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>> A former presidential adviser to Donald Trump, Dina Pal McCormack joined Meta Platforms as president and vice chairwoman.
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>> Please welcome Dena Powell McCormick. see you. Thanks for coming out. >> Hey, good to see you.
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All right, good to see you. >> How are you?
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Dina, thank you for being here.
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Um, you know, we were just finishing up a conversation with Satcha about how do we tell the story about the benefit of data centers and what they're doing to communities and why they're actually net economically positive.
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And I know you so I'm going to get right into it because I know you actually have a video on this.
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Do you want to just start with your video? Would that be okay? >> That'd be great.
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I mean, I just want to say so psyched uh to be at the All-In Summit, first time to speak, and as long as this episode and panel gets way more listeners and views than Senator McCormix did when he came on, I'll be very, very happy with that.
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So, now we can now we can roll the tape. No competition. >> Good.
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We'll put it on Poly Market. Let's watch the video.
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>> Richmond Parish was the place that opportunity forgot about.
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I've grown up here my whole life and I've seen a lot of people move away looking for work, including my son.
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What you were hearing a lot lately was there's nothing here for us anymore.
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We knew that having a data center would give us an industry here that we haven't had before.
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That's a huge investment in our community.
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We started this business simply because meta was coming.
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We thought we had hit it big when we got to cater for 40 people. Now we do 400 a week.
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>> Since Meta came to town, we've hired more employees.
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>> A multi-billion dollar capital investment like the one that Meta is making in Richland Parish is it was transformative.
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It's extremely exciting to attract and retain quality teachers.
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So, when I first got the news about the bonus, it was jaw-dropping.
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My mouth was literally wide open.
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We're not in it for the money.
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We're teachers because it's in our heart.
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But the bonus has been extremely helpful.
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>> With the investment that Meta has made in our community, now we can do a better job of taking care of our home.
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>> I do feel a lot of hope for the future of my students.
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It gives them the opportunity they never thought that they would have.
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And I would say one of the biggest things is people coming back home.
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>> You know, the future's happening here and happening now.
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>> You have some folks from the video here. >> I do. Can come on out. Come on out, >> Sheldon.
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and Susan, we have the superintendent from that video, the superintendent in Richland Parish.
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>> Thanks for joining us. Pleasure. >> Hi, sir.
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>> Thanks for joining us. Hi, how are you? Come on down. >> Good to meet you. How are you?
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>> Thank you for being here. >> Thanks for having us.
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>> You want to do an introduction? >> Sure. What an honor.
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It's an honor uh for me to be here with Sheldon and Susan.
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Uh we've spent a lot of time in Louisiana.
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It's our largest data center investment uh for Meta and I've been with them in Louisiana.
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And what is remarkable to me is just the leadership that frankly the governor has shown.
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Susan is the commerce secretary for Louisiana, the economic development um secretary, and Sheldon uh who I'm going to let him speak for himself, but he is such an inspirational figure there.
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and he is the one that realized that because of our investment the tax surplus would go straight to teachers and maybe you can talk just a little bit about that. >> Yes.
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So it's great to be here.
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Um I just think back to my first interaction with Meta.
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Uh it was in the summer of 2024 and um it was at our local community college and I just remember after the meeting getting in my car and uh it's hot in Louisiana so I turned the air on and I just sat there and I said the game has changed.
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Um this is going to give our parish an opportunity to do something that it's never been able to do.
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So, when the groundbreaking ceremony happened in December of 2024, um I could immediately start to see the increase in our sales tax collections.
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Um there are six taxing entities in our parish.
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The Richland Parish School Board collects 51% of the taxes for the district.
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Um, so I was able to see the sales tax collections go from 5% 10% which is normal for a school system to about 60 or 70%.
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And at that time the number of workers at the data center site increased.
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Um, those collections peaked at about 260%.
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That's an increase in sales tax collections.
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Um, and so we have a 1 cent and a 1/2 cent sales tax that's dedicated to employee salaries.
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And so we're announcing these sales tax increases at our schoolboard meetings.
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And we're educators, so people can do the math.
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They start to figure out this is going to translate into a larger sales tax check, which directly goes into our salaries.
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So in December of 2025, we gave out a 1 half cent sales tax check.
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That check doubled from the previous year.
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So it went from roughly about $4,000 to about $8,000, but we hadn't seen a full year of spiked increases in sales tax collections.
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That happened this past June.
