like nine songs are not it what the hell like how do you make a song about a person that's so happy that nothing can bring them down and I sarcastically answered it and put music to it and that sarcasm became the song so excited to be able to sit here and have a conversation with you stretch out into this remarkable achievement this film Peace by piece so beautiful
true collaboration absolutely you you hope for that every time that you get into a room with an artist that it will feel like a collaboration and I'm sure some take take longer and a harder work to get there than others but this just felt like you guys through creativity and openness land into this place where you needed each other to do this the thing that was different than say a
normal documentary is you know normally somebody shares their story with you and then you figure out how to tell it which which I did but then I showed it back to farel and then he started writing songs based on my view of his story and then it became this kind of circular conversation creatively then about you know the entire film so it did become collaborative in a way that it normally
isn't P why do a documentary now at this point in your life I didn't want to yeah yeah but my agent was so persistent so persistent and uh but then he said the magic words that just made me look at the Opportunity Way differently which was you can do it whatever way you want it yeah it's a creative exercise not a refle exercise yeah and it was like oh
okay yeah and that was that was brilliantly put by the way just now it's creative not not as reflective and it was like okay well if we do that we we had a discussion about Morgan who I always thought was just great at what it is that he does and then he had just done Mr Rogers you know the won't you be my neighbor and I was like man if that guy tells my story it'll be insane and
that was from an audio perspective and the storytelling perspective but if we could just clad it with Lego the whole thing I could be even now it sounds so wildly creative and out of the box even though I've watched it and I know it works when you said it like that I me my instinct was to go you can't do that yeah yeah I think a lot of people said
that yeah yeah cuz I mean imagine how do you think you does it even sound possible that you could ever be black and tan and wake up in a Lego Land no but yeah you can Morgan said yes Lego said yes focus picture said yes you know Universal and Donal langly said yes and you know this movie is the sum of all a lot of yeses you know in a in a world
where it's there's predominant NOS uh and so we worked on building The Impossible that's where we are right now like I can't I can't even really put it into words I mean it's not what I would have wanted to do like a story on myself no but like make a Lego film well there's a couple of things wrapped up in this exactly and I think that often we get ahead of the Nos and we and we say
them to ourselves and we don't actually ask the question because we're like it's too crazy I'm going to get no and we're told as kids really young by most parents with the best of intentions that know is a word that we have to get used to cuz what's going to keep us on the right side of the road and keep us out of trouble right for sure but it's one
of those words you need know for sure you need it you need boundaries but at the same time when it comes to exploration adventure creativity it's not a word I think that needs that carries much weight yet we still apply it in a lot of ways and I think what's beautiful about this is you just ask the question can we mhm and you had a partner who was like let's find out MH I
think a lot of people not to put us in our hierarchy probably wouldn't have even asked the question do you know what I mean yeah I mean for me it was the the thing that got me most excited you know right away that this idea of uh trying something that I didn't even know what it was going to mean I didn't know if it was going to work in the beginning I
just thought this is a really journey to go on and each step we took the world was telling us yes like oh this I think this is going to work and we kept playing with it it kept getting better and better but I come to see that the film itself is representative of how Fel thinks which is magical thinking magical thinking which is if everybody's going right I'm going to go left and we may
fail but I'm more interested in what happens good or bad if we if we go this way what I've always loved about your your magical thinking though Pete is that it's it's not um some people are contrary just by Design and I never felt that you were being contrary I felt like you were like it's been done it's been done so if it's been done like let's do something new and some people are like
oh you go left I'll go right it's almost like a personality trait for you I felt like it was always something much broader than that this Untamed curiosity that you seem to have always had based on the story that's told him piece by piece even from a young age you would see things different yeah but uh can't say that I really had the confidence to uh to really go after
things at times I think I just ended up doing them because it was second nature and it felt like it was the right thing to do but it was never really chasing anything because I didn't know that there was a there there or I I just knew I like the process there denotes a destination a point I didn't know if it was a there there I just knew I love doing it you
know Chad and I both as kids we we loved making music we loved the process we didn't know what it was going to result but you had an ambition that subconsciously or consciously was telling you that just doing cuz most people make music at home they don't jump on desks and say hey man yeah I'm going to change I'm going to change your life and I'm going to change the world
