now guess Renee rappers everybody [Music] thank you for joining us thank you for making an incredible debut album thank you for giving us so much joy so many things to listen to sing along to think about on this record and we like PD we like that song we talked a little bit
about the 90s feel to it how it had that kind of like loaf like loping slacker that's what I'm trying not really trying thing and there's definitely a couple of moments in particular I'll talk too much right for like the 90s kind of shows up a little bit on the album is that fair to say 100 it's fair it's a great
compliment I'll take it well you you were born at the turn of the Millennium literally like January 2000 so your parents would have been celebrating a millennium baby for sure um but that decade when did it even does it even resonate with you when did you even think about what happened in the 10
years prior to your birth oh my God I don't it didn't happen it didn't happen no I was supposed to be born in the 90s I was supposed to be born in December 99 and then I just was overcooked and came out in January you were late yeah super and ugly super bad I mean how do you find out you're an ugly but your parents have to
tell you you're an ugly baby no no well yeah they did they said I was like red babies aren't supposed to come out looking fabulous I know except for the to the two people who have them I know oh yeah no it was it was tough it was tough but no then I was just born in January and so now I only identify with
being born in 2000 there's a big personality trait of mine it's a big personality I try to use just pure Millennial energy yeah and what is that well I'm just like oh sorry I'm young like it's just my whole thing like somebody's like when were you born in like 2000 I'm like yeah sorry yeah kind of young and I'm refusing to grow up and
that's your problem is your problem and not my problem sorry I'm such a cute little baby petite little girl I know and then you write a song like 23 which is so desperate to be taken seriously yes correct this is the contradiction of this album is so awesome I mean the first song is like man I'm so OCD I'm
gonna this up straight away and then the second song is just like why won't you love me and I'm this lovable person and I just love the fact that you're constantly veering from hardly After High right in terms of your emotions dang when did you realize that you'd kind of like you know vomited that
I've always I've always been like that yeah I've always been like that and it used to be something that I really hated about myself I was so insecure about it um now it's something that I love and I feel like it's what like motivates me to write songs in my music so now it's something I love you I think you it
feels to me like you really move with the mood that you're in 100 and they but whoever you're in the room with however you feel you're just gonna try and get to the center of that honesty as much as possible um and you worked with a pretty core group of people Justin trying to who we love Alexander 23 who we love
um there's some really amazing people who show up I'm just naming a couple out of the five or six who regularly show up so what's a co-writing session with you like how would they describe it oh my god well if you ask Justin I think they would say like they would just be like it's just the
two of us and like Skyler and Alexander just like geekying and having fun the whole time and then if you ask like Alexander it's like me like freaking out and like screaming and be like and then crying and him being like damn I gotta hold Renee again make sure she's okay to cut this vocal yeah otherwise we'll
never get it yeah so with us it's more like a like a sibling kind of like to sort of fight with everybody else I have fun Alexander gives a much more authentic version of myself I want to about the idea of music yeah and the fact that you've sort of come around to it it feels like in a weird way like it
you know you had to well you did other things that you love to do but then ultimately I feel like you found your place here with this oh 100 I feel like the most myself I've like ever felt but I always knew that this was going to feel like that it's A Hard Road music you know it's interesting that you come
to this conclusion because it's a tough road it's not I love it right it's nasty you have to yeah it's just I could get burned or like over so many times in this business and I genuinely don't care in any other business it pisses me off and makes me so angry and I will make an
enemy but here I'm like that's okay isn't it because to some degree at the end of the day people can piss you off get around all they want but you kind of ultimately allow yourself the ability to control your own destiny whereas absolutely and the other areas unless you're literally starting a production
company directing writing or whatever you're still answering to somebody Beyond probably five people who are 70 plus and live in Idaho yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly you're probably never going to meet half of them and then in this situation everyone can turn their back and say hey look we don't believe in you
but if you've got a microphone and an instrument and a collaborator or not you're good how do you feel when you when you finish the song does it does it change your kind of molecular structure in terms of how you feel about yourself oh my God Beyond if I write a good song or what I
perceive is a good song I'm having an amazing day and if I write something that I feel like is bad I'm I'm a terrible songwriter and I'll never write another song again it is so extreme kind of live or die it sucks yeah but I love it it's such a little drug who's the first person you play your songs to if
there's a regular oh well I mean Alexander honestly hears everything but obviously but even even stuff that like I'll write on my own I'll play for him do you feel like you found an Alexander um a lifelong collaborator somebody that you'll always even if not on every project you'll always eventually you
know come back around to us yeah Beyond yeah we're we're stuck together so what is the about him and you that what what is the chemistry is it is it what is the can you describe the indefinable he's he listens to me he's like passively listens to me like he's really interested in what I have to
