i'm so so happy that this is my life but these are the things i get to think about and talk about does it feel different to you yet listening to it in a different room where it wasn't recorded or a different car where you can't road test it does it feel like you're still does it feel like
somebody else's once it's out it's not mine anymore right it's gone can you listen to it i asked that's probably the most asked question i've ever asked any artist throughout my entire life because i'm fascinated every answer is different can you listen to your music i generally
never do just because well i think before i never did because i was always worried i never had a good experience mixing and i was always terrified that i would hear something and it was just emotional but i got to spend enough time with this record that i'm just like really proud of it and i love every
second of it yeah me too thank you i mean love every second of it i guess i'm really proud for you i got to spend the time i needed to really like know and love it inside out and so i don't it's not stressful for me when i hear it i feel like that's a constant in your life as long as i've
known you you've been unafraid to take the time you need much to some people's chagrin but yeah who cares it's your time totally i mean thanks for saying that yeah i feel uh stubborn about it yeah yeah but you should i think there's too much push and pull when um even with the best of intentions
it becomes a system and just pushes and pulls for different reasons totally and really what was the what was the reason in the first place hasn't changed and i think that's kind of what i always got from you whenever we would talk or whenever i would say where's maggie and
they're like well she's just being mad yeah she's being meg she'll be back when she's back oh man i respect that thank you i appreciate that as a fan i respect that regardless of being here in this chair with you in that chair and i think as fans we should respect artists for taking their time yeah i
mean i think that there's really nothing more important than intention like i i want to hear art that like feels like somebody cared and um and that's what i would like to do i'm sorry i'm so sorry i had this crazy therapy session yesterday oh no did i just say the buzzword the buzzword intention wow
no i i love that word i love that word intention is so important like almost every day like what is my intention before i actually because it preserves it preserves your own integrity and what it is that you're trying to achieve totally and it preserves your energy and it allows you
to move with with by design yeah and it's um interacting with the world in a way that is careful as in with care and i think that there's nothing more that you can do in your art too of just like making choices actively and and thinking about them isn't it funny that we laugh when we say
that because it seems so obvious but it just doesn't seem so like such like a crazy idea i think to me i can't imagine doing it any other way but we're a mess as a species we are distracted and obsessive and odd and strange and get you know and impulsive and move in a thousand different
directions in in one second it's true but i don't know i i have to have hope that there's another option and i think a lot of that comes from having a sense of connection whether it's with like the intention with which you move around a room or the way you create or the way you perform or connect just connect to
people you love like i don't know i i we are a mess but i have to believe that there is um something nicer to being a mess together and it's a beautiful mess otherwise we wouldn't be sitting here listening to great music having an already awesome conversation i mean generally having a
very messy couple years it leads to a great record it's led to an incredible record and you know what i immediately grab me because obviously i'm absorbing the music and then i need to find a way into what you're saying and start to absorb the deeper thoughts yeah um but what you've created with
tom kit harpoon is um and as a collab as collaborators is powerful thank you like the drums on this record don't play yeah i mean i i was living alone in maine for a long time and really thinking about what i wanted and just in the pandemic what i wanted from music and what i wanted to create
and i i started this record there and was really drawn to big drums and distorted guitar because i missed music that made me feel something physically i missed the physicality of being at a festival specifically like british and european festivals there's something about it's some of the best experiences i've
had as a fan something about like it being cold and like beer drunk yeah it's body warmth it's alcohol it's it's like it's kind of the overcast day it's not quite being sure what time it is because it's the same color all day and it's the base there's something about that like base in your collarbones
feeling and and so i when i started making music um it was the first time i had come it's the first time i like had a studio of my own basically since high school because in college i used the school studios and then i was on tour so i got to have a real like creative
