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Ladies and gentlemen, Mike [laughter] D. >> He's going to see.
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I'm sure >> I don't think you you have given me probably through the years maybe 40 introductions >> at least. >> Okay.
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So, at least at least 40 >> at least.
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>> And uh the D being for diarrhea.
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[laughter] This is the first ever.
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>> So, >> it's true, Mike.
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I've been chasing you and your friends uh individually and together throughout my whole life.
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Um, we don't need to go into all that yet, but inevitably it will come up, so brace yourself.
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Uh, but thank you is the name of the album and thank you as my introduction.
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Mike D, I'm so glad to see you.
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Thank you for joining us once again.
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>> Thank you for having me.
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Anyway, I brought a gift for you because I feel you do the deep and meaning you do all these deep and meaningful conversations with your guests.
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And I don't ever see them give you gifts. >> No, they don't.
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>> Maybe that's an off the camera kind of thing like maybe they're giving you under the table gifts. I mean, wo wo wo wo. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait. What? Wait, what?
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>> But I'm doing above the table. >> I appreciate. This is beautiful. This is like >> Oh, no.
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This is a zene weed scene like because I'm old oldfashioned.
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Old is I know I old school old-fashioned. I don't know.
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>> I think just old is what we are.
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I think we can pull a word next to say old. Yeah, maybe. Well, maybe.
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See, I think that's that's going to be the theme of today. Let's get real.
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And so, in terms of see verbal diarrhea, you you add another word to old.
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You you hyphenate old to make it seem better.
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But like, let's just be real. Old is old.
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Yo, >> old verbal diarrhea sounds like a like maybe you're in like Wuang cosplay.
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[laughter] >> Old [snorts] verbal diarrhea.
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>> Well, what about there?
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Could be a whole category of woo diarrhea. Woo!
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[laughter] Diarrhea is right up there.
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>> I'm just saying >> you have to sign this for me later.
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>> We'll have to We'll have to talk to the Rizza about this.
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>> Can we get him on the line? You got Come on.
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You got a big like Can you just call You know, you're >> Don't act like you don't have Rizza in your phone. Why do I have to do it? You do it. You do it. You have to You do it. >> All right.
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>> It's better coming from Mike D than it is.
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He's gonna think I'm gonna interview him. He's gonna ask.
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He's gonna think, "Oh Mike D from the Beasty Boys is calling me. This is sick." >> All right. Here's my pitch. All right.
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This would be a good a good like game.
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This should be a weekly a weekly thing for the Zay Lo show. >> Did you hear that?
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>> Who can get a member of the Wuang Clan on the [laughter] phone first >> and just every week just how do you get one guess?
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>> It's a It's a winning game. >> I don't know, man.
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You're just saying M&F and low you can get.
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>> It's I'm all verbal diarrhea is what I am, [laughter] ladies and gentlemen. I'm being on the mic.
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>> I'm thinking at least you're going to get inspected deck.
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[laughter] There's no way I'm getting his mix. He's the hardest.
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He's the hardest to get hold of.
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>> I'm going to I'm going to get Method Man.
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>> I know you can get me.
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>> I'm confident cuz I I him and I I am a huge Method Man fan. >> Same. >> Much love for her.
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>> Not to create hierarchy amongst the hom. Here I am. Here I am. The method man.
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>> Um I always also loved when Meth came out with his solo record.
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He started with the most hardcore.
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Like bring the pain is just like the pain. Good point. >> Yeah.
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>> You know, he didn't come out and be like, "All right, man.
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I'm going to hit you with a hit."
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He was like, "The name of the album is Thank you. Mike D is here.
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I'm so happy to see you with music and to be able to [snorts] talk about music.
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It's why we >> I always talk about music.
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I just haven't been making [laughter] >> your music. My music, your music." No.
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In fact, you've done you've been very generous here on Apple Music Radio talking about a lot of music with your show. But this is different.
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It's it's you know your music.
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It's why we know each other.
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It's thanks to you that I know you.
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You know, I knew you before I knew you.
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And um and now I know a whole lot more about you through this record.
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It it it reveals itself in really beautiful nuanced ways, man.
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Like even through the energy and through the clattering chaos and the chemistry of the drum machines and the sounds and just how industrial at times it feels awesome.
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You are telling the truth on here.
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You're going into some beautiful places and I want to I want to start there.
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Actually, we could talk about all the layers later, but I want to get to the, you know, we all come from trauma.
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We all, you know, the observations of real life that you've found that's not cerebral writing.
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Where where did these things come from that you decided to let loose?
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It's almost like they just appeared out of nowhere. >> Yeah.
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The uh the other dimension. Other dimension. >> Another dimension. Another dimension.
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>> There's a there's a bunch of different things.
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I mean, look, as as we alluded to earlier, >> we we are of a certain age. >> Yeah.
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>> So, I think it's also like that was the thing of making this record.
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It's like, all right, I'm only going to make this if I'm going to make stuff right now, let's I'm going to keep it real.
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I'm going to keep it honest.
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like let's um >> I don't you know you kind of one of the things that happens to you as you age is >> you know we're only on this earth for however long and we're [snorts] just like this little teeny speck that part of this like huge huge thing and so >> we got to really maximize you know we kind of have to look at it like all right let's let's make you know it's kind of like look if I'm on if let's the world cup just finished Yeah.
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>> Like if if I was on the bench for Spain, they're not putting me in to the midfield.
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And if they do, I got to make my time [laughter] count.
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>> Maybe not a great analogy because I'm not a Spanish national >> and I certainly don't play football well enough >> to be included in the squad.
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>> But it's a very strong midfield.
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It was I think it was a great name [laughter] actually.
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It's maybe the best midfield in football, truthfully.
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But when they do when they do start the seniors league, I'm in training right now for that when they start the you know the 70 and up which would really be I think a match none of us would want to see.
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>> What Michael Diaria is saying is there is that who has time for this?
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>> Who has time to be sitting around questioning whether or not you have something to say when you know you've got something that needs to come out. Right. >> Hence the diarrhea. >> Hence the diarrhea.
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Hence the diar >> the need for it to come. No. But anyway. Yeah.
