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Both of us immediately have this in common.
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We were both turned on to play boycotti by our children and now subsequently we wake up filthy every single day. Exactly. How are you, man? I'm good, thanks.
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Yeah, we just saw Playboy Cardi at Rolling Loud. What an experience.
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There's something that I did uh with one of the guys from Rolling Loud that now I can't remember.
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That's a Playboy Cardi uh thing, but um Oh, yeah. The adlib. Yeah. Yeah.
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That was the first concert that I got to see um out of quarantine.
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So, two years with no live music and then I saw Playboy Cardi at an arena and it was like um intense. It was. Yeah. Yeah. in an amazing way.
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No, I I was I thought it was intense also sort of um you know some of the dancers that he had up there.
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These guys were uh really you know had an intense uh look and uh Max.
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Well, I was just going to say the road warrior. Yeah, it really is.
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And it's sort of uh yeah, apocalyptic um and um yeah, very different from uh you know what I imagined it was going to be. Yeah.
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While you had your Rolling Loud experience, you'll never forget it.
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I worked on a movie um where I take my kid uh to a Rolling Loud concert and his mother says, "No, we can't go."
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So I said, "We're going fishing."
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And then of course we go to the concert and I lose him.
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That's the idea of the movie uh that we just uh filmed, but we filmed at the actual Rolling Loud some in Miami because Travis Scott's in the movie and uh so I went on stage for that and um congratulations though when you just won the internet and we haven't even That's unbelievable. I know. That's incredible. Yeah.
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Yeah. when I went on um you know people thought uh oh what you know that's you know an unusual I remember everyone thought that thought that you were just bros and this was just a part of it no no I was playing I was in character
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when I was up there but um but you know it was nice when I met him because then we did a scene and uh he's from Houston and he said that um um he loves uh Wes Anderson and and I spoke with Wes and Wes said yeah Travis Scott sent me some of those shoes that he has. Uh,
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Uh, which it would be funny to see Wes wearing those. How was it?
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How did it feel on stage?
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Just to close the loop on the Rolling Loud era of Owen Wilson.
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Uh, how did it feel on stage?
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It I was, you know, my two boys were there and I think it helped having them there because I knew I couldn't back out of it.
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Yeah, I it was scary going up there and I was talking to uh Travis's kind of hype man uh before I went on and and I just wanted, you know, to make sure, you know, that I wasn't expected to chase. Yeah.
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That I wasn't expected to dance cuz I'm not a dancer.
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And and so I said to him, I said, you know, I'm not I'm not supposed to dance out there, right?
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And he took that to mean like like, can I dance?
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He's like, hell yes, you can dance.
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dance your ass off when you get out there. Yeah, you can dance. And he gave me a shot.
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And then it like it seemed like right in the next second I turned and there's Travis Scott walking back towards me. Amazing.
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And uh and then I was out there and it was like an out-of- body experience and I found myself just, you know, Yeah. the adrenaline.
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Uh you can see how a lot of musicians have a hard time just shutting it down and going to bed when the show ends. It's addictive. It's addictive.
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And we see it, you know, not just in music, we see it in high level athletics.
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They talk about the addiction of, you know, going out there and and winning a game or a championship or striving for that greatness.
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And I wonder whether, you know, to some degree, as you as you continue to forge this beautiful path, right, this wonderful life dedicated to creativity and family, whether it, you know, this that's your addiction to some degree as well, creating and being a part of this kind of making making great things that people love.
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is can does it feel a bit addictive to you?
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It's funny that you say I I would hope that you know Yeah.
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It's it's great to uh you know to be a part of you know telling a story and uh you know making a movie or a show and I always enjoy that you know not so much the you know than having to go out and bang the drum for it. Sorry about this.
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And and uh well, no, no, it's not that.
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It's more that I really like school.
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Uh but I didn't like grades.
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And so, uh it's it's sort of like that, you know, then when it comes out, you kind of, you know, it's like getting grades.
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And it's nice when you get good grades. Yeah.
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Um cuz then your parents aren't mad.