practice again and i'd come to the studio and i've said it sort of a couple times in the in like my writings around this record that distortion became a chaos i could control but i mean it like in all the craziness of the world being able to really like play with something that that it also
felt so like physical and somatic it was as if it like could like make my body let go of tension i was feeling um and then i brought you know that nucleus to to tom to real world in the uk and he heard it and sort of like exactly knew what to do and the first day i sat down a piano he got on drums and like within
two hours overdrive was finished it was like okay sick we're off like that's the opening track let's go you know it's not lost on me that you were able to go back to that place where you probably felt safest and most yeah understood which was on your own in a room surrounded by tools to allow you to
express yourself yeah and i think that people forgot that that's an important part of your story because everyone and we we should we should we were drawn to your songs and everyone was like oh my god the performer the songwriter songs i think it's important now to remember
based on the quality of this record that you are a architect and a designer and a producer and you love that process oh my god i love it so much it's like it's where i feel the most like me it's the it's where i feel the most in touch with what it means to be alive um it's where i feel the most powerful and
the most relaxed simultaneously it's where i feel a sense of like deep purpose like i'm gonna cry talking about it like and i think there are so many sacrifices that artists make in the first years of their career in order to sort of like get the ship off the boat and to see and
i think a big one of that for me was just like just so deeply missing alone time to make music i mean i think music is this crazy art form because it takes this like deeply vulnerable feeling because our jobs as artists are defeated feelings feel and translate yeah and like in every other art form
that there is a boundary between that center creator and the public life like uh screenwriters have actors and uh writers have books but it it music takes all these like super vulnerable people and puts them in crazy situations it does we're not we don't protect you enough it's the truth and
and i mean that is all of us on the planet i mean as fans too we have to take responsibility for that and i've been banging on about this for a long time no you i mean have been like such a champion of this i've been trying to find a way into this conversation without offending myself as a fan you
know and alienating myself as a fan i don't want to feel bad as a fan but there has to be we have to grow in understanding what it is to create this art and we have to allow ourselves the opportunity to move on so that an artist can catch up and remind us where they are in their life
and not expect them to constantly lead the way and and draw the line for me that's how i feel yeah i mean that i i that resonates so much with me i mean i think i it's been interesting this sort of album cycle i'm early in it you know because as we're speaking the record's not out yet
i've been doing a bunch of press and all that stuff and this record specifically if i feel like i got to go back to writing songs like i did in high school like unguarded no one was looking i wasn't making songs thinking about making them a record like i didn't make music the first like four or five months
of the pandemic and when i came back to it it was like oh like when i'm bored i love making beats like sick and that's it's as simple as like really playful like this is my favorite way to pass the time seriously put me on a couch with a glass of wine or two and a laptop on my on my knees
and i'm like and i'm the happiest person ever that's it i mean i've even got to the point now where i want to just my wife's watching tv and i can keep it at a volume that's not offensive to her and i can still work and that is just my sw that's the sweet place it's not even work it's it's about playing i'm like a
kid again and like so much of this record too like there's i have three collaborators right it's like tom is the main one and like we like really created a band together and like touched ev every song but um the other there's a couple songs written with del watergap who was like my band mate from when we
were 18 and a song i wrote with my friend gabe goodman and those songs were written in maine like i had friends come in the summer and after dinner we'd like have a glass of wine and make music and like in that time i basically made an entire second record that will never come out
like i wrote through all the stuff i needed to get out yeah and then was like okay then what and like and then i made some music with my friends like it it was just so nice like and then i missed my friend tom who was like also one of my oldest collaborators and was like i wonder what he would think of this and i
wonder what questions he would ask to push my thinking and work you got to reset you got to reset you got to go back almost and live that moment in your life oh my god it went crazy but you got to live it again and and just kind of do it the way you would have done it now so much and
like what i was saying about um coming back to press is it's funny because this record is so vulnerable because it's so deeply about it's not about my career there was no public life to write about it's about like me and my fears and my my love life and my friends and