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Uh, so our certified employees received an increase of about $40,000 in their sales tax. >> $40,000 check.
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>> They got a $50,000 check. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow.
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>> So the check the previous year was $10,000.
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So if you take that December increase and the June increase, it was a a net of about $45,000 for our teachers.
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>> Did they all Cuz the reason Dina and I were talking about this panel and everyone hates data centers.
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They pull 80 in the United States.
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And Dina was telling me the story and I was like, we should tell this story because it is unbelievable.
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Did the teachers and the community have this negative sentiment about data centers before?
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Were they all, we hate data centers, we don't want them here or was that before this wave happened and the community didn't really kind of pay much attention to it?
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>> I think initially there was the unknown.
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Um, and we are we are the beginning. We're a starting point.
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There was no reference for us to to access.
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We couldn't say, "Okay, well, when the last time, when was the last time we had a $50 billion capital investment in our schools?"
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So, how did we handle that?
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So, yeah, where, you know, a few million dollars, that's that's that's huge for us.
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So, um, there was there was anxious thoughts.
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Um, I think Meta has done an excellent job of informing us and educating us and that's going to have to continue to happen.
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Oftent times this communication is not about the most for informed person in the community.
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It's about the least informed person in the community.
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So, we're working to make sure that we continue to get that positive message out about the good things that are happening because there are a lot of good things that are happening in our parish. >> Yeah.
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I think to the superintendent's point, um, Louisiana was a little bit late to the data center game, which has actually worked remarkably well to our benefit in that the the meta investment was the first one in the state.
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Um and because of the partnership, the way um we negotiated the deal, I call it a a partnership, not a negotiation, frankly, all all along.
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Um the community when we first brought the idea even prior to you knowing, superintendent, um the community wasn't apprehensive because there was a great deal of unknown.
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Now, keep in mind this was now about 20 months ago is when we started the conversation there.
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Um so, so the the chatter wasn't as much as it is now.
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But you're talking about a community that was really starved for opportunity.
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As you saw in the video, you know, we had lost population.
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Uh the average wages in Richland Parish were roughly 36 $38,000 a year prior to this investment.
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So, um, the data center went to a place in Louisiana, you know, Mississippi Delta Parish that was Mississippi River Delta.
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Obviously, it was it was longing for this opportunity and we got ahead of that and I think we got ahead of that very wisely in the way we um addressed both the concerns, the impact on the community, um, the good impact on the community and the natural resources and all the things we're hearing right in a weird way.
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And all of this noise is actually somewhat beneficial in the sense that you may just want to go to Dena and say we'll just take all your data centers because you can't I mean I mean quite honestly >> I think our governor would actually continuous change in the in the earnings potential of normal average Americans. >> Yeah.
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We the governor just signed an executive order a few months ago creating a framework for us under which we will engage with large load users. Right.
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And the privilege that it gives us now is we get to be choosy, right?
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We we have a a sales tax exemption which is critical to be able to land an investment of this size and this scale.
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But now we get to really court who our partners are going to be and the governor claims it all the time that META really was the prototype for us and it set a very high standard.
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Um and that's now the standard we're going to follow.
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We are not one of those states who is saying no.
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Um we are one of those states that are saying yes and >> yeah.
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So maybe you could help us with it's pretty clear the economic case for you know building uh and growing and creating jobs.
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Take us through the list of valid concerns communities have.
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One of them is pollution.
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I'm not sure if this is running off of gas or if it's all solar and renewables.
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Increased electricity cost.
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Water closed loop versus non-clos loop.
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Noise pollution and aesthetics.
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These buildings are awfully ugly typically as created.
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Um, did any of those apply?
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Did you get any of that feedback from the community? >> Our journalist. >> What's that? >> Our journalist. >> No, no, no.
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Actually, it's not journalism.
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Actually, what it is is it's facts, Saxs.
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These are the facts of Dina the people. Hold on, I'll finish.
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Uh, these are the facts that community members have valid concerns about.
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There are people who have had data centers put next to them that are polluting, that are creating noise, and there are valid water concerns, and there are communities where their electricity went up.
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So, I'm asking a serious question based on facts.
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I'm wondering if any of those apply to you.
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>> Yeah, Janie, you said this was going to be easy. No, no, no.
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Um, yeah, clearly, you know, we're all people, right?
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We all hear, we all have the same concerns.
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Um, again, some of it was that we got very lucky with the timing of all this because those issues were addressed before they became in the public forum of issues.
