[Music] [Music] what a lovely gas awesome you have here Taylor thanks for inviting us to your home of course man it's a beautiful spot how long have you been living here uh I've been here for like a little over two years now whenever I walk into a house that's this tasteful and feels
this lived in I think like yes Rock built this yes do you know what I mean like the system works play good music and you get to live a decent life it's great it's not me it's not me I don't know I don't know how it looks like this but it's not me it's oh this is like cribs this this isn't even your house it's not
my house yeah yeah I had a whole lot of Gatorade in the fridge and none of it's yours right yeah this is for sale so you should if you like it this is a show home this is all staging furniture and it was just unlocked this morning just walked in this little do Nic set it up
we know that's not true because this is so lived in um and there's so much musical equipment around here and um it it just feels like you've spent a lot of time in this house and uh we've been talking before cameras rolled I know this has been really a central hub for this era of the band for this new album
and everything else um so it's nice to be able to sit here and have this conversation with you guys in a place you feel comfortable in you know yeah yeah pretty cool so when you came back like when you finished the last tour on the self tile fourth record which obviously propeled Paramore to a whole
other level in terms of reaching audience touring you know you ended up headlining some of the most prominent festivals in the world at the end of that tour you want a gramy I mean it's high fives all around when you're in the middle of it but when you actually got back to Nashville like what's that
decompression experience like when because life goes on while you're out there doing what you do it took a I mean I still feel like I feel like we've just now come down and and now you're about funny being in a band but I mean it's it's weird cuz so much life has happened I feel like um this has been
the longest break we've taken between albums even though there was so much time that went went by between um brand new eyes and self-titled we we did a lot of touring in between you know um even while we were making the record we were off doing festivals and stuff and this we really just shut down we we shut down
the whole machine because we needed it and um and I think in some ways it sort of let out you know maybe some demons that that are easy to it's just kind of easy when you're in This Groove and you're rolling rolling rolling you get whiplashed when you stop you know you're suppressing those demons as you put it
you know effectively that arisk of development of going out there and getting that adrenaline every night and being appreciative for what you do and ultimately it's narcissism on a stick you know and then you got to come back good look at you are yeah yeah and you've got to figure out hard you know
who your friends are and you go back home and you're with your family and like what that Dynamic is like when you're you know I mean you're just a kid to them doesn't matter if you have your own thing going on you talked about shutting down the machine you know not a lot of bands at your level or artists at
your level actually turn it off like you can turn it down but it's a business so people rely on that and there's there's a lot of things that go into being a success that a lot of fans probably don't want to know or don't need to know or just simply don't know and I wondered
how hard that is you know when you get back and it's like all right Paramore is just closed for business for a minute while we go live some life and and how that how challenging that actually is to pump the brakes I mean maybe it's because of social media too but it is really hard to to um let yourself
disappear for a moment um if you have the intention of ever coming back you know um cuz time just goes by so fast um on the internet and media I quit social media for like two months three maybe even three you and every other artist I've spoken to recently this is a really encouraging
thing in a weird way I've spoken to so many artists who are like I just disconnected yeah it's so crucial yeah it's crucial and I did it kind of before we were busy writing too so that it kind of you know it kind of helped and you know life was happening and some of that was really good and some of that was
very painful and it was kind of like I don't need other voices I need to like it's hard enough to just figure out what your own voice is even I think even if you're not in a band even if you don't do what we do for a living you know I I think just being in the world with all this information coming at you it's nice to
Shield yourself from it for a moment you know not in an ignorant way but just in a maybe self preservation way yeah yeah it sounds like you had to do that in some respects because the record and we're going to dive into this now c um after laughter the record is is this
really strange dance between one partner who's this Breezy free sounding music which is searching for this kind of groov and just like let's let go let go and then these lyrics which are like I'm trying I'm trying yeah and I wondered you know when that began and how you found your voice and when you started to
