[Music] it's so nice being in this home because it really feels like you just even just walking around these areas by the studio and looking around and ignoring the really sweet poignant photos your mama stacked up like I know like the dentist office they're perfectly stacked as well it's like there's so M te totally but it
it just feels very much like you live here and I don't always get that feeling not to put anyone blast but sometimes I'm like oh no you tour a lot this doesn't feel like your home home this has got you written all over it has the idea of Home changed to you after you lost that home and then you went through so much significant personal change like
what is home now what is a home a home to me is and it can be any space any size that when someone else enters that space they know it's yours and I don't think you would think anyone but me would probably live here it the reason that there's like the big screen behind us I like to create animation you know so I can animate in here I can do my
music video editing in here and it's really just I think something about staying where the song is made cuz like it kind of lives in here forever you know when you walk through a historic home or like a landmark you can like feel its history I feel the same way about my Studios and my spaces but then again keeping that slight protection and
slight Detachment to knowing it can all go away and it's all the stuff and when I'm gone it'll be someone else's but that guitar the acoustic guitar doesn't feel like that's my new That acoustic guitar that's a 1957 Martin yeah that's serious yeah that's serious and then I just got a a 19 yeah she's from 1969 and I like that it was she's a blondie so I
like that she was blonde it's the only color for a fender in my 69 it's my favorite color blonde do you play them yeah I play them there's so many interesting musical references on this album on plastic cards I'm so thrilled as a fan that you pivoted away and and worked on a body of work I thought the she's Trilogy was going to be
interesting but when I knew that you were making an album I was like all right now I get to hear what the complete body of thought kind of she is era was I guess some sort of a representation of my uh I guess a little bit of a fear of commitment when it comes to having a actually what you said it's perfect when we're talking about the statement having
a full body of work it's say here's who I am and when you make a record especially the way that I used to actually make albums you have to turn that in half a year before anyone's going to hear it you're distant from it you're you're you know time heals all yeah the songs that are filled with pain or love or life or you're removed from
it because your senses aren't really so attached to those memories anymore and so I always hated making physical records I'm so happy that we've moved into a new way of putting out music especially if you say goodbye to yourself every night and that's what I'm saying by the time look dude this is daily that I that I change you know and
I actually really don't like when people you know say that it's being fickle or you don't get to just decide you know actually being and what we've gotten into an argument about this before because I said you know if I say something five minutes ago that's what I said five minutes ago because I believed it and so I so he's like that is unfair
that you live your life that way that's fine to be that way as an artist you know but as a person as a friend you know I'm like he's just trying to get his own way pressing the buttons I know he's the master at that I'm taking notes but I've had that in a lot of you know friendships relationships collaborators because I evolve just
really quickly and change really quickly and everything that happens changes my experience I'll be different tomorrow because of this because maybe I'll realize something or something that was in here that needed to kind of be released released does and now I don't feel that way towards it anymore this is about the most in the moment I've heard
someone describe themselves in a in a very long time you talk about release it comes at a you know you have to you have to just like like waste to stuff and on this album on plastic Hearts I'm just going to go there man relationships get a tough time on this album yeah no doubt about it like brutal like there's lines on this record that are just like wow
serious sense of self-awareness I will never be that person you want me to be I will never be that faithful person you want me to be I will never be a all the songs because never be me is a song that even Mark kind of challenged when I first wrote it because Mark had made this Ronson for the r Mark Ronson had made the most beautiful arrangement it
was something that was very simple you know he's not the guy it's totally different experience working with someone like watt or someone like you know Mike Will on bangers he does not have just like a beat Library Mark Ronson it's you know it's an arrangement so he's not going through and flipping through beats and saying it's not pick
one you know you're not going through the rack and trying stuff on and see what fits it's customized which I adore and so it was something super simple and the words just literally started getting like pulled out of me and had to because you don't sit there and think those through no I actually had a a really kind of uh intense conversation about
