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I mean, I just feel like, you know, Oliver, Jamie, Romy are just the homies, man. That's your crew. >> Amazing. All of them. >> That's your crew.
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And >> I'm so lucky to know them.
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>> Well, we're all lucky to know you. And um Oh, man.
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I'm so happy to see you, man. Dare I say almost.
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Gosh, I'm getting a bit emotional.
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I haven't seen you for so long. >> It's been a while. >> It's been a while.
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>> Was it in London last time? Maybe.
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>> It was in London briefly.
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And we also did a conversation when we just not long after we launched Apple Music Radio and you came and hung out and um >> early on. >> Yeah.
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and we've been sort of as fans been just following you wherever you go ever since.
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And it's great that that you've been able to stop by here live on radio and say hi to us.
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So Robin, >> I'm so happy to [applause] be here. Thank you.
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I >> mean, let's just keep it very much about the moment.
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Um we're hours, not even days.
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We're hours um after you know you returned with new music and shared it with the world.
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So we all have impressions and feelings.
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Um but >> how do you feel?
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[laughter] >> How do I feel? I go second.
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You got to tell us how you feel because this has been a moment I'm sure you've been building up to for some time and it's it's just very different when you let it go. >> No, you're right.
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I feel I feel different this time.
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I'm lucky enough to have this amazing audience that always supports me.
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But um it feels different this time and I think it's because of the people I work with who are doing such an amazing job and I've I've been able to give them this all this goodwill that I have and make some new music and um I'm just thankful to feel inspired.
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>> Oh well said because yeah because we assume that happens all the time but you can't force it, right?
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>> No, it's so it's so precious. So I feel inspired.
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I feel um lucky and like happy to not give a >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, and I think um and then you asked me and I want to honor your question.
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You asked me how I feel and I I think I can speak for everybody who's been waiting for this moment.
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I feel very um is satiated the right word?
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Is it when when you're full up?
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I feel very full up already.
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Like you gave me the ultimate Robin return.
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um you know uh just just the way that you write over this arrangement and you let the emotional touch points you meet them there >> and you and you honor each other.
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It's not like you're trying to drag the song somewhere.
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It's like no, there's just moments as you're on this journey where you meet with the arrangement and with the musicality of it.
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It's just I think you know every every element from you to the music knows itself and each other really well. >> Yeah. No, thank you so much. You you hit the spot.
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That's what I want to hear. >> Amazing. >> No.
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Um, so this is the beginning of of a new era.
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I love the idea of point0's in people's lives where they decide, you know what, it's not going to be consistent.
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I'm going to take some time away.
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When I come back, it'll be who I am today >> versus a continuation of who I was in 2018 or or the years that followed.
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>> So, how have you changed?
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How has life changed for you since you released the record last time?
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I think the the upside maybe of taking my time, which I usually do, >> is that I work through the initial feeling or wanting to just react to the last project?
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>> Um, >> do you do that creatively?
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Do you make music in reaction that to some degree, even subconsciously or partly, you know, is serving a purpose but may not see the light of day? >> Yeah. Yeah.
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I I I make music all the time, but the I mean this song was written like 10 years ago and uh me and Claus have just been working on it and marinated it and tried so many versions of it.
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Um, and I think when you work through those initial thoughts, like you get to a a place and I feel like a place that is still very, you know, true with what I've done before, but there is this other quality of freedom now that I have like also in the way that I'm singing, but also with my long-standing relationship with Claus, where we're able to kind of just tap into the emotion now >> and not um worry so much.
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is really an amazing place to make music from.
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So >> your good friend Class who came out and gave us all a gift and I wondered how you felt about that [laughter] these pesky podcasts.
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I mean it was just beautiful.
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You know here's your friend just like well I don't know if anybody knows this but there's new Robin coming probably >> you didn't know >> probably just thought that he was just like letting a friend know off off I didn't realize the whole world was going to pick up with that and run with it.
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Well, I can't confirm anything, [laughter] but uh >> so funny.
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>> Claus Claus is excited and there's >> No, it's happening. It's happening. That's what I can say. Yeah. >> Well said. Class is excited.
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I mean, how can you be mad at your friends when they're excited?
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[laughter] >> No, he he was very um he was very regretful.