and so something was driving you I jumped on Chris lighty's desk it was Chris Lighty I mean in the movie it's Steve Stout voicing the m but it's but that was Chris that was Chris lighting but cuz that's a real story so tell him what happened when you met with Chris at that time I mean he was on the phone and I was performing and then all when he
was on the phone I just he answered a phone call while I was performing I just jumped on a desk I was like oh okay fine when one irresistible Force meets another right great things happen right right let me see if this gets this guy out of my office I'm going take the call it was probably a CER probably wasn't even a call he needed to take such a swerve yeah it was very real though I
mean did you ever get a chance I'm sure you did to laugh about that because obviously when Chris was alive and you were already successful there must have been a moment when you were a function or whatever and you recognized that moment I think I I don't even know if I even remembered it when we started you know doing things for Chris I mean we did uh grimy and what it is right now for
Buster two different sessions the same night they they Chris flewed them all down to like to get those songs you know he was great man you were doing songs rest in peace rest in peace to your point about nose you know one thing we get into in the film that people tend to forget is that what you were doing in the beginning that the Beats you were making with Chad
were so unorthodox that there were years of nose before they really connected that people tend to skip over but those are the important years you know yeah then there's a moment where it makes sense for the uh for the beat to like come to surface and get used well it's like they say you know you can't you can't design when it's going to happen you just have to be
ready when it does yeah and it was clear that you were because as I said you know I was in the UK at the time and the sound was intoxicating and immediately that we were all completely hooked in what you were making as Neptunes um but I I think as music fans even we weren't expecting the the the the speed and the dominance which I know it's a strong word dominance but I think I can use it
in this regard I mean as far as the amount of hits you had on radio at one point or another there were a couple of years where it was dominant the question is for someone who' wanted that for so long maybe not known what it was but had a driving ambition to get your music in front of as many people as possible MH what did that do to your sort of
ambition because it felt like what was driving you up to that point was the nose and so how did yes feel when they started to come in really fast I never got super used to it but I overcompensated it with Cockiness and arrogance right and in the same way that like you can confuse loving the process of what you do and the success that comes from it as the same thing you can
also like get confused in hearing the yeses and feeling like uh you need to overcompensate by saying yeah that's right and being cocky about it yeah it fixes your identity when you don't really really feel that way um and so you know it's just that term you know it's very important self-awareness you got to be aware and a lot of times you know things are
happening so fast you're not really aware you know sometimes I have a delayed response I'm a late bloomer sometimes I have delayed responses to things and uh you know you just got to know yourself know thyself and when you do you know you're able to like harness these moments when they catch you off guard and when you're blindsided you're able to harness it and handle the
situation and um harness the situation better that's like where I am now I love music I love making music I still do we we got a I just did a record uh for the weekend and Playboy cardi mhm I love that record yeah Timeless yeah pun intend it starts out in a quite a documentary style fashion with some real BTS that probably will or will not make the cut depending
on how confident you are and it's and it's and it's what it does it does all things introduces you as a family man trying to figure out how I'm going to make this work with everything else going on in my life including my kid who's only about two so he's got balance issues right so I'm going to pick him up you okay and and very quickly you're like okay this is this is going to be a
documentary in Lego I wasn't expecting was that it stopped being a documentary pretty quickly and it started being a real kind of Coming of Age film a film that could have easily been fictionalized in a strange way I was inspired by it in the same way I was inspired by storytelling that isn't necessarily set in real life and I wonder how that feels from inside that
experience I'm sure you feel something akin to that because you weren't want you didn't want to make a traditional documentary how it feels to be looking back on your life but it's being presented in a way like it's a like it's a it's just a brilliant Rex to Rich has you know climb to the top story I think you just so wonderfully spoken to um the Brilliance of this man's um
storytelling you know he allow all of his interviews to sort of tell him what the film was going to be like you said we started like saying okay it's going to be animated Doc and we didn't tell anybody it was going to be Lego we just said animated doc MH and uh people gave their purest and rawest you know feelings about you know working with me and
having experiences with me and and I think they even were even warmer in ways than they wouldn't have been if they would have known it been Lego because you know you think okay well I don't want to say this or I want to say that and now this is going to be my posture and I'm going to it out you know they start trying to direct you know by just picking the stories they're going to