say musically and I feel like for a lot of women or like non-men in music that's very hard to come by especially when you're working with a producer um or just anybody um and I really feel like he respects me as a as a musician and also as he as a young performer as someone who found your way into the entertainment industry
um at a young age I'd imagine that's a trigger for you if people try to dismiss your opinion or your ideas oh I I have dealt with that so much the girls love to do that to me um by the girls I mean some girls but um but yeah absolutely I get very tired of that now I have a very short fuse
when it comes to that I've had enough yeah there were times before you got to that that point where you had the resolve to stand up for your own thoughts and your own Vision your own ideas and you probably didn't have the courage or confidence to do that is that hell absolutely yeah oh my God it's the
worst it's the worst it's it also like for a long time I like really like beat myself up about it like I wish I would have spoken up about things that happened to me when I was younger in certain workplaces XYZ well that's a beautiful anxiety point though right because you can't go change that again
so what you can do is relive it at a time when you can't change the outcome yes exactly and so that's just something that is always on my mind but you know give or take whatever yeah for sure do you do the therapy you do the work yeah so I did do therapy for a while and then I kind of just stopped and I need to do
it again I keep getting different referrals and just not following through I'm not going to scheduling things right I get stressed about that what big is being scheduled been put into things yeah into boxes no being scheduled like on my calendar like right if anything happens that's I just it's gonna get bumped out
or it's gonna move you know yeah I can't do I can't do that but I have to go to therapy for sure so how much of this do you think at this point in your life when you look back and this is not to try to create any shade environment because family units are unique into themselves but how much of this life do
you think was your was your parents recognizing your ability or you recognizing your parents desire for you to achieve great things like do you know what I mean the the part that I think is my parents is them telling me to do everything and never miss an opportunity because somebody else will absolutely
take it which in another way is like yes but also do we really need to like chronically work ourselves um but that's just a philosophy that they had um but the all the other stuff is just genuinely me and I have no idea why I still have no idea it's just been exactly what I was gonna do your whole
life yeah there's no questions felt it and knew it I don't even have a reasoning love that which is it love that um what were you what was the music that really kind of grabbed you as a kid and made and really split a fire as a kid it was it was it came different from my mom and for my dad uh the one thing I
never did was listen to pop music yeah and now all I do is make pop music well it's yeah but you do I'm gonna hold that thought you do but yeah it's it's a it's ambitious pop music like thing I wouldn't say that I hate Boston is a classic pop song it sounds almost structure and quarterly to me like an
Elton John song okay that's a great I love that I love that because it does the same chord in the chorus that's why you end it I'm like oh man so EJ's on this one right he is my favorite that's my favorite chord I try to put it in every song and Alexander's like you can't have the same chord structure in
every chorus and like but you don't understand it feels like crack yeah it feels so good yes it is that is exactly I love that but yes my mom was all like singer singers and like a lot of like r b and Hip-Hop so I had like for my mom I had like like people like obviously like I had like Beyonce and
read the Jasmine Sullivan um Brandy stuff like that and then also like the Gap Band my mom was really with it and has incredible taste in music what's your mom's name Denise shout out to Denise shout out to Denise yeah their house yeah she had me she had like the best taste in music it was all just
like SWV and stuff it was awesome she's this she is the yeah um and then my dad had like the like opposite side but like I think just as credible in a different way where it was like journey and like yes and like wow things like that like 80s Progressive big FM records 100 like Ted Nugent like things that are like
really aggressive and then also like heart um when you listen back to the album other are there moments that you're particularly proud of and or particularly aware of the vulnerability that you had to put on display there because I hear a bunch yeah I am very very very very very very proud of poison
poison yeah I love poison poison yeah it's quite a rant to the end man you go off very much very much um it is it's something that like I I think like a lot of times at least this is how I'm perceiving the situation so I could be wrong whatever everyone is allowed their own take on this but like
just because I put something in a song that is my feeling doesn't mean that I'm like proud of that feeling and I think that's how you should feel like I'm not making a song to be like by the way this is the Bible and this is how you should feel sometimes you just have to acknowledge the ugly absolutely and also
that's a very real feeling like I I've never met somebody in my life who has not been like oh yeah if they're a girl or not a man specifically so you understand like misogyny and that experience in a very different way who like when a girl goes behind your back and sells you out to a bunch of men and
starts lying on you you can't tell me that wouldn't piss you off and you wouldn't be like damn I'm really trying to be your friend and you are going behind my back and like weaponizing me being a girl against me like you so what you're saying in in in a reactive way to your own emotion
and feeling on that song is don't take that song as a reason to go to school or college or work and be mean to someone for the sake of it because I've given you an Anthem that makes you smile off or thinks that it's motivation for you it actually comes from a real place for you and isn't necessarily something
you're proud to share exactly it's like just validating that feeling love that yeah did it really well too thanks that's cool thanks you're poisoned a poison the way when you came up with that I was in New Jersey I was there of course you were I was in Jersey I I was living there for two years I was gonna say yeah