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Yeah. when you but when you age >> time time is more precious your just your rel I don't even say I'm not let me let me rewind that I'm going to just say our relationship with time changes >> it does >> and and um yeah so there you go and so
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yeah and and actually it was a great joy that was like the fact that I get to like wake up in the morning and I have the the time like for the space that I create for myself that, you know, that's usually a lot of time my my writing time. I kind of like to see what happens
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I kind of like to see what happens and then my kids make fun of me and when I'm recording because I'm I'm again I'm old or old school.
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I I I I'm not Sometimes I write lyrics in my phone, sometimes I do the voice memo, but pretty much like 98% of the time I'm I'm I have all these different notebooks and I'm writing everything down and I fill one up and then I have another.
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one up and then I have another. So my kids are always making fun of me cuz then when we're actually in the process of like making making music then like I hear something I'm like wait I had I have an idea for this and and I'm like and I'm picking up like four different notebooks and they're looking at me like a dad
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this is effing embarrassing bro like you come on [snorts] can't you nothing you can't search for anything what's going on anyway but no that's how I the fact that I get to have that all of it, you know, that that I have this studio that I share with my kids and that's where we make that's where we made the bulk of the >> record and that Yeah. And then I kind of
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And then I kind of grew to love all the people I collaborated with on a record both produ from the production and musician side. So there you go. >> I saw it.
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I mean I I got firsthand account of it because I came to your house one afternoon and I got to see you guys like kind of figuring out its time and getting that one done.
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Well, it was good cuz you came and I was like I'm I'm sometimes [sighs] uh you know, you got to believe in stuff to make it happen, but sometimes I'm a little over ambitious. I was like, "Oh, no.
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We're going to get like it's fine. Zayn can come in. We got this."
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And in that moment, we really did not have it. It >> was cool. >> It was not.
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No, [laughter] but I just think like we did not have it.
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Like Zayn, you probably walked away thinking like, "Bro, I don't know.
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This guy is going to go on tour and this is going to be a colossal mess. Like this is not tight.
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>> I don't think you had a little work to do before Southby, which was in a couple of days time.
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But [laughter] but but what was cool about it was was that I got to see the dynamic between you and the and those assembled.
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And well, first of all, what was fascinating was I didn't know, let's be real, I didn't know this was a Mike D 5D experience. >> You were ambushed. >> I was in a way.
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And I even walking away from that I didn't know because the way it was introduced to me was there's some couple of shows happening at Southby.
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So I figured it was very nice.
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>> Well, no it was that was their they had their show but this was we were rehearsing separately >> and I even also thought >> exclusively to that.
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>> Maybe you wouldn't even go out and do those shows.
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I thought you were just kind of helping them figure It was all very kind of ambiguous.
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So, by the time you guys were on your like ninth version of trying to get it right and I was like Homer in the bush, like I was literally like just trying to slide out of there because by this point as well, people they were acknowledging I was there. This is bad.
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>> No one was like, "Give us a minute or hey, good to see you, Zane."
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I was just literally standing against a wall like I didn't exist.
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So, my cuz they were trying to figure out they were locked in, right?
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So, I've just bounced the out nice and gently and I called my Mrs.
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on the way back and I was like, "That was cool.
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Mike was in the studio with his band and that includes his kids and shit."
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And she was like, "What is it? Is Mike making music?
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I'm like, I don't think so.
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>> But but I didn't hear a full song, so I I wouldn't know cuz you guys were trying to figure it out. >> Yeah. >> But >> true.
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>> Back then, you were kind of holding it still to yourself a little bit. >> Yeah.
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Keeping the cards the expression >> close to the chest. >> Close to the chest.
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>> Which must have been a nice >> Well, you know, it's time. It's time. It's like a fine wine. >> Yeah.
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Yeah, but it must be a nice feeling to know that this was the last little bit of time you had with this music that just was you and the people in that room before annoying people with the best of intentions like me go, >> let's talk to Mike about this album. >> Yeah, good point.
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But but you know the thing is actually I love that the thing what I love about time is like >> as you saw it's a lot of work to figure it out like and and a lot of the music on the record it's not like because of how we made it and just was a lot of it came out of just in the best way >> these like chaotic collaborations of whatever was happening. >> Yeah. everybody.
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I didn't see a sequencer. I didn't see one.
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I'm sure you recording it somehow, but I saw a lot of wires.
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>> There a lot of things that would that were a lot of relationships between analog and outboard equipment.
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And that's what And basically you guys had it down.
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It just every time someone would have to trigger something, it was like it's all by it was all tactile. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're Yeah.
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Well, it's a funny we have a funny combination of like we we love digital, but we love there's like the magic.
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I think a lot of what this record is, we have this >> Yeah.
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[clears throat] I think or I have like this love affair with especially more obscure analog synthesizers.
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like not the there's the headliners that everybody uses and they're great and they're used the most for a reason, >> but >> I just love the thrill of when >> you have something that you never used before [snorts] >> and you don't know how it works and you turn it on and you just start turning knobs and figuring it out.
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Like that to me is like that's the that's where I'm like the kid in the candy store, you Well, it's a real relationship and I was literally was talking about this with someone the other day.
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It it is those those pieces of equipment um are alive and they are already firing and all you got to do is just check in and they may decide to work with you, they may decide not to work with you.
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>> A lot of times not like or very often. >> Yeah.
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>> You know, you you see how our studios it's not like protected from the elements.
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We like working where it's like we feel >> Yeah. I love it. >> Outdoors, whatever.
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And so we'll it everything is going perfectly, you know, we cuz we also have like a a kind of work thing that is a beautiful thing where we'll work.
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We'll start kind of like late morning, middle of the day.
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We just go and we go non-stop until dinner time.
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Give give a a coffee break here and there.
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>> Little football on the yacht. >> Little football.
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Have a little footy break and a little, you know, time for a little tea or coffee. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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And then but go straight through and then we're then it's dinner and then after dinner we kind of like reassess.
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We're like, "Oh, let's either usually we either start something new or maybe there's something we want to finish on what we were doing >> during the day and then and then go to bed and then we go back the next the next morning thinking like, okay, everything's going to work.
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>> We're gonna like literally pick up where we left off the night before, which is a reasonable assumption in in the digital world."
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And then we turn then we turn things on and they sound nothing like they sounded the night before.
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And we're just like we're like, "Oh my god, what what has happened?
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We didn't Nobody's touched anything.
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>> We we just went to sleep for eight hours and and the entire world has changed somehow.