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He was like, I can't believe I did that. Yeah. >> So blessed.
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I mean, I've definitely done it.
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I've definitely forgotten I was on the record and said things and after the fact asked for forgiveness, you know what I mean?
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But but you do, [laughter] you know, you look back on those moments and you do realize the intention was pure. >> Yeah.
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And he didn't think anyone would listen.
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You know, why would they listen to him?
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[laughter] >> It's such a disrespect to say things from I love that >> people will listen to him, but people will are really listening out for you.
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So, [laughter] so you could have a person in the street just say randomly there's new music from Robin coming and everyone's going to be like, "Do you hear that?"
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And the web will spread really fast. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's true. He He was very excited. Still is. Still is.
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>> Of course, because it sounds you can hear it in dopamine how much fun you're having again.
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And um this idea of honoring your relationships and your friendships in an industry where there's always encouragement to search for new with new.
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And I wondered about like whether that you ever feel that that that sort of instinct to want to try different things or even have and what brings you back to the people that know you best.
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>> Well, this time it was like I couldn't go anywhere cuz it was the pandemic >> and I was really excited to kind of like try new things and I was questing for like how to realize this thing I was I wanted to do.
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But I I was kept in Sweden.
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I I wrote a lot of music in Sweden and then um me and Clauss um got back into the studio together and I think our relationship I think what what what benefits the people who listen to my music >> and I don't think people know this is that you know because we've basically done the work that a lot of couples don't even do like we've been in in like partner therapy for like 20 years. >> Amazing.
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Not not really, but you know the way that we're working and also I think you know he has his very specific perspective and so does so do I >> and it's some kind of like challenging like feminine masculine conversation about um [snorts] very existential subjects.
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We're both like passionate.
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we've both been, you know, uh, really scared to get hurt by love and we found each other in this place where we're like, we keep writing about these things.
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Um, and I just think that that relationship and the way that it works is is really what makes the music we make together special.
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And I I think I don't want to, you know, say that I'll never work with other people.
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I think it's great to work with other people, but but I think the quality that happens within a relationship like that >> is that when you keep working, you get this benefit of both falling in love again with the person you you really admire so much, >> but also you have this experience of like you don't have to pretend or act in any kind of way with each other because you know each other so well.
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>> You know, you're describing marriage, right?
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You're describing marriage. >> Yeah. >> A healthy marriage. >> Yeah. A healthy relationship. >> Yes. Exactly.
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It's not call it what it is, but yeah, you that's what you're describing is like this idea that that the harder you work for something, the more rewarding it is.
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>> Is that where the uncomfortable the comfort uncomfortability sits?
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Because I you know, I can imagine that's important to you as well as being in a room with someone that understands you very well.
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You're also searching for those places you haven't been before. >> Exactly.
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So, a lot of times when you work together that maybe that stops happening like you know each other so well, you kind of know what the other person going to say.
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you also like an old marriage.
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You're like, "Oh, I know exactly what you're thinking."
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>> And and but we got past that which was so good and and I didn't know if we would be able to, but that's why um that's why this happened.
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And I think also a lot of people, you know, when you say you make music, when I tell people who don't know what I do, they're like, "What do you do? I make music."
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And then they're like, "Oh, that must be so fun."
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And I'm like, "No, it's actually not fun."
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And like there are moments of pure joy, but the process is very hard and like challenging and it's like it's almost like a longevity sport.
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Like the person who can be uncomfortable the longest will write the best song, you know?
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So, you kind of need to work with the person that is okay with having anxiety together with you for like 10 hours in a studio.
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>> I don't want to freak you out.
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Normally [laughter] I don't warn people about this, but when someone drops a truth bomb like that, they get the truth bomb.
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Like the longevity sport of being a musician is just like, "Oh my god, Robin, that's so bang on the money."
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And I think this Brian Eno talks about this this kind of idea of um eternal play time.
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And when you when you become a musician or a creative, you're searching to extend your play time, which is what you learn as a kid.
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Um but it not being the the sum total of it all that people get obsessed with the playtime of art and ignore the work that's required to do the art. Exactly. >> Yeah.
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>> I think I mean I'm not saying that I know what he knew, but David Bowie said that.