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And that's what we are, right?
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We're kind of your parents, right, as a company.
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Like if I'm reading between the really big lines here, what you're saying is sticks a hit, the parents are happy, and you can stay up a little later tonight. Exactly. Okay, good. Good.
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Glad we set the scene for this conversation.
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But in terms of like I, you know, um being addicted or or you know, um I don't know, it can also feel really good being with your friends and telling a you know, a great story, funny story.
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And um there's a good uh a Salinger quote that um I forget what what character said it, but uh he said, "I'm so tired of not having the guts to be a nobody." That's perfect. I know. That's perfect.
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And so when you say, "Are you addicted to, you know, doing this?"
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Oh, I was like, gosh, I hope it's not like a little applause junkie who just needs to uh get stuff.
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But um yeah, I'm sure um it's it's you know, it's obviously nice.
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Let's get to the engine, the heart of this show, which is congratulations to us and to you because it's a really successful show and people love it and are talking about it. Thank you.
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Um and uh it deals with a very specific um passion which you knew nothing about when when you began to to flesh this out with the creators and the writers. Right. That's right.
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Uh well, I shouldn't say nothing because I've always enjoyed watching uh the big tournament.
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So, I would have watched the famous um tournament in 1986, I think, when Jack Nicholas like won um with my dad.
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Nicholas like won um with my dad. And so I always enjoyed watching those big I watch a lot of sports and uh and so those were always great to watch just seeing the way kind of even before I you know ever played golf because I only started playing for this show but you see the way people react to sort of um pressure and uh and it's really intense
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for for people and so Rory Mroy can miss a three-foot putt that you you know, you and I could make most of the time and it's the only way to explain him missing it is because in that moment the pressure uh affects him and so um so I didn't have you know I I wasn't a complete stranger to golf um and I'd been around it because my dad played and both my brothers were into it. But in
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But in terms of playing myself, I started um you know, when when um when I signed on to do this show and then it's just been something that I've gotten into.
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And so I can see myself um you know, I was playing this past weekend uh with my um with Luke, my brother, in New York.
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And uh I've heard about this this this developing brotherly rivalry. Yes. Yes.
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I was calling myself the sunset samurai cuz he was killing me all day.
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And then as the sun starts to go down, I catch like, you know, fire and just was just absolutely like crushing him towards the end.
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And I was like, the sunset samurai makes another appearance.
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I just love, and please elaborate on this, that you had been learning how to play golf for this role and got to a point where it was no longer on screen only.
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You knew you could probably carry 18 holes.
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So, you set up this round with Luke and didn't tell him. Yeah, exactly.
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My older brother knew because I'd been um you know, he'd been sort of, you know, monitoring my progress and seeing, but Luke had didn't really know that I'd been doing all this.
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So, I was, it was like the ultimate practical joke where I was able to just go out with him one day and just blow his mind.
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And uh what was that first drive like when you actually struck it sweet and he well he just could he first of all I was driving it that day better than him and further.
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So he was just like he he couldn't really get his head around it.
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And uh and then you know what's kind of continued is that um you know when I'm listening to you know music is Luke will do this.
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You'll kind of listen oh I can't wait to sing this song say this song you know when I get on a roll in golf because it's just something that kind of unnerves the other person.
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And uh the one that I was doing uh the other day with Luke was uh that song Black Velvet.
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You know, when I would make a putt, you know, Black Velvet with that uh little boy smile, Black Velvet with that soft southern style. It's just so obnoxious.
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It's basically a version of doing, you know, Queen, we are the champions when we were kids that would, you know, just infuriate the end as well.
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You could turn around just be like party and be like black velvet if you please. Yeah, exactly.
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That's exactly how you do it.
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And then he was doing he of course has to respond and he's doing the zezy top.
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You didn't have to love me like you did like you did and I thank you.
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What a gift for the two of you to be able to share this rivalry at this point in your life.
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You know, I guess that's the beauty of the game because everything else about it is heartbreaking.
