[Music] my family's like super like hippy dippy and into like i grew up knowing about astrological signs like i feel like people started discovering that recently in a mainstream way but like i grew up being like my mom's a very good my dad's a libra like you know what i mean like these were just things that we knew wait
hang on your mum's a virgo your dad's a libra yeah see no that's what i'm saying for me to say it's not for me to say anything you know it can work for lizzo's parents who are watching this right now i have no opinion because i know nothing about astrological signs but but lizzo was definitely putting my
life on blast before because of my astrological situation it was just shocking to me but you it's been way too soft on the blow i did let me make it easy for you it was shocking mind you when you said lee or leo i was like oh lord whatever sign comes next is trouble yeah they're in trouble they gotta deal
with a leo what are you i'm a tourist but i'm a leo rising right right right so i'm like superstar you know right so you uh you described it beautifully in vogue recently you said that you're an anti-social extrovert that's awesome because i can i am a connector i can connect with people yeah and i'm like yeah and people energize me
you know they say that's the difference between an extra introvert if you're introverted people exhaust you right so what is it for you oh gosh that's super interesting i feel like people think i'm an extrovert but i'm actually probably pretty introverted um i do get a little bit exhausted by energy i'm shy isn't that crazy
my mom sent me a video when i was like i haven't been like 12 or something in this video in detroit and i was like getting some ice cream out of the fridge and they were like melissa what are you doing what are you eating i was like ice cream you know your voice is all like ashy when you're a kid i was like ice
cream and i saw that the camera was on me and i was like ah and i like ducked and my mom was like here oh you've always just been so shy so it's like that shyness i think is what i protect with i'm an extrovert but the anti-social me is protecting that shy version of me so your when did your extroverted
identity first become dominant enough to surpass your introverted nature mmm that's deep i think lizzo was the person like when i my name was melissa for a long time and in the eighth grade they were like lizzo i'm lizzo now and i think that that was my you know coming out and i was like i felt cool for the first
time ever i was like i got a nickname i'm wearing jordans i got cornrows in my head i'm cool it's funny because we're talking about rooms obviously which is a banger and another lizzo banger and i just you know there was a line in there where you like you know you talk about school you talk about how it was
at school and how you were never called and now like check it out i'm with cardi and we're cool and yeah there's something to that line which i think is so sort of like um such a common thread throughout the artistic journey which is there's a healthy amount of q juice that has to be drunk in order to achieve from
at a certain point in your life like do you know what i mean there's a little bit of like you doubted me let me use that yeah did you have that q juice was actually the original title to juice i wish it was i'll tell you what that line i don't know if i was in i was in rehearsal for the music video or i was
either on set i can't remember but i heard the the line was playing over and over and never thought i was cool yeah not me and carter we cool yeah i like got emotional my i cried yeah and i was like oh my god i had this full circle because one of my best friends who i played flute with for like 20 years who i grew up in school with she's
in the music video she's next to me dance and alexia and she's so come together i brought her with me to rehearsals and i'm just sitting here like oh my god like i was a nerd like i you know all the people back home in the swat in a leaf who are gonna see this music video i'm in a music video with
cardi b and i was walking through the hallways with like sweaty hair reading fantasy novels you know a nerd a geek a band nerd you know and i cried because i was like what a full circle moment i made it you know i always wanted to be cool you know what i'm saying we all did everybody did but it's funny because i look back on it and
some of the people i thought were the coolest i'm not cross-casting any judgment i just i just think that like there's something about being having a healthy amount of isolation at a very important moment in your life those transition moments when you're becoming a young adult and searching for independence
that level of rejection sometimes allows you to find out who you truly are so when people actually identify with the real you you've done some work yeah right and you're not actually pretending anymore which is what we're all trying to do at high school right absolutely it builds character you know
being rejected over and over and over again yeah i think it's like nobody well i don't wanna i have friends you know what i'm saying so let me not say that shout out to the swat crew like i have friends but it's like when don't nobody wants you it's like i gotta want myself you know it forces you to want yourself
and but mind you i wasn't like that you know cognizant and sharp and i was like yeah in 10th grade i'm gonna love myself like i didn't i wasn't that cool i wish i had that bravery but i discovered it later on sooner than than most people because everyone's always like how did you do it how did you love it because