find your voice that's so loud and honest on this record um well Taylor started writing music we were still doing shows for um self-titled and the the first stuff that he was sending me I was really intimidated by cuz I I loved it so much and it was very rhythmic and very different from anything that that
that we had written before and reflective of what we here now in some respect yeah I mean it was like a there were shades of it for sure I think he was Finding where what was most comfortable with and and kind of like just I don't know finding the groove but I was only listening to T and Paula so I
was just trying to rip off I was just trying to rip off everything it was so intimidating I love that you said that man cuz people should absolutely own up to that at all times like I was just listening to T and trying to do bad T and P right exactly what it was exactly what it was I had to try I had to try I
think it was didn't work but I had to try cool for Kevin P maybe yeah but I was kind of like I was like oh man man we're really we're really going to we're going to move away from wherever we are right now and gut was tuning about that and yeah and I was nervous because part of me didn't every time we do a record I
I think this happens where I get so married to like who we are in that moment that I'm scared for us to like go be something else cuz what if what if we're not as good at that or something I don't know I just have all these little fears that kind of swirl and um you know and then we came home and there was like
a a very quick L that happened and he was already sort of he was already ready again to to write it just it was like it was like touch and go for a while and and the more that he the more he would write and the more things were coming out of him I think that confidence built
a little bit more and you know it just took me a long time to verbalize some of the things I was going through I had to do it in really Elementary ways at first and that made me feel like maybe I wasn't a great writer you know have lyrics on the record that are just so ABAB um and then you have other ones
that that um that are got wrenching you know for me um but I think that all that was necessary to learn how to fit myself into this new world because that this is the musically that's the world that I envision myself living in as a as a person even we it's like it's it's a fun it's a fun one and and we want we want
to feel like that I think a lot of people want to feel like that but I think it's I think I think pop music I think vulnerability is an underrated aspect of pop music I think people feel that pop music is this just out and out confident like veneer and actually pop music and saying something within that
framework is is a very vulnerable place it's I think it's it's easier to bury yourself under layers of sound yeah yeah there are layers on this record but every one of them is discernible I can hear the guitar relating to the percussion relating to the Bas relating to and it's in that sense there's a lot
of space for you to move within and I can imagine that must have been quite nerve-wracking it really was I I mean I tell everyone I the first day I got in Taylor's car to go we were going somewhere before we were going to write and he was listening to I don't know what you were listening to filoti or I
don't know what you were listening to it was I think like Thomas mob fumo okay he was listening to just some crazy and and just lots of lots of um Rhythm which I love that's what I that's what helps me write most yeah I was just kind of like wow how am I going to fit everything I I
feel into these Pockets you know into into this Rhythm and how am I going to do that in a way that makes me proud cuz I was already so psyched about what he was making you know what I was hearing I just wanted to do it justice and honor it yeah that's a challenge it is it's a challenge when you overthink things and
correct me if I'm wrong but I think you guys overthink a lot of things we do we really do like how did he nail us within minutes it's all on the Record Man you know you can hear it and and I think that um it's clear when you hear your records that it means that much to you at that time and I think getting
anything finished when you're in that head space is a miracle cuz it's like you could just get lost in that process so you need someone to help you do that and once again you teamed up with an absolute Savage this guy Jus Justin mandle Johnson Who as a musician is one of the most talented of his generation
as a producer has now sparked that whole part of his life as well as someone with hair he just continues to inspire on every single level but it sounds like Paramore produced this record with him Taylor did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we you know I think at the at the beginning
you know when we went into this record it was just Haley and I um and it was kind of this uh you know trying for us to try to like realize okay I guess pamore is a two-person rock band and that was a hard yeah at the point and it was a hard thing for us to kind of wrap our heads around and and um and I so I
think we were like man how do we make this to where we can get into the room with people that that know us there's some like there's some comfort like there's some um some voices and some like influence outside of us that can Elevate this and we're like well Zach and uh and jmj you know cuz he you know
he is like yeah the most insane bass player and we just had done our last record with him so we knew that we already had some like Rapport and um yeah so it was a really it was a really cool thing and it felt that way like when we got into pre-production I saw finally playing these songs cuz it's it