Jersey right I was in Jersey I was in Jersey and I was with Justin trantor and Skyler and Alexander and they had flown out to come and like kind of camp out with me in the studio while I was working on a job and um yeah we wrote poison poison I tried to write that song so many different times and in different
ways and every single time it just came off not as like realist as I wanted to it came off yeah it came off more that like I was hurt and I'd actually been so hurt by this situation and by this girl that I was ready to share her yeah I was like no no you're not getting that like you've actually you have traumatized me enough
sister you're getting you're you now you're getting how I feel like sharp end of the stick you know lyrics like that don't come along very often where it's just this completely unshicked brutality the idea of being that scorned that upset that you're willing to hold their daughter accountable for their
behavior because it's in the it's just in the DNA it's in the bloodline a couple of monsters like her parents were to me I mean two in a row Renee rad that is an all-time Beast of a song thanks I mean what do you when you write that line when you listen back to it and it's realized and it's in structural form
there must be a moment when I don't know will you tell me how you feel sure it came because I wrote down just in my notes so my tummy hurts he's in love with her because I thought it was like so like childlike and like innocent and my tummy hurts and then like he's in love with her it's just
like very like adult thing that you experience later in life is seeing somebody that you were once in love with you would never say the two lines back to back if you're a kid and go my tummy hurts over a boy in school you never go he's in love with her it's too intense exactly so I liked how extreme both of
them sounded together um and how innocent and aggressive it was at the same time so the whole rest of the song is the same thing it's like you're innocence from then like y'all will have kids and like likely you're gonna them up just as much as y'all's parents chew up because I know I
don't like your parents but that concept is intense in itself to even think that thought through to its completion let alone to be able to make a song out of it that's what blows my mind like if you were in conversation with someone you're like he put me over he's with this woman right now and one day they're gonna have
a kid and I and I bet you that kid's gonna get over just like I got whatever I mean I'd be in conversation going whoa slow down this is intense like yeah and then to turn it into a song you must be proud of that song very proud I also like I like the verses in that song yeah yeah I like the verses a
lot because I had this ax who just like missed out on rent for a couple months and I was like I I get it that you're broke and that's cool and I'm not like dogging you for that but at the same time you do have money to buy weeds so like what you're still smoking it's really happening you're still spoken
yeah yeah the album finishes with a song called 23 and you if you've gone through this complex relationship with Renee's in her thoughts and feelings you come to the end and realize that you're as vulnerable and scared about how people feel about you as anyone else's and that's a really tough age because it
ain't 21. yay yeah and it ain't 25. oh yeah it's like yeah it's just like in the middle yeah 23 was that yeah um is that I'm assuming because you're an honest human that's how you genuinely felt when you turned 23 when you wrote that song oh my God we wrote that song the day before my birthday we were
January 9th of this year and I was just like so gutted I just felt gross and weird and like what was going on in your life at that time um I was in a new relationship like very fresh very new like a weekend two weeks in and I had just come off of tour or like doing shows last year and I was starting my
album and I was meeting new producers and co-writers and it was like the first song that like Alexander and I did together and um I just was like I really want to write this and my main goal honestly was like to have not every song that I wrote be a ballad and so I was trying really hard not to and then it just felt really
good in the place that it's at um but yeah I just felt so funny before my birthday it was just it was just weird my birthday is kind of weird for you anyway honestly like no like I typically I used to love it I used to love it I mean it would stress me out don't get me wrong but like it was like
normal stress now it's weird just because I feel uncomfortable with the like praise that comes around birthdays I wondered about this and this is what I was getting at I probably didn't phrase it in the way I wanted to before but the idea of love [Music] being projected and I use that word very
carefully you it's not like there's mutual love going on all the time A lot of times it's like we love you it's like it's like Neil Young said wait you get to know me first yeah I mean there's a bit of that isn't it there's a little bit of disbelief in all of that kind of trade it's weird because
it's not it's it's honestly more so with like everyone who's close to me in my life who we actually do mutually love each other I get really uncomfortable on my birthday when everybody's like oh my God we love you I'm like I feel like you have to be with me because you know it's
my birthday and I feel like this is a requirement wow that's exactly how I felt three weeks ago until the day arrived and everyone was genuinely happy to be there yeah I don't do parties I've done two parties in my life one was 25 and one was 25 years later oh and fire yeah and the reason why it was wasn't by
Design just how it turned out and I always put it off and I realized it's because I have mad abandonment issues and so the idea of holding a party and inviting people to come through was just terrifying to me oh my God we had an album release party like a week ago and I've never been more stressed in my life
yeah now you don't have to worry about it you just control the potty I couldn't I couldn't even I just felt scared gotta find that therapist yeah I know yeah I know you're doing good though dude thanks this album is just Stunna thanks man start to finish great to meet you great to hear you thank you yeah [Music]