The way I like to work is like I like to go basically wake up obsess over something go to bed wake up obsess go to bed like every second of the day until I just have a mental breakdown and burn out and then I like take a day off or maybe a day and a half off and I like to go right back to it.
So I don't like work certain days.
I just go as hard as I can every ounce of my entire body until I just crash.
All right, in this episode we are going to talk about One second.
Look, we got to let the guy Mr.
Beast actually do the intro.
Guys, in this we're going to teach you how to make a [ __ ] million dollars.
If you don't have a million dollars we're going to show you in this podcast.
All right, that was way better than us. Yeah, that's right. Mr.
Beast the biggest YouTuber in the world joined us on My First Million and Hasan Minhaj one of the biggest comedians in the world.
We did a four-person pod in person. This is kind of amazing.
Yeah, so look check this out.
I think Sean actually mentioned this on the podcast but about 3-4 weeks ago he said he's going to create this thing called Camp MFM.
So basically he rented a house a big old mansion in North Carolina and he DM'd like 20 different people a bunch of different founders and a bunch of interesting people but then he also DM'd Mr.
Beast and Hassan and he told them to come.
I didn't actually think they were going to show up and so we were just sitting here at night recording a podcast and they walked in and joined us and it was amazing.
Yeah, it was crazy seeing one of the biggest YouTubers in the world one of the biggest comedians in the world.
They kind of interviewed each other and they talked about their creative process what they're self-conscious of what it's like to work for them how much they put into each thing that they do. It was pretty nice.
Yeah, it was I mean it was amazing.
They they made fun of me at first cuz I was nervous and I was it was awesome. Yeah, it was a big deal. It was awesome. Um so check it out.
I think you're going to dig it. Wait, hold on. Are we rolling? We're rolling. All right, we're live. We're doing it.
If it's not recording you're just not getting it.
Yeah, you're not getting it dude.
You're not getting Jimmy. All right, we're live.
Wait, what were we saying?
This is the most interesting crossover ever. Yes. Yeah.
Why are the are the four of us sitting here? I have no idea.
Let's put him on the spot cuz he seems the most nervous. Me?
No, he's like THE BODY LANGUAGE DOCTOR.
BODY LANGUAGE GOOD RIGHT? I'm nervous?
It's cuz I'm wearing these shorts. Yeah, bro.
You're wearing the shorts though.
We also got a live audience here. Why is why what is this?
So there's 30 men in this house. Why?
Why is there a sausage fest? Give us answers.
the power of Sean's So here listen here's the deal.
So the story was is that you wanted to do this and it happened in 3 weeks?
Yeah, I just hit up a bunch of people.
Actually you know what the way it really came together was I just tweeted it out because if you do that [ __ ] like you know just it's like a luck magnet good things can happen and a hundred something people signed up for it.
I was scrolling through the names and it's like what's your Twitter handle and one of them said Mr. Beast.
And I was like but I but I was like it's a Google form. Anybody could write Mr. Beast.
I was like oh yeah whatever some jackass.
Then he DMs me he goes this sounds fun.
And I we don't know each other.
Yeah, I don't know him at all.
And he's like I was like oh [ __ ] that was real. Oh [ __ ] this is on.
We're going to do it now and then I was like uh he's like where are we doing it?
And I was like where does Mr. Beast live? North Carolina.
I was like yeah we're thinking about doing it near Duke.
He's like okay I'll come then and then I got everybody else in after that.
You follow him on on Twitter.
Uh Ben from How to Take Over the World like retweeted him and I was like who's this guy?
And then I tapped and he just tweeted like 5 seconds ago I'm hosting an NBA camp for like entrepreneurs.
So I was like oh this looks cool and then I just applied.
That's how crazy luck is.
I don't know who this is but I mean basketball sounds fun.
And then he calls me last week he's like Yo I'm coming but like I don't know who you are so like what's your deal? And here we are. But you you do that.
You just walk around and call people.
Yeah, well I just like learning.
I mean that's how you just did you hear how he got connected with Ben? No.
All right, so Ben over here he is our producer and he hosts this amazing podcast called How to Take Over the World.
And I get how did you find it?
Uh bro this is going to get so many levels deep.
No one has any idea what we're even talking about.
No, they do because who's sitting there told me to listen to How to Take Over the World.
So I listened to it who retweeted his tweet about the camp and here I am.
You know what's funny about that whole story?
He's like yo this is dog [ __ ] content cuz on YouTube you had to be on point like in the first 10 seconds you needed to like grip people.
He's like this is their podcast?
got over 20 ways we could optimize this better in my head. What are they? What would they be? Let's go. I've already 20 ways.
what this podcast is it's a brainstorm.
We've already switched topics like five times and we didn't really hit them with like a hard one at the start.