you were forced to yeah i was like did nobody like no one else is what is it like when you hear an audience then as someone who had to identify with yourself before others would even remotely acknowledge that and then you have 30 000 people 60 000 people telling you you're great so my dream one of my goals you know i always talk
about like the grammys number one songs were never my goal because i didn't think that was attainable my goal was to have a song that was so good that people could sing without me even having to tell them to and when that happened finally i was like oh my god my dream i was like i'm done like my
dream like i don't need to do nothing else in my career which one was it first for you that you recognized hit that hit struck a chord because you've had a lot so for you which one was it to be honest with you hmm i would say a big one where i felt like it moved people was my skin but if we could fast forward
good as hell for sure yeah good as hell which blows my mind that was a 2016-17 type scenario because that's just kept going i was on a plane watching a new movie the other day and that song is in the soundtrack of some new movie i don't know what it was and so it's like it's just crazy how that
song just continues to grow and grow and grow and grow and also like that was quite a transition moment for you because if you think back to lizard bangers and a big girl small world you know you were definitely you know you were you were searching for bars and working on some tough beats and there was humor and all
those things in there i felt like good as hell was where you were like hang on there's a different lizzo here yeah well that was pivotal i think like i was being really internal and selfish on lizzlebangers because i had this like horrible writer's block and i was always sharing my story with other people because i
wasn't like rock bands and girl groups and so i was always giving a third of the story or you know and i think lizzo bankers was me just being like this is everything i've ever wanted to say you know and i just said it all and i was like i don't care if it sounds good i don't care if it's cool or not i'm
just going to say everything that's on my chest because i can finally do it and so there's a lot of like anger in liz obama it's frantic listen it's like you're trying to get as much out as you can and the music reflects that too like it's it's really kind of 80d in a good way yeah it's chaotic and i i needed it
that i used all my music as therapy and then when big girl small world came along i was like now i want to sound cool like i want you guys i want to make artsy music and then i went to like april base with like justin vernon and bj burton and i just made like the artsiest farciest rap you know project of all time
and then i wrote my skin and my skin was simple you know and it touched people and it meant something and it mattered and i my intention with music changed upon writing that song i was like okay i'm writing this music to you know be cool or be artsy but now it's like i want to write music that helps people
that heals people yeah and i learned like less is more like if you want to help somebody you don't sit and read them the pythagorean theorem you don't go open encyclopedia and say okay well this is how you're going to feel better you just hold them you know what i mean well sometimes the most simple truths
at the time feel like the most complex because to cut to the core of how you feel about yourself and share that with others who may be going through a similar thing now i feel like the conversation is changing and there's more bravery and courage in that conversation but even three four years ago you must have felt
like you're an astronaut in what way in the sense that you were coming out and saying this is who i am and i'm gonna be unashamed about that about how it makes me feel for better or for worse and i'm not going to try to pretend by doing this project or or being this or less identity more you yeah yeah an astronaut
as in like just being out there alone no no it's in searching for new territory that no one else has climbed to that altitude before on a rocket ship searching for new things this is this is the part of my career that's really hard for me to grasp is accepting that i've done something that has never really happened or that i
was a part of like a new movement or a wave because i'm like i was just being myself i was just being me like what the hell yeah um i'm still dealing with that i'm like i everybody's been like this right like it's all this has always been the status quo but i remember when i put i made a song and it was like i'm in love with
myself i'm in love with myself i never i was like you know what i've never heard anyone say that in a song so i'm gonna say it yeah and i did it like just kind of off the cuff like silly like funny but i didn't realize it would start this whole thing like i was watching a commercial and it was these big girls in it and it
had nothing to do with being big and i was like but what's cool about it is that and this takes a bit of the pressure off which i think is what you're referring to and it's like i have a hard time understanding or identifying myself in that framework is that i think that timing played a big role as well because
i think the combination of social media and the and the fact that there was so much identity obsession going on all the time that to cut through and just say look let me just like i said make a simple statement about how i feel about myself without pretending yeah landed at a time when others felt the same