my anger and my joy and in that it's it's sort of funnier to talk about because i feel like i shared so much on the record and then we come dancing about architecture like let's talk about anywhere with you so i mean let's talk about anywhere with you i mean it that was the first song i wrote
um in this you know i wrote probably a hundred songs um i was in this like songwriting group over the pandemic with a bunch of artists cool and um anyone would know feist damien rice beck adam cohen mitchell mac demarco like we would write songs for like a week um at a time this is mind-blowing i have
to just i i don't want to ruin the magic of it but equally just to get some context because this is a first for me you're in the pandemic a lot of people gathered in the pandemic probably to do things i had every week i would go to a record listening dinner thing was really fun yeah um
this was something that came out of there and whose idea was it and and how easy was it for to just come together i don't know adam cohen invited me and i think i mean there's this amazing engineer named phil weinrob who ran it um i spoke to all these people before doing the album cycle to be like do
what's the what's the public vibe on this yeah yeah yeah yeah i was invited to join this group and we wrote every five or six weeks we'd write a song a day and you'd get a i mean these are also like my heroes and like i was the youngest in the group yeah and every morning you'd get a soundcloud link of
everyone's songs and these are like hearing unreal songs from all my favorite artists and i'd go for a big walk and then i'd be like okay time to like show up like what am i going to turn in today i am just i'm sort of like it was like and if you missed a day you'd get kicked out
and some days some days you'd it would just be like y'all i love you i can't do it this week i'm i i can't touch it and everyone would be like cool love you see you next time that's so amazing it's a different kind of world and begging for rain and a lot of those like second record songs that i like
um those the ones that are not gonna it would be heard yeah those songs were all i mean they could be heard eventually so who are the co-writers from there on this record no there's no co-writers okay good good good good it's everyone's writing alone oh wow so no one's rhymed
together you just come in and you play your songs or you send the sound send it in at the end of the night and you'd get a sound called length of the morning so obviously and we're not ever going to be allowed to hear these things as a private this but absolutely not yeah but you get and you're like your partner
couldn't hear it like it was like a secret and by the way i've already moved on i don't ever want to be a part of it because it's better that i don't yeah but because it's more special but i am interested in the fact that you do you have how many songs i wrote probably
like 100 songs so like what 12 of us 15 of us wrote like and it's like a thousand songs written by beck mcdemarco feist maggie rogers that are never gonna be heard by anyone but this group this might be the best story of 2022 i'm glad have you told anyone else this story yeah i mean i well i've i've mentioned
well i don't know i don't know in this no one's reacted like this yeah because no one gives a like i do that's crazy yeah i mean that is so i can not get my head around this yeah and and also it's crazy i'll tell you one more thing the weeks we chose inadvertently became some of the the biggest weeks
like we would pick like you know someone would be like pick a week on the calendar who wants to sign up for this like are you available like all right cool this week works like let's just do it um everyone's in the right headspace the weeks we wrote through were like
the first week of the pandemic the first week of black lives matter the first week of like the election like it was um january fifth sixth whatever how can you not believe in synergy how can you not believe in energy oh this my record's called surrender like give me a break i know you can i'm talking about
everybody else i'm looking right through you with the at the peanut gallery behind you dude come on i know i know yeah so different kind of world and begging for rain were written in that like me those were submissions for the songwriting group um and then i was just in really good writing shape and
anywhere with you which is how this conversation started was the first song i wrote in maine where i was like oh this feels like the beginning of something and it was the first song where i sort of started to see what what it could be what the record could be it was the first song i like sent a
snippet of to like my managers and was like i've got something yeah that's such a cool moment we don't spend enough time really i think celebrating those moments because we yeah you know as human beings we're always searching for the next destination right when you have a seed
and you finally are like oh okay i i understand like it's coming together and i wear want want that week too wow so you really were on a tear something you'd collect right i mean there were these moments in this record like this record had such push and pull like i wouldn't work on it or touch it