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That's that classic thing, you know, when you feel comfortable like >> go a little bit further.
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Like that's where you'll >> find the good stuff.
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>> I love that he said that and every now and then that clip comes across my algorithm and I hate that he said that cuz I realize I'm not and I'm telling me something that I need to acknowledge in myself which is what all the greats do.
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Um I'm so happy you're here.
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Thank you to the team for bringing you in.
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>> I'm so happy to be here.
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>> You've made this song that um has all of the tempo and all of the feeling I want when I'm on the dance floor, but I don't feel like I'm being panded to sometimes like like like like a like a record can just like, oh, I'm going to press your buttons.
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It's like this is super interesting and sonically perfect. >> Oh, thank you. >> So perfect.
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>> I feel the same way after hearing it in here.
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And I think no, it really is a testament to Claus's amazing um skill.
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Um but I think we we wanted we wanted this to sound really dry and it gives the illusion like there is some room on the voice and that kind of brings all the other sounds sometimes with it, but basically everything else is like super dry.
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That's why I love the breakdown so much because that really gentle ar that's just tucked away and your vocal is just so present.
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It's like you're right in front of me. >> Yes. Reverb is overrated. I think >> boom. >> I think so. >> I agree. Yeah.
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>> It's one of those things I think you should play around with if I need to take off totally >> where it's unnecessary because when you when you're dry and this sounds good like you have so much frequency to play with.
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It's so I'm blown away by this room. [laughter] It's sick.
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room. [laughter] It's sick. Um, no, but and also I think with like we said before that when we spoke before that we aired the the baseline is like you know the kind of thing that I did on Dancing on my own and Call Your Girlfriend and stuff and and when we started working on
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this song we were like >> you know we can't fake it or like do something we did before like it really is about building it from the ground up again >> and it has to feel real and has to feel honest and like intentional and like you know that whoever is listening that you know they deserve to feel feel it. >> We do. We do. >> We do. We do.
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>> So I'm happy you feel that way. >> Oh, very much so.
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And I know everyone I I you know I listen to it in a room with people and and it's like everyone does the same thing.
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We all respond the same way and I think that's because you know just to be super nerdy about it but um >> No, for sure. Yeah. Happens all the time.
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[laughter] So the sound is great but we need to fix our headphone jacks.
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That's where we ran out of money.
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But uh no, it's it's every single element on the song is showing up at the right time and is playing their role.
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That's why I was saying everything knows itself or knows each other really well.
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Like even the moments when the snare kicks in and it pounds you a couple of times, >> it doesn't it doesn't overstay.
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It just comes in and emphasizes where it needs to and just checks out. >> Yes.
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I think that craft work thing like don't ever put the sounds in the same space like let them have their own space. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And um well it was written you know with Taio and and Claus and me >> um and I think we finished it in Stockholm and we started writing these verses and Claus was like just do your Marvin Gay channeling and we and then we
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had this moment where I was like trying to trying to channel Marvin Gay on the floor like lying down on the on the carpet singing with my eyes closed and then these things started happening and it was more like an adlib thing that we
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then kind of re reworked into a verse which I think is so is so good that these verses are just kind of like speaking >> it's super conversational >> and then this course comes that you know just holds you >> um >> and you know the the the thought behind
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the the the theme of the song you wrote it 10 years ago >> when I hear it >> I really align it to something that's you know uniquely human this idea of having a dopamine rush >> this this you know kind of the reason we're Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> This idea of like something happening in your life, it just gives you purpose for a second and it comes from somewhere you don't understand and it's where the magic lives.
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>> Um, you know, there's this conversation being kicked around by now right now from a few areas.
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We're involved at Apple from something we created that that goes on Apple TV Plus that people are pretty obsessed with because it was done by hand. It wasn't AIdriven.
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It wasn't overly designed in that way, but it looks that way.
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>> Roselia's new album coming out of course being completely off the grid.
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We did a conversation with her and others.
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this idea of aggressively human, this idea of what humanity is, is that on your mind? >> I mean, for sure.
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Um, this song, you can think that it's about love, but it's really about cheese and how I feel for cheese. No, I'm just kidding.
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[laughter] >> That would be I would drop one for that.