Like what would have been better if it's like I don't know you like you told some crazy story or something like to hook them or like I don't know or intro him or me for the ones who don't know so then like they're like oh now I know I should have listened.
Like All right, host the podcast for a second.
Guys, in this we're going to teach you how to make a [ __ ] million dollars.
If you don't have a million dollars we're going to show you in this podcast.
Like something like that.
Now they're going to listen.
so here's what's interesting. We got me and Sam.
We got Hasan Minhaj who's a famous comedian Netflix special.
We haven't announced it yet but yeah sure. BREAKING NEWS. WE GOT JIMMY AKA MR. BEAST.
Craziest crossover Yeah, it's a wild just met tonight.
We met like an hour ago yeah.
All right, give me your first impressions.
What do you think of uh Mr. Beast? cool guy.
Yeah, he seemed really cool.
What did you think coming in?
I just knew he was a a big like prank stunt.
He's the he's the voice of YouTube.
He's the voice of a generation.
or he's how you thought he'd be?
Yeah, I thought I feel like I feel like his uh his turn too.
I feel like his like curiosity enthusiasm all that stuff is really cool.
Yeah, I I listened to him on Rogan he was really he's really fascinating. And what about you?
What was your first impression?
Uh I mean kind of the same thing like it was I mean you were just easy to talk to which I think was very nice.
Like we were talking for like an hour.
Yo Sean Sean just turned this into Indian matchmaking so fast.
Hold hands just hold he's got that ring on his finger he's taken. Yeah, I'm taken.
Dude, you said so he said something really interesting to me earlier.
We were just you and I were shooting the [ __ ] Oh god what is it?
And we're we're talking about business.
I I I think I you said Elon Musk is like you I don't know if you said hero but you're like I think he's like the pinnacle of entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurship yeah.
And I was like well what what are you what's going to be your SpaceX or what's going to be your like big rocket thing you know?
And you said well Elon had Zip2 when he was around my age.
So Zip2 was like his peer filing his peer sharing service that he sold and he made like 20 or 30 million dollars. Yeah.
And then he took that and he did PayPal and then whatever else he did.
And you said something like you know I think I can build like a hundred billion dollar company but if I'm being modest I'll build a couple a couple at least billion dollar companies.
But but then but and then you go but I don't really care about the money I just love winning. I just want to win. And I was like Yes. I'm about this. I like that.
like money is cool but you know I I live in my studio I don't have like a mansion I don't drive a Lamborghini so it's like I like money cuz it can I can hire more people and grow my business but not so I can like increase my lifestyle or whatever.
So which you know most people when you say it that's why I like I prefer to say I love winning cuz it it kind of encapsulates it a little bit more cuz if if you just like you know talk about money then people just think you just want to buy expensive stuff.
Do your employees who We we went to his office today or we went to his studio and he's like took us on a tour cool this where we blow [ __ ] up.
This this guy's traveling and blew me off by the way. Yeah yeah yeah.
You you were in Canada flight delays blew him off. Kidding kidding.
Uh but we we walk through he's like all right yeah this is this boardroom this is my office.
And so we go in and it's basically like imagine like kind of like a gaming chair computer that's standard.
Next to it like two other objects in the room. Just take a any guess. Uh that he had? Yeah.
A Nalgene water bottle and uh Does he have a bench press on the floor?
A bench press directly next to the desk?
And then the walls were just like a Steve Jobs quote an Elon quote a Steve Jobs quote.
And then there's like a timeline like at this age Steve Jobs was here.
At this age Steve Jobs Holy [ __ ] You're motivated by that [ __ ] Uh ahead of it.
Also some of those Elon quotes aren't even real.
I love to just put fake Elon quotes so if people read it to see if they're like oh that's inspiring or it's just completely made up. not that insightful.
One was just the one right in front of your desk goes work super hard. Elon Musk.
No, that's one of the real ones but I have my assistant like trying to find the dumbest thing Elon's ever publicly said so I can put mixed with all the real quotes just to see if people believe him or not. Were you good at school? Were you No, horrible. Really? God awful. Wow, okay.
Yeah, that was like I mean I would act like I was studying but you know I was filming videos.
I actually my entire high school career never brought my book bag home or anything.
I would just like throw it under like the bleachers and then in the morning I'd just grab it.
Your first video is what you were like 12 right?
Yeah, oh actually I started making them when I was 11. Yeah.
Wow, holy [ __ ] And yeah and it's crazy cuz I see 11-year-olds now they're like this tall and squeakers and I'm like how was I making videos?
This this kid looks Is your first video still live?
Uh no because I got embarrassed cuz people would play it in class so I deleted my channel and then I made a new one when I was 13.
So little What but the 13-year-old videos are still up?
Yeah, 13 are still Wow, okay.
He had one that's dope that's like a message to myself in 5 years. Uh call in a shot.
Dude, you know what he's talking about?