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You know, number one, this was farmland.
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This was agricultural land.
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Um, and early on in the conversations with with the Meta team.
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Um, they they made a decision to use a more expensive but more efficient system that actually uses less water than was being used on that land when it was being farmed. Right?
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It's not a statistic you hear very often.
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The second piece about the energy, clearly we're we're hearing it um across the board, but there are two really critical components to this.
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Number one is that Louisiana has abundant natural gas.
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We have about 32,000 miles of natural gas pipelines in Louisiana today if we don't add another mile.
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So, we have access to natural gas everywhere.
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Um but but in the in the relationship that Meta created with Entury, the the energy provider there, um from day one, before this was a an executive order from the president or even the governor, Meta paid for its own generation.
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It paid for grid resilience.
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It paid for grid upgrades. It paid for storm costs.
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Louisiana has storm assessments when we have hurricanes.
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It happens every now and then.
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It's paying for storm costs in a state where they didn't operate right when these hurricanes hit.
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So, it's actually taking burdens off of the Louisiana consumer.
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Um, so all those issues were issues and they were addressed with the original um negotiated deal.
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And I will say it's really why it's become the prototype for how we move forward with others.
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>> This is a question for you.
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You used to be the deputy national security adviser.
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So answer this maybe with just a bit of that hat on.
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I mean Jason brings up valid concerns but then there's this data that is so clear for you but also for others.
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I mean you just heard from Satya.
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Why is this misinformation campaign winning so soundly in America? >> What has happened? Like what is going on? >> Sure.
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Well, I think first the questions that Jason raised are really legitimate questions.
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And I think we start with a premise that if a community doesn't want one of our data centers, they get to choose. They get to decide.
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But that we actually have to upfront and way more aggressively explain what our investment and partnership means.
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And we have a compact, a compact that Susan and Sheldon are describing.
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First, not just pay for your own electricity.
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Make sure that you're working to drive electricity costs down.
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The second is the water issue.
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It's very real in farmlands and rural communities, but there's absolutely now new technology, in fact, AIdriven technology that makes you able to uh actually increase water consumption.
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The third is the teachers.
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I'll be very honest, this was not our idea.
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This actually happened because this law uh allows or in fact mandates that every extra dollar of tax surplus goes directly to the teachers and the superintendent was telling me things that just are so remarkable.
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Used to have a hard time recruiting teachers.
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Now his phone is ringing off the hook throughout Louisiana.
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Teachers wanting to come there and this may end up being the best school district um in the entire state.
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And now we have taken that learning and we're investing in teachers and first responders.
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And you saw of course the economic development impact for small businesses.
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That's our compact everywhere we go.
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Meta um makes sure that we makes sure that we do those things.
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But to answer your question, Shimoth, I don't think that our industry has done a good job communicating just just flat out we have to do a better job.
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But before you can communicate anything, you've actually got to be meaningful and have real impact.
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And so we've started with the premise that we want to be the best actor and the best partner possible.
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and now having frankly the impact that we see in Louisiana.
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We're very proud of the impact we're having in Texas and Ohio, but I think we have to tell these stories more.
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And I know you're alluding to where is this information coming from?
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You know, I was just with um Chairman Cotton and Vice Chairman Mark Warner and the intelligence committees.
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You know, they do believe they have evidence that our adversaries are trying to jin this up.
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I can't comment on that, but what I can tell you is if you wanted to stop America right now, what would you do?
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This is exactly what you would try to do.
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if you were any of our adversaries, you would want us to stop building data centers in the United States so that we could uh you know, we we would not be on a path to being AI uh dominant in the world.
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This is what you would do.
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So whether they're doing it or not, this is definitely an approach you would take.
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And I I actually said to them very respectfully, these are great jobs and the communities that want the jobs, want the teacher bonuses, want these investments should be allowed to have them.
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and those that don't should opt out.
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But we certainly don't want uh our companies, our my company and our peers to start thinking about building data centers.
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>> It's so easy to debunk these issues.
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The water one is the one that just confounding that confounding that that narrative keeps staying alive.
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I think you did an amazing job.
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>> There's a clip on X of this woman with this bottle of dirty water that she trucks around and and you're just like >> so good.
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>> There's there's there's no >> You know what? You know what I love?
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I love that it's a federated republic that the founders designed and some states are going to win, some states are going to be idiots and they're going to lose and you know, you guys are going to have this incredible economic advantage.