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But, by the way, I have definitely had a dopamine rush eating a apple wood smoked cheddar. >> You know what I mean?
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Like, the feeling can come from anywhere.
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But I think we're we're really >> By the way, UK crowd loved that one because it's the only place in the world you get a strong Applewood smoked cheddar. Am I wrong?
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I mean, I once got given half a wheel of applewood smoked cheddar for Christmas and it was the best gift I got.
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>> No, cheese is un also very underrated, I think.
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But um No, but it's it's it's uh funny how like we we want to feel in control, but we're really just like blobs.
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>> Why do we want to feel so badly?
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Is it just >> on a rock that's spinning around in space and like the illusion of control is so fragile? >> Yeah.
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>> So, I think that's what dopamine is, right?
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Like it takes over and it >> gives you this like amazing feeling, but it's not something you can control where it comes from.
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I mean, you can with substances in a way, but it's that's the thing like that's where it's that's where it lands, right?
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Yeah, >> it's the system in the brain that is wired to keep you motivated and it takes you really into really weird situations like in love as well, which I think is such a a big drug for so many people, me included.
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And um I don't know, it's it's it's funny because we're also in this society now that just kind of dopamine is so in every part of our daily lives, right?
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It's it's interesting, but it's also this thing I think maybe it also talks about, you know, how we we're afraid of that now, which we shouldn't be.
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that now, which we shouldn't be. We shouldn't be afraid about of love, you You know, I think a lot of also younger kids, you know, like you're on social media, you want to stay away from the things that are >> that are going to hurt you or that are going to be bad for your health or, you
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know, but there's there's also a part of life that is like when you get to the end, like you want to make sure you lived and you had those experiences and when you're in it, you there is this com combination of like it being so physical, but also this existential part of you where it's like, what is this really good for me? Is it where I'm
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Is it where I'm supposed to be?
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And I guess just being in that moment. That's what the song is.
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Just not analyzing it too much.
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Just letting it kind of happen.
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>> I mean, it speaks so much to what you've achieved over the course of your of your creative life.
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I mean, you know, I said on the air, I'll say it to you now in person. I'd be honored to.
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You know, I went to the Palladium show >> a few years back.
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Um, and uh, it's in my top five live shows of my life.
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>> And to to to be able to add a new show to a list that really should have closed 10 years ago, you know, you get to a point in your life, it's like nothing's going to be Radio Hood 97.
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>> But, you know, it it does it's like it was just incredible.
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I loved how it took you 10 minutes >> to come out and you cuz to me what it felt like >> it felt like you were giving us all a chance to find our space.
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Is that was that the purpose? >> No, that's so right.
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I'm glad it felt that way.
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>> Yeah, >> it was so that that whole album was about that like just letting go of um like a normal song structure and like something that you can experience in a club.
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I think >> that's where I learned how to do that.
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>> It must have been great being backstage and or side of stage getting ready to go on and watching everyone go from this traditional environment of facing the stage >> and it being about what you're going to do when you go on the stage.
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And after 5 minutes, everybody started looking at each other and then it just turned and people started putting their heads down and people started looking in different directions.
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>> And it wasn't and it it was only when you wore back on, everyone was like, "Oh, it's a concert."
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Like I really thought for a second there it was a club. >> Yeah.
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No, I'm so happy you say that.
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That really took me back now exactly to what I was thinking when we put that show together because I really wanted people to kind of like you're saying like turn inwards >> first >> and then like be together. >> Yeah.
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So that makes me super happy. I forgot about that.
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Oh, >> but yeah, it was a long intro. >> It was spectacular.
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[laughter] It was such a spectacular show.
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Just so beautifully done and so tasteful. And um >> Thank you.
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>> So when it comes to applying yourself to to new music, I want to go back a little bit to pick up where we where we were when you talked a little bit about kind of airing out the reaction music, >> kind of reacting to what you've done before and recognizing that it's going to serve its role, but it's not going to be the thing that takes you into new territory. >> Yeah.
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What does it feel like, if you could put it into words, when you realize that you're in the clear and that there's free space ahead of you and you're not beholden to something you've done before?
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>> Oh god, that's a really good question.
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And I don't want to say too much like it makes me want to talk about things I'm not supposed to talk to you about yet, but this um >> that's my [clears throat] job.