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I mean, it's the greatest heartbreaker in sports, I think, because it's the most probably one of the most adopted lifestyle sports.
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And yet, you know, to be good at it, really good at it, you still going to play.
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Well, you're just going to lose so much cuz it's just you against a field of I don't know how many are in a typical tournament.
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It's like, you know, over 60 guys and, you know, even Tiger at the height of his success, you know, um he's not winning.
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um you know even 50% of the tournaments he enters and um my older brother actually he was in Amsterdam last last summer and uh was playing golf with some guys there and he said he's heard from them about the show and uh that one had
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said to him uh yeah it really captures the despair of golf and uh I liked hearing that uh and by the way the guy who said that Andrew said is like a scratch golfer so he's a great golfer and He feels there's so much despair in golf just because there is so much failure. Uh but you know
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Uh but you know and self failure too.
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It's not like you can blame the opponent. It's all on you. Yeah.
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Although I do find a way to blame you know there's somebody will kind of you know kind of drive.
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I mean there's lots of little things that can um kind of you know screw you up or that you can blame um as kind of affecting your concentration.
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So because there aren't too many other sports where you know silence is demanded the way it is in golf which is also sort of interesting.
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I'm trying to think I guess tennis um you know uh you're supposed to be kind of quiet as they're doing stuff but golf is the real um sport that's you know they're not they're not asking for silence when guys are shooting free throws.
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No, that would be a different kind of experience for the NBA.
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Um not the not the first time that you faked it till you made it.
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Um you know that's kind of what acting is to some degree is to figure out whatever the skill was going to be in sports.
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I I I refer to the now infamous short film for girl skateboards. Yeah. Right.
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Which landed for us as skateboarding fans as probably the greatest viral moment before viral moments. Yeah.
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That was like early days internet complete catnip for like trolls.
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It was the greatest front ever. Yeah. I I know.
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I I hear, you know, still to this day, um, you know, somebody will say the, uh, you know, talk about that. Yeah. Right.
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Or, you know, say the line that I say and it, everybody's biting my Uh, but the, um, it's I remember it Spike Jones directed that and, you know, when they asked me to do it, I said, "Yeah, sure. No problem."
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And I think the first day that I was, you know, scheduled to do it, I hadn't really paid attention to, you know, what the, you know, dialogue was.
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And then I looked at it and was like Shakespare.
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It was like, I'm not ready to do this.
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I think I had to like, whoa, let me I I need uh I need some more time to prepare because it is like another language.
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And uh and to be convincing, which was the point. Yeah. To be convincing.
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And uh but the guys that I worked with that day uh the other skaters were all great.
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And people will still think also that that's me who does that trick.
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I know uh in it, but of course that was just a cowboy switch.
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We were all completely stumped by it for a while.
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And that's of course what Spike does, right?
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He suspends any form of belief in with his directing style.
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But you were so good and the skaters around you were so good.
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Everybody was really playing along. Yeah.
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Like they were almost they were playing along with the disbelief that we would all be having as viewers at the time.
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They knew what we would be thinking when we were watching it. Yeah.
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And somehow kind of uh Yeah.
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I just sort of at least on that day I fit into that world in a way that uh in my mind you can't tell me that you can't skate.
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I still believe you can skate.
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I still kind of believe, you know, it's been so many I've I've had so many people um you know, respond to that that sometimes I think I kind of am a skater.
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Um but um yeah, it's certainly one of the Maybe that'll be the next thing that I kind of I'm going to dedicate a couple years.
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I don't know the knees, man.
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We're starting to go for both of us. I hate to be that guy.
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And you may not be a professional skater, but you're certainly the greatest poser I've ever seen on camera in my entire life without a shadow of a doubt. Greatest poser.
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That's the first time that's been a high level compliment. Yeah, exactly.
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That would be a good title for a memoir. The Greatest Poser.
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So, let's um It kind of works for acting, too, to some degree.
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Um, so let's talk about some of the other curiosity points in your career where because I'm always fascinated by the by the art of acting and the fact that you do get, you know, to dedicate for a living some time into really learning how to do something whether it's to fight somebody or sword play or something in the action environment or it's a language or you there's so much that you can learn in films.