way oh wow and i think the conversation changed i think i think it was a combination of your courage and also synergy just time yeah i think everything is in timing i also i feel like i just didn't have the luxury of hiding behind anything because like you know i'm fat you know what i mean so it's like i
immediately am out here like i don't know how to describe it how do i put this in a way that makes sense like i feel like when fat is the worst thing people can say about me at this point this is like the biggest insecurities like how dare a pop star be fat how dare you know so i had to own that yeah i feel like other
people who were put on that pedestal or who become pop stars probably have other insecurities or have other flaws definitely but they can hide it behind a veneer of like you know being sexy and being marketed and here's the thing that is old-fashioned that is old thinking yeah and i i know you know our kids now have an age where
they're the purity of what they learn as children is now being um uh absorbed by what society presents right the infrastructure they're walking into they're pre-existing right so they're trying to figure out like who am i based on how i've been raised and what's in my heart versus what world is this again
like i'm a teenager now what am i actually inheriting here this is whoa this is shish this is right we've all been there what's interesting to me is that they're so much more focused on energy than they are on surface yeah books and all that other and that's new it's new that's the point it's new
holy it's a beautiful thing though it's a beautiful thing you even like look back when i like watch old movies or i watch like commercials from like the early 2000s or the 90s i'm like this is what i was thinking they get away with it i don't know and i'm like so many other kinds of people exist yeah yeah how how
did we just allow this to happen this slim you know representation this slim amount of representation because we were stupid and naive and just you know we're so good we've got so far to go yeah it's true because even now it's like i'd be like this you know they always ask me about like change like how has it changed like
right right right and i'm like there's two worlds going on here do you know what i'm saying there's like the media there's mainstream culture the surface of things the veneer then there's the infrastructure and i feel like music can influence the culture in in the way things look commercials billboards but that
changes so much the infrastructure has not changed as much there's still so many people who suffer from being marginalized you know systemically while while you know meanwhile you know there's a plus-sized black girl at the grammys but like plus-sized black women are still not getting the the treatment
they deserve in hospitals and from doctors and at work you know what i mean like we got a long way to go but check this out you talk about it it's just everything that is epic about lizzo you know that you lull people in with this sense of like you're a charismatron right you can call yourself whatever you
want to all of us you're like this just shining superstar yeah you got this ridiculous undeniable charisma and so you put that on display as soon as the music starts and you pepper with humor and then you're just like oh wait did you hear the fourth line and the seventh line and the twelfth line and the end of the record did you hear the
really important she's saying in there which is why are you still treating women this way acknowledge that we made rock and roll [Music] and it's like you have been doing that i feel like for a long time you're a subversive artist you like to go in there and bring us in make us dance and then teach us
i feel like you can give medicine better with a laugh you know or a smile yeah that's how it's always worked for me like i like to i'm the bright side you know what i mean but i like to give you the facts like like they always say with comedians like dave chappelle is so great because he's
telling you real but you're like ah yeah yeah you know what i mean and if i can get the whole world singing these powerful uh mantras and and and and like positive words and language and they don't even realize they're doing it they're like i'm in love with myself i'm my own soul mate you know at a certain point you start to
believe it and it sinks in or even now it's like black people may rock and roll yeah they're gonna be rocking out so they'll be like subversive all the things they just i love it thomas president boy i got the preaching on the drums the devil's in the detail and i think that you really do layer your music in a really deep way
i'm learned in music like i studied music theory my whole life since i was like 12. but i do have to give a lot of thanks to ricky reed who who produced rumors but jews truth hurts good as hell like he definitely took this tool that i have and like sharpened it yeah you know so now i know what i'm listening for it's like i'm
just smarter you know because of that relationship well he also makes things pop like the drums and the and the way things sound i'm a supersonic nerd um and obviously now apple we're in this whole spatial world so i'm really into that because the idea of focusing on sound and not just on ideas and
performance like people always forget that sound is really what is thaist india ricky makes like the perfect sandwich you know what i'm saying he takes all the ingredients and he he knows my voice so well which my voice is the meat and he scoops things out so my voice sits in it so perfectly so you're like