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>> Yeah, I do want to add to to Dena's point as well, just as the teachers are calling Sheldon to consider going to his parish to teach.
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The minute that got announced um that y'all were giving $50,000 bonuses, I can't tell you how many leaders of rural parishes in Louisiana called me and said, "Secretary, do do y'all have any who are considering our parish? Please bring one here."
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So, so the global narrative is not happening in Louisiana.
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I frankly, I don't believe it's happening everywhere the way the propaganda >> calling you from across the country like other states saying, "Is this real? How did this work?"
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and starting to kind of lean in and see if they can participate.
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>> So, historically, one of the challenges we've had as a rural school system is that our best and our brightest will they they'll they'll do exceptionally well in school.
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They may even go to our local universities, but but when they leave, I have a good idea in my head that they're not coming back to Richland Parish because we can't offer jobs that that attract them.
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So they they leave and they go to other states and they go to other cities.
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And now we're able to to to write our own narrative that if you want to leave and go, you can, but you don't have to.
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We have opportunity here for you here in Richland Parish.
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You have the ability to stay here to raise your family.
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And I think it's changing the narrative in our parish.
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Well, Dina, I know you've got another video for us to watch also on um how do we get more workers to come and participate in this growing economy.
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Um while we watch that, why don't we thank Susan and Sheldon for joining us.
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Thank you both for being here. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. Yeah, that was great.
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Fantas Thank you so much.
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Appreciate you very much.
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Appreciate you coming out. Thank you so much.
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>> I've always wanted to do something big.
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I know that this is the program that I need to be in in order to discover that.
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>> In order for a lot of technology to advance, we need the infrastructure.
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Meta is blessing these guys with the opportunity to be a part of that to help lay foundation for the future.
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>> You can come into the program with no prior experience after you finish your four weeks here, be able to go into the workforce.
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I'm grateful for this opportunity.
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I'm excited to actually get to do the work.
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>> To have a group of students who are taking the opportunity serious and are doing it with passion, that means everything.
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>> Once they're able to finish our course, there's so many different paths that they can take.
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The more that we learn and establish this workforce, the more we can impact future generations.
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>> I feel like it will change the world. I'm ready to work.
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you were telling me a story about like a posting for fiber optic technician.
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Can you just tell that story because I think it's incredible. Sure.
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>> So, um, even in our site in Louisiana, one of the issues is that we just can't find enough workers and you really need a set of obviously welders and pipe fitters and construction workers, electricians.
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Uh but there's something that every data center site really needs fiber technicians, the people that just actually lay and cut the fiber.
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And we just could not find enough people.
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And so we just made a curriculum and we partnered with a few people CBRE and others.
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And uh we realized that this program just didn't exist.
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So we decided if you can do it for fiber technicians, why not go beyond?
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It's a fiveweek fasttrack training program where you get all of your safety training.
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You get uh designated something called job site ready. So you can get the job.
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We at Meta guarantee you a job if you graduate on one of our data center sites and you have that certification with you whether you want to stay at our site or elsewhere.
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And the missing piece is that while there are, as David Saxs has said over and over again, there are 500,000 open jobs for these uh roles over the next couple of years, but there was this gap between people actually getting those jobs.
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And it's because it turns out if you're a waitress or you're an Uber driver or you are a home healthare worker, you live paycheck to paycheck.
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You cannot afford to take that time time off unpaid.
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The training is weirdly very expensive.
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OSHA training and things like that.
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And what if you do that and you don't get a job?
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So we launched America's Workforce Academy.
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Uh we launched it I don't know four months ago.
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40,000 Americans applied.
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We've graduated 250 people >> and we have a 90% retention rate.
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So people that are getting into these contractor jobs uh on our data center sites um you can see they've learned a new trade, they've left behind a job that wasn't as fulfilling and that of course every company that's hiring them um is just thrilled.
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It's also something that's interesting, David, that you and I talked about, which is we um have partners across the board in this program.
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We called we didn't put META in the name because we are so excited to be working with other companies that are interested in recruiting these workers as well.
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Um, but we're working with the unions.
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Sean McGarvey, uh, the head of the trades, NABU, um, is a friend and we made a great partnership with him there.
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Some of those workers are on union sites, some are non-union.
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But an interesting voice that has emerged in this debate is the unions.
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The union leadership now is saying, "We want to be anti- the anti-data center backlash. These are our jobs.
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These are for our people."
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And so they actually put out even before the midterms um a note saying they are only going to support candidates that support data centers.