for three or four months and then i mean i was saying the first day tom and i got together we wrote overdrive the second day i've never had a day in my life where i have written two songs at once and i certainly have never had a day where i've written three started out the day with that's where i
am came back after lunch and wrote i've got a friend came back after dinner rode horses and horses is a one-take vocal because and so is so is i've got a friend but horses specifically i was so like i was was i started writing this song and i was like ugh i don't want to do it and tom was like
finish it and i was like no i just like i want to go to bed he was like finish it and i finished it and he was like okay one vocal and i was like could you just do it in the morning it's just like no like do it and then that's it it's amazing how people tom being one of them
who are deeply connected to oh my god that language oh yeah they see around you the way things are forming that you can't see that is so spot on and he also like when i play this this record to my parents or my old friends the thing that everybody says which i also deeply feel is how much this record
just feels and sounds like me and that is the greatest gift of a collaborator he made me feel like the biggest greatest version of myself so good to hear that because there definitely were times when we would speak on the recorder i'd see you out where i felt like you were yeah
pushing back a bit and trying to find yourself again you know and like i don't know if this version that you all think i am this identity really fits and i've had this i have this conversation increasingly you know with increasing regularity with artists i just think i think there's something within the
artistic community now that has the confidence and courage to turn around and say after a bit of success i don't know if i like the way you look at that you're seeing me yeah i mean it uh i think this is a this is a general thing i've been thinking about a lot but we really like to believe that things
are one thing because it makes things really simple yeah we got room for other things yeah and i think people are have many sides and are and are fluid and things are nuanced and complicated and of course it makes anyone feel dehumanized when someone's like oh that's what she is it's like
yes but like i mean this is part of why i went to grad school because i was just like you know we're talking about being in maine and you're like you got that version of yourself back but like i also got it i got it back alone and then i also really got it back by being in community where
my public life didn't exist and where i like was new at something and i really had this moment where i was like well what do i what does it mean to live a beautiful life like what do i want what do i want outside of music what i want to do in my lifetime i was like be really nice to go to grad school and
it'd be really nice to think about like as the world is changing wha what do i believe it what does it mean to be an artist what is that responsibility to an audience what are the ethics of power to hold that space how do you how can you use music as a tool for peace
and what part of it do i believe is my job and what just isn't like i feel like i signed up to be a musician like that that's just that's just who i am like and then there's all these things that come with it and and there's a real difference between vocation and profession and my professional life asks things for me
that that everyone's does you know like no one's job is perfect true and um i think if you can make your vocation your profession you're in like a really good space but uh how do i protect the vocation within it and that is like largely what i thought about there maggie rogers i it's
so great hearing you put that into such perfect form because it more than and it's important for people to hear that more than that i feel so comfortable and happy now that no one's ever going to be able to take this away from you and you're just going to give us so much music
because that's what you realize right is that when you're able to take a look at all of these things that are flying around trying to distract you and some of them are positive and exciting and short-lived and other ones are just annoying but you've got to do them and and then all of a sudden you see it with clarity
yeah then i feel like when you show back up you do so so much more willing and like yeah oh man i'd love to do that and absolutely i'll go do that because it's less it's out of control it's like i get it it doesn't fit into my vocation but it's my profession and i can box it i get i understand it oh my god and
there's just like does that make sense so much it's like it's gratitude practice it's all those things but it's also just like it's allowed to be like kind of silly it's allowed to be silly and it can only be that when you can only find that joy when it doesn't isn't being asked to be
everything like i can like yeah yeah yeah yeah this album is so good um i kinda wanna yeah i wanna talk about the record i wanna talk about symphony oh okay i love that song thank you i love that song it's the title is appropriate not because it's symphonic but because