this meat is delicious you don't care about the bread you don't care about the lettuce or the cheese i'm getting hungry or the sauce it's the meat and he knows that that's the most important thing he puts my voice first it should be about the voice when you're a vocalist let me take that back it should be about the voice when
you have something to say in your vocalist i think a lot of times music can also like some artists are super production and music based too so shout out to them like i feel like even someone like salon who has the most incredible voice is so about the production though like i want to sit and just get lost in you
know her mind i feel like solange is just like she paints like frank paints yes frank she's searching they're searching for ways for the voice to be a major color within an overarching phrase baby let me tell you something about frank ocean frank ocean took music and like rearranged the letters and now
it's like like how does that a hook frank ocean like yeah went slightly like flat on what was that song new religion bad religion bad religion that's true religion jeans but like love me he went sharp halfway through yeah and the music was like changing like chords and i thought it changed keys i was like this
is wrong but it's so right it's tension he's so nose as well it's like talk about the gift and the curse i can imagine for someone like frank being hyper aware of all of those details and then yeah and then we sort of dumpedy-do into the room and kind of listen to it takes us six years to figure it out yeah like
i don't know you know every time i listen to siegfried i learned something new about music and that's just that one song like he's just unbelievable he's incredible i mean first of all before we even get into the to the coming back bit how did you feel at the end of the last bit because i feel in 2020 it's like hey top of the
world won all these significant accolades all the things that people probably probably felt were beyond your reach because other people put those ideas in your head you surpassed them and achieved them and then what it was a difficult time right that was difficult because i felt like i mean snl was great but you know i was
so sick that day like i mean i should not have performed then you know we go to australia and it's my first time in australia but those those the brush fires had done so much damage and there was so much tragedy there and um i was like wow this is like really difficult i can't come here and just gloss over
what's happening and so we of course you know we went to like uh food banks and we tried to like donate as much money and raise awareness and then you have like the grammys which was um one of the most bittersweet days like i just felt like everyone was so sad and mourning and you know losing
you know an icon the same day as that day in the same venue i was i was like this whole night is dedicated to kobe i was in the room that day i saw you that day and i was in the arena when the news went around and it was um you'll never forget it never forget where you were on those days and i wasn't i wasn't watching tv i didn't
have my phone on me and you know my very close friend um i had i got to hear it from her and i had to hear it from her and i was just like and i'm on the carpet and you know i was just like numb i was like you know you sort of want someone to to pull it hey you want someone to go it's not happening just so everyone can just
take a breath and process and grieve and do what they've got to do yeah when the show goes on all of a sudden you become part of the show yeah it's like how as i'm just a human being how do you react to what's going on right now with cameras and questions right with no personal connection to
this person except for my heart and my childhood in my life and then you know i'm i'm opening the show so i get back and i'm like okay i said please give me like 60 extra seconds to just dedicate this performance and they were like we can't really give you too much time but then turns out we had built in the track
like and extended after the orchestra play that was like an extended break and it was too long in rehearsal and i was like it's a little too long but let's keep it that way i might get nervous and then i was like no what don't worry about i'ma say it right here and i said tonight is for kobe and we just and that
was just the beginning of the grammys and you know winning that award i had a whole speech planned you know but i'm like i'm the first award of the night i can't walk up here in his house and just say so i just want to thank my i'm like no this is my opportunity right now to you know be an artist that is connected
and what i do is make people feel good what i do is remind people of who they are and when and stepping up when i need to step up like i went to australia and went to food banks and then i you know i'm like i'm not just here for myself no this is the thing i think that it's reflected in your person that you are a
very thoughtful person and that you do care about others otherwise you wouldn't speak up openly about what you go through and share those it means something to people it resonates with people i appreciate that but i'm i'm still people you know so it's like i am dealing with the same global trauma like