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>> How much uh balance the big how much balance sheet capital does it take to get this thing off the ground and do you see the other majors the big eight kind of joining forces and having this new educational track kind of become a deacto standard in America?
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>> You know all of us are working on this.
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In fact, I just talked to Ruth Porat at Google.
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She's done an incredible job um on workforce and she's actually brought together uh we're we're going to join this alliance.
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Larry Frink at BlackRock has joined the alliance.
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She's bringing together other companies.
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You know, we we might uh you know, might compete on models and products, but we don't want to compete on people.
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We we as an industry, I think, are doing this part well where we're really working together because anybody that gets trained to work on a metadata center site can certainly go to a Google site or a Microsoft site.
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And so this is a place where we've really come together.
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>> How do you how do you expand the capacity?
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So there's 40,000 that applied, but you picked 400. >> Yeah.
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>> That's 39,600 that >> Yeah.
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And and and we started 4 months ago and now uh we're literally getting calls from Mary Bar at GM.
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I'll I'd like a thousand employees, you know, once you have the curriculum and the certification and the partners to deliver it.
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Uh you can do these everywhere.
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We're doing them in community colleges, VFW halls.
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In that particular program, you actually have to have a site that's kind of like a model data center so that you can show how to train the fiber technicians.
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But we're working with the Association of Builders and Contractors.
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They have, you know, thousands and thousands of of uh places across the country where they operate.
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>> Why why is it so expensive outside of you guys basically backstopping this to get something like job site ready and OSHA awareness?
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I mean this should seem like you go online and >> I think the thing that we unlocked is that we actually pay during the training what you would get if you are already in the job.
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It used to be that there's a very low fee or an apprentice fee for so long that it wasn't you know it wasn't the full pay payment of the job.
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And so we do that from the beginning.
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Um, and then of course these jobs.
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I mean, David and I've been in Pittsburgh with with uh some of these workers and you know, these are jobs.
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Welders make $120,000 a year in Pittsburgh.
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That is meaningful great work.
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And I think the unlock that we're very proud of with this program is that there just wasn't a clear and fast path to getting on the job site and to having a guaranteed job.
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>> It's great that you have these jobs because with AI progressing so quickly, these developers are going to need something to do.
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And so I think they can segue into electrician jobs. I'm kidding obviously.
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Uh but absolutely fantastic work on the data centers. Fully supported.
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Great job on the meta glasses. Amazing.
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And and this effort >> Where are your metagasses, Jason?
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I gave you such >> They're right here on the bag. I right in my backpack.
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Uh they're they're No, they're actually u super impressive.
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And this effort >> this effort is truly impressive.
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But you said you wanted me to do a fast ball or two.
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Uh, and you you didn't want it to be >> She didn't say that.
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Jal, >> she literally asked me for at least one one fast. >> Jal fast ball. Uh, >> you did.
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Okay, so we'll just keep it all softball before you ask question.
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Please, please come back. >> Go ahead, Jason. >> No, no, no. We can just go. We'll go softballs. The boys prefer. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Well, I mean, we we have meta here and you just paid the largest settlement in second only to the tobacco industry.
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Uh, and just ahead of BP oil, u, two of the biggest disasters this country ever faced.
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And this one is particularly tough >> and they wonder why they call him fake news.
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>> Um uh no I I I numbers are wrong.
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I'm I'm happy to talk about the meta glasses if you prefer.
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>> I'm so glad go read your effective altruism.
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>> I'm actually really glad you asked me about it because >> yeah well no let me finish the question.
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You you may not be >> um so uh I'm going to lean in now so to speak.
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Um the the real I think challenge a lot of us have with Facebook as an organization and and these are amazing.
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The videos are super inspiring and well produced.
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But you guys really did damage significant damage to children.
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You knew that these products were too addicting.
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And the philosophy of the company from the beginning when Shamath was there, hey, move fast, break things, let's go super fast.
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My my my sincere question is how has the culture changed inside of Facebook and you're making a new series of potentially more addicting products with character-based AI companions with Muse as a product.
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So I'm curious what's changed in the organization and what did you learn from that record setting find and something that is you could have done a lot better on.
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>> Um well I totally disagree with basically every single premise in your question. >> Totally fine.
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billion dollar settlement says otherwise.
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>> Do I get to speak or are you done with your 10-minute question? Um, okay.
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I totally disagree with the premise of that.
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>> I've only been there eight months.