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>> That's why they made plugins, Mike.
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That's why they made you know to >> I'm good.
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I'm making a good sales pitch for plugins right here."
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No, no, but it's funny because and I won't tell the full story, but I said that to a musician once who was wrestling with a moog for like nine hours and I [snorts] said, "I made a soft synth for this."
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And he just said, "Why don't you off [laughter] >> cuz he just wasn't hearing that at all."
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He was like, you know, >> Yeah.
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If we only had soft synths, then we the world wouldn't have the the one of the best YouTube videos ever, which is Azie Osborne, RIP, >> right?
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>> Um, having his relationship with the Arp 2600. >> I haven't seen this. I have to watch. No, you haven't seen it. >> I haven't seen it. I have to see it. >> Oh my god.
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No, you don't understand. It's a top 10. Top 10 YouTube.
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Like I mean I think it says it right there. I was born >> and hell.
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[laughter] >> Yeah, there's a lot of like the whole hell. What? Yeah.
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It's >> what is going Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love it.
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Was a really It's a really good scene you have in that room where I was I I didn't want to leave.
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I mean, I wanted to leave that day because I felt like my presence was you up >> because we we were awkward by the fact of not >> Yeah.
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>> But I do think there is a like I can say it now looking back on it because that's actually >> the [clears throat] song we were working working on at that time. It's time.
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>> Like now when we do it live, we >> you know, I think I I can be a little go bold like we own it and as a band.
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That's what I've been loving about these shows we're doing together right now because we we we're able to own these songs that we created and so it's just like what we're left with on stage.
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We just have this it's just fun.
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>> Let's talk about the stage then and let's just let's just go wherever it lands, you know, uh in this chat.
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And right now we're we're at this point where you've done maybe a dozen shows. I'm doing rough math.
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Probably did like five or six out the gate.
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Then you did a little prima vera action and >> 14. Okay.
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>> It's not like I'm creeping around like following you completely, but I'm not far off. So about 14 shows.
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[laughter] Um and I wanted to sort of know uh not to put too fine a point on it, what the feeling was like when you got out there.
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You've got loved ones around you, literally.
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You got your kids around you.
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You know, this is the most special relationship in your life.
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You've got friends around you, not too far off family.
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Um, but it's different and it's the first time you've really gone out with your own music in a long, long time.
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So, if you could put into words the I'm sure very confusing chemistry of things that were going on on those early shows and what it felt like for you, you know. >> Yeah.
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Well, there's there's a lot.
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I mean, even and it and it really changed radically kind of from show to show.
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So, the very first show was actually the closest to our home in Malibu.
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We played the parking lot of a surf shop on the PCH in Malibu and >> it was kind of an incredible um thing [clears throat] because so I didn't think about it before, you know, we just sort of planned.
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We were like, "All right, well, where do we we want to do a totally unannounced show?
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We want just kind of invite friends where could we do it?"
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We asked our friends who had this surf shop Brothers Marshall >> down the road from us, hey, could we do it in your parking lot?
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Because they've been doing some events there.
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and uh and they're like, you know, they were really excited about the idea.
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So, we go there, we set up, we're doing soundtrack, and it hadn't I hadn't it hadn't totally dawned on me.
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I knew the reason we were able to basically to play there and not drive neighbors nuts is very sadly, you know, whatever it was two a year ago, a year and a half ago, you know, in the fires that that whole neighborhood just, you know, burned up.
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So it's like it was it there was this kind of like heavy experience of like I'm so grateful to live in this place and here are all these friends of mine that very local like a very community vibe when we played that show >> and but then at the same time you know it was inescapable you know feeling of like wow we were sort of like all in this together we somehow survived this like horrific natural disaster event.
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Um, and and like even during soundcheck, I'm looking literally looking at from where the stage was, I'm looking at the Pacific Ocean.
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And then when we actually were doing when we were performing, it's like there were people everywhere.
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Like literally people was probably kind of unsafe, but there were people standing on buildings all around cuz you just kind of had to it's a parking lot.
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You just had to try to get like a place to >> watch.
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>> watch. And then yeah, it was actually kind of an emotional I had like this emotional moment of feeling like wow this is like I didn't think of it like this was like it felt like this culmination of all this work I done with family with friends here's like the community all these friends I have here
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in this place that means something to me >> no one knows what's going to happen tomorrow >> that who would have thought you would even get that chance to have that adrenaline or that just basic like human experience of like hearing things crash off each other and being at the center of it and vibing off people that in itself is making me emotional. The idea
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The idea of like, wow, would I ever feel that again? Just that. >> Yeah.
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Well, and also you do I do realize like it's like I loved so much so much was baked in in terms of being making music as Beasty Boys because it was really at the core this relationship between Adam, Adam and myself and there was this friendship and that you know that didn't mean that we loved each other every day.
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We might curse each other out every day because there is like this thing of like you know I want this song to make the record, Adam wants this song.
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you know, everyone's got an opinion, >> but it's like and and you're trying to rectify like that, you know, any difference in opinions there, but you know, the fact that we all got to love each other and and and do this together and then so yeah, the fact that then I kind of am doing this, you know, I realized ultimately as I got into making this record, >> I mean, I I can't front like I'm not it's not like I all of a sudden went 180.
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It's like, all right, I'm a singer songwriter now.
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you know, I work best in this like collaborative way where it is like throwing everything, you know, I'm turning something on.
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I'm I might be leading with an idea, but I'm I'm asking everybody to like throw some paint on that and to just go and go and go and then edit afterwards.
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And so, you kind of have to have this like buy in and this like this like absolute uh trust allin of being allin.
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It's so evident even even the early images of you coming out with the with the with the band >> and everyone is like, "Oh, we're uniformed up."
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And I understand now what that represents more than anything, which is like there's no frontman really here.
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[snorts] Like I'm out front doing the lyrics and whatever, but >> we're actually one block of color.
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We're one collective >> unit.
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>> unit. And it really dawned on me this time even well with the beasties it always felt like oh it's a great creative exercise like one time they're policemen sometimes they're this sometimes they're that what that was super fun and it but it makes sense now why because it was like hey you know I
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know you may all have your favorite but we're the boys it's [clears throat] a collective >> yeah well it's a collective and I I like what you said and I also felt like it's funny what I think I think my kids kind of looked at me like what dad we're going to wear uniforms like come Come on, man. Like, man, what do you why are
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Like, man, what do you why are you And I'm like, no, listen.