was at that point just me behind my computer trying to everyone basically going ins totally and it was really cool like to just play guitar and for Haley to just sing and then like let Zach and jmj like do what they do and kind of you know fill that space and um yeah so it was it it just it was we definitely
wanted to have way more of a hand in this record and um I think we just had a we had a vision for this record but we also always know that we need help you know like I I think what's one of the things I love about Paramore is that through all of these you know misjudged assessments over the course of the
difficulties you've been through that it's like it's Haley's band or it's this or it's that you've always seemed to me to strive for a community that you wanted to be in a gang that you wanted to be a group of people because that's strengthen numbers in some respects you know and I think that
that's that's evident on this record and it's also evident was that coming back into the band which was just like I mean there's not enough romance in this day and age the way that things move so fast with music it's like put out a press or check out a tweet or check out an Instagram move on and what I loved when
it was actually announced was like the the t-shirt and the photo and it felt like you guys were like high fiving in the room when you clicked that s it you know what I mean like we definitely did that too much we didn't overthink that was the one thing we didn't overthink there's a lot of things in our entire
career so to get back to a situation like six years on or whatever it is where how does that happen and I and I want I want the I want I want the T-shirt The Next Step from the T-shirt like okay yay he's back in the band I want you to make us feel the way the T-shirt made us feel when you got back
in the band right like first day that you got that call or you've been hanging out already or what's the set the scene um man it was a long time before the T-shirt came out it uh I mean honestly it was Taylor and I met when we were both like 12 you know he's been my best friend since he's been
my longest best friend in my life my own like one of my he is my best friend so I uh you know I definitely after I quit the band in 2010 just to be you know tired of touring and you know had we'd been doing shows since I was 13 you were 14 15 and was that it was like you needed to get off that life I was just because the
perception was Brothers stick together there's elements of that but I'm also like my own person you know so um but yeah Al being Italian is like you you do stick together family um marinara sauce Pizza um the list goes on but yeah Taylor was you know just this this rock in my life that I didn't
have anymore you know and I like I was telling you earlier I like moved to New Zealand for a couple years it was like I was like searching for my life and it was like I was stoked about it the whole way and it was like so huge and I came home and um started putting pieces of my
life here back together and Taylor was like one of the most and Haley now but Taylor then was like the biggest thing that I was like I just don't have that and he reached out to me and um I was like all right let's hang out and then we took a drive one day and we just like got it all out there beautiful and then
I was like hey man we're in this weird part of town let's just turn around and go home so we didn't end up going anyway we just like drove and then um fast forward a couple months and he's like would you ever like want to play drums on our record had you been secretly hobing a dis in some respects to get
back and play music oh totally I was like if they cuz we were getting closer about it they had somebody playing with them I thought it was pry yeah I just I didn't I always thought it would be rad but I didn't know you know i' had dreams about it of me like them calling me and be like hurry up we need you and i' be
like oh crap um and then I'd like so I I deep down subconsciously and consciously but just kind of let it happen you know just like and um so he man he just asked me if I wanted to and I was like of course I would love to is that cool with Haley and he was like of course so
within the first month of recording the record Taylor just walks outside and he's like hey man do you want to join our band again oh man how' you feel I was like cuz I'm a realistic person I was like just a tour or two like what do you want me to do because I'm just playing drums on the record I wasn't in the band
and you got to you got to protect yourself at this point too because it's been a journey to get there I was like like wait what are you saying here yeah I was like well of course I would love to but um you know it was it was a hard time though man like when in 2010 I know
for them I can't speak for you guys but we're so close now I know a lot of the details but for me it was like this thing where I had this moment after leaving the band that I was like walking to my mailbox and I was like I had like no identity anymore I was just a person and it was this kind of freeing thing
with this the thing that I kind of thought I wanted but it was this really uncomfortable feeling not that I like really well I'm not that I care about fame or or being in a cool band or I've never cared about that in my whole life but it was just like something we did this is our occupation we live and