that song the other day because men happened to notice that song on the record a lot more than I mean women do cuz I thought it was kind of like my Bonnie Tyler moment you know that's what I was really writing and I thought women go yes that's totally me but actually men are always like are you really never able to be that person you know I'm I'm
a Tripper but this is how I think of songs when I write a song like that I capture something that is in inside of me I kind of call it like you know Temptation or a little part of evil or a a little bad even though it's totally not evil to have that thought but it's something that doesn't have to be who I am but I get to capture it and honor a
feeling that I have in a moment and I can capture it like a Firefly and have it and admire it but it doesn't have to come with me and be a part of Who I Am anymore because I'm really proud of like my loyalty that I have towards those that I love or you know down to the animals I mean I just like when I love I am very loyal to people I
mean you could tell this by any time you've seen me or any of my team or you know I'm a loyal person but there's times you know where it says you know is it wrong that in my mind I Walk the Line I lay with fire you know and I felt that way right then and I got to capture it and I didn't have to take it with me anymore so in a way you get to kind of
honor it and know that it's a part of you but that it doesn't now have to be who you are anymore this is the trait M if you don't get to express yourself through that thought and commit it m to music to Art to expression it sits with it can Fester it can get really malignant it can become a problem in your life you release it keeps you
balanced and guess what others hear it they don't feel quite so crazy right that's the trade you feel you feel less alone when you listen to songs like that and you say like okay this is human I'm human she's human I'm human it erases that divide between the artist and the audience I don't like that divide I want to be I am my audience you know and and
like I don't even really like the idea of an audience you know I guess it's like The Listener or I don't even really like the word fans cuz in a way it's like to me I I this career has been so long from the age that I started you know who you are from the time where I was introduced to my audience at 12 to who I am now they really know me pretty
well you know we've had a very intimate but you fought to pull that barrier down yeah I don't I don't like that barrier at all yeah but it's an incred transparent space for you to live in if you're going to be transparent and remove that gap between the stage and the crowd metaphorically speaking this time you have to show it all you have to
show the good well that's actually why I created a c stage on bangers and it was low it was a couple feet lower than the stage because I didn't want people looking up at me right that felt like some weird royalty or something I didn't want this you know I want like we're connected this this goes back to that thing said before where you said you
know I sometimes I feel guilty about the level of security and what I've been able to build for myself in relation to people that are I'm sharing this existence with yeah and you know writing a song like never be me it's a sacrifice too and it's a choice that I commit to because some of the songs I write I am not ignorant to the pain that they can
cause to the subjects and a lot of the time have to choose again is it worth it for me to release this you know and I mean release it not to everyone else but to me to allow this thought or this feeling to come out and cuz it's giving it power like my dad says you write it down you speak it you give it power it's
real now it's something more than the thoughts in your head now one thing that I've really been into lately is the the voices in your head I think there's kind of three of us in here I think there's there's that angel there's the devil there's the one that goes well this is what I really want yeah but if you do that then the repercussion and then
there's the person sitting in the back that's actually just observing so so this is kind of the theory behind it is that if you're the listener if you're the one listening to the voices inside your head they aren't you because you're observing it and it's just like you're having the same thought as me right now because I'm telling you it so you're
Computing it but you're not me and so the two voices in your head are not you and the only thing that they do is create your perspective for you and kind of narrate your life and help you digest I guess everything that's happening it's almost like a computer you know but it's not they're not you and so the voices inside my head I guess they're kind of
the ones that also write some of this music but it's not necessarily me who's observing does that make any sense you should read a book called untethered Soul I've heard so that's where the concept comes from that's what creates the self-obsessed borderline narcissism that people realize there's just a selfishness there or there's an
inability to see be on your own framework and it's really just because you're consumed by these voices but until you realize that until you read that book until you start to analyze and identify what your best pathway through that is most people tend to lean into destructive ways to quieten the voices do you recognize that behavior is that