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So my question um Owen is can you do you retain it after the film is finished?
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you know, do you feel like you're kind of able to to adopt certain things in your life or do you leave it on set?
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I think that I sort of leave it on set if I ever even had it to leave in the first place because I can't think of too many uh things that I worked on where I really learned a skill.
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Um, you know, I remember on working with Jackie Chan on a western and and I took a bunch of horseback riding lessons and I don't know if I was ever, you know, look like a good rider.
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Um although I did get this, they also had a gun expert and I did, you know, got to where I could kind of twirl the gun and that was kind of uh cool trick, right? Yeah, exactly.
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But um there weren't too many.
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Um I was I worked on um a movie with Paul Thomas Anderson where I was a saxophone uh player and uh I took some lessons and that never took uh I that was just I I could still be studying the saxophone.
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I don't think I'd be able to uh pull That's a difficult instrument.
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Do you play any instruments? I play everything badly.
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I um So you could play the saxophone?
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couldn't play the No, that's that's Thank you for keeping me honest.
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Win instruments you can't just pick up and play badly, but because it requires the whole breathing thing is tricky, but yeah, I mean, I can drums and bass and guitar and Yeah, I can write.
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There were kids at school that you know, the kids that uh you know that were drummers that would have their drumsticks uh that they'd kind of carry around that always look cool. man. That's my identity. Yeah. Yeah.
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Drumming always seemed like maybe from uh the Muppets Animal. Did he play the drums?
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I think they were going more for John Bonham, but maybe I don't know. I mean, both are great.
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You know, that was a great uh documentary, the Led Zeppelin one. I loved it.
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Gosh, I saw that in Atlanta in the theater and it it was just kind of sonic.
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sonic. What about that early show at the Roundhouse when they come on and they're already precociously phenomenal and the crowd is sitting there with their kids like not knowing what to do with their, you know,
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and then you mentioned John Bonham and somehow I had, you know, an image of him as this kind of tough guy and the stuff that had happened with, you know, in uh I think it was San Francisco with Bill Graham, you know, all these kind of crazy stories. Uh but then you hear him
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Uh but then you hear him in that documentary and they kind of build it around his interview that they found and uh he's very sweet, you know, kind of childlike and that's why they probably ended the band uh because of how much obviously he meant to those guys.
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Oh, they were heartbroken. It's well documented.
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You see it kind of at the end when he's talking about each one of them and they have, you know, Robert Plant as he's listening to, you know, Bonham say, "Well, I've known Robert my whole life and he's very, you know, and it's just very kind of sweet."
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Um, and um, yeah, that was great.
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Um, was that a band for you when you were growing up? Yeah. Not, you know, huge.
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Um, I would say AC/DC was probably I wondered why the poster was on the wall and I I figured that maybe you and everyone had a say as to what was going to be going to be on his wall.
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Yeah, I think Led Zeppelin was probably just like slightly um earlier.
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So, um you know that Back in Black album was such a huge uh album, but um AC/DC I saw them in concert here in Los Angeles with Rick Rubin one time. That's pretty fun. Yeah.
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He'd have given you a good inside track on that.
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I mean that Yeah, he produced I think one of their He did and you know going way further back than that.
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No AC/DC kind of know death jam in a way because so much of their music influenced what he was making for the Beasty Boys and ultimately led to his deaf American era.
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I think AC/DC if you asked Rick they're sort of on the four corners of his right you know and that you would sort of think you know uh well who would sort of be the leader of uh AC/DC you everyone knows kind of because of
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the school boy uniform and the kind of duckw walk Angus uh it's actually his brother that was sort of no well no Malcolm who's sort of the you know the one um who's kind of uh it sounds like kind of the leader uh how they were going to sound for each album. They're a boogie band. So, it's all They're a boogie band.
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So, it's all about the rhythm guitar, right?