tell but here it was just like pure and and I feel like he really listened to everything that he got what he amassed and he let that direct him in the direction that in like allow the the Lego allowing us to to to vividly uh illustrate and depict what the story was saying gave the Cinematic Liberty and these extra steroids that like arest reg documentary it's true
would be incredibly limited it's true you expanded the framework considerably yeah even just the way you presented the concept of a beat being a box yeah and the shape can change all times and the colors and the way that Synthesia showed up in the film which was just electrifying um for you as a do documentary maker who's told these stories each of them unique over the
course of your life but to be able to move in a space so visually exciting and to elaborate in ways you can't as for rightly put oneon-one it was so liberating and it's funny because I think farel has said that part of his idea to do in Lego was to almost keep a layer between his his naked self you say having to see your face you know on a in a normal documentary would have felt
hard for him to watch that's a good point you wouldn't have probably kept that scene with the family in if it was actually shot in reality through a camera no way right no way great point but Zayn's really great at what he does um take it but I will also say too it's like looking in a mirror it's like looking in a recorded mirror yeah the point is you know that Lego even though
it seems to maybe be a a buffer between you and and the real world I actually felt like it was allowed me to get in his head I know him way in a way that I couldn't have in a normal documentary I could see what he was seeing in his Mind's Eye which you can't show in a normal documentary that was incredibly liberating for me you know you don't get to play with those kind of tools you
know and just being able to explore and we kind of came up with this idea that there is this kind of documentary conceit but but once the music comes in all the rules disappear it becomes a Fantasia like anything can happen and we're in outer space and we're underwater and all these different things because all those big emotional things that happen when you listen to
music we wanted to go on that ride with forel there's a a moment in the film in the arc about two-thirds of the way through where a lot of the symbolism starts to to to recur in a very moving way the idea of water this big fish you know um Poseidon this idea of all of these sort of icons and inspiration points of searching for you or wanting you to see them again because you were
kind of had lost your way a little bit and were uninspired is what the film tells me you're going through an uninspired phase of your life where the creativity was so many of them by the way yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz what happens is like you get inspired by something and then you just like drain it dry and then it's like okay now what it's a lot
of that but man that's the journey it's like fishing you know you're just in the wrong patch of water that's it that's it just stay on the boat stay on the boat keep your ride well C celebrated you know keep your bait Keep Your Hooks pun intended you know be kind to everyone that's on your ship this is the Fel that I know now having known the Fel before
that I love spending time with and it's not that I didn't enjoy my time before but you're right there was a barrier between what I do and who you are before that should have existed you're like I'm a superstar and you're trying to get answers out of me and there has to be a protocol here and now I feel we can go places and have real human conversations because that's what maturity does to you
right it's what growth does to you you know but in that moment in time I've definitely had my breakthroughs the moments when I realize I can leave some stuff behind and it's better over the side of the table and I I wasn't quite sure really where something profound or what the profound I know it happens all the time but in the film in particular
was there a profound moment when you realized that you weren't that person anymore and you wanted and you were ready to be someone else you were ready to grow you were ready to embro Embrace Life in a different way which is who you seem to have become now or who you've become now when I was about 40 cuz that's when like you know get lucky blur lines happy all of
that was like the same year so I was like okay Wella and these were all songs that were more commissions than they were just like I woke up one day and decided I'm going write about X Y and Z they were commissions that's interesting so when you know when it's a commission yeah then God the universe whatever you want to call it your hands it's kind of
like yeah well did you do this yeah was this your idea okay you were you met you Rose to the occasion three times but you didn't wake up one morning and decided you was going to make a song about an emotion you know this was nine songs that you were trying to like you know really complete this task for this film and you kept hearing no no no no no no no no no no no no no and
then it was only until you were out of ideas and you asked yourself a rhetorical question and you came back with a sarcastic answer and that's what happy was what was the question how do you make a song I mean like I've done it like nine songs or not it what the hell like how do you make a song about a person that's so happy that nothing can bring them down and I sarcastically answered it and put
music to it and that sarcasm became the song and that broke me yeah that broke me that all of what I thought it was supposed to be didn't didn't do that and I had to learn that the Universe we're in the universe the universe is a part of everything that we do it's it's so crazy for us to think like as individuals everything comes from us your ideas everything that you