breathe music so I was like I don't have that anymore so man when he when he asked that I was just like I was taken back because I was you know was just so thankful and and and just like didn't expect that and um I but I it was also on the flip side of that it was like a really heavy decision in the first place
that that I left so it was even just a rad thing that we were hanging out and I was being able to play on the record I wanted to make a really smart and and uh adult decision about it so I I took a week I already knew that I wanted to do it but I was like yeah but the friend the you you when you just get your
friendship back you don't want to sacrifice that by going over old getting back in Old Hab totally I wanted to see what exactly and man it's like the band's like cuz I knew it then when we talked to you on the couch I knew it when we first started I know it now it's like um I obviously missed the six years
I was out of it but like I I've seen a lot of this there's only one record I didn't play on in self-titled so it's like I saw a lot of it and the thing that Drew me back the most and that yes the most immediate yes was getting to spend time with Haley and Taylor every day and and simultaneously let's just
let's just focus on Paramore as a dynamic I mean aesthetically we need to acknowledge that there had been another shift in the Personnel of the band and so ultimately you were probably looking for some some reinvestment in Friendship yourselves in some respects yeah like at
a certain point I mean I just felt like we'd been through like how much more can you really go through I know that people don't always keep you know the same friends throughout their entire life but I always thought I would and I met Zach and Taylor at such a young I mean we we
hung out all the time we were kids it's before anyone knew our names and before we were people knew us as Paramore or any of that so um I was just kind of like I mean I didn't have Zach in my life anymore and um and you know never mind Paramore at all I just I didn't know him anymore and and that made me
sad all the time but it made me so happy that Taylor and Zach had reconciled and I just for whatever reason I I stayed back from that for until we started play music again together but when you know like when you start to lose friends you lose a part of yourself you lose these memories that you don't really it's like
you're not allowed to have them anymore for some reason and and uh and it's painful and uh and you know we're still going through that because obviously like you said there has been another shift and and that and that's okay I think what is actually harder is just kind of the life stuff that you have to
go through and the things you have to really um wrap your head around I have one more question to ask you about this Zach you know it's a heartfelt one you know um how does Josh feel about that is he proud is he happy for you is he pleased that you're able to go and do what you love to do and yeah man I mean it's
like it's definitely like um an interesting situation just cuz like we both started playing together and then we left together and now I'm the only brother back and so obviously it's like and it's like another thing we're just used to just like we haven't had the opportunity to just keep some
things mysterious but it's like you know what he's he's an he's an awesome brother and he's he's been so encouraging to me I sat him down we lunch and he was like uh I was like see you know I've been playing on the record and they asked me be be back in the band he was like Oh I thought they already
did I kind of just thought I figured that would happen and he was like I'm stuck for you man he's like you know you you're you're my favorite drummer and you need to be playing drums and so that's great it was like a really encouraging thing obviously it's not you know it's not like back to normal and
he's not in the band so you know it's like it's not like uh it's not like it's all how it used to be but that's a cool thing about life is nothing is and that's something that I think you guys seem to be acknowledging at this point that through the through the you know the great and man you've had great you
continue to have great I mean param is great right it's a great life but then you know it seems to come with this disruption that seems to just get attached to this it's just you know sometimes and it just feels like you know okay this this is the energy yeah that comes and goes that's just what it
is is that kind of have you have you somehow come to a point of peace with that yeah I mean I think it just makes you fight harder for something that you love you know it kind of shows you what it's worth to you and you either walk away from it and or you keep you know you
just keep your head down and you bulldo through those things sometimes you don't bulldo through them sometimes you kind of suffer through them yeah but that's when it's good to have friends around you know you seem to be able to um I whenever something like this occurs or whenever it's around a time when there's
a there you know there's music in the air and I think that it always comes out you seem to come out fighting you obviously have this streak in you which is just like my voice will Propel me out of this dude I but I don't know if is that the reality no I wish I could could say that was uh the case with this