part of why you found yourself in and out of trouble here and there and doing things like that because you're trying to cope for sure I mean I think especially just my experimentation we'll call it you know with with drugs with alcohol I mean I mean all that was just me you know sometimes I guess also wanting to excuse use them and allow
them to run wild like in a way getting messed up was a way of me allowing myself to do things that I never really would allow those voices tool exactly so I think now my life has been truly Changed by the concept that I'm not the voice inside my head that I'm just observing because there's like a piece to it of knowing it's actually the way
that it's explained in the book is you would never hang out if those were physical beings you would never hang out with the voices inside your head they never stop when you're watching a movie it's like well did I turn off the stove did I whatever if your friend was in there like did you do this today did you put a gas in the car did you you'd be
like shut up like I'm just trying to watch a movie or I'm just trying to go outside and enjoy my garden or I'm just trying to take a drive with my mom the thing that really made me just commit to this Theory and really try to balance myself in it is my mom losing her mom because you know one day I was driving in the car next to the beach with my mom
and I was thinking about something totally else I was not there I was I was there with her but I was not there I was thinking about the record did I turn in the mix do I actually like the way that hate me sounds I'm still kind of annoyed with something that I chose to do on the last course that hate me it still bothers me and so I'm sitting here like
ah I really I you know what I should have told L Bell no I don't like that and so I'm sitting there thinking about it and I'm like yo do you know what my mom would give to be in the car driving next to the beach with her mom right now the fact that these two voices are trying to steal this moment from me stay I am not them so the presence is the one
sitting and observing that's just at peace with where I'm am at that moment that takes discipline though and that's where I thrive so luckily it's been a quick adjustment for me once I take it and absorb it it's pretty easy for me to apply it isn't there a part of you as well though just based on what I've read and what I've mainly what I've heard
through your music that as soon as you get disciplining something you're like yeah destruct it well it's when it no longer serves or no longer feels like it's a part of me anymore I mean that's a part of the constant shift of every second is I mean every second is changing me so much which is terrifying really for
everyone that experiences me I'm my best friend but I don't know if I'd want to be my best friend if I wasn't in my own body I've had to learn that it's not selfishness cuz I used to feel guilt I feel a lot of Shame and I learned that guilt and shame are different changes your life guilt is healthy you know guilt is if I don't wear my mask I'm
going to hurt someone and so I need to wear this mask shame is a killer shame is never going to help you I hate shame so there is no shame in the fact that this is me this is I mean there's qualities if you're destructive and you're hurting other people you have to work on yourself it's constant effort but I want to be my best friend actually
I'd be my best friend because of my loyalty because when I shift like that I don't leave bodies behind I take everyone with me for the journey it's just like you got to walk fast I've asked few artists this question and the answer is universally the same you know um in having to focus on expressing yourself through your craft and learn
about yourself in the moment and then ultimately work that moment Reach people and G people is what is the what is the greatest sacrifice and every one of them says relationships m i def I agree and I would say cuz see that's totally loaded that that idea is totally loaded so now we have to go through and like now I'm not a vague person anymore you'd have to
go through and dissect that because in a way the relationships that I get to create and I know what kind of relationship most people are talking about because our minds and our lives revolve around love it's all we want but when you can see all the different types of love that you have in your life at times it's you know it's lonely and I
get that and I get wanting to have partnership and I get that people want to create families and I I really get the longing for love and for but you know to me and only to me it's an honor to find it but I mean animals pair up you know it's instinctual it's not a again a choice that's programming and I try to not be a total servant to the programming
because that to me is ingrained and like embedded and probably every woman in my family line before me probably you know had someone had kids and I like so that's ingrained in me but I don't actually have that idea so if I can disconnect from well that's what I'm supposed to want but I don't and I'm okay with it and I do but sitting here
right now I'm just happy to sit here with you there's nothing that I'm like well you know if I had this it'd be better it's like it always would be it's always going to be better and you know what I've also learned is like when someone you know talking about timing it's like well this isn't a good time for that it's never a good time it's