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So, everyone's obsessed to your point with the with the sort of firing solos and all of the sort of like showmanship that Angus brings, but they are a rhythm and blues band for real. Yeah.
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Yeah. Um, let's let's get to the to the art of of acting for you and what you get a real thrill out of I mean what is the feeling like when you're on set and you inhabit the role and it becomes something that you know is that you can that you can do that's you that become it becomes you to some degree that s of craft of it well I think maybe because I started off uh writing I still get um you know the thing that I really you
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know something a it'll make me feel good is when when I hear like a line um you know when I was kind of you know getting ready to do the the golf show and Luke had said he had uh played with this guy that um you know had screamed after a
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shot this course owes me and uh and that just stuck with me as kind of a funny thing and we kind of put it in uh the idea of uh you know this game takes and it takes takes and it takes well finally it's giving something back to me. So I
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So I like when I kind of something from real life that you kind of hear or or even something I saw they had this in the trailer um you know when the when the kid just smacks a um a shot and I say that's how you pepper a steak.
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that's how you pepper a steak. Uh well that was from I was playing uh tennis uh with a friend and he said that he said his dad used to say that and so I like when I kind of hear stuff in real life that I think is uh good or interesting and funny and then find a way um you
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know for it to work and so with that being said do you feel like you and I mean this as a compliment because well you're such a great writer I know that's how you got your start writing and and working with wares and everything else and bottle rocket from the very beginning Mhm. Do you feel that your role on camera is
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Do you feel that your role on camera is more not entirely, but more of a of a vehicle to to kind of honor the writing than it is a personal kind of uh aspiration to to to to thespian, if that's even a word. I like it.
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If it's not it's it's I I'm not thinking of, you know, honoring the writing.
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I'm I'm thinking of, you know, just how do you make something sound real or make a scene sound good?
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And I think um you know uh if I have a strength, it's maybe having a good ear.
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And so um usually I'm able to kind of hear if something sounds to me um you know, believable or good or interesting.
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And sometimes it's not enough for something to sound believable because it's also got to be interesting.
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It's just kind of being, you know, greedy for good stories and uh and then loving when I, you know, hear a good story or something kind of interesting.
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Did you want to be an actor or did you want to be a writer?
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If you really trace it back looking back on the beginning now or a director, was being an actor a big part of the puzzle or was it something that you just were gravitationally drawn towards?
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Well, it wasn't, you know, necessarily either one.
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It was only kind of meeting Wes in college and him really wanting to be a director and then uh the two of us just kind of started to you know work on writing something but it was really him sort of driving it and then and you were roommates right? Yeah.
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And then in terms of the acting Yeah.
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After we wrote something Wes you know wanting uh Luke and me to act in it and okay we'll see how this goes.
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But still, even when we, you know, had finished uh the short film that we did, it was basically the first act of Bottle Rocket.
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And when we came out, when Jim Brooks brought us out uh to Los Angeles, I always kind of expect, oh, they'll probably want to cast some real actors.
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Then um just started getting uh acting work after that.
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And so it just sort of, you know, kind of fell into it.
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You know, Ben Stiller was talking to us a couple of days ago.
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He was talking about um casting and about auditioning people and how you know often you have to just trust your instincts more than what you're seeing in the audition itself and trust that the person's got something and he referenced your audition for Cable Guy and how you know he felt that at the time. Yeah.
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That wasn't a great audition. Yeah.
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And that was one of the ones I felt was one of the ones I that I did feel was great.
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That just shows the Rashimon experience. Yeah.
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But that he saw in you that this amazing person that was going to go on to do cool things and he wanted you to be in the movie because he believed in you but he was like the audition he was like this guy's not ready. This guy's not prepared.
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Uh which would continue maybe to be a theme in our relationship cuz Ben would accuse me of Owen likes to keep it fresh by not reading the script.
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uh which um but I think it was also he says that Jud Appattow really uh you know was a producer on that and was really uh pushing for me.
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Maybe that was actually maybe that was the DJ.