So the the greatest thing I ever did in my life is when I was studying for a history test like back in long time ago when I had like 8,000 subscribers. I was like screw this.
I just closed my book I threw it on the floor and I just recorded a video.
I schedule uploaded a video for 6 months and I go hi me in 6 months I think I'll have 100,000 subscribers whatever or no 10,000 subscribers.
I was like and then I hit stop recording I hit record.
Hi me in a year and I schedule up cuz you can upload videos to the future video a year out.
I was like you better have 100,000.
And I was like hi me in 5 years.
Bro if you don't have a million subscribers you're a [ __ ] idiot.
And I just would talk to me 5 years from now and I was just like talking about the channel but I filmed it when I had 8,000 subscribers a long time ago and then I did hi me in 10 years blah blah.
So 10 years hasn't come out yet but hi me in 5 years came out and my prediction was I'd have a million subscribers.
So it goes live on the channel like 2 years ago and I had like 40 million subscribers.
But in the video that goes live it's like here's the date here's the time.
I'm like a [ __ ] stupid teenage kid and I'm like, I hope you have at least a million subscribers and maybe you're doing this as a job. I don't know.
I make like 10 bucks a month right now.
Like I hope you can make it a job in the next 5 years.
And they went public and I completely forgot I even did that.
And I just I was like, oh [ __ ] I opened up YouTube and I saw it and everyone thought it was I thought it was one of the coolest things I ever did.
Wow, and you're like a little kid in it.
Yeah, and so in like 3 more years hide me in 10 years goes up and I'm like Do you remember what's in it?
It I'm just like, I hope by now you should be out of college.
Yeah, you're definitely out of college.
I think that's how I started it.
And you should be doing YouTube full-time.
Like there's just no world you're not after 10 years.
Like you're probably making a little bit of money. I just hope you are.
Like I hope you didn't And how much were you at the time?
Uh like I was at 8K subs like making 10 bucks a month.
And so my prediction in 10 years was like, I hope you're doing this as a job.
And so when that goes up, I think that's going to be crazy.
And when when we were talking today, you like you talk with a lot of certainty about like where you're going, what you're doing.
There's like very like if everybody's got this knob that's like doubt your knob's set to zero on doubt.
That's my that's my I don't know. Is that accurate?
Uh yeah, well the thing is we I don't know.
We probably spend like 20 30 times longer thinking of ideas than other people.
We probably film like 10 times more than other people.
We probably spend 100 times for a video more than other people.
So it's like we put in the effort, but I don't I don't know how to say it where it's not arrogant.
I just believe in what we're doing. You know what I mean?
But back then like how much do you think you believed when you when you recorded that video that that that was actually going to happen?
I mean those were just different times.
That was in the middle of [ __ ] nowhere or Calabasas.
So it's like everyone, you know, constantly wanted to remind me you're not going to be a YouTuber. Grow up. Be realistic.
I think it's amazing that you never left North Carolina though.
Yeah, you're still in [ __ ] North Carolina.
What are you talking about?
I'm trying to make it not [ __ ] anymore, but it's a work in progress.
Do you still rap it really hard?
Uh I mean I just I got a lot I mean some of these people over here work there.
I just got a lot of people and it's too much to move.
What was what was your metric instead of subscribers and like views when you were younger because with with with business it's like revenue or employees.
You guys are both business, but you're also like a more creative thing. So what was yours?
Yeah, when I was coming up it was probably Can you do a set on late night?
Can you do like a Conan set?
Yeah, could you could you be on I'll be a I'll be a cast member of SNL.
Like those were the metrics kind of those like legacy media comedy institutions. I'll be in a movie.
I want to be in a sitcom.
I want to be in a TV show.
And what it feel like when you started actually like, you know, the Daily Show and selling out?
Yeah, that felt like a real like kind of check mark.
Like wow, you you've turned the corner in your life and your career moment.
that like right before that happened you were living in a basement?
I was living in an attic, bro. Yeah, yeah.
Attics are actually above sea level, but basements are below sometimes, you know?
So yeah, I was living like a kind of in a not a great situation though.
How I'm amazed at your confidence, bro.
The level of the level of confidence like the In the video?
[ __ ] No, just the sheer amount of confidence you have cuz I I still think maybe a downside of comedy is you have to have like a very high level Well, comedians are usually self-deprecation and self-awareness to be like, you know what I mean?
Well, you told me something cuz I was like trying to be funny.
And you sent me these like iMessage things that are like just gold.
You just sent me these voice notes.
And one of the things you had said He was trying to write a he was like trying to do kind of like a comedy monologue. Yeah.
YouTube video it's up there.
17,000 views no big deal.
Um so but but you gave me a little hit. You go ego in this man. Bro, you started at 8K. I'm at 17K.
I'm at least going to be better.
But he said something you go comedy is low low status game. You start low status.
And you told me is that a trade secret or can you tell Yeah, yeah.