never a good time for your house to burn down it's never a good time to go through a divorce it's never a good time for your grandma to die it's never a good time like it's going to happen when it happens and like acceptance and it's not going to be easy and I've also allowed myself I've made myself sit in discomfort lately and loneliness have
you done that I will really turn off all my devices everything in my house no TVs no phone no computer nothing no music and just sit and let it come up because it will and it hurts it's excruciating and I did it probably three nights ago and like you know sobbed by myself and like I felt so good the next day because you cannot do this forever and we live in a
society where we're asked to just compartmentalize compartmentalize compartmentalize distraction distraction distraction don't look back don't look back don't look back D I mean our ancestors would have had Ceremonies for a month if someone passes away and I remember my grandma died on a day that it was like right midnight sky MBE had
been out for two days and I was going to miss interviews and it's like do you think you could do that one it's like you I have to honor my grandma who my grandma my Mom was adopted and like so if my grandmother wouldn't have adopted my mother like you know it's so crazy so when also people you know have the attachment to like you want to have your
own children you want to whatever I come from a mother who is adopted who like I have such a love for those who take in children and make them their own and give them a family to be a part of cuz my mom like that cosmic alignment is wild that must blow your mind blows my mind because she chose her and somehow it's almost I dare to say almost as or
more miraculous than having your own children because the way that you really can become a mother yeah to someone who the bi you know the kind of that biology the DNA that is nurture over nature yeah exactly and like there is no doubt like my grandmother is my grandmother and I am so much like her yeah so there's
something I'm like really love about it so with the relationship thing instead of allowing that to just be a preset I've tried to really push the reset button on these on these like settings that were all like we're all kind of AI I guess when did you start to do that though when did you I mean obviously you could say that that's the pot that's the
frog and the pot of boiling water and then just suddenly happens but the way you've described it reset not preset it's perfect so that to me is a headline you got to get to a headline you don't just work up to it you just go oh my God that's not me so many great lyrics on this on this album but there's a line in there where it's bad karma to have a
double life to live a double life yeah woo okay that's a big lyric yeah I wrote that sitting in traffic I wrote that sitting in traffic and I I started with um you may think I'm ghosting but the truth is I'm a liar and it's like I saw you what to tell you but you ain't a buyer and like it was just the truth and I got to the studio and Mark so many
times was like oh my God like I actually have cold blooded tattooed because I heard the word coldblooded so much when I was making this record but Max calling you Cold Blood this was from Mike Will and he goes man you man dog you are cold blooded and I thought I'm going to go write that so I wrote a song called Cold
Blood and it's not even on the record but well if we're talking about cold blooded let's just double down at at the table and talk about the line I always pick a giver yeah cuz I've always been a take yeah I have to I'd rather just do it I'll think about it later Kiss Me by Karma I had written this song like I think I was driving I was driving to
Mark's Place in Hollywood and then I Revisited it after I hadn't thought about it for a little while when I was in New York at Electric Lady he started just playing through the speakers like I bet you forgot about this you know your freaking musical vomit that You' created over at my studio and he presses play and I just start hearing
like and then with Joan when I I got Joan Jed on the song it was like cuz he kept saying like this is the most Miley record of all time and I thought there's only one person who could own this record more than me it's Joan Jet because that's who instilled that mentality into me Cherry Bomb you know and it's like I don't give a damn about
my bad reputation that's what that song is totally you know I own it yeah never and I just and by the way you wish you had it you don't like it cuz you wish you were free like me yeah yeah even the bridge is saying like I don't give a I don't believe in luck that's why I do what I want to do I actually don't believe in karma because if Karma was
real I think we'd see it more play out than it does I think that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't like I mean to me I wrote that actually I wrote that when Donald Trump became president cuz that's the day I kind of thought Karma might not be real but don't you identify to some degree with Buddhism app app elements of that Faith to your
lifestyle I just haven't always seen Karma play out in the life that you're in right now but that's the whole point of karma is you know you might not see it it's probably going to come back in another life and that's why I said I'd rather do it I'll think about it later I'll think about it in the next one whoever I come back as they can deal with that