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We're going to wear because like we're doing this together.
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>> And I was like, look, the same way I was like, if you go like people, like you just said, like policemen, people like, you know, I I love being on tour in Europe because everybody has a good uniform for whatever they whatever they do, you know, >> they show up for work. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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The people they show up and that's my that was exactly what I said to everyone.
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I was like, look, this we're going we're working here.
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this is like this is our thing and we're dressed and we're showing up dressed to work. >> Yeah.
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>> And um >> it's a beautiful little psychology, you know, it because it does it's like when you're on tour on your n on your 90th show and you're exhausted and you're tired and then you show up for sound check, which will probably what you wear on stage and the rest of the band is still making an effort and you're just on that one day like, "Ah, you know what?
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It's Birkenstock Wednesday."
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And everyone's like, "Bro, we're not the Birkenstock band." Like that's fine.
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You want to travel in your Berkys, that's cool.
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But bro, where the strokes? >> But that is my point.
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Like you got as part of being a band, like you got to putting on the outfit when you change backstage, then it's like that superhero.
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It's like super superman goes and puts on the cape. >> Yes.
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>> You know, got ready for war. They let's go. >> Yeah. >> Let's go. >> Yeah.
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You know, >> or in the words of the great Muel Artetta, manager of the number one team in the Premier League.
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M and congratulations by the way. [laughter] you, man.
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You you really you really made hard work of it though, didn't you?
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As a franchise, [laughter] you really did.
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It >> took us a long time. Just like the Knicks. Just like the Knicks. Just like the Knicks.
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>> All the patience has, you know, is is eventually.
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>> Congratulations to us being a lifelong Knicks fan, you know, since we're 12 years old.
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Like, I got one for that, you know, we'll take it.
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Arsenal, you know, it would be nice if England won the World Cup. Jesus.
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I reckon that's when the whole world would have just gotten sucked up into a vortex.
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You know, it's like sports was the great key that unlocked the four horsemen pawn the apocalypse ponies.
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>> Would have been like England win World Cup, Knicks win the championship, and Arsenal win the league.
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>> I was I was in London.
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Two things I was going to say is I was just I just got back from London this weekend.
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>> I can tell cuz your accent has changed. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. literally as you said that [laughter] >> you know I've been working I like one of the things I've sort of said to myself and now that I spend time in London is like I'm going to use all the British like what's the colloialisms the words and you you know you lived in London a
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long time so I want to use all the words like rubbish >> yeah safe >> or yeah or really one of my favorite ones probably shouldn't say it on air country >> yeah k is good >> kunti is good >> kunt is great >> um but use the words but I don't want I don't ever want to caught using an effective effective lean. I'm leaning in
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I'm leaning in right now. Listen, I lean in, mate. [laughter] I lean in. I lean in.
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I I pull on that passport.
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I have for 18 years, mate. 18 years. >> True. You did. You had put a long time.
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Well, no, but so my point is what I I was thinking because I knew I was going to be coming back and talking to you >> like what and I'm like, "All right, the first time you interviewed us was in London, right?" >> No. Oh no.
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Was it was it or was it down down under? >> No, no, no.
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It was on the illcommunication tour, bro.
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And it was um one of the greatest and most traumatic moments of my entire career because I spent >> You have me on the edge of my seat.
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Now, >> should I give you the 20 second breakdown?
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I think I've admitted this to you.
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>> I spent You're my favorite group of all time.
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So, I'm I'm like I I'm >> Wait, wait. All right.
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So, give me cuz we need to save that one.
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>> What's going to happen when like you have BTS on here next week?
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>> They're my favorite group of all time.
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[laughter] But anyway, >> of all time. >> Yeah, I roll.
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I'm an apologetically fly by night, man. I'm a fly by nighter. I'm an FM. I'm a FBN. Um, no, you are.
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And and so I studied and studied and studied.
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Look at my body language. I'm back into trauma.
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I studied and studied and studied and studied and did everything.
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And I was ready for fresh fest questions and all kinds of crazy in in a you know, inside baseball >> And you guys just wanted to talk about a guy called the captain. >> Oh yeah. Why were we on?
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>> You were talking about the captain and and and you'd been on Lola Palooa.
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You just come back and I think you want to talk a lot about Richard Ashcraftoft >> and he was on the bus cuz he you gave him a lift one time >> bus and then Richard Ashcraftoft.
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There was something about the Oracle. >> That's right.
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>> That's right. And then and then the bagel and the cring of the Verve >> of the Verve and then there was >> underrated band by the way now that all these like '9s you know especially Brit pop bands are are having a moment welld deserved you know like >> but Verve >> oh Northern soul is all time and I think
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you know that that yeah I mean and you know urban him a great man but yeah and you want to talk about bagels and salmon and who has what on their bagels and stuff >> bagel salmon good stuff >> great stuff all great stuff >> has not gone out of fashion by the way >> no no locks is timeless ever. It's all
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It's all great Beasty Boys material, but I was just really like wanted I don't know.
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I thought I was like Larry King or something at 21 22 and I just wanted to like get in that interview and it didn't happen.
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And I remember it ending and saying to my boss like I was the worst interview and he was like bro I'll never forget he gave me the best advice.
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He said everyone did their job. I said what do you mean?
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And he said, "Well, the Beasty Boys just took the piss out of you.
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Just ripped you to and you sat there and took it.
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[applause] >> That's exactly how it's supposed, you know, exactly how it was supposed to be."
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>> I applaud him, too, cuz actually it's a good way of like cuz it's the order of things.
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>> We would we would finish interviews like the one you just described and we would feel bad because the the person that were, >> you know, you in that would be devastated, right?
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cuz they're thinking like, wait, I they had it in their head.
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All right, I had 30 minutes and this is what I'm going to get out of it.
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And then they ended up with just this thing that they had no control over.
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And thinking like literally thinking like I'm walking away with nothing.
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Like my whole entire career.
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Everything that I've worked so hard for up to this point is all thrown in the bin >> at the at the end of the day. It ended up in the bin.
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>> At the end of the day, >> which is >> It's Yeah.
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Well, it was probably of us.
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We were being a little bit probably. Not so much.