get is coming from a library of existence nothing is new Under the Sun in fact the Sun that you look up at every day is one of trillions upon trillions upon trillions of other stars nothing is new once you realize the insignificance of yourself then you understand what what what your actual significance is you know people think man I'm I wrote the book it's like no no no no you don't
understand you're lucky to be a comma in the sentence of a paragraph that happens to be in a page of a book called existence you're H you're lucky to be the dot on an eye lucky or turn it upside down the dot on the bottom of the exclamation you are lucky to be that but imagine the people that walk around thinking that they are the book and when I realized that that broke
me that broke me because the universe was like no I'm going to do it two more times I thought I was writing get lucky for somebody else it was only until the song was mixed and they played it for me in Henson Studios that I realized that the robots wanted me on there I would have written it so differently for somebody else I I I remember speaking to them
yeah about that album and when we spoke about you I distinctly remember the answer was and I'm sure they said this to you that they felt that you had always being a great solo performer singer that your tone and your ability to perform was something that you had wrapped into your production but they had always whilst they appreciated your production absolutely loved you as a
vocal performer and as a and as an artist and could never understand why there had to been more of that and that's reflected in the film as well um Mimi talks about that which is like we were waiting and you gave an eloquent response about the timing of it and the pressure you felt being successful on your own terms and not with the guys but looking back on
that now what was really driving what else was driving that decision do you think internally psychologically for you to to not hear yourself the way others hear the way we hear you I couldn't hear what I had and what I was because I was distracted by hubris h yeah and lack of self-awareness I just didn't no I was driven by ego now I am I am driven by gratitude and
wherewithal not everybody has it you know when someone just goes out and says crazy they don't have to wherewithal or go out and do something crazy and you're just like why they do that I always think it comes from Fear all that stuff comes from Fear well I was definitely afraid at the time too I was just like oh this is requires touring I don't want to do
that this requires a whole bunch of rehearsals oh no let me go back to the Beats was like rehearsal are you kidding me yeah yeah no way and I I mean and that's because I didn't feel compelled yeah you did us a favor cuz we were urging you to do it that's not a good enough reason you need to want to do it we all wanted it I ain't see it yeah I just wasn't driven robots saw
it they saw a lot of things man I miss them the best still the best I know and all things I know I know in the end is as as as poetic and beautiful as the beginning to their point you can always press play yeah but wasn't there something just beautiful about knowing that somewhere out there in the galaxy they were just cooking up cooking up yeah I L it I mean I know that I don't wake up
every day wait expecting a Frank Ocean album but I love the idea that he's cooking oh yeah you know he could okay he he stay Frank stays in the kitchen yeah and and it's probably the reason why he doesn't serve as much he really enjoys the culinary process yeah Morgan getting back to the creative side of this documentary from a from a director's point of view um and getting
a chance to kind of take a step back and take a look at something that you've made in collaboration with with with Lego and and you know it's it's not just you and your team and I know it's always collaborative but there's a lot of I'm sure you know your editors you've got your dop you've got your people that you work with that help you build these
things traditionally you really had to kind of lean in on Lego right and and and say look this has got to we got to figure this out you know when FR pitched me this idea and I said yeah I think that's great but now we get have to get Lego to say yes yeah and so we met with them and they could have killed the film right then but they were one of those yeses within 10 minutes they said we
kind of love this idea like this is weird but we kind of love it and they knew that it was going to stretch them in ways they hadn't done before in terms of what we want to do with representation skin tone hair all kinds of things you just said this for that there are seven new skin tones in the Lego Universe because of this film now in the real world you know and that was
something forel talked about from the beginning but pushing them but they knew they needed to be pushed yeah and and I will say other than that they were pretty hands off about everything you know and then making a film like this is a huge Endeavor I mean we had an animation studio Pure Imagination and a animation director Howard Baker but then
we had people all over the globe making this film for years and that's what it takes to do this you know that process is both so so liberating but also so um there's so much responsibility that comes with that you know and there there was no instruction manual on how to make a film like this and I just kept saying well the instructions are in the Box you know
just listen to what Fel is saying yeah you know that in a way that became a kind of philosophy of you know piece by piece you know that's how you make a song but it's how you make a movie it's definitely speaks to the to the quality of the end result because I think with some documentaries you get a feeling that to your point in the beginning of this conversation there that there's an