record and I I do feel like you know you listen to like brand new eyes and I yell throughout the entire but I I wish I could take credit for fighting through um things uh bravely with this but I and I mean just go ahead and hate me for pointing at you for the next 60 seconds but I was kind of flatlined and um and I
think that if it weren't for Taylor the band would be over that is just kind of Weir like the you had enough you checked yeah I had enough I'm tired of losing friends or tired of tired tired of like you know doubting myself and maybe if I just don't even if I'm not doing it at all then I won't have anything to doubt
you know you know what comes along for the ride for you which is interally frustrating I think certainly for people who are fans of your band is that everyone suddenly turns in your direction and goes well she's this cold hard business lady and she's just pulling these strings and she sits at
home with like her glasses on doing the numbers and just going yeah cut them out and you had this chance back in 2010 yeah you could have if you really wanted to no just respect but you know either with Taylor Or Without You could have gone okay cool if that's how it is I'm going to be a solo artist but you seem
to want to always come back I I think it it's funny cuz everyone does want to focus on you know what whether it's about being a girl or being the singer you know it's like this great thing great orange hope or whatever the hell you know people say and then all of a sudden when bad stuff Happ John May was
literally just throwing that out as a joke thing and it did become a thing and it doesn't help that you actually have a company called good D young which by the way deserves an absolute high five that's like the greatest company name ever for of actually out loud when I saw
that but it's just like as soon as bad stuff hits then then you know that thing that's been out there on this pedestal becomes the thing to to comes the Target and and I don't I just the the most important thing for me is just not to put paint myself in a victim kind of light yeah but I will say I just kind of
was done because I was done I my heart was tired and and Taylor told me you know uh we went to coffee one day and um he was like I I'm your friend and I will be your friend if Paramore is a thing and if it's not a thing if you want to write music then we'll write music it doesn't even have to be for it no one
could ever hear it like you just tell me and I'll I'm going to support you and that like having Choice having options you know it's it's up to me ultimately it's not up to someone reading a blog or writing a blog or you know it's not up to anyone and that was I think the first
step to me kind of seeing a little bit of that light at the end of the tunnel you know and then and from that point on he and I whether we were going through anything personally or whatever it just it just shifted the tone of the foundation I think a little bit there was a lot more took some of the pressure
off your yeah cuz it's all it just always seemed to land on you and I just think like when I listen to sou titled I hear you and you and and Jeremy or whatever but I don't just hear the the Haley Williams Show you know I feel very much and I think that's very evident in this album the guitar sounds the Rhythm the
groove so much of this sound is is you know clearly about the chemistry that you have as a band um did Haley come out and say that flat out to you like I think I'm done was it that cut and dry um no cuz she's so nice I think I think I think that that's that's 100% what she
wanted to say but she you know she is so like viciously loyal that you know she didn't want to let me down you know so it's kind of that I kind of had to pull it out of her a little bit you know um and and kind of I know that because there's so many times I've wanted to quit this band and so I could just kind
of like tell you know and I I think we like you know to be young and and to have at that at that point been doing it for so long you know I think we were just like man if this isn't like why are we why are we doing this like why you know are we doing this because we're supposed to are we doing this to make
money are we doing this um to prove some sort of point and you know I think I was just like man if if we don't want to be here if you don't want to be here if if we're not passionate about this there is no point you know there's just everything that follows this this record would be made in vain and and everything
that follows that it's like it just sounds like I I don't really want to be a part of it either I can stand in front of anyone and say that there's so much peace now you know we run into each other around town and all that and and and it's so so nice to find that I mean Taylor and I actually got to experience
that moment together cuz we were at the coffee shop talking like about whether we were going to stay in this band or not when we saw Josh and no way at that time yeah yeah it was crazy km it yeah it's just the way that things go and and um you know we we got to I think you
rarely get to experience real um full circle Redemption um in your lifetime um you know on your own like in your own kind of solitude but I think to be able to share that moment me you know with Taylor and this thing that happened that really affected both of our lives and affected Zach's life too and kind of