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No, I don't think we were being We were just We were taking We were taking the piss.
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We weren't being >> What you were really good at was was everyone had their role. >> So, yeah.
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Would sit there and he'd be like just waiting.
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And every now and then he'd just I don't know though, Adam.
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I mean, and he'd chime in and he'd normally contradict you guys. >> Yeah.
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But he also would come he he'd wait and then he'd just say something that was so like outland like the biggest lie whatever he's like you know honestly Zayn like that's why we spent the last 3 years making this record in a box car
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>> I know [laughter] you just >> like riding the railway as feral passengers like that's why we did dead dead serious >> and and Edro could be just sagely nodding and then you, God bless you, would would be the only one trying to bring it back on track. >> I try to I try to mediate
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>> I try to I try to mediate >> which would serve you up to the others in a really big way.
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Getting past that, what I learned was um and we're going to get back to because you thought it was in London, but what I learned was uh to be a willing participant road show.
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No, that was in New Zealand.
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>> That was in New Zealand.
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That was in New Zealand before you relocated.
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Looking back on it, those interviews were just like, I'm so grateful for every single second I got to spend with you guys taking the piss out of me.
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It was it was the [laughter] best time ever.
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You know, there were some words that were kicking around that I read that were lovely, that were summing up kind of how this all happens and where it goes.
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And um I think I think this is okay.
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Okay, I think I think we can talk about this, you know, um that you would try to make music at one point and then it just wouldn't click with you and then you would stop and you would go back to whatever life was at that moment in time to focus on.
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And um I can imagine that was really that was really hard because to start something creative and realize it's not there. It's not.
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It may be waiting for you, but you can't find it.
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Must have been a really tough >> Well, it's not even that I could.
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It wasn't like there are those times when I'm like struggling and I wish like I had the idea, whatever. Yeah.
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>> I think in the time you're talking about it was really just that what the the feelings I had were overwhelming and it was just being really sad. Yeah.
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>> And it was just of missing this person that had >> this huge impact on me both as in terms of his life with me, right?
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Because ultimately with the relationship I had with Adam and Adam, >> like you know that that was a bigger kind of like brother, you know, or familial relationship than even my family of origin in a way in terms of like I ultimately spent more >> more decades of my life, >> more minutes, more hours in in Yeah.
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in in in my life with you know these these two other guys.
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And then plus also that Yak was always like kind of this older brother figure.
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And the fact that it that what so much of my my identity from the time I was 16 >> was wrapped up in >> uh I'm in Beasty Boys. You know what I mean?
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Like that that was like a big that was like just an inseparable >> part of for for all three of us who who we were and who we are. >> So all of that.
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And so I there I am like here I am like just trying to open up a computer file of like some music and just just this sadness of I guess it's just yeah grieving and loss and >> you know and then and then it's kind of like the easiest thing is to to kind of shut that down immediately would just shut down the computer which would shut down that feeling and then move on.
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But you know time I mean time is kind of like an incredible thing. >> Yeah it is.
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And then we kind of like and that and I think that's one of the amazing the thing with grieving.
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It doesn't we want it to actually operate on this very linear timeline, you know, like I'm going to get a little bit better.
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>> I'm going to be a little bit happier every day.
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>> I'm going to feel a little bit less feel, you know, a a bit, you know, less loss and less sadness every day.
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But it just doesn't work like that.
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>> You know, it's not just that experience you're dealing with.
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It's the other thing about grief is that it it it sort of demands you to treat it like a singularity, but life is going on around you with all of the stuff that's happening anyway. >> Yeah.
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>> It's not like it parks itself while you grieve.
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>> It's like, oh no, it's like, oh, that's why people say when it rains, it pours.
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It's like, are you kidding me?
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Well, it's like life is going to do that anyway.
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It's just you got to deal with this at the same time.
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So, you know, I guess >> although I think that's that was like the one of the huge gifts of having kids because it's like it it's there's no pause button.
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You can't tell your kids like, "Oh, I'm just I'm going to check out for >> a while."
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There's no checking out as a parent.
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You're you're on, you know, you're in or you're out.
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So, it's like you're you have got to be in it and and hope that one day hope that one day your kids can kind of look back and have enough compassion be like, "Yeah, that must have been maybe kind of a tough time for your dad."
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But that's that's about, you know, that'll maybe maybe I'll get that in 20 years or something.
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>> Nah, they come back quicker than that if they haven't already.
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I mean, I think your kids are of an age now where they already know they wouldn't want to spend that time on the road with you.
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That they'd happily sit in a studio, but they don't want to have that adventure with you.
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I think >> they go away when they come back.
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>> they go away when they come back. they reflect all the times when you got it right hopefully and then and then they and then they put you through the times that that you got it wrong and you've got to face it all down and >> um what I really loved about being in the family unit hopefully not to be too sort of like overt was that you've got this beautiful wonderful kind of
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chemistry around you know like you got this great relationship with your ex-wife and you've got this great relationship with your kids and it just felt very joyful and beautiful and so if you think back to that 15 years between making music and what it was and if we just like acknowledge the grief was a was a constant throughout that can we focus on the positives and where the personal growth has been for
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you in that time do you think with a little perspective >> yeah yeah well and that's all we got in the end of the day right I mean that's again another thing with with this this this whole aging business we keep coming back to see seems to be inescapable somehow >> well we get to be a little kinder in areas we weren't before I think >> oh hopefully I mean that's definitely to me one of like the that's another huge
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thing I of like in terms of, you know, having just done a bit of touring and then having a bunch more coming up is like, oh, I actually >> get this opportunity to be a little bit nicer to people maybe this time around than than I was when I was, you know, when I was my kid's age and I was like doing big tours and, you know, >> being a rock being a rockstar for lack of a better term. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, or behaving like a proper rock star means that that I'm not proud of.
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You know, there's there's things I am very proud of that we did, and there's a lot of ways that we acted and behaved that I'm obviously not proud of, but I think that's going to be everybody. >> That's life.
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And and also, to be fair to the three of you, you cpped to that pretty [snorts] significantly, faced it down, and then did a 180 and focused on putting good out there.
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That's one of the most amazing things about the legacy. >> Mhm.
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>> The music is the music.
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The music will always stand on its own.
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That's why it's so hard to listen to music for people who turn out to be not so such good people because the music you don't want the music to suffer for that.