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>> I know you're really good at it.
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[laughter] >> I got your back.
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I got your back if you start to cross the line. Hey, just Yeah.
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>> Plus, everybody frantically went to their phone when I asked that question and started texting behind you immediately.
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>> No, but I think there was Okay, let's talk about this this song.
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So, also with Dope, I mean, since it was written 10 years ago, there were there were many versions of it, many ideas of how it was going to be realized.
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>> And there were moments where I felt like me and Clauss were like like too nostalgic. I hate nostalgia.
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It's like not a good place to be, I think.
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Um, >> can I can I jump in there with just a quick follow-up question, but without hopefully you don't lose your train of thought.
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Is that in life or just in the arts, do you allow yourself any nostalgia in your life at all or is it generally a no-go?
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>> Um, I can allow myself nostalgia definitely for things that I love and then I feelings and and other people's music and, you know, memories and friends and stuff like that. Of course. Yeah. That's a part of life.
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and and and also way to be thankful for the things that that are amazing.
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But I think in in music it's it's a it's very it's lethal.
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Like it's it's a really bad place and and and I think we we were in, you know, you have to go through all the bad versions first and then there's some nostalgia and then there was like a place where I'm like I don't even know what this is.
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Like I have what are we doing?
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Like this is I can't I can't describe it.
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And that's where it kind of started to take shape, you know?
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So like we pushed past that place into something that felt [gasps] um very artificial in one way because the production is is so almost plastic but very warm, very dry, very like the the voice got a lot of space and we we just pushed through to this other place and I don't even know what it you know if it's pop music for sure, but I think it's it's based on just really finding like a tantric place to be honest.
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Like a place where there's like tantric energy and where you don't tell everything.
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You know, the the the trick is to >> protect the feeling.
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>> To protect the feeling. Exactly.
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and to to point out all the things around the thing that you want to say, >> but to do it in a place where people feel comfortable and they know what it is, but >> you're letting something else kind of like lead the way.
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>> That's why it's emotional for all of us because you allow us to connect to the emotion of the music without spelling it out.
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>> How is it for you to create? Do you get emotional?
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There moments when you're making a song, like dopamine, when you're in process, you're listening back to it and you become overwhelmed like we do. >> Yeah, definitely.
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And but those moments h happen a lot like when I'm when I get the ideas, you know, cuz they come from somewhere >> that I don't know what it is and they land sometimes in your lap and you're like, "Oh, I don't want to write about that."
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You know, I don't want to go there or >> I don't There's David Bowie in your ear like, "Come on, you better do it. You better do it." >> Yeah. Exactly.
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[snorts] >> Um but then yeah, the process is I mean I wouldn't say it's boring.
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It's amazing, but it's it's painful.
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It's um a lot of like, you know, killing your darlings and like being like painfully honest with each other about what's good and bad and and real and honest and yeah.
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So, >> but I love that part of it. I love to rehearse. I love to write songs.
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I love to just knuckle it out.
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You've spent the last few years post tour and before dopamine in playtime it feels like running around having a good time jumping up on stages cuz >> Yeah.
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>> and jumping in studios cuz you like the person and it's a good vibe. >> Yeah.
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And I've been lucky enough to, you know, have amazing people ask me to come.
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Like when Charlie asked to come to London and and I was, you know, asked to do dancing on my own in their set, I was just like, "You're crazy.
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Of course, I'll do that."
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And I didn't think it would work. And then >> Oh, yeah.
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>> It it was like the best audience ever.
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And and with Jamie, of course, the song we did.
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And I'm just lucky to have people >> good people ask me to do stuff.
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when you sort of step into somebody else's space >> and you and you and you it's additive.
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>> It's like it's like, okay, whatever you would like me to be, I'm more than happy to bring my do my best to be my best. >> Yeah.
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>> But it it takes, I'd imagine, a certain amount of that sort of um real uncomfortability of trying to figure out who you are in the moment to to be Robin next. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah.
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You mean when I collaborate like that? Yeah.
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I I think collaboration is is is amazing that s like in that sense it's amazing to make music and to have to talk about what you do and have to [clears throat] like make things that are real and honest for other people because it keeps you on your toes all the time and collaboration does that as well.