have closure was so great yeah it was really beautiful and that's an amazing um I'm not even going to use the word coincidence yeah right you can't you can't use wild yeah with that comes Freedom right with that acknowledgement com Freedom strange strange how that works yeah and from that freed Comes
This Record which says a lot says a lot and and the opening statement on the record hard times with an opening lyric that says all I want is to wake up fine tell me that I'm all right and I'm not going to die so basically we're straight in the deep in here on the reality of living life and it's not about painting
a picture this is the ride we're on this is going to be an honest record and I'm going to tell you exactly how it is so I'm going to ask you the question and I'm going to preface it by acknowledging that I absolutely you know have have anxiety issues and have depressed and when I say that because I'm going to ask
you is that something you suffer from now yeah 3 years ago no it kind of I think it was kind of I don't know what happened but now yeah for sure and I think that it gave me um empathy for friends who struggle with I know T like Taylor on the road we both have like had such difficult times um even verbalizing
how we feel about just life um this the roller coaster of touring and being in a band in general and being public um uh it gave me a lot of compassion that I didn't have before CU before I was very much like a one of those people that was just like everything's fine we're good right
everything's great everything's great well maybe you did maybe it was there and you go and you form a band as a teenager and it's just like we're going to just cement over this for a while right and is it any coincidence that about 3 years ago you sort of like started to decide you want to swich it
down and it all comes up it all comes back I mean yeah and we just going through a lot going through life but being an adult now like you can't hide behind you know no responsibilities or what you know it's just all yours it's all on on your plate and um you know I that was hard to reckon with and
um yeah so I mean I I definitely I'm I'm I don't feel like as of right now today um in you know the the general sense I don't feel as dark as I did when we were making the record but I absolutely am not over stuff that we've written about in these songs you know and and that's weird normally we write a record in
hindsight kind of you know and I feel like I'm still living out some of our songs from after laughter in real time and I'll probably be I don't know maybe it'll be good to perform them because maybe then it will give me I'll be looking at them from a different you know place I think so I think it's all
part of the process um you can hear it definitely in the lyrics and that's what's fascinating you know folus musically just for a second straight away we're into this like this tone of what this record's going to provide for us and I'm so glad you kept it what inspired that cuz on song number one I'm
hearing Durand Duran I'm hearing at times I'm hearing Johnny Mah I'm hearing all sorts of Talking Heads all these crazy guitar type influences I mean in your own words part of that was intentional you know like I didn't uh I feel like you know when I started writing after uh you know Josh and Zach
left you know cuz Josh was like the main writer and basically out of necessity no one asked me to do anything I just started locking myself away and writing songs but there was such a like in my head you know I'm just like okay here's this like this thing that that they've created um and what can I do
with it yeah and like and how do I keep how do I try and help keep this going and I think you know my first instinct was like well I'll just do what they did I'll try to write you know songs away that Josh wrote songs and I remember like when I went to LA to to write with Haley I had like 20 ideas to show her
and most of them were just like power riff kind of things and and you know she's just like trying to be really nice and was like oh that's cool um do you have do you have anything else you know and it was like it wasn't until I was all out of ideas and and when I set up my um my little rig I mean my speakers
were on water bottles I was like just trying to like make this makeshift thing I did this really quick thing on this memba sound um and in my head it was going to be this totally different thing just that I was going to mess with on on my own and that turned out to be Ain't
it fun it was this thing that I didn't think she'd like that I just selfishly liked and that whole record was a process of I think me being comfortable with my voice and and then her also just like getting used to something different and so time when Freedom probably getting away from what was it was
liberating was you know and it worked I mean Ain't it Fun was a gamechanging record that's the that's I mean you had you were in the pop cycl I mean that it's fine to go in like headline Arenas and you build your body of work over time but when you have one song that jumps above your catalog like that and
how was that experience just just to kind of sidebar for a second cuz it seems to have informed this record like you haven't buried it you haven't gone like oh we did that we need to go back to something else it's like no we need to run with this well I don't I mean we didn't really intend on it cuz we we
never wanted to make we never really set out to make a pop record with self-titled at all I mean I don't think you listen to other songs on on the album and they're not I mean part two is like one of the heavier things we've ever done and um you know it's it's strange that it happened because we just