i just feel like the the trauma has not stopped yeah you know to be honest with you i've we've been traumatized since 2001. let's keep it real because since then everything has just been like on a global level almost catastrophic and terrifying you know um there's just been so many events that has affected us
as like a society and then i just felt like rolling into 2020 was just like heartbreak after heartbreak after after trauma and you know i'm trying my best to be like i do my hair toss and it's like man it's like nah i don't do my hair toss right now but the beauty of what i'm able to do in the space that
i've created as an artist is that i am able to express the full spectrum of emotion even when my songs are happy it comes from pain like good as hell is a sad song it's like he doesn't love you anymore i say that i say that in the second verse he don't love you anymore like what you know what i mean truth hurts is
oh my god was written about one of the saddest days of my life because i love you whoa line of the album i'm crying is i'm crying because i love you yeah you know if you didn't if you didn't heard that album and you saw that on a poster like lizzie because i love you be like cause i love you cause i love you baby yeah yeah
we're gonna live together forever you know what i'm saying and then you press play on and it's like i'm crying yeah okay so i've given myself the space to have that to have emotion to be real to be human so even like thank god because i'll keep it real with you a lot of artists don't get that same
space and my heart goes to them because it's not easy yeah trapped in your own identity at that point absolutely and i saw that happening to me early on like it really does happy you really do that no i'm not really this happy i'd work hard to be this happy sometimes the happiest people are that way because
they've been the saddest they have their they've come out and they're appreciative of the light you know but i'm like i'm gonna share my light and i'm gonna share my darkness with y'all so you understand that this i worked hard for this do you know what i'm saying i do and i felt like that's really ultimately what i took from the
way you've been moving in the last of eight year to 18 months was let me just make sure when i come back i'm being thoughtful hey amen yeah yeah cause mind you i was writing stuff i had a whole you know what this is my post truth hurts post cause i love you you like i'mma be crazy and wild like i had this whole like
this is my thought season i had that whole thing planned out and like then of course well mind you that was like august 2012 19 or 18 when i was on that vibe and then life happened lots of life and i realized that i have never been the type of person to premeditate the message like i have to go in real time and be like
whoo all right now i know my purpose like i have to wait for my purpose to come to me i can't just drop music because it's trendy because it's cool to stay relevant someone's telling you to and it's on yeah period and thank god i have a team including atlantic records who understands that more than i do they're
like hey don't rush don't rush greatness don't rush time or don't rush music and like take your time and really just be the artist that we know you are yeah and i'm like wow thanks i'm going through the lyrics in my head and i remember let's get the lyrics for a second for rumors because because i was kind of
really going through them and within the first minute you talk about what you shouldn't shouldn't be posting body awareness letting go of friends in a lawsuit the end of your relationship and the fact that you nearly lost it last year that's in verse one [Laughter] you know you don't realize the purge i
mean it's incredible because and because you dress it up and the song has that ray parker jr ghostbusters goodness to it you think i'm dancing right now yeah you you just wrote an entire book in a verse i didn't even realize it i didn't even freaking realize it when it was happening damn but it's true you know what i realized
maybe i'm like i'm like a tmi type of person because when people ask me how i'm doing i never just say i'm good if i'm not yeah like i'll say i'm great i'm feeling wonderful or oh i just ate this sandwich that's amazing or i'll tell you my back hurts i got i gotta pee i gotta use bathroom like i'm not having
a good day i'm in a bad mood like i'll express that you know there's a few lines in this song that people might think is about them some people are right some people are wrong but yeah no definitely everything in in that verse happened and it's true man do you want to break up with somebody during quarantine that sucks
okay so that's another one that's another one here's the apple exclusive what's the line come on give us the line before we get the exclusive what's the line of the song i said my ex he blew it now the t i wrote that i'm almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy sometimes because i i was in a relationship during the quarantine
and that person i was with that person when i wrote it it wasn't even about him oh wow it was about like it was a reference back to like truth hurts and then oh my god that's the worst it's not funny it's not funny buddy i mean what i'm just what is life without being able to look back on these things do you feel okay
let's talk about the idea of prophecy for a second the prophecy is a strong word manifestation art is a powerful energy field art is about the most pure way that you can communicate with someone aside from direct communication and it can't be altered by others if you don't want it to be and it can and and i