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But you guys turn out to be great people who did great things for the world and focused on the right things.
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Moral Compass the Beasty Boys then is absolutely like it's unshakable my >> thank you ma'am >> in my in my opinion.
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But the Mike Dgrowth, looking back on on who you are now and what you've sort of the journey you've been on as an individual, not as a group making group decisions, what is the thing that you're most proudest of when you stand here now?
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And we've talking about music, but just as a human >> human, you know, I'm just trying I'm just trying to get stuff right.
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That's that's [laughter] that's literally it, you know, just trying and and I am proud of like my my relationship >> with my kids and everybody I collaborate with.
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But that doesn't mean on every day, you know, there's like you're talking about, oh, I everything's great, you know, you have this great rel and I do have great relationships with >> all the people you just mentioned and my current partner and you know, and on and you know, longtime management associates.
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The thing that I I realized like it's a funny thing because also with the band it was so democratic for forever >> and that was how we functioned.
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You know we had this whole thing of like you know we we we [snorts] didn't have to agree on everything but it was like a twothirds majority but if one of us absolutely disagreed with something there was like a a veto power >> even even as the third.
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>> even even as the third. So you so so so basically as grown-ups you can acknowledge that that majority wins unless it's such a powerful feeling then you acknowledge that man we trust this person enough to know there must be something going on >> well and it still doesn't feel good in that moment you're still I'm wait I'm
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part of this twothirds majority and we want to do this and you're telling us that >> no you know you're gutted >> but I'm literally gutted gutted but that served us well ultimately like for for Adam and myself but then I I do have to say I'm loving the the sort of the creative freedom in this record [clears throat] of I love everybody I've collaborated with. I'm when I'm in it, I'm in it with
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I'm when I'm in it, I'm in it with them, but [snorts] I'm end of the day.
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It's like, okay, and I I say to everybody like very clear, it's not a democracy, right?
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I'm I'm this is having my name on it, and I'm making these decisions now, making this with you.
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and I love you all, but I'm making these >> decisions and actually I kind of, >> you know, I I love and I'm still trying to be as open as possible.
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But I I kind of >> I think you're doing everybody a favor at the end of the day.
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I mean, look, if if you choose to create a democracy from high school or earlier and ride into the sunset together, then that's like you there has to be a dogma.
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But if you're starting this again, then then then creating some guidelines for everybody to work within, I think, actually is more freeing in a strange way because it means you really got to give a when you give an opinion.
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But also, you also got to accept that it may not it's okay. >> Yeah, >> it's okay.
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>> Well, also I've been I've lived that life of like and I know >> I know the pain it comes with in terms of like the loss.
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So, I'm I'm enjoying every second of like, yeah, this song >> you you guys might all think I'm crazy, but this is going on the record. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> But I also am open to hearing like you guys are all sick telling me like I'm blowing it completely [laughter] by not putting this song on the record.
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Please tell me that you know >> and and your your to and to be specific your boys are comfortable saying dad like Well, first of all, is it dad or is it Mike in the studio? Honest question.
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It changes over, you know, it'll it'll vacillate and sort of change over time.
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But now the current one is m they they kind of they were making fun.
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Um we we we've had the good fortune of spending parts of our winters in in Hawaii to go there to surf and it's a beautiful thing and thank you Hawaii for having us.
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Um, and uh, some some of the local boys that were calling me Mikey.
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>> And [snorts] so they absolutely thought that was the most hilarious thing ever.
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So that's they're they're they're down with Mikey. >> Mikey's great. >> They love Mikey. >> Mikey's great.
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It's It's like, you know what?
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It's Mikey's cheeky, too.
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For I think for I think for a kid to call your dad Mikey's kind of kind of sound.
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I I cannot escape the feeling of of I feel what it must a fraction of what it must feel like for you to be able to spend this kind of time together in a creative environment to travel to fire up whatever drum machines or synths or minimal outboard version of what you have back in in Malibu just with your kids and whoever. Just what a life.
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amazing way to spend the day. >> Yeah, it is. Yeah.
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I mean, and we get to do it as as sort of like this uh bigger family unit, right?
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Because it's not just like kids and myself.
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It's like whoever is around. Yes. That's the 5D.
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But but um and I think you know on the one hand it's it's an interesting thing because I think on the one hand I always my my whole life with my kids we've sort of traveled together places together.
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So like I mean literally when they were little little they were on tour >> with us as a band.
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So that's kind of they what they >> um know and what they know with me.
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Um, but then it's actually kind of been an incredible thing in terms of doing this tour because I I didn't, you know, I sort of have this gift like I was talking earlier about being I stay pretty naive about a lot of things and like I didn't I didn't realize like it just sort of effortlessly happened like all right, I'm going to I have to put this band together to go on tour.
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They were involved in the record.
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like I'd love to have you be on this tour, but totally understand if you want to prioritize other things. So, oh no, no, no, Dad.
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We're, you know, let's we're in.
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Let's do this Mikey thing, right?
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And then, uh, so they're in there doing this Mikey thing.
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But I didn't realize I that basically you're when it comes to like being in a band and performing live, it's very simple.
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You either in terms of the role that you have, you either cut it or you don't. There's no gray area. >> You know what I mean?
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you're either getting it done or you're out.
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There's no And so actually seeing how hard they work and how good they are at it is kind of like that's like the ultimate like parent uh gratifying thing.
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And that is like >> your your heart and your head must explode in equal measure at various moments for a split second where you turn around and see >> them killing it and doing their job. >> Yeah. and you're like, damn.
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Like, this isn't me sitting in the back watching somebody achieve something.
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Like, we're achieving this together.
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And it's like a beautiful like, yeah, great, man. >> Yeah, bro. And 100%.
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And then it's like Davis, who's my my oldest son, who's my he's my MD, my musical director.
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It's like, so we're there doing soundcheck.
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I'm having I'm like >> running the song. I'm on the mic.
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So he's going every single time he's in the front of house working with the front of house engineer like this should be this. Oh, you know what? You guys do it again.
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We need to get this sounding. And it's like this.
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It's like the fact that I get to have this, you know, like this superpower of having uh other ears and eyes on what we're doing.
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And that's that's what it takes to kind of like elevate, you know, >> elevate yourself.
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Like I mean unless you're prince. >> Unless you're prince. >> Unless you're Prince.