loved it we we were in that hotel room that night joking doing like doing our own version of The Gospel Choir like demoing that out and sending it remember sending it to our ARR guy steo and being like I don't know what this is we did this in like 30 minutes he's listening to it and he went I know exactly what
this is so but if anything maybe it just gave us a little bit of Courage you know to you know that we can do just whatever we feel like doing because that's what we should be doing anyway with our music I mean really um we would be doing that regardless of if there were windows and
people could look in or not I think that's what kind of fuels us and this is where we were because like we said earlier we didn't really know if we were going to get to album making ever again like we really just felt like well let's just put one foot in front of the other and start writing yeah and it's funny
because when you hear hard times it just sounds like it sounds so effortless and I'm sure it wasn't but it does um and what I really like as well is that you're sort of serving the purpose of the song in a different way you're going into different we joked about this watching footage of the documentary you go into
different voices because you're like it needs to sound like this rather than like meh which is interesting cuz now you're really subverting and really playing with pop music and really having fun with this right but the song itself is going to be the first record Hard Times going be the first thing anybody
hears like that is a really brilliant bold step and also lyrically to state that I mean how do you pick one song cuz I all the songs to me deserve a moment why that one that was a few car rides of talking Haley's always been right at predicting things and so we really just like we leaning on
Haley's decision like for the first single and she you were just like this voice of reason after we had all these confusing car rides with people and different opinions and and things but when we like put out Riot like I remember it's like an earliest memory of like a good business decision it's
probably the my first one and Haley was like it's got to be Misery Business and that song was like took us to the next yeah changed our musical life and so from then I was just like yo like we can have opinions and my opinion is what does Haley think just because the whole way we're like putting this
record out everything is just like we all contribute and you especially Taylor but like yeah Zach's super emotional I'm super like Ultra way too logical and Haley somehow has got this bridge and like this crazy gut instinct so that we basically just like it's not like she always listens to us it's not this whole
like she makes the call but it's it is a cool like she's able to kind of decipher what we're both saying me and Zach kind of sometimes argue like brothers where we're actually saying the same thing but for some reason we think we're not and I think she can kind of come through we
waste a lot of time it's ni it's it's a treat it's called best friendship it actually is pretty much a life constant I just cut my best friendship off sorry it's done like that oh wow you guys just got back together and it's done like that wow this wasn't the exclusive I was predicting but we'll take it we'll take
it no I just meant I cut him off but I said friendship no I I no I got it I just turned it into something way bigger that's how you guys do this so used to it we didn't even notice Che clothing right we're so used to it aren't we didn't even phas me so used to it didn't even pH me I got it but that's
what I wanted to say is that we believe in in hard times you know and I think for this new record it's like we want we wanted to come out with like a head turner we started showing people the record you know we started for the first time getting outside opinions which
really threw us off and so we were like okay maybe not yeah maybe this isn't smart really what was the worst what's the worst thing somebody said about it that really kind of really you remember that was like wow you don't get this record at all so normally like when you like ask someone and they go you know
did you hear it and they're like yeah um it's it's good that's cool yeah you're like oh man you hated it you hated it but at the end of it but you know what it sounds to me like you double down on it cuz that's the thing it's like all right man you know we're just going to
we're going to press all the buttons here and when it gets into that you it's like oh you must have just been laughing oh that's Taylor by the way no no one would know that but we we did promise we promised that he would sing on this record we promised like fans at shows that he would so amazing so congrats do
you have I mean outside when you're not pretending to be in Flock of Seagulls or on do you have a good singing voice no no no she'll like an angel can you hear that it is a little voice Angel just then yeah I don't he was the first backup singer in Paramore that is true before my voice screaming though to be fair
back in the day no no no no high Harmony no I was my voice was likeon I would call my friends you know be like you know like hey is Zach there and like and you know I'm just you know I'm 12 and I'm just like living my life and it's fine and then you know someone's like hey there's a girl on the phone for you