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I was on the board for a year and I can tell you cuz I work with these people every day.
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They are really, really focused on ensuring that parents are empowered, teens are supported.
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And I couldn't be actually more proud of the agreement that we just uh we just made.
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We made it with 52 bipartisan attorneys general across the United States and the territories.
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We are now setting industry standards.
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Uh we agreed that if uh your state signed on with us that uh children under 18, not 16, can only be on our platform for 2 hours a day.
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The app shuts off after that and it completely shops shuts off at night.
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Uh there are no notifications during the school day at all of any kind.
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And frankly, parents have way more supervision now.
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Uh many, many ways that they can decide what their kids are on, how long they're on, and what they're seeing.
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And I think that we're proud of that because if others in our peer group joined, this could be pretty historic and gamechanging.
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And Jason, I'm a mom of six daughters, so this is really personal to me.
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I watched them grow up in this in this generation, and I feel that, you know, we really can actually find a way to come together.
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Um, the reason your numbers were wrong on the settlement is because we actually agreed to give an additional $5 billion and to go down to only one hour of use on our platform if YouTube, Tik Tok, and Snap join us because, as we know, as we know, people leave one set of apps and go to another.
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But wouldn't it be pretty amazing in America if children under 18 could only be on apps for an hour a day, shut off at night?
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And I don't I just think that's >> 100% yes. >> Thank you.
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>> Do you think do you think it should be universal chimoth or do you think it should be controlled by the parent like give the parent basic controls? What's your view?
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>> Well, it is meaning obviously a parent can override it but our app actually just does turn off. >> Obviously a parent. It's funny.
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I was in Texas this weekend at the Texas uh Ohio State game. you my alma mater.
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And um and it was really funny.
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I had so many uh people come up to me and say, you know, you know this turning off because it it's literally happening.
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Turning off Instagram is hurting college uh college recruiting, football recruiting. I'm like, what?
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What are you talking about?
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In Texas, we put all of our kids videos on Instagram and they get recruited. So, it is interesting.
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I said, well, we live in America. That's up to you.
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You can decide as a parent if you want to do more.
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that it does actually shut off and a parent has to override that.
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>> I think I think it's incredible.
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I remember just being with my kids at the dinner table and my son was trying to show me something and he had hit the limit just turned off and there's nothing and I was like this is fantastic.
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You're like leave it off. Like >> what's that?
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>> You're like just leave it off. You don't care.
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>> The reason is as a parent it's whack-a-ole. >> Yeah.
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>> Because the content is syndicated across all these platforms.
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And that's why what you're saying is so right.
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When my son when my kids, my five kids go to school, they interact with YouTube as their primary outside of school mechanism because so much of the school content and educational content is there.
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So even if you shut off shorts and Instagram, they pop up over here.
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>> So it is this whack-a-ole problem for parents and you you it's a full-time job to manage it.
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And so if there is effectively like a labeling and like you know a decision on governance by these companies, it's deeply helpful for all of us that have jobs are trying to live a life and raise kids normally so they don't become zombies.
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>> Zach, you're very active managing your kids mobile phone usage. >> Yeah. How many do you have?
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>> Look, I um I I think the new defaults probably are better.
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I mean, just thinking about my kids usage, yeah, it'd be nice if it turned off after, you know, an hour or two.
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Um, so yeah, look, I think that's that's an improvement.
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I I do have to sort of def defend Meta because I do think that there was a little bit of a ridiculous pylon um where, you know, the company's getting sued by adults who are blaming the use of this completely voluntary product.
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No one's forcing you to use any of these social network products and then something goes wrong in their life that has many causes and then they're suing Meta and winning big judgments and then the state ags get in on the act and all the trial lawyers >> and the trial lawyers the trial lawyers money I thought. >> Yeah.
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So, so let's just acknowledge that there is a little bit of a shakeddown going on here as well.
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I mean let's face it that that is kind of how the American uh court system works.
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But look, I think that they have reached a resolution that I think is net beneficial and I like the new defaults and ultimately this is about parental control.
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You know, parents should choose what you know and how what apps their kids use and for how long.
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It should not be the government doing that.
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It should be the parents.
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>> Dina, can you >> and we should just make it as easy as possible for the parents to do it.
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And in my view, the only reason to do these new defaults is because of the whack-a-mole problem.
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It is sometimes difficult for the to like >> I mean that is I'm glad we're having this discussion.