have this theory check it out people will say like how come how come genres like pop music in particular hip-hop r b achieved so much in a short period of time in terms of becoming the most successful genre and making being such a big business and whatever i was like because the artists were manifesting it every
time they touch the mic they were saying before they even had it i have it i have it i have it i have it you want it i have it you want it i have it don't manifest in greatness and the energy was attracted to them that's wild because i have been very careful about i know that words are spells you know
yeah right they're so powerful and i'm singing it every single night i try not to say anything that would bring darkness into my life i i bind and rebuke any negative energy in my songs and and i'm very careful about always saying positive things because you can manifest that first verse of rumors i've been worried about it it happened yeah
because a lot of the things that i say did happen but not before i wrote them they were maybe on the way to happening right and then after i wrote them all those things really happened like they were all references to things that happened to me in the last like two or three years yeah but then after i
wrote it literally i wrote this song in february like the breakup like losing good friends in my life yeah all of that really came to a head afterwards and i was like what the well there's another way of looking at it which is that those things could have sat there and just stewed in and just
festered for a long period of time and maybe just brought him to surface and yeah did away with him but you know what i haven't manifested yet drake so we well that's because i think there's a lot of people on the planet trying to manifest that so it's harder to manifest something that there's a cube
there's a big queue for the cob i'm not in that line i'm not an ally i just thought it would be so funny to say um i have a small relationship with him he's very cool he's super lovely you know and i just feel like women there's so many times where girls names get dropped in songs because they find it i love that you did it and also
the fact that you know you you can keep continuing again this isn't a theme throughout the conversation but you find ways to turn the tables and and and write and just and just cr even the playing field yeah i can't if you can i can and and it's important i think to recognize the the the
relationship that you and cardi have on this record and what you represent which is like a really s it's like an entire bar full of shots of you juice well cardi b is the ultimate like she to me has always done it right everything that she's everything that she said every way that she's reacted because you know why
it's because she was true to herself the whole time right she never did it to look cool she never did it to be accepted or to be liked she's a groundbreaker she's like you can't deny her ability she's a superstar and she has changed the game forever for a lot of us you know a lot of women i don't even think she realizes she's doing it
because she's just like i'm trying to just be successful i'm trying to get this money i want to live a happy life and she she just follows her heart that's what i love about her what made you think of cardi for rumors because it was there was no one else for it there was literally no one else like from the
day the ink dried on her atlantic contract i said please get me on a song with cardi b she's just funny i like funny people and she can rap you know what i'm saying seriously seriously be rapping i mean just to tie the whole thing together with drake i went to the dre concert um where migos the tour that they did i
think it was the like i mean what it's called the bandits tour vendetta's tour whatever and i went to that tour and uh on the on the night in l.a migos brought out cardi and um and it would have been hectic and it had been a great crowd and everyone was loved it and when cardi strutted out they were in those high
heels man wow it wasn't the sound of a normal crowd you know it was like war breaking out it was this guttural noise that came out of 20 000 people i've never had this just like i'll tell you one thing there's something about women in power that the world just explodes for and i think women haven't really been given
obviously we've been marginalized to a certain degree where we haven't been able to really rise to that seat of power again i must say again because we used to and now we're back we're coming back into our our place in power and you can tell the difference you know what i mean i remember because i was in
indie rap for a long time but it wasn't a lot of female rappers so i would get asked this question over and over and be like what's it like in female rap what's it like is a woman who raps as if we were this like minority in this huge sea of you know penis curiosity yeah um and i was like uh you know it's cool when they're like
well what's the future of it and i'm like well i really think that one day there's gonna be so many girls that rap that you're not to be able to keep up with them and we're going to be able to fill a whole festival line up ourselves just like how there's so many dudes rapping they all got the same names they'd be
you know what i'm saying they'd be sounding the same a lot of them and there's just so many you can't keep up it's going to be the same with girls cause i'm like what's her name i can't even keep up there's just so many girls rapping yep it's gonna be just like that that's exactly what's happening i love