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But um yeah, you know, maybe uh he was saying that but uh but you know that the funny that you bring up the kind of audition thing because I worked uh on that movie as good as it gets where um I because Jim Brooks produced Bottle Rocket.
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So I was kind of hanging around during that process and I would read sometimes with people that would come in, you know, and a lot of great actors came in to read for those roles that Greg Conir and um really was the Greg Conir part that all these great actors were coming in.
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But it was interesting, you know, seeing that that oh this guy gets nervous too or this sounds, you know, nobody reads that great because it's such a fake environment.
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all of a sudden you're sitting in a room like this, but you're supposed to be some and it's just there's such an unreality to it.
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And there was actually a great thing that David Mamemoth wrote about the whole casting process about how kind of ridiculous it is.
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And um I really agreed with the points that he was making that the best way uh to cast something would be to um you know try to spend a little bit of time around a person and see if you know maybe they have some of the qualities that um you know that you could use for uh a character.
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But certainly less performative, right?
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I mean the idea of someone showing off for three minutes is too performative, right?
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And there are, you know, but there are people probably that are great at, you know, auditioning but might not be as interesting as somebody who's maybe uncomfortable with auditioning.
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And in the same way that, you know, there's plenty of writers in um in Hollywood that make a very good living because they're great at pitching stuff.
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You know, they're good salesmen and they're good at talking in a room.
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Whereas you have somebody like Neil Simon who's kind of shy and comes in and he's maybe intimidated speaks for itself and and can't really uh sell uh you know his idea.
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So um um yeah that that whole and also the idea with I think it's just so hard to be an unknown and to break into something because almost always they're looking for somebody you know that oh I saw this guy in this movie that guy let's get him in this.
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So the idea of somebody that you've never seen coming into a room, um although I'm saying that and then the kid in stick, Peter, he just came in uh you know, and auditioned and just had something great and um you know, we kind of um you know, read some scenes together and uh yeah, you could just see this uh that he just there's just something kind of interesting.
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just something kind of interesting. So um this this really beautiful relationship that started as roommates that has gone on to contribute so many wonderful scenes, films, scripts and and collaborations with Wes and you know I'm I'm one of those people with Travis Scott and millions and millions of other
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people who uh just admires Wes's film making so much and it it's apart from the you know the amazing storytelling and the art design and the and the framing and all the beautiful things that he's known for the writing um he whoever he works with to help create the ensem ensemble is is art in itself because the casting is always so perfect and surprising at times too. And I just
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And I just wanted to ask how what the experience has been like for you thus far kind of uh being part of these ensemble experiences with Wes and finding yourself on set with this group of people whether it's Ten Bombs and it's Gene Hackman and Gwyneith and you and Ben and Angelica and like this powerhouse but everyone's playing these roles that defer to each other in the most beautiful way. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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I think that, you know, the the way that um you know, uh certainly after the life aquatic, uh Wes really decided um you know, when he's making something to try to keep it sort of more contained and not so much the typical thing where everyone has their trailer and staying in different places and um so it becomes sort of a thing where you're all together and you're sort of a troop of um you know, like-minded people trying to tell a story. Yeah. And and it feels good.
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And I think that's why, you know, uh he's able to get uh you know, all these great actors because uh well, of course, you want, you know, when you work on something, you you want to, you know, have something that has a chance to be good.
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And if you're doing something with Wes, um it's got a better chance than normal of being good and something that's going to connect with people and mean something to people.
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And uh of course, that's the best feeling.
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And so it's funny that um everybody kind of thinks, oh, you know, you want your trailer and you want kind of to stay, but then when you're actually put in this situation where you're all staying together, you're all having dinner, uh well, it's actually really fun and it's kind of a nicer way uh to make something.
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And um and I think that some of that feeling um you know um you know probably finds its way into Wes's movies.
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as close as you are with him, I'm sure there's moments when, you know, you're watching the cut back with everybody else. Um, I'd imagine.
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Um, you know, and I I wonder sort of what that experience is like for actors.
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I I typically just don't watch stuff that I've worked on.
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Uh, so because it's just an unpleasant experience.