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Like when when I worked with Jamie, you know, it was such an amazing track and and >> it would have been easy to just like make a course all over that kind of riff and and I just >> it took a while to figure it out.
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I just wanted to make something that honored this amazing thing that he made and and we we really worked on it for a long time.
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It wasn't easy, but it's it's those things that are so beautiful when you're able to also like have that time with somebody that you really respect and you're like honest with each other and you push through.
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It's like one of the most beautiful things ever. >> 100%.
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I am having the greatest morning.
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I woke up this morning and this the the rain, I'm sure you feel it, is descending upon LA in biblical fashion. >> Yes.
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>> And uh I'm all for seasons, but it hit me really hard today.
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I was like, "Oh man, it got inside my spirit today."
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And um then I came and I played dopamine, had a sip of coffee, and I was like, "I'm good." >> Okay, cool.
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>> And now we're here having this conversation, and it's like a whole different experience.
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So, thank you for coming in.
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You such an amazing >> Thank you. Thank you.
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It's so lovely to be here.
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Thank you for making me come. It's super nice.
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Well, I mean, I'm hoping that um we're going to see more of you as as things progress.
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Um there's an inevitable nudge coming in the next couple of minutes for you to be able to prepare for and you can I'm sure you've got some kind of like answer for the question.
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Well, it won't even be a question. That would be too bold.
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But there'll be a nudge about what 2026 has in store for you. That's a warning.
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Uh [laughter] but but in the but but in the meantime in the meantime um where do you find yourself without being too personal um in life in relation to the music that you've made and and what I hear coming out of the speakers and the person I see sitting in front of me who's probably been searching for answers like all of us your whole life and will continue to uh what have you where are you today?
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Where do you stand today in your life in terms of what you love about about about what you've built for yourself your life?
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[sighs and gasps] M well I mean like everyone I had such a different experience during the pandemic than what I'm like used to.
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I wasn't able to travel and everything that I was expecting to do.
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I couldn't and I decided to have a baby and and uh make an album and then I had the baby and I couldn't um couldn't make it.
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I shouldn't have said that. >> No no no.
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But yeah, so but you didn't at that time.
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>> I had to go back and like open everything up again after a few years.
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And >> yeah, >> so it's been it's been a really amazing like chill time for me.
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I was able to build a a beautiful home life >> and um see all my friends and my parents and >> just be very very still and and um come back to music in this really inspired way.
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It must have put things into a really lovely context for you because I feel like the kind of life you'd had maybe up to that point we all had some ownership over in a strange way because of the music and what it means to us and who you were as a young person moving into this industry.
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Was that the moment in a strange way where you were able to break that spell and think about life in a different way? >> I think I always did.
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I think I always I always appreciated my home life.
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I always moved back to Sweden.
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And I never I never stayed, you know, abroad.
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I just always wanted to come back home.
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But it's hard when you when you have like people who want you to do stuff and it's for me it's always hard to say no.
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So it was an amazing time to just um ground myself properly. >> Yeah.
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>> Well, in the interests of staying present, which I feel like as a species we should be pretty focused on right now.
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Um >> there's a lot to think about >> though.
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But I feel we could have done better. >> Yeah.
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>> And a lot to worry about that is yet to occur.
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>> And so for me, I sort of think more than ever, we need to find music and art and people around us that inspire us to be right here >> in this moment. >> Yeah.
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>> You've given us a song that encourages us to do that. >> Thank you. >> Most certainly.
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[snorts] >> Ah, that's good to hear. And I agree. I really agree with you.
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Like you have to find joy in this present time to be able to tackle whatever is coming. Right.
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>> Joy is an act of resistance as a great band says >> I think so.
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>> You have been so generous and with uh your time and overly generous with your information under duress.
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Uh there was a a request for me to ask for a hint of something to look forward to, but I think you've given us more than you already. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no secrets left.
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>> There's no more secrets left.
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uh we're going to take dopamine and hold on to it for the future uh and whatever happens.
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And I just want to say thank you, Robin.
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Like truly one of my favorite artists of all time.
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And uh I'm so glad you're back.
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I'm so glad we get to hang out here.
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We're going three times around.
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It's >> so happy to be here.