You you know, it's like there's high status and low status.
Generally if you're low status they're going to empathize with you. You know what I mean?
So So like what's an example?
Like you get on stage like I I got 17,000 views in front of a guy who gets like 50 million views.
But but we're going to but we're going to empathize more with you than we are with Mr.
Beast in that scenario because you're like oh man, you know?
And if you're if you're like funny about it and to be confident about um that well, if if you kind of own it, people are like, oh like I Even just now we did like an awkward icebreakers of the group.
If you and I was thinking about this cuz you know, I my prompt was say your name and say one thing nobody in the in the room knows about you. Yeah.
Which was basically like you can't be like, I'm Mr. Beast.
I make a bunch of YouTube videos.
I'm you know, you it's like you can't use your claim to fame.
You got to use something else. Right.
And everybody was saying something interesting and then I think Sully was the first one who was just like I played one game of Little League baseball in my life because I [ __ ] my pants and they wouldn't let me come back. really great.
Yeah, that was low status.
But he did a low status one where everybody else was saying a fun like a cool fact about them. He went low.
And somebody else was like, you know, I remarried my ex-wife which makes me either the biggest idiot in the world or I guess the biggest idiot in the world.
Hey, he's like, hey group, share something no one on the planet knows. No one.
And then a 5 minutes later, all right podcast, here's what they said. Yeah, yeah.
I mean [ __ ] your [ __ ] your pants at Little League pretty yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty low status.
And then yeah, being like, all right, I double backed and married my ex-wife again. Like yeah. Like no one knows this.
Jimmy, were were you confident as a as a kid? In the career? Yeah. Just as a kid.
Uh no, I had a [ __ ] god awful acne when I was younger.
I still have a ton of acne scars.
So it made it even worse.
are you not confident about?
So you're confident in your work and your ability to hit a certain goals whether revenue targets it leads me to honestly, I'm still trying to get confident speaking in front of large groups of people.
Which made me want to ask you a question cuz we were talking about stand-up.
How um So let's say if I dedicated my life to trying to be a stand-up comic, how long do you think it would take for me to get good at it?
I mean it What's the typical curve for Everybody says it takes you 10 years to get good, but I just think it all depends on um like your natural capacity and inclination for it.
Like there's some people I've seen when they're open micers they're amazing.
You know, they just have great stage presence. They have great stories.
They're they're amazing on stage.
So there's people like that comics that I've met where I'm like the first time I saw them they were amazing.
Um Jerrod Carmichael was like that. He was incredible. He was just incredible. He was so comfortable.
We would do open mics and he would just everybody was doing was turning left and he was just turning right.
Like he just his his vulnerability, his stage presence.
People would do their set.
He would do things where like it'd be like a Conan showcase and everyone would do their polished material.
You're like, hey, what's up?
I'm Hassan and you know, dating's hard.
He would just get up and just off the dome like kind of do a brand new set that night. And you could tell.
You could tell you're like oh, this is kind of crazy.
So how long do you think it would take him to get good?
I don't I mean it's that's like the question you just asked is like, how long would it take me to be as as good as Ariana Grande at singing?
You're like, how would I even They're like it's not a it's not a hack like or if you asked if you asked like a MMA fighter like, how long would it take me to get as good as you at like it's a oh, thank you.
It's a See, that's a little you you put them in low status.
You offered the two waters to me. Now I feel weird.
Now I got to put the water on the side.
Now I got to put the water on the side. Now dude, low status. Now I'm low status. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I have to I have to I have to give Mr.
Beast his water, you know what I mean?
Jimmy, what are you what are your You like you you legacy media hack.
And I just got I got to pour the water for him in the end.
Get the [ __ ] out of here.
Is your company ran like a normal company at all?
Or and what would your employees say about working with you?
Uh I mean Tariq, you want to just come say hi? I don't know. That's a trick question. That's a trick question. I don't know.
Have you had like how did you learn how to run a company?
Do you ever had you did you have to hire someone?
That's what's hard cuz like yeah, sure he wants come on in.
That that there's a couple questions. Yeah, you take over.
So the question was like What's it like working with him? Oh, it's great.
I mean it's always different. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
NO, HERE'S HERE'S THE THING. HERE'S THE YOU'RE FIRED. I'M FIRED. I'M ALREADY FIRED. I'm already fired.
I mean how like How's Tariq going to answer that, BUT NOT HE PAYS THE BILLS.
ASK A ASK A BETTER QUESTION.
LET ME ASK YOU a better question. All right.
So the better question is what's the What's the like extreme either extreme good part or extreme bad part about working with him?
We know it's overall extreme.
Actually I will I will say that right now for real.
The extreme good part is is the experiences like I've done experiences that I've never could have imagined in my entire life like the traveling, the doing the coolest stunts that we've ever done.