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Cuz I always there was amazing Prince stories I would hear that like literally at at some point he he actually did away I guess with having from a house mix position because he would just do it himself.
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>> He had a a console set up behind a stage but he somehow >> was so [snorts] good he could into it >> what like people in the audience were hearing.
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I don't know how he, you know, >> I mean, Jimmy Jam tells amazing stories about when there were the time and and and Prince was in the band, but Prince would would be late to rehearsal.
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>> So, [snorts] he's not Prince and the band.
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He's in the band, >> but he would be late >> and walk in and be like, "What are you playing there, Jimmy Jam?"
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And they're like, "Aren't you just the guy who's in the band?" Like, "What the fuck?"
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But he just immediately like assumed the role. Yeah.
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because he knew what he was capable of.
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>> I feel like from birth like >> Yeah, that's some other worldly.
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>> That's some other worldly.
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>> Well, that's like also like this great Jesse Johnson, you know, one of the great from the time, one of the great R&B guitarist of all time and then I forget who was I think it was Dave from Chromo was doing like a podcast with him and he was like bringing up song after song like this.
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Oh man, that part's great.
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and and Justin Johnson would just be like, "Yeah, Prince bring up another song."
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[laughter] >> Uh, yeah, Prince played D. >> Prince totally.
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I I you know, I mean, I think about people like that and I think about um if you're curious and you open and you're open, which you are both things, >> um you can't help but but but think that there's more to it all than this and this and this, right?
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It's all math and magic and and and I know that you you know you you are curious about that.
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I mean I think some of the language and some of the the lyrics and some of the stories and the emotions in this album came from um some meditation spaces and going out on retreats and things like that.
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And when did you start doing that?
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Cuz I I can't tell whether that over overlapped with Y's fascination and curiosity with it or where that came after.
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where that came after. Yeah, I say like around the same I mean in terms of trajectory when with Yak the first time that he literally we were recording and then he was like taking off to uh go to Dharmala or something and we were like >> you're going where what you're doing
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what and like you know that really >> you know it's it's like an interesting >> thing when somebody that you've grown up with >> is all a sudden so you know is so impacted by something, they're like, "No, well, I'm doing this and it's this thing that's completely foreign to you." Like, but then you start to see that it
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Like, but then you start to see that it actually the the effect that it's having on them. >> Yeah.
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>> Is is only positive and positive and it's making everything else more positive.
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That's a very intox like >> I don't know if intoxifying is the right thing, but you know, it makes you more interested and more open to that.
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So then I think around that same time then, >> you know, we we were becoming like a bigger and bigger band.
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you know, we went from check your head to ill communication.
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communication. Um, and then I became interested and I became more serious about having a yoga practice just because I think like I came from, you know, we all came from this like crazy world in New York City that we was the most beautiful like place in terms of all this incredible music all around us all the time and like all these artists have moved to New York at the time to just,
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you know, it was like this cheap place where they could live and just be the most >> free genuine like version of themselves, you know, whether it's like Arthur Russell moving from the Midwest to Patty Smith to, you know, Allan [snorts] Burns, Alan Ginsburg to I mean, and then you have this explosion of like hiphop that really is like the native music of New York that is just like this huge cultural expression. And it's all
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And it's all happening in these clubs that we grew up in downtown and it's beautiful, but at the same time it, you know, it was pretty high attrition rate.
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Like we we had this incredible freedom growing up in all of that.
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>> You're absorbing a lot.
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>> A lot of our friends died, you know, like there was like drugs happening all around us.
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So like, you know, people die from that And then we have friends who are raids that didn't, you know, we somehow make it and everyone's like, "Well, you're the one rap group."
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But, you know, it's like, yeah, there's all these friends of ours who didn't make it that literally died.
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And then you know then you had the AIDS epidemic hit and you had people like all these people that were in the clubs where we were like a Keith Herring like and the people who weren't huge names just you know gone and then so you know but you don't you're you're you're teenagers and then you're and then we're like 19 20 years old and we're putting you know going on tour and then putting License to Ill out into the world.
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You don't really, it's not like we ever had time to feel any of this or deal >> uh with any of it.
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So, I guess like we had this like great freedom, but we we also had never I guess what I'm trying to say is then now we're on tour.
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It's like pretty pretty nonstop, you know, a lot from both check your head and in through communication.
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And then it was kind of like when I first started first started discovering meditation and yoga practice was like the first time I ever actually realized I had a a nervous system.
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[laughter] >> You know what I mean?
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I never like now it's like >> is it appropriate? >> Yeah, it is.
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>> Cuz now it's like this common job air horn on the nervous system.
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[laughter] Well, kind of like every every other podcast you listen to, it's like, well, you know, for your nervous system. >> Yeah.
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>> People love say talking about cortisol.
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People love talking about all >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, we know a lot now. >> Yeah, we do know.
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[laughter] We like to tell people, >> but then it's like all this time like I look back, I should have known, but I didn't know anything, you know?
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So, it's kind of like that all resonated.
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What I'm trying to say, it's like all of that resonated a lot with me.
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And I think like seeds were planted [clears throat] for for a reason.
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like I needed that to sort of like survive and get through it and to also grow.
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There's a reason we all able to grow as a band and the work was able to kind of grow because we had like this >> openness.
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So I think when it came to making this record it was like this continuum where I actually really got to see like oh this is pretty cool.
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oh this is pretty cool. like I have some of these tools some of these things like the thing I was talking about having these notebooks of like things like h it makes like writing instead of struggle you know it's still a struggle every
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time and I'm still thinking like oh god what am I doing I I don't even know if I'm getting anywhere this song uh it's all going to be you know all going to be rubbish >> and the bin no it's all going in the bin no one's going to give a anyway but
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at the same time like I have these like you know the fact that I can it it gets a a little bit easier in terms of I I can just tap into um because I have enough enough in the tank in terms of like just I'm I'm able to tap into some things in terms of my
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writing and also just just really being clear on like being able to like okay what's our what it's like kind of like simple >> simple math >> stuff of like I'm so lucky I get to get I get to go show up in the studio with everybody. But now I'm a little bit old
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But now I'm a little bit old like where I feel like it's funny.
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I look back at it and when we [clears throat] had the studio here in Los Angeles called Gson that Bways worked out out of for years, you know, I had we had a whole ritual like I'd show up mid midday.