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just an unpleasant experience. I just don't you know so even uh if I'm you know you know sometimes you're forced to uh because of the situation to see something and uh I just don't get anything out of it other than you know it feeling like a very uh negative experience because well yeah it's like that you know the way you know I always say this when you know back with hearing your voice on answering
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machine people are always like whoa uh well it's kind of the same thing I have an image in my mind when I was doing it and um and it's really good the image I have in my mind and then when I'm confronted um you know sometimes with the actual
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thing I'm like ah that doesn't seem uh quite right and so um yeah I I just don't uh I really try to avoid it but then years later I can kind of see something and then I'm able to sort of be more objective but it's just very hard. I mean, is there a film that jumps
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I mean, is there a film that jumps out for you that in time has become something you've been able to appreciate almost like we appreciate it? Not really.
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Uh, you know, somehow, uh, what just came to mind is the some of the bloopers from, uh, meet the parents, like the scene with, you know, uh, Dairo says, uh, Greg's a nurse.
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And uh you know a scene like that the bloopers I can enjoy because it's funny seeing Dairo start laughing and see Ben and I start laughing in uh in the later scene when he's you know saying about his girlfriend.
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You know she just has the nicest things to say about you.
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And I'm like oh that's great. Yeah she was a tom cat.
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uh you know and you drift off looking off and Ben kind of looks to see where I'm looking and you're just like like you're right back there.
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I'm just right there seeing and then I think I even go like so something like that actually like a little glisteny as well when you're doing there's something going over it's just every part of it is just super offputting. Yeah.
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So that scene while we were doing it was funny to Ben and me cuz you know that's in the bloopers.
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We're you know hard keeping a straight face doing it.
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But uh so something like that I can really um you know um I can really enjoy you know Hackman um just passing you know seeing some of the stuff some of those scenes um you know that he did in tenon bombs. Yeah. What happened? What happened? I had money on you.
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It's It's one of the most heartbreaking parental scenes like like dad to son scenes ever cuz it's so funny but at the core of it it's like everything that's wrong. Yeah. Right.
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Everything is in that moment. Yeah.
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And then Ben and him you know uh lights out and uh Antman's like I'm in the middle of a sentence and he's like you're going to have to finish it in the morning.
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And I think he says Dems's the rules.
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which is now kind of making me uh uh remember in Stars Ski and Hutch when uh Ben is, you know, I think somehow, you know, done a lot of drugs and then is in like a dance scene kind of and I'm kind of putting him to bed and I call him Tiny Dancer and Ben keeps saying we was robbed.
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Uh, and somehow saying the Wu Z like like he's out of the little rascals like we was wrong.
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That's really funny to me. Oh man.
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I mean, does it happen a lot where sort of people come up to you and sort of quote you?
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sort of quote you? cuz I was talking to Ben about this and he he laughed a lot when I did that and he was like yeah I mean I get the focus thing and I get some dodgeball stuff and you know it kind of reminds you that hey you know these these are more than just days on set and and and movies and TV programs
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like they they become part of our vernacular right like someone's walking around doing the saying that we was robbed to somebody right yeah yeah no that's I that's a great uh you know sometimes when somebody will quote something back uh and it could be a line well it's just nice to know that um Yeah, that the line connected with them. Um,
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Um, like Hansel was like a big one.
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Like I mean we would I mean that would be like whenever anybody would do anything to someone would show up to a party and they tried a little bit harder than the rest of us and we'd all be like Hansel. Exactly. So hard right now.
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And then um you know there were even um yeah um I was thinking of a Jim Brooks ADR line that he gave us on Bottle Rocket.
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um you know that's every once in a while somebody will quote that line and that's a line that occurs off camera and that's kind of a testament to uh you know to Jim how uh funny he is that he could have pitched that line and you know that one gets quoted back.
35:14
You've got a great counterpart on stick with Mark Marouin who you know many people will now know for his take on things from his podcast and what he does standup comedy obviously and he shows up very deliberately and always always in a really great way on screen.