unwilling participation going on that ultimately over time Finds Its natural resting place and and and it the results great but it's always like ah Man Documentary crew is here H man you know it's almost comes with it's a little bit of a sort of cliche P you sort of have to play or you have to hand over when you do a doc like ah man B the cruise here and I was like here we go right and
it switched up really quickly and I just love how you found a way to lean in like you always do with everything that you do I I can't believe it took Lego to do it but I I'm glad that you can be proud of this film now in the same way you're proud of Timeless or you're proud of alv the work you do or you know what I mean MH it couldn't be that you just were a
willing participant I needed Morgan and I needed Lego yeah you know for me to ever be interested in such a process I was never into that don't you remember like maybe six seven years ago where like all the A-list artists were doing like documentaries it got out of control and quarantine because for lots of reasons I think I think financially people were struggling and I think there
was that sell a story and I think there was quite a few docs if you look back on it now with best of intentions that probably would feel a little premature based on other factors I was not I feeling it no way leave me out of it saturation Point yeah yeah yeah man no thanks bro look what you've been able to achieve by doing it you both brought up
the very important point of um increasing representation in existing products in existing areas it's not just about creating new representation it's like no no no let's represent now what you've been doing let's add let's let's grow up right did you recognize that when you were playing with Lego with your kids or is it something that really only crossed your mind when you were
actually doing the process yourself and realized hang on you're not actually built yet pun very much intended to represent who I am and what my friends and what my family look like and feel like and have to say oh no no no no it's only when we got involved we just knew that we were going to have to make some changes and make some you know and to grow the some of these categories but
that's you know that wasn't a political thing as much as it was just like look we G we want to like this is a really Universal opportunity uh no pun intended to Universal Pictures but you know it's a universal opportunity so let's make sure that we're meeting you know IP wise right let's make sure we're meeting uh the consumers in intersection of where they
are you know there's lots of different there's millions and millions and millions of hands that put these pieces together and they don't all look the same and again inclusivity is very beautiful and diversity is beautiful and Equity is beautiful it's just that those things get weaponized all the time you're woke and I'm like you're self-aware would you not want someone
else to be self-aware it's unfortunate it's unfortunate but in a world where there's so much divisiveness something being Universal is necessary we need more Universal tools out there in the world and we feel like this is one of those ones just like no matter whether you're eight or you're 80 years old like it's never too late to like start building
your dream piece by piece literally like you know now really is such a better word than never there was a moment in the film which threw me for a loop I know a lot about my favorite musicians it's my lifelong passion and I was watching a scene involving Missy Elliot and I had to look at my wife I watched the film with and I was like me I did not know that and you
know how relieved I was to find out that it was a creative Liberty and it didn't actually occur which is the bit about Missy in the lunchroom playing with everybody and and once I realized after the fact that that was an embellishment I actually loved it even more cuz I realized that you weren't being restricted by factual on a factual basis only that if
you can go and create something visually that can make you do 55 back flips on a skateboard why can't we embellish the story a little bit more just to make it even stickier and even more compelling as a documentary maker though how did that feel at the time because most of the time you've had to stick to the program yeah but to me it's a the deeper truth you know and this is a new type of
film you know it's whatever it's a creative non-fiction and you know but the truth of it is that you knew Missy in high school she didn't go to your high school School you knew Tim and you knew all those guys and you did make with them it's an animated exaggeration yeah so we just happen to has a catras now love it let's open the door to the era of
animated exaggeration through a fictional factual basis I love I mean as opposed to animated reality totally totally totally we were in school in Virginia yeah and you know it was that's that that that part is definitely real but I think in his effort to homogenize uh different moments so that it would make the story cohesive and really palatable to everybody I gave him all
the you know I gave him all the autonomy to do what he needed to do even including like using songs to sort of um help tell the story in ways that the songs were not originally written and purposed you know like he's just you just just brilliant the way you think about things and that's that's the thing but you know upon um further reflection when I really think about it everything was
objectified and that's usually a word that like is usually seen as like has a heavier commentation is not always fair to at least you know starting with our women you know the female species you know that objectification but here in this sense we use objectification to make to bring about universality in a way that like helps to tell a black man a marginalized a person from a