Uh The the worst part is is I guess not knowing like what's next in terms of routine and he knows this best too.
Like we all kind of go through it if if you work at Mr. Beast.
So but that comes with it. You know what I mean?
And and that's something that you kind of have to accept.
Um but yeah, I think that's my answer. All right.
Well, and the reason I was asking was because uh You're your favorite boss and a great person. So far 100% yes. Well, no.
I was I was asking cuz my my employees sometimes would complain that I'd be like too aggressive, changing things too much.
But you seem more aggressive than I am. Yeah.
And for a certain type of person they like that.
But for you to achieve your goals, you're going to have to have a lot of people and then every once in a while process and every once in a while infrastructure and every once in a while planning. a perfectionist? Well, of course. Yeah.
Um you know, it just I just like to make the greatest YouTube videos possible and that's that's literally all I want.
So yeah, I mean if it's not the greatest video, I just won't upload it.
And so after you scrap a few videos, we kind of everyone, you know, just kind of starts to figure it out.
Does it scare you that you can't stop?
Do you ever feel like, damn I'm like I'm I'm just throwing all these coals on the on the embers of the the algorithm.
I I like to use fair analogies. It's like a treadmill. We're on like 12.
Like at 12 speed and I've been going at a couple of years.
No, it doesn't scare me, but so I like I was telling him, the way I like to work is like I like to go basically wake up, obsess over something, go to bed, wake up, obsess, go to bed.
Like every second of the day until I just have a mental breakdown, I burn out and then I like take a day off or maybe a day and a half off and I like to go right back to it.
So I don't like work certain days.
I just go as hard as I can every ounce of my entire body until I just crash.
And somehow that's sustainable.
What time What time do you sleep?
Uh right now usually around 3:00 a. m. Wow. Yeah.
And then what And then And then you get up at like Whenever Whenever Rohan or one of them knock on my door.
Tariq will wake you up and just be like Well, yeah, people will roll me out of bed.
They're like, "You need to go watch this video so we can submit it or I need help with the thumbnail or you got to go film." It's like I don't know.
I'm kind of I they tell me what to do. I don't dictate my life.
shocked at like the numbers.
So like your the the I don't I'll let you reveal any numbers, but you some big numbers for revenue for your other businesses. Yeah.
And you have to have infrastructure for that.
And so that's why I was wondering.
I was like cuz you are like this Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, so on the stereotype you're like this crazy creative person who's disorganized and that's perfect. Yeah.
But to sell that much of candy and or of burgers, like you got to be Yeah, so those are all separate entities.
So for our snack brand, we hired Jim who helped build RXBAR and we built the team around him.
So that's a whole independent company that doesn't even work out of our studio.
And same thing with Beast Burger. So that's the beauty.
I like to just find people who are just the best in the god damn world at their job and then just empower them and give them money and So how many people work at the studio?
Uh in the studio like 60 cuz we don't have enough space to fit everyone.
So that's why we're trying to build more of a building.
Things just take forever.
Do Do people like working for you, you think?
No, this is The reason I'm asking is like these like creative types I'm like curious about them.
Because the goal is to make one of us like a big deal.
Everyone is working for that, whereas a lot of other companies it's like, "No, there's like this It's not necessarily that either.
There's also certain projects where I'd be like, "I'd love to learn from you."
So there's been shows and movies that I've done like The Morning Show.
Like I've never done a sexy one-hour drama.
I want to learn from Reese Witherspoon.
I want to learn from Jennifer Aniston.
I want to learn from the show creators.
Like, "How do you do that? How do you shoot that? What's that lens? What are you doing that? Is that a 50? Is that a 75? How do you do that?
How did you do that tracking shot?
Why did you do that tracking shot? Let me see the script.
Let me see the future script."
There's all these things where I'm like, "I just want to absorb.
I just want to see how you do the whole thing." You know what I mean?
Like And that's a additive like positive value for me.
Because most people don't have that access to that.
Yeah, I mean Sam was Tariq kind of meet us all today. Oh man.
Bro, Tariq Tariq, you got to set the bar.
Yeah, we had told them that you were coming today to the thing and like the look of disappointment when they saw it was I was the only brown guy there.
They're like, "That ain't hustle."
They're like, "Yo, hustle's changed, bro." Yeah, hustle's changed.
And then they put me on top of it and they were like, "What the The camera really does that, Ted five, bro. Oh, don't do that, bro. Don't do that. Don't do that.
When we were at your office, so you have like a big Elon, Steve Jobs like you admire these guys.
That's why you like the How to Take Over the World podcast cuz you like learning from them.
What's a story that you heard that you're like that like stuck with you.
They like you remembered you referenced it like kind of changed the way you were thinking.
From those two in particular, I think the biggest thing is like that Steve became a billionaire from Pixar, you know, not even Apple.