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So how was it kind of those early scenes with him and sort of developing that chemistry between the caddy and yourself as the as the fallen golf pro? Yeah.
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Um it wasn't something that we had to work very hard at.
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he kind of just, you know, the way he had a real kind of handle on uh his character and it's a character who's kind of over it and um you know, he's very different from uh Price, not a lot of enthusiasm and uh and so it's kind of nice for me to kind of uh play scenes off him.
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Uh you know, Mark also, you know, there's like some real kind of emotion uh that he has.
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real kind of emotion uh that he has. And I I remember um you know when we were doing this one scene and sometimes just like in real life the way you can kind of get ambushed by emotion um I wasn't expecting uh you know to you know play
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the scene uh this way but I just kind of heard his voice kind of catch and it just kind of caught me off guard and it was just a you know you know then then it kind of uh you know um you know before you know it you're you're kind of uh your eyes kind of uh can kind of water up. Um and um that's just kind of
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Um and um that's just kind of the um the fun sometimes of of acting.
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It it it just becomes sort of like real life.
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Um because you just feel something from another person.
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Um but then also I'm, you know, thinking of Judy Greer, um who plays my, you know, ex-wife and doing stuff with her.
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Um, it was just really um I don't know that was that stuff was really it's just nice when you're when somebody's kind of on the same page with you uh sense of humor wise straightfaced comedian you know and just stuff that you find kind of more than sense of humor just the stuff that you're kind of sensitive uh about and so um I felt Mark and Judy that we all kind of worked uh well together.
37:32
That's brilliant casting.
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That's brilliant casting. I mean, the first episode you press play and it starts and you get to see you doing you almost like a standup scene where you're selling and it's just brilliant like it's like charming and it's comedy and it's this and big guy we got you and oh my god you're going to be unstoppable
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and it's just like oh I missed this I really love seeing you in that in that role and back to what you were saying kind of about you know uh honoring the writing or sort of the acting you know I think that uh one thing that I do like is if you do find a good character, I like to just keep going with a character. Uh, and maybe that's
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Uh, and maybe that's from, you know, not having a real, you know, background of like studying acting where, you know, that isn't necessarily what drives me.
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I want to find like somebody, you know, really different from what I played.
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I'd rather find one really good character and just keep going. Yeah.
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um you know the way uh um you know um just the way any life can be interesting.
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With that being said, I mean I I'd like to assume we're going to see you in the new Meet the Parents. Yeah.
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Uh John Hamburg, who directed the last two episodes of Stick, is directing it and wrote a great script and um actually ran into Dairo um the other day at the airport and um and uh yeah, he seems excited.
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Uh so I think it'll be great.
38:57
What happens when you run up on Robert Dairo at an airport?
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Well, in this instance, it was really well, he he was kind of doing a bit on me because he had a mask on.
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And so I didn't know it was him and uh he kind of went up and kind of, you know, uh kind of, you know, tapped me and that's, you know, okay, that's a little somebody tapping you.
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Uh and then I'm like, okay.
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And then he said he's a big fan. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then when somebody says they're a big fan, that always puts me a little bit kind of on alert.
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It's like, okay, you know, those are the ones you kind of like, okay, this guy, what's this guy going to be?
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And then he kind of pulled his mask down and uh and his um yeah, his friend was kind of watching it all, laughing.
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Um so um yeah, uh what a life.
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But the funny thing also then, you know, then um I was asking, well, what did I look like?
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and she was saying, "Oh, you could see your body language is like, oh gosh, you and uh and then while she's telling that, Bob was kind of like laughing and when he's laughing kind of it's just like you've seen in, you know, movies."
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So, uh that Dairo uh face kind of he got the desired response. Yeah. Um what a life.
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And I and I I commend you for, you know, continuing to honor the work and doing great work whilst building a family and finding balance in a strange city where you tell stories for a living.
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You know, it's doesn't always work out.
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And uh I know that you know um you've you've lived a life and continued to to to give us great great joy through your work, man.
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And I I thank you for your time today, dude. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, that was great. [Music]