marginalized uh community living in public housing on a federal subsidy to make that feel more Universal and not poverty porn because when you see the projects from the outside you like wow that's man that's hard what is that like and then when you're on the inside and you really living there you know you realize that you living in a world where it's very
magical that's not very easy to communicate in a documentary you know I can say how fun it is but you you know you see what it really look like you see the broken glass on the street like man that's what you walking on every day but man there was still joy and doing it through the guys of Lego it objectified the components and all the details so that it didn't feel heavy
when it did didn't need to feel heavy it felt emotional when you needed it to feel emotional I'm very grateful to the uh animation house I'm very grateful to Morgan and you know the way that he decided to sew this story together um it it gave enough objectivity and objectification for me to be inspired to like make the music cuz like I said otherwise I would be like looking in a
recorded mirror mhm I can't be inspired by that it's like for me I'm seeing myself it's like a mirror being turned on its on itself there there's too much of a pat on the back it's too like hey man look at everything you've achieved in your life congratulations it's Lego awesome it's like it's not enough what what's that song sound like exactly you you know and
you said something really great before Morgan as well when you said like like what is it going to be animated reality like what is that and that's what I thought going into it that it would be I thought it would be a unique Twist on a timely format and it's not that's why I love what you did with Missy there because I feel like I feel like I'm the point is me in a way the point is how I
feel at the end of it not how I feel about farel mhm that's really what I took away from it I was like inspired in my own life yes as opposed to going well done I always knew he was great for real everybody he's great documentary proves it you know what I mean like we all know he's great it's another gift thank you so much man this is and this is exactly
what we wanted out of it we wanted people to walk away thinking about themselves and feeling changed and feeling like they could do anything and like I said now is a better word than ever now it's a better right now go what's stopping you they going to try to put you in the Box it's what they do and by the way at some point in your life when you transition to you know the
afterlife they will put you in a box not me mate they'll sprinkle me over the ocean but I know what you mean well yeah okay there you go but either way yeah yeah sprinkle your pieces over the Lego ocean when you go but until then Man live life to the fullest Bo no boxes no man a big part of the INSP inspiration that I took away from this was the
importance of friendship I love how that story is told throughout I love I love the early part of the film the way that it's just the three of you just skating and riding around The Bard making it up skipping school this is the that as we get older and mature in our lives we forget that is the dream yeah the dream is that you find a room that you can
skip school to go and play music and and be naive that is the dream is it subconscious or conscious now that you're able to hold on to that naivity because when I hear your music now I feel like you're that guy again do you know what I mean I feel like you're tapping into that guy yeah and I and I don't know how at our age we're the same age yeah how you're able to I try to how
how you're able to continue to sort of go back to that room over the over the garage you never lose your curiosity I don't care who you are you never lose your curiosity complacency kicks in when your distractions get louder than your curiosity when you kill all the distractions your curiosity is blaring and you just find yourself asking questions and you find
yourself creating thought experiments you find yourself enraptured by in investigation and if you have the skill set and you know how to transmit what the universe is sending you in terms of answers to these Curiosities and you have the ability to make that music that is no pun intended Timeless I love that I love what you said about distraction being louder than curiosity I think
that's that's the most beautiful and succinct way to describe the tampering of one's Creative Energy I think I've ever heard it's very true 100% it's it definitely speaks to me and I definitely I know it speaks to people I know too yeah um this concept of sin sinesia thank you yes sir it's a tough one I mean I've never mastered and I'm all right with words you know yeah
um I would like to try to get inside it a little more than I ever have before I would like to understand it a little more than I ever have before I'm I'm fascinated by it I'm in a healthy and beautiful way kind of envious of it it's the kind of thing I wish I felt or saw or experienced it's not always it's not always the best thing in the world though but this is why I wanted to ask
you about what the experience is truly like and this is the perfect time to do it because it's so beautifully embellished through this film through the color palette and the explosive nature of Lego expanding and Contracting in this film so I just wanted more of a sort of take in the human world on what it is to what to experience it when we're born we all of our nerve endings
to all of our senses and sub modalities are connected when we turn one they prune your sight your sound your smell your taste your feeling there's also a six sense too which is intuition intuition yeah this one double check and sometimes we have side effects of like retrocognition precognition uh and there's all these other things the people have right but