And so like the fact that he could go to this just not even hardware company, more creative storytelling company and just kick ass and create films like Toy Story and all these other bangers and just build that company up to whatever it was like then Disney bought it for 7 billion.
And what meanwhile Apple's just falling to the ground and about to go out of business and they, you know, buy him back with NeXT and all of a sudden rebounds and basically the way they did it was just getting rid of 90% of products and just focusing on like four or five.
I mean, it just shows like the power that one individual had even though both companies had, you know, I don't know about Pixar, but Apple had thousands of employees and Pixar probably had at least hundreds.
And despite all of that, you know, one man can make that much of a difference.
Like the power of having good vision and just not relenting is like invaluable.
Do you think your your biggest strength is probably your curiosity?
That you're you're down to do anything and you're Well, so I think what you have to do is you have to always be learning.
All right, that's how you can like So like with our ideas, right?
Cuz we like to do original ideas that no one's ever done before.
I I might have told you this when we were talking on the phone.
Thing is like if there was a hypothetical fruit in Japan that if you eat it makes it where you can jump 30 ft taller, right?
If that exists in this world right now, you didn't know it existed.
So you couldn't come up with something around that.
It's very hyper specific.
But there's like a million things like that in the world that like if you don't know about it or you're not intaking the inspiration, you can't really come up with something.
Like if I were to try again in the stand, like that's how I would try to do something different.
I'd just try to take intake a bunch of different information, see what spawns in my head.
So I try to always be learning. Would the Mr.
Beast version of stand-up be like, "I'm going to do the longest set ever.
I'm going to do the longest comedy set ever."
Would it have to be Would that be the Mr. Beast like twist on it?
I would have to find something different cuz obviously the whatever's currently out there cuz I have a bunch of people on my team who are stand-ups.
Like that's been done a bunch of times.
So we'd have to figure out something Got it.
different which I would love to one day just cuz it seems fun cuz Tariq talks to me about it all the time.
But in general, you got to always just be intaking inspiration from different places whether it be different podcasts, books, or different knowledge.
I have people that I pay that just teach me things. Just whatever.
Like things that I think I don't know.
What What do you mean by that?
Like they'll just find things that they don't think I'm aware of or show me cool things and be like, "I don't think you know this is a thing. Here, read about it."
And so that way I'm always intaking an example?
And how many How many of these people do you have? This is awesome. just like two or three.
Yeah, Jimmy, they they call those people Those are teachers. Okay. I mean, no.
He's like He's like, "They'll sit me down for about an hour at a time."
And what's what's wild is they'll focus on us subjects and it's like What's going on right now?
I never thought about that way.
And couple hundred grand.
No, but it's like different topics. I got you. I got you. You got you. Got you.
Yeah, like the last one was like about just like crazy online like which like the these like little things where they'll upload a file to Reddit and then like inside is an encrypted code that takes you to a website which takes you to a book and like these little like browser based puzzles and like seeing if that inspired me. I don't know.
Just random things like that. black and I'm white.
In point, I'm trying to always expand my knowledge well in my head with new things I can draw inspiration from.
I was giving him props earlier where I said so much of people who kind of rev the algorithm are usually being divisive.
They're They're saying something that's going to make you mad.
Like I have a joke where I make fun of MDs and DOs and DOs get really mad.
You know, it's like that's like a niche physicians joke, but people get upset.
But what Sam was so cool about what you do is I think really what you've tapped into is joy and spectacle and wonder.
Which is which is like a counter to that and it's very rare to see that really take off on the internet.
So what made you feel like I'm going to do that versus do videos that that might that might agitate people per se. Yeah.
Well, I do think in general it is a little bit easier just to piss people off and get attention.
It's a lot harder to do good and get attention.
So that's why I think a lot of people don't.
But for me because we just had this ability to go viral, it's just kind of like there's a world where I make videos and I don't help people and there's a world where I make videos and I do help people.
The one where I do help people is just a little bit more fun. So that's why I do it.
I don't I you know, PR wise I should have a better answer, but that's kind of the truth.
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What creators do you guys look up to?
Oh, I'm curious to see what you say.
What creators do I look up to?
YouTubers, podcasters, comedians. Podcasters.
I was going to say creators. Yeah.
It could be any It could be anybody. Anybody.
I think what one of the first people that really inspired me I think was probably Steven Spielberg. Really?
Yeah, I mean, he's one of the greatest storytellers ever.
Do you What was the first movie that you saw where you're like, "Oh my god, I was blown away."
For me it was Jurassic Park. Um as a kid.
I I only watched YouTube growing up. I've seen most of these. Yeah.
I get made fun of all the time for What was the last movie that you watched?
Uh well, I watched the the Spider-Man 3 one because but I never saw the earlier ones. Really? Yeah.
Like you have no time for movies No, it's not that I have time. I just I don't know. I I need to.