it's a symphony of an experience like by the end of it it's like wow i don't know enough yet to know who you're duetting with or whether it's you but what's going on two-thirds of the way through the song when the emotion is let loose and you anchor it down and someone's up here and you're here what's going on
there yeah it's me what um i i've never heard you sound like that am i crazy so that that was one of the songs i wrote in maine with my friend gabe that was like an after dinner song and it i i it almost didn't make the record because it was sort of in that batch that i like
of the like middle ground thinking through some things and i kept being like there's something in this song and then i brought it to tom and like it became this like whole other thing and it was like really our final day working on the record that tom added a couple guitar parts and i was like it now sits
like now it holds hands thank you i wanted to write a song that um as soon as i made it i knew it was track 11. like i was actively sequencing this record the whole time um it i wanted to write a song where like so much of what i was playing in this with in this record is vocal delivery and
like my voice is really big in parts but also i think in order to do that with intention um i needed to have it also be quiet almost like i was just speaking in other times and the vocal like doesn't move very much but the but the music is everywhere on purpose because like that was very much
like the experience i was talking about trying to reach someone who has like a deep internal world but you sort of like can't can't reach it um and i was thinking a lot about like the the delivery like that the national uses that like matt barringer and then like and the way that he he's very
conversational with himself i think i feel yeah and and the melodies are super simple and i want to think about like what what that could look like to just hold that center and let the music and and all of my sort of like dance influences like swirl around it yeah it's so effective and but there was
a moment in that song where you reach for something it's out of reach yeah and then you come in underneath and you prop yourself up to try to get closer to it that's what i get from it it's like i'm going somewhere here and i got to get there and you're like i got you don't worry about it i'm right here it's
okay like so this is an incredible dynamic between yourself going on in that song which quite frankly got me pretty emotional driving down jefferson today wow um yeah i love that the the tempo slow down at the end too awesome like it's probably one of the songs i'm the most
excited to play live because there's so much space to play like it could go a million different directions spiral off like it's six minutes on the record like it could be 10 live yeah like if that's track 11 on the album it's almost last on the first set it feels like yeah a
hundred percent like you know i know it's not a hit i know it's not an end to hit on i hit to end on just yet but i'm gonna end on it and i'll be back in five minutes i love that you wanted to talk about symphony that's awesome yeah because to me it's yeah for all the reasons i've said it it
drew me in told me a story and then at the end it just tried to break away and run away yeah you know yeah he tries to run away it's like i'm i'm out of here i'm gone there's a song it's like i'm gone well that's what i also love i'm such a nerd for this album thank you um i i love
when music does that thing you're mentioning where it's like just just i've got you i'm in charge just like you're safe like we're going to go this way but like don't worry like that's i find that in dance music so much me too i find that in afghan wigs but i don't always feel safe i always feel like maybe uh
i wasn't intending on drinking but now i'm drinking how did that happen now i'm half a bottle of whiskey down did that happen you greg dooley you make it okay um oh man so what was the hardest song for you looking back on it now that we can god um what was the one you wrestled with
the most and no i don't mean to finish i mean to to express yourself in what's coming to mind immediately is be cool which is weird because it it's a love song for my friends who took care of me during the pandemic and we're just every time i was freaking out they were like chill but i think
trying to express something with simplicity and not have it be corny like i just like actually beat my head against the wall trying to figure out what that chorus was gonna be yeah i kept picturing playing glastonbury and a fan like almost towards the back like pretty drunk they're with his friends not necessarily
a fan of mine but like the friends are all there and they're hanging and this song comes on and they're like like that i wanted to write a song for that person and and i i i kept yeah i just had a really hard time with it because i was trying to force it rather than just let it come it
was the one where i was suddenly like starting to grip my teeth and tom just kept being like dude you're gonna figure it out like we'd we'd be eating lunch and i'd be like really quiet and i'd be like this thing be like maybe like like i just i wanted it so badly yeah i think so much with music you have