that's not synesthesia synesthesia is when like you turn one not all the senses prune so the ones that are to that are still together send ghost image information to each other to that those parts of the brain so mine is like Visual and audio so um and I hear something it's also triggering how my mind would Express itself when it gets information and sends it
electrically through the neural pathway so whichever way it it speaks the vernacular the portion of your your brain that receives information from your ears is also receiving uh sight information and so your brain is processing both and so you're sending ghost images to each side but it's not always Pleasant because there are people who have synesthesia and they have it with sight and
taste and they see purple but they're not tasting grape they might taste rust it's not always like this quote unquote gifted thing it's just that people who have it you learn to take some of that information and your brain sort of because it's all your brain is ever known now you process information a different kind of way and I don't know
if I can make music if I didn't see the colors because that's what how it helps me map it out and how I like sort of get around schematically but first of all it's not as rare as people think there's a lot of people with it and um when when they're they're graphic cenes too so people with like words and numbers and characters you'll know them because most people just see them as
Geniuses and they're quirky but they're genius but if you ask them why they can recite a 26 number 26 digit number is because if you really ask the right forensic questions cuz they'll just tell you oh I'm just like that I always was good with numbers but you got to ask him forensic questions very specific questions and only then will it come out that like when they see the number two
it's burgundy and nine is yellow but it tilts to the side and three is oversized uh and one is upside down that's why they're able to keep up with those things because it objectifies it 100% there are brilliant musicians that don't have synesthesia but for the ones that do have it oh you're so creative and you're so no we have this Condition it's really a kind
of like a defect Vibe but we've learned to live with it and we've made lemonade from our lemons that's literally what that is and so whenever you're hearing something like you know your brain conjures these images of something and that's what helps you see it for what it is and you always see that every time you hear it and it's objective uh not everybody hears the same cords
and see the same colors it's just whatever your whatever way you learned it when you were little whatever colors were around during that time when you heard it that's what you see thank you so much for thoughtfully elaborating on that I learned so much just from that answer about something which is kind of to your point is celebrated for the lack
of knowledge as being this kind of almost superpower that certain creative people have but it's so much deeper than that and Crosses so many other spectrums of life so I really appreciate you elaborating on that just one quick thing you know as somebody working on an animated movie it was a total gift for us because I mean Not only was it a way for us to visualize something that for
all was seeing but I you know we we have these physical representations of Beats and we would show you beats and say are these the colors of this song and I could go through and we did on a lot of songs I would go through songs and ask you the colors of each song and you always had answers for it which is so interesting that he still remembers the
color of every song he's made you know and so that became something we could then make in Lego you know which is incredible well that's what made me want to ask the question is because after watching the documentary I was so much more curious about it because I saw it I actually saw I've never seen anyone try to do it through a film through a natural lighting or or an
artificial lighting way somehow through the Lego experience I got to like I got used to it when the Beats would present themselves in their different colors I was like oh cool it was a language I started to understand more through the film and I think it was really good to it just piqued my curiosity on it and I should give one quick shout out that we actually brought in an animator a kind
of legendary animator Michelle Gagney who had worked on Ratatouille that's right had done some cesia who kind of said I've done it but have you done it in Lego and try to figure out how to represent cesia doesn't that just make you realize that they want to work with that person even more and they say I've already done it you're like then you're in the right
room yeah which is amazing one of the things that that that really landed for me in this film as I said extending from what we were talking about with friendship is how much we all just we fell in love with you and the and and the boys we fell in love with the crew we fell in love with the with the common the common goal with the imagery with the feeling that you all
presented it was it was more than the some than each individual was the sum of all parts M and I know that there's actually an unresolved ending right now in this Beyond this documentary in regards to the legacy of Neptune's in N which is private um but I wonder looking back on this film watching this film back because this has been a long time in the making Chad is in the film of
course and he had to be but right now it's not good oh it's great it's different exactly it's different we all evolve and we all move forward and I've thought about it does has has watching the film did it allow you the space to really even further acknowledge that it's okay it's different it's okay it's not what it was it's something different because you're telling a