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Um I I think the issue for me has been the industry got very addicted to gamification and designing products to be addicting and increasing time spent on app was in fact internally what Facebook was focused on.
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The challenge is, you know, you can be too good at something and I think Facebook along with YouTube and their algorithm were just too good at addicting people to it, whether they're adults or kids.
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And I will commend you even if it was late as an organization in doing the right thing now and then leading the other organizations to do the right thing.
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>> Let me build on what you were saying with the statement.
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Um, and we Satia talked about this.
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I think Jensen will talk about it. Elon will talk about it.
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But we are you're going to hear this word RSI over and over over the next 18 months.
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recursive self-improvement, which is this idea that if you define a function, a reward function for an AI and let it go, it's going to self-improve.
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So, to your point, Jason, anything, whether it's, you know, World of Warcraft or Angry Birds or whatever app, you put it into an RSI loop and you add the reward function being time, they all these apps will proliferate.
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Microsoft Word will keep you there for 9 hours if it can.
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So if unless companies make a decision like you guys to say here's a threshold and beyond this threshold we're just going to turn it off.
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It's going to be kind of turtles all >> which was my point is how does it inform product decisions going forward?
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You got this incredible new product muse.
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You're you're you're in the mix on the bots.
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Um but again I think the leadership and challenging the other organizations is what I will give you kudos for.
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>> You know I don't want to speculate.
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I I want to talk about this this this this addiction thing as it relates to the product that we all tried on backstage.
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We all put on a meta glass and I'd never um I've never had the product before.
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What is the the repeated use case of that product you think?
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Like what is it that gets people cuz you know Yeah. The glasses. Sorry. Yeah.
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So like I remember when Google had the goggles and then Apple had VR and everyone's had an effort at putting something on your face and none of them have stickiness.
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They're all like really interesting novelty experiences and then your usage tapers off and you kind of put it in the drawer and it's like a cool tech relic.
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>> Well, they're very stylish.
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>> Yeah, >> these are the Kylie Jenners.
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Um, no, actually we are so excited about this as a product.
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Um, the the engineers have been working on this for 10 years.
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Um, you make a good point that if people don't look good in them and they're not stylish, they're not going to put them on.
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But, you know, billions of people wear glasses, whether they're to see uh or obviously sunglasses.
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And we're really excited about the features.
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You can obviously listen to music.
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Uh the only way I listen to Allin every week is wearing my meta glasses as I'm walking or working out.
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Uh they actually have the incredible speaker and so your your phone calls are perfect.
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Uh and now we have a couple of features we're really excited about. Conversation focus.
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So when Chamath is uh you know at dinner with his beautiful wife and he actually wants to hear her if he looks at her all the noise uh it goes away except her voice which is pretty cool. Um and then translation.
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>> That's great translation as well.
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>> Can I do the opposite when I'm >> Shimath? It's interesting Dina.
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It's interesting you bring this up Dina.
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>> Great people I talk to. I'd like more of that.
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>> Shimath is just telling me he got the new Apple AirPods 5 specifically because of wife cancelling. >> The opposite.
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want the opposite feature.
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>> You can actually tune in.
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But let me tell you why you're wrong and I'm right. Okay, thanks.
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>> By the way, with with these products, you're, you know, you're you're damned if you do and damned if you don't in the sense that if you design it poorly, no one's going to want to use it.
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If you design it really well and it's a big success, a bunch of trial lawyers are going to say it was addictive and then you get sued for that. >> So true.
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>> Dina, can you Sorry, I just wanted to move to AI for a second before >> No, I want to finish on this.
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So like so but but but it has this kind of recurrent use case built into it at this point.
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Is that cuz I really want to understand if >> the reason so many people are are working I mean all of our peers are working on wearables because I do think people want to be part of the world.
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They actually don't want to be holding boxes walking around.
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They actually really want to be able to talk to their family, take a picture, take a video, um listen to music and it be hands-free.
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We have Oakleys uh that are really really cool for um extreme sports.
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So, the use cases are just everyday life.
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And I think you're going to show a video.
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The thing that surprised us was one use case that we hadn't anticipated, and that uh blind veterans.
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Um, actually, somebody uh was joking with me.
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They said, um, how are you getting blind people to wear glasses?
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That doesn't make sense to me.
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But can we show this video?
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It is such an honor to be here.
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We're in Austin, Texas at a BFW hall where metamates are sitting down with amazing men and women who've served our country and who lost their eyesight.