to want it but not need it oh man there's this great quote which i put up on my tick tock from justin vernon which was just that it's like i wanted music to be my job so badly it just wasn't there for me as soon as i accepted my nature that maybe i should just go and
teach music and be in education it happened yeah and i think what's watching reading the comments because i'm into it because i love the community on there people a lot of people god a lot of people struggle with it they're like but if i want it why would i let go and surely that takes away from the idea of
work and i think surrender surrender exactly put the intention out do the work by all means put the intention now trust it but trust the process right yeah yeah you have to trust it and eventually it you know that song inevitably is now one of my favorites it was i yeah tom and i started it in
real world and then hung on to it for like six months and we were at electric lady and it was really like john batiste was the studio like down down the hall um and he came in and added all this like beautiful synth work to it and that's when it really started to be like okay now i
understand where this is going and where this sits and and now i understand that this couldn't sound like bath it had to sound like a sunny day in new york yeah and it needed john and it needed chocolate he's the greatest yeah a couple of these songs needed john he's also added some incredible
piano to i've got a friend and he also just brought incredible energy into the room i mean he's he's we've been collaborators for five or six years now and he's he's one of my deeply favorite people to be around it's one of my favorite things on the planet when i call him every now
and then and i say something that means something to him and he goes yes yes and i'm like i got it yeah he's he's the best yeah he's incredible who else if anyone else joined you on a musical level or artistic level on this record you know so maine was super solo with a couple very old friends um
bath was really me and tom and then when we got to new york city it was really like community like let's invite the power of community in and it really was sort of happenstance it was like people that were hanging around yeah claro and claude are the speaking voices and i've got a friend
florence was in the studio above me working with jack and like we've been friends for a while hurt tom our old friends and collaborators so we were just hanging out a lot and i played her shatter i have this great screenshot of a text message from her where she like went up i was like yeah
like come be a part of it and she went upstairs and then texted me and was like okay but it's in my head now and it needs to come out okay like come back isn't she she's the most brilliant brain of anyone i know so she plays tambourine she's the dirtiest percussion player you have ever met and
she sings back up on the shatter yeah she's all physical man when you see it perform live it's like it won't talk levitating and the thing is it's like i've watched her headline glastonbury with her eyes closed uh-huh and thought everyone could have packed up tents and
gone home and she'd still be on sounds about right yeah and then um pinot paladino's on this record oh that's a flex i i mean did you just watch yeah just watch i mean part of this record was like learning the power that i had after putting in all the work on the first record being like i could just call him
and ask him if he wanted to play on my record it's almost like yeah that's how that works okay confidence is such a funny thing though isn't it because we assume when we see you put a piece of music out with your face on it or a video where you dance in it or a stage where you perform on it
their confidence is just this kind of never-ending um available energy source that you just kind of like top up and use and it's not at all in fact in many respects it's the opposite even when you have quote-unquote perceived success the idea of calling up someone you admire and
asking them to do something as simple and pure and beautiful as collaborate musically and artistically which is why you do it in the first place seems so foreign to you yeah well i just didn't know that was possible or like um when i was making this record i loved that song uh the rat by the walkman
especially how how like off the rails the drums are well not just the drums i mean all of it hamilton's also like a monster from the first word suddenly you know tom and i were talking and it was like oh we could just get matt barrack to play drums amazing so he's up he came in through like playing
and it was that kind of thing of like who are all the people i love that like could be woven into this tapestry and lend their energy and voices to it that's so cool why would you ever stop i mean i feel that way why would you ever stop i mean that's the great thing about making music now maggie and the
reason that you take long walks in the park metaphorically speaking i know that you tend to walk on far more vicious and exploratory terrain than just a park i love a park the way she said i love a park is so dismissive of parks um i mean if i if i'm getting some milk i'll walk in the park you know
okay but we also know that you know you walk you traverse cliffs and mountain ranges and everything i'm sorry it's in my head now and i need to get it out [Music] [Applause] it's alive wait i want ham's voice like i want to be at this show [Music] i saw them in a small club