different story in the documentary to the one that you're in right now and as fans and friends we're invested in all of it we love that too we always have so I just wonder whether it kind of made you feel a different way looking back on the documentary now that it was kind of made at a different time in terms of the legacy of of that relationship I will always love Chad and
I will always be grateful for the time that we made music together mhm always nothing will change that MH and I will always wish him the absolute best M nothing will change that there's nothing that he or anyone else could do to ever make me feel differently about what we did together and what I wish for him nothing yeah it's a it's an amazing friendship story
this this film MH it's so unlikely all of it from the beginning and the great ones always are mhm um as someone who probably doesn't reflect on your achievements if ever mhm and did the best you could to try to make something with an incred credible director that allowed you the space to not have to do that where does it find you now where does does through Lego or
otherwise kind of close closing the loop on one aspect of your life which is what any kind of story does a good one where does it leave you now in terms of space Freedom sense of like completion any of those things do they do they resonate with you now that you've had gone through this process I can't believe God has given me so many opportunities I can't believe
it there's so many people who wish that they could have the success of one song wish that they could go into a studio wish that they could learn to use their gifts wish that they could acknowledge that they had a gift there's so many things that I am just so honored and can't believe and I'm just so grateful you know when I say use the words grateful and humbled and privileged and
[Music] honored I say those things so much that I don't know if people can feel it from me anymore that the definition of those words don't measure up to what I mean when I say those things but I can't believe I still get to do this I can't believe it and I this guy said yes man we're like sitting here I'm like talking to my brother right now I've known you for
years you seen my UPS my Downs my lefts my rights the idea that I just get to do what I love to do you know I'm not like really an interview person I'm not like a I'm not one of those people that's like out there you know pushing sides on people and telling you you got to take a side on this and you got to do that man I don't bother anybody I just I I I mind my business
and I just I love being creative and the idea that I get to do it it blows my mind and I'm also honored to serve you know to serve talk about the importance of Education talk about the importance of supporting black and brown ideas having 501 c3s in both respective areas just the idea I get to do any of this man and my kids get to see this you know my children get to
see their dad tell his story or at least half of it you know some 51 halfway through yeah halfway through if it's going to be a 100 I don't know I don't know what it is going to be but whatever it is man I just can't believe that the universe is um that this was written it's wild the theme throughout this the through line of this story is that um you were
destined to achieve unique and wonderful things and we hope that for everybody but somehow you allowed it to happen you got out of God's way you just let it go especially at that point in your life when you realized that self-awareness was key yeah and I I think that that's a really valuable lesson there which is that like it's sort of it's sort of this beautiful
combination of control no control no control yeah it's kind of both at the end of the day the illusion feeds the reality and the reality allows the illusion and I think those two things are kind of where it's at yes listen what the universe has for you no man situation or thing can stop it not even your own ego and the people who suffer the most are the ones that are like
Relentless and just it will have the opposite effect it'll actually yeah yeah when your ego like I said egotistical distractions get super loud you know when you just can't hear that you can't hear that inner voice you can't hear that Curiosity cuz it's not loud I did say curiosity is blaring loud but that inner voice of self-awareness is not loud no that's a discipline you got to
quiet down to distractions man and just just listen and that's really where the change comes from I think the change comes from on a mass scale when on a micro scale we actually feel it ourselves because then we we trust our feelings and others in a more meaningful way that is that's it that's it in a nutshell and that's what this film really achieves for me it's maximum
feeling through something that the only other time I felt it was at the bottom of my foot and my kids left it on the carpet it did not feel good Lego traditionally is not a feeling a good feeling experience on the body yeah when you step on pick up your Lego will you please that's been most of my experience with Lego I mean one thing that people many people have said to us is they
forget they're watching a Lego Movie it does completely suspend it and I forget I'm watching a someone else's story in a strange way it's um beautifully created I'm sure it's going to have a huge impact on how a lot of people who are beautiful creatives think about how they want to present this story long may that continue and thanks for just breaking
through once again and giving us something unique cuz you just continue to do it as do you Morgan different takes on things that just keep pushing it forward I'm addicted to it and I'm I'm always looking for new inspiration you've given us a big one this one Peace by piece this incredible film watch it listen to the new songs Relish in it all gentlemen thank you bro thank you [Music]