it it's about time yeah it's about time man here we are like and and people go nuts i remember the first time i ever heard ten percent dissed by mc light hot damn hole here we go again hey suckers want a front but they know they can't win she just came out of nowhere and just destroyed it and that was the
hardest record around at the time like latifah same thing coming through and just always the hardest always the smartest yeah even like little kim like totally foxy brown yeah when lil kim will come out and start rapping and it'll be all these dudes on stage people just go crazy yeah yeah there's something about us man and
i and and i there were women rapping and there always have been it feels like the the floodgates have opened you know i feel like where it was difficult to get through and you had to be exceptional or you had to have the right co-sign or you had to have help now it's just like was good you know a big button a
smile and i got and i got eight bars what's good let's go like i love it i don't want it to stop i wanted to keep going i want a whole festival where it's just girls rapping and not because they're girls just because we're the best ones do it lizardfest oh baby you better oh better manifest oh did i oh did he did i manifest are we
not on the trust tree with the we're in the trust tree we're in the trust tree i just find you like a just an amazing person like you could you could honestly turn your attention to anything and i think you would inspire people through doing it and i think we covered a lot of ground in this conversation but that
that is at the core of that which is that you've had to learn those lessons yourself so when you speak on them you do so with authenticity yeah like a tea i feel like a i feel wiser i feel like it's not it's it is like burning your hand on the stove and being like let me tell you why the stove is hot
because when i put my finger on it i got a blister versus like don't touch that fire you know and you don't really know the depth of the pain you can't really express the pain to somebody you know yeah um i think that's what that is what it is with me but i'll tell you what i got an older sister so i never
touched a fire i let her do that in real life you guys feeling good oh we're doing great okay yeah she's so good she's writing k-pop songs she going brazy i'm really proud of her that's amazing did you feel any sort of pressure had things changed when you knew that you'd taken some time to make sure that you had the music you were
happy to release you wanted us to hear making rumors the first one was it a nerve-wracking decision or just not in your heart this is the one yeah everything comes to me innately like everything comes to me purposefully and so i just when it was obvious it was obvious yeah yeah you know what's wild though the
pressure the sophomore pressure or whatever it is right on album number four baby right is external yeah i feel like everyone around me is like well i hate to say that there's pressure but there's a lot of pressure here i'm like maybe you okay because i feel like you're feeling the pressure more than i am you know like
i'm so confident in the music that i make you know it's so honest and it's so fun and it's so good it's just good like i'm good at music i'm not and this is no shade to artists that are like this but i'm not that person who's just you know waiting for songs to show up in my email hoping
i get a good one i'm in there really in the trenches being like let me make sure this is good like i have more control over it ah there you go that's the key word right because you've earned that you've earned the right to have control um and pick who you want to work with and do it how you want to do it success affords
you that and hard work affords you that you announced pretty much on socials with our mutual friend mark that you've been in the studio making a record and an album and so without getting too far down the line just as a parting sort of gesture for fans um how do you feel about music as a whole the body of work that's to come
mark ronson is that's one of those people that you think you're never ever gonna work with and then you get with them and you're like oh this is once this is a one time thing and then you make something amazing and you do it again and you know like i'm am i really doing this and then he's also just like he has the energy of
like 16 year old kid making beats and his like yeah or in a rock band because that's no you got it in one make him beats i mean that's that's what mark is the mpc the kid who made beats on his npc and yeah you know is still that fan yeah exactly he's such a fan of music and you can tell and it like it's just
real in the room with him y'all going to get sick of mama confidence but i'm not i've made some of the listen and by the way i remember when i made because i love you the song you knew i called my mom i was crying i said i think i wrote one of the greatest songs of all time they're not gonna know it yet but one
day they don't know we knew as soon as we heard it and i think i did it again i think i did it again oops i did it wait you can't clear that but i think i and free britney i think i did it again i wrote an amazing i wrote one of the greatest songs and for me it's it's to me how about that i wrote
one of the greatest songs of all time to me is one of the ones you worked with mark or yes wow me and mark we did something real crazy i would sneak like pictures of him for me later down the road but then once we wrote that song i saw everybody gonna know we in the studio