he's just stalking it just like he's so tall and handsome he's so charismatic and it's just the whole band's all over the place and he stands stuck still so the chaos around him is just going oh i feel it in my teeth like that's the thing it makes more bite someone [Music] you've got a nerd
can't you hear me because i know that if i um like if i go there and like take my lid off and actually touch that thing i can't come back and like i go there all the time i i i support you i just went there i know and i'm i'm saying i couldn't meet you because if i did it like there's two i'm i'm gonna start
sobbing like there's too much there like i can't touch it it makes me emotional i'm emotional it makes me emotional like i can't like song is just like it came from somewhere that needed to like it needed to exist and then when i saw that band play it live it was like their lives depended on it
it wasn't a song and another gig in front of another crowd yeah it was like this is everything right now i mean it is though and i think i feel that way so much now that i'm like if i take if i like i can feel it in my hands and my teeth and like if i like touch it i won't be able to
can't you hear me i'm bleeding on the wall i mean it's just yeah it's one of the most brilliant modern examples of that wrestle with yourself and the cry for help and when it doesn't come you write the song that's the thing when it doesn't if it came you probably would be like i'm fixed
for now yeah but the song gets written i mean yeah i apologize to tom the other day not like i just and i said thank you i didn't i don't know that i had anything to apologize for but i was just like man i was in it and i'm such a different person now this record is outside of my body but it like
but maggie if you love music and you love art and you love being in the room and i'm not speaking for time here but that's the point no it is but i think uh it's totally the point but i was pretty like i didn't get to make music for a long time i i did and like i was doing other things that i chose
and loved but like i i was like pretty tangled up by the time i've been on tour for five years straight yeah like by the time the pandemic happened i was like i had chronic fatigue like i i couldn't talk i hadn't been to a grocery store in four years like total burnout yeah i just like i was i was
ready to bite and this record is it is the bite but then when i like listen back there's so much joy and i think that's the thing that surprised me more than anything was that like that that was the place that i escaped to and it was the thing that became the way that i survived it or the way
that i worked through it this idea of joy is a form of like rebellion or as something that can be radical and contagious and connective and and angry like i i think joy and anger are two sides of the same coin and and the reason i believe the joy in this record when i hear it is
because i i hear the grit too and it feels hard one yeah yeah and you can hear it as a fan but man is it a relief when you get to get through it and you start it and you realize it's go time and you know why you know why because it was waiting for you the music was waiting for you
it was always there it's just waiting for you you're gonna make me cry that's the crazy thing about art it doesn't when you've got it in you it's there for you it wants you it wants you to come back but yeah only you can do that no one can push you into a studio no one can tell you it's time to go back to
work especially you yeah it comes from a very very real place yeah it does yeah i mean it it like it really does and it's um man it's personal too yeah but that's why we're grateful because you had the courage to release it it's awesome by the way [Music] maggie you're the best and um
this album is such a triumph i hope you well i know you do because we just talked about it i know how proud you are of yourself and what you've created and i cannot wait to see you bring this to life in earnest when it's out because i think it's going to transform the way that we see you on a stage and
experience you as a as an artist as well right it's got to there's no going back after this no there really isn't and i feel like i i don't even know what i made until i go and play it and experience it with people but also experience it in repetition there's songs that there's things that bleed out of the songs once
you live inside of them and um yeah i don't know what is in store for me living inside of this record but um i'm so i'm so so happy that this is my life like that this is the things i get to but these are the things i get to think about and talk about because it was waiting for you so you
know it's there and it's always going to be there for you that's the thing it's never going to abandon you the music's never going to leave you no it is not and i think i i'm i'm so deeply clear on that now that and i never thought that music was gonna leave me i think it was more just about
finding a way to protect the music i mean that's so much that's so much what i wrote and studied about in school how do i keep the things sacred in my life really safe and how do i reconstruct every aspect of my life and my career to keep those things at the center magic it's magic you