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They have just been telling us they feel like they're getting their independence back and we're so proud to be giving them meta glasses.
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>> I took them to church.
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They have the scriptures on the screen in front.
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I've never been able to read that, but I asked Meta and it read it word for word for me.
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>> Seeing these extraordinary servicemen and women, all we've been saying is thank you. Thank you.
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We don't have America without all of them.
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And as a big surprise, uh we are about to introduce them to Chris Stapleton.
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just want to come by and say thank you for all your service.
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We're so grateful for you.
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>> Chris Stapleton's the best.
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>> He he came and joined us.
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It was actually on 911 and uh just a couple days ago.
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And what we learned is that um a group of uh blind veterans from uh the organization that that supports them came and actually worked with the meta engineers and designed specific features.
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And it just turns out obviously the glasses can see for you and read read to you.
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One of the gentlemen I was sitting next to put the glasses on and he said, "Hey Meta, call John."
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And I was sitting there, I couldn't hear obviously what he was hearing and he just started sobbing.
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And I said, "Is everything okay, sir?"
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He said, "That's the first time I've ever called my son on my own independently." >> Wow.
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>> So, we're seeing these kinds of use cases, of course, that we're incredibly proud of.
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>> I guess AI AI creates the unlock for the glass form factor.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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I because >> is that the form factor that you think kind of gets AI in a prevalent way for most people in the world is the glasses form factor or is there something else you think >> I'm I'm sure there will be many products.
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I mean I I think what I have learned from our team um is that you know glasses are a thing people wear glasses and it's something that you know many many people they're affordable and people obviously we really worked hard.
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Mark was very focused not just on the design but the weight of it.
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So takes a lot to put the technology in here and to still keep it stylish.
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And >> I think you're a minority owner of Rayban. No.
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Or of looks like the broad partner. Yeah.
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We have an exclusive with >> I think that's why people should reconsider these, you know, as a product category cuz I've had them since Google Glass.
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And the battery never worked. They were too bulky.
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You look like a dork in them.
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And now the battery works and because you can control them, you know, not with Siri, which is still kind of broken, but this actually works.
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And when you're with your kids and you want to take videos when you're skiing or you want to take pictures, it actually, you know, putting a phone between you is is much more intrusive.
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So, I think this actually brings you into the real world.
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And the translation feature is also very slick.
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So, when you go to Japan or you go somewhere and they're talking to you in another language, it can actually translate.
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or if you see a sign, boom, just instant translation without taking your phone out.
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It's time for people to reconsider these um specifically for those reasons. >> Yeah.
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>> You've used them a long time though, so you really know. >> Yeah.
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The batteries, the battery problem, the fidelity just they didn't work and now it does. Yeah.
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So, >> Dina, just talking about the Dario's essay this weekend, there was a report, but it was unverified that Zach said something to the effect of we need to go as fast as we can.
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Um, I don't know if that was kind of misinformation.
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No, no, it was like a report that just hit Twitter at the same time that Daario's or X when Daario hang out, but just taking a step back broadly, how did you process that essay and the call for regulation or how are you guys thinking about this? >> Sure.
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Well, first I I really agree with a lot of what Satcha said.
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I mean, the the the premise, the starting point is that safety is paramount and that is something that Mark talks about all the time.
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I watch um daily how he and Alex Wang and Natt Friedman who run our lab think about it and they're and a whole team of people exist to think about the safety of the models.
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Um and I and I think that you know there are very legitimate questions around that.
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I think the difference is that Mark just has a very different view and I think that view is based on 20 years of a business model of empowering and connecting people and that 3.
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6 6 billion people are on our platform every single day.
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200 million small business owners operate their business every single day.
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And so his belief is that the more you distribute this technology, the more people that have super intelligence and are able to reach their potential are able to have access to education and health care that they could have never imagined before, learning that they could have never achieved before is not only better for each of those individuals, but it's better for society as a whole.
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So he fundamentally just believes when he wrote in his piece the future is for everyone that the democratization of artificial intelligence will actually lead to a more stable society.
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That is just a fundamental belief that he has and I think that um the thing that he thinks about is so then what is his role? What is our role?
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And I think we were extremely proud to have the very first American open-source model >> just a few weeks ago.
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Well, Dina, you've uh got a lot on your plate.
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We really appreciate you taking the time to come and join us today. We covered a lot. It was awesome.
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Thank you for being here.
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>> Thank you guys so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. You're welcome. That was great.