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We make like I'd turn on the coffee machine like make >> get the coffee going >> then I'd start rolling a spliff and I'd start uh formatting floppy discs because at the time >> for in sampling technology.
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The Echo S1000 ain't going to do itself. >> Exactly.
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So you had like NPC 16 the the new SP uh 1200 like you had to format these discs.
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So you're like hitting these little buttons on the little like gray screen and like format disc now.
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And then I had my whole like holy trinity going of like get the coffee going that's going to take 10 minutes.
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Start formatting the discs.
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That's going to take 10 minutes.
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And while all that's happening, I can roll a spliff.
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>> It all works perfect and then I'm ready to work.
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But like the nice thing about the age is like now I'm able to be like, okay, what do I want to make today?
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And then I get to make it.
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You know, at that time it was just kind of like hoping that oh it would come or it wouldn't come.
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And if it didn't come then you put on a Lee Scratch Perry record and start playing some basketball.
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One of the things I love about what you have done throughout your life is you've been is you've generously The way I describe the Beasty Boys was this to anyone who used to ask me I'd be like the Beasty Boys kind of raised us like our family gave birth to us, nurtured us, supported us, and did their very best.
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But with that came trauma and old learnings and everything else.
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The Beasty Boys was this kind of pure um mature rel like it was like a relationship like like they they brought us in and the magic act that you and your friends did was you showed us what was cool and what a great life could be.
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But you gave us the freedom to make our own decisions and not tell us if what we were wearing was or the job we chose to do wasn't worthy or anything.
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and you were just like, "Here's a really cool option. Golfing's in.
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Kind of up to you whether you want to go plus fours or just dabble, but golfing's hot.
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>> We'll leave it up to you to decide."
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>> And that kind of gave us the chance to make decisions ourselves.
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But at the same time, we got an education and you educated us on what life could be, which was make coffee, format discs, [laughter] roll spliff, and repeat. >> Yeah.
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And repeat day after day after day.
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I think if anything, regardless again of how important these records are and how much we all still listen to them, maybe that that should be a reminder that, you know, there is generation after generation of people who chose to to do what we love, not to put too fine a point on it thanks to people like yourselves. >> Oh, thank you, man.
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Well, I I >> because you live by cuz you live by example. That's what I'm saying.
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>> Well, yeah, but I just look at like we were we were lucky enough like talking about that the New York world that we grew up in of like being exposed to all this cool stuff.
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this cool stuff. all happening at one time and >> at that time pre digital world I think New York was like there's plenty of other metropolises around the world but New York was the one place where you had all this music happening you know there were all these incredible scenes like
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look what you know you had in Manchester yeah but but you don't have ESG right >> no exactly but actually but that but like I was just reading this book like with Hienda like all those guys were looking actually they were in this they were like the New Order guys and all like the factory records. They were all going to
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They were all going to New York and they were actually in the same clubs that we were when we were like 16 years old because we were all like drawn by the same cultural things, the same music happening.
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We were like, "This is the vibe."
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And they happened to be from Manchester and then they were like, "Oh no, we're going to open up a club.
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We're going to that's [clears throat] what we're going to do there."
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And we had our version of it.
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Oh, we're going to have a band and we're going to do this. You know what I mean?
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But it's it's cool that that can you know it's just like it hopefully so the fact that we get to inspire people from all this stuff >> that we got inspired by. >> That's the joy. That's the trade. That's the trade.
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That's what it's all about.
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That's what that's why we have this record.
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That's what the gratitude is like for me.
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Like I'm saying thank you not just for everything you've done, but the fact that you're back with another record.
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It's like what a beautiful thing to press play on a Mike D album.
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Well, but you know the moment you came by with the rehearsals not to not to stage you >> not so great back then >> that was a little bit of a struggle >> nerve-wracking >> little little you were like these guys I he's may oh this could be bad this could be bad then >> may have said to our mutual Shelby on my way out like call me when it's ready. >> Yeah.
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[laughter] See, but it's like look at that time when you were in the rehearsal studio.
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>> Come a long way, my friend.
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>> It would come a long way, but that was like that was the percolating time.
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That's like we had the coffee maker going.
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>> You definitely already had the spliff. We were four men.
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>> No, you [laughter] definitely had the spliff already. That was rolled.
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Just FYI, that was already rolled cuz trying to watch you guys try to [laughter] figure out I'm not going to go too granular, but at one point one of the drum machines wasn't working and I was watching I can't remember which one was someone was trying to get the drum machine to work and >> I was like, "Okay." >> Yeah. Split's been rolled. >> Yeah.
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And some But this is, you know, you have a lot of these moments in the studio. A lot of these moments.
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>> Um the natural way for us to to to pause here [snorts] >> would be to um to ask a very simple question, which is like um can you do we get album 10? Do we get album 20?
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Do we just do we just keep going here and just because >> it's the doors open, right?
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The portal is open again, right?
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the magic has presented itself.
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So, it's not to say it's not gonna it's not going to deny you.
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So, what do you want to do, you know? >> Yeah.
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No, no, it's a good question.
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And I actually asked my I mean, it's I love I'm super happy right now with the 5D with us getting to kind of play this music out in the world right now with the with the tour and everything that we're doing.
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>> But I'm also conscious of I don't want it to go too long because I also we've already started new music.
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already started new music. like I just want to be I I do miss the the freedom of just you know like there's a certain thing of like I loved making this record uh here in Los Angeles because we worked on a lot of a lot of it in in our studio like I mentioned but then with some of
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the people I collaborated with like Carter Lang >> in particular I would go to his studio to work with him and >> I would just love my because I was like I would in my drive over to to Carter's on the east side would take me like whatever, 45 minutes, an hour or whatever. And in that time, I just like
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And in that time, I just like kind of like really get to focus in on like, hm, what do we want to make today?
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And then I just get to go and, you know, sit with him and he's got every toy in the, you know, even beyond our crazy arsenal of uh all kinds of esoteric vintage stuff, his is equal and beyond.
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So, the fact that we get to then just go I get to say like, you know what, Carl, we got to make something like this today.
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and we get to just do it.
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Like I just don't want to be too too far away from that.
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Like I I that is for me >> such a happy place.
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Like I I like why let's just keep that while that is the feeling.
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Let's keep that as like the vibe right now.