Like I need to go back and watch Star Wars and Harry Potter and all that stuff to get brought up on culture, but I was just like uh You didn't And so you didn't see Squid Game.
You just did the Squid Game remake. Game I watched it. Yeah, before we did it.
But like I wouldn't count that as a movie.
Like I I watched a ton of anime, but yeah, movies And weirdly enough like growing up, I didn't listen to music or watch movies.
So I was like so out of culture. It was brutal.
Which is part of why I was an introvert.
There's this Conor McGregor quote where they're like, you know, he was on BBC or something.
He's like, "Oh, it's a bigger appearance, not just niche UFC thing."
And they're like, "What do you think about this team or this game?"
He's like He's like, "You know, the Yeah, that one you said, they're great."
It was like It was like Arsenal or something.
Yeah, he's like, "Oh, Arsenal."
And they're like, "You don't know anything about Arsenal, right?"
He's like He's like, "I don't watch the new He's like, "I don't watch I don't follow the news. I don't watch sports. I don't do anything."
He goes, "I have lost my mind to the game."
He goes, "I am obsessed with my game.
I have lost my mind to it.
I don't have time to for anything else.
I don't want to know about anything else.
I only want to know about this game."
When we were hanging out, I feel like you had that vibe where you were like uh you said a couple things.
You were like, "I decided I was going to be a YouTuber and I was going to make great videos and it didn't matter if I died the most famous YouTuber of all time or 90 years old with a thousand subscribers.
I was going to make great YouTube videos.
Like that's That's what I decided I was going to do and that's all I do.
I wake up and I do that thing."
What was that first YouTube video that you saw that like kind of filled you with that wonder where you're like, Oh, well, this guy actually got hacked like a very long time ago.
This like Call of Duty YouTuber and they like leaked his earnings and he had made like a hundred thousand dollars a year the last few years.
And I remember being like 10 and being like, "What the [ __ ] They make that kind They make money doing this?"
And I was just so mind-blown that they actually made money.
And it's more than my mom like Yeah, and it was right there when I was like, "Okay, I'm doing this. Like I just don't care.
I'm being a YouTuber or I'm going to [ __ ] die trying. I just don't care."
And that like the second I saw that it was actually possible, that's when I was like, "That's it."
And it's funny also talking about like obsession and stuff like this cuz it's funny how it changes.
Like when you're like and maybe it's different now cuz social media's a little bit cooler, but when I was younger, like no one wanted to be a YouTuber.
Like most people when I was 13, 14 didn't even have phones yet.
Like it was kind of like a little bit of an older thing and maybe it's just cuz where I grew up, but it's funny cuz back then people are like, "Get a life.
Stop being a [ __ ] nerd.
Like you're too obsessive. You're weirdo."
And then now it's like, "Oh, bro, he was so obsessive. He's It's so great." Like look at that.
It's so funny and it's so funny like looking back on our life going from a [ __ ] loser nerd who's too obsessive and won't go anywhere to like, "Damn, that's really inspiring."
And it's like, "Damn, that was very hurtful back then, but I'm glad it's inspiring now."
So it's funny to see how it changes, but I like to bring that up because if there are younger people or parents who have kids who are obsessive like this, that's typically what happens.
Like younger kids don't understand that and it's different and so you don't watch the newest South Park or the newest movie or whatever.
So you you don't talk about the same thing.
So then people are just like, "Oh, well, you know, [ __ ] sucks, you know what I mean?"
How would you how would you deal with that cuz you have kids. I have kids.
If they go, "I want to be a Twitch streamer.
I want to be a video gamer."
Are you like, "Let's go."
I had the same realization.
I was like, "Oh, so wait a minute.
We spend the first 18 years of our life trying to fit in."
That's all I felt in school.
I was trying to fit in all the time.
What do What do people do that's cool? How do I do that thing? Right. Right.
And then once I was like in the adult world, it's like, "Oh [ __ ] now we spend our whole life trying to stand out."
Like what was all that other [ __ ] Why was I Why was I so focused on fitting in if the rest of your life you're trying to stand out?
And I just realized like, "Oh [ __ ] standing out has been the game the whole time and the way you stand out is not by trying to figure it out.
Just like whatever you're obsessed with, just let that ride cuz you'll go on a path that nobody else is going to copy and then you'll you know, you'll land in a good spot."
So if my kid like my daughter's two right now, Right.
if she was into gaming or she was trying to be a creator, all that stuff, I would be all in on it cuz I know even if that's not your end game, following your obsession is like the thing to do in life, you know, that will always work out with you know, if you like actually go down that path.
What most people do is they hedge.
They like this thing, but then they see this path that's more proven or shiny or they don't know if it's going to work. So they only half try. Right?
And then it's like that hedge is actually what gets you.
It's not that this career path was that hard.
It's that hedging is like you know, What was your major in college? Biology. The ultimate hedge. The ultimate hedge. That was different. I just didn't know.
Well, what I think is actually is that you could be doing the like YouTube, TikTok stuff.
I feel like you can look at his videos and be like, "All right, I get it.
I get why people like this. I get why this pops."
Probably pretty tempting to be like, "Could I go get 50 million views, 100 million views? That seems nice."
I'm not going to say I'm not allowed to say it.
You said you you spend X number of dollars every video.
I'll let you say It started off You can say it.
Yeah, our average views is around 1. 5 million dollars.
I mean that's Well, he he does it now, but go look at his archive, right?
It's like he took a plastic knife and tried to cut a plastic table and it took him 48 hours to do that.
That's a That's a dollar 50 video, right? That's not a 1. 5 million. That's 1. 5.
Counting to 100,000, zero dollars. It's a different thing. It's a different thing.
So that's like a different type of skill set and muscle.
So the the types of videos he's producing, stand up is different.
If if if a musician was here, if a DJ was here, it's not all the same just cuz it's on YouTube.
So we all do different types of media.
This is a different type of media.
Are you tempted to like, you know, dabble?
Yeah, we talked about this, right?
I mean, I I the only the the thing that I uh would be um I would be reticent of is what if I have I have to put this thing out and I don't believe in it or I'm just doing it just to do it.
That's the That would be the problem.
But I have to put up a new video every Tuesday.
That's the Just delete the video. Who cares?
What do you do if you if you Sometimes we don't upload for two months.
You just only upload when it's a great video. That's all that matters. So.
I think it's dumb when people stick to like a schedule and they're like, "Oh, the video's not great, but I upload every Tuesday." It's like, "Who cares?"
What are you guys trying to figure out right now?
Cuz I think if you watch a lot of interviews of people, it's like they it's all buttoned up. It's all figured out.
They're already successful. It's all working.
And then the person who's watching these videos typically somebody who doesn't have it all figured out.
And they're just sort of like, "Ah, that's different.
Like that would be nice to have it all figured out."
But the reality is nobody's got it all figured out, right?
Like we were in your office, the white board's full because you're thinking of new Like where are we going? What's not figured out? We got to figure it out.
So what's on both y'all's plate of like what are you still trying to figure out in your game?
Uh well, I'll let you take it first.
Yeah, Sean, what are you trying to figure out?
Yeah, what are you trying to figure Yeah, come on, Sean.
Uh I'm trying to figure out I'll tell you I'm trying to figure out if I want to go all in on content creating. Wow.
Like I basically built businesses.
I have the most fun doing this, but I don't know if I had the most fun just cuz it's a hobby.
And like I you know, I only get the good.
I don't pull out pull all the work in If you love it, then go all in.
I mean, it's not going to be less. Do you love it?
I love doing it the way we're doing it now.
If I was like him obsessed every hour of every day trying to be like, "How are we going to grow this channel?"
I might not love it as much.
like doing the Twitter thing? Uh for a period of time. It got old. Yeah. Yeah, it got old.
And it it was it was fun to chase the number.
Can we get to 100,000 in like a few months?
Yeah, it's fun to chase a number, but that didn't That didn't last. So that gives me word.
But that's the thing I'm trying to figure out.
It's like, "Should I go all in on content creating or should I stay with creating businesses?
Which one is like what what I want to be when I grow up?" That's the question.
I'm asking myself that exact same question, too.
Cuz sometimes like when you're when you're create business first and then go to content, I'm like, "Oh man, am I just going to talk about doing it all the time or am I just going to [ __ ] do it?" Yeah.
So I I exactly what you mean.
Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. What about you?
Uh right right now, um I'm trying to stay loose for this game tomorrow.
That's what I'm trying to I'm not trying to get tight, man.
I'm 36, bro, pushing 37 like He's a young boy.
Like he he might run us off the court.
And I was like, "Yo, my I'm like, dude, my L4's hurting.
Like my my hamstrings are kind of tight from this flight."
We got to his studio and he was like he's got a hoop there. Yeah.
He's like, "Oh, we got we got six. Let's play a game."
He's wearing his like Yeezy slides.
I was like, "Bro, I need 15 minutes of stretching and then like you know, I need like proper proper medical attention Do you guys want to go ball?
If there was an indoor court, we would do it. Yeah.
I played I played 21 21 with Jimmy right now. Yeah.
That'd be a fun That would be a That would be a fun video.
That would be a fun video.
You want to make it happen? Yeah, let's do it.
Can you just find a court somewhere around here? Right here. We'll play 21. Amazing.
We'll play 21 We'll play 21 or horse. Yeah.
We'll wrap up with this with with your with your answer. Okay.
Oh, what was the question? What's not figured out?
What are you trying to figure out in in in your everything.
So I'm just going to say a funny joke to change the topic.
Basketball, how to not strain my legs tomorrow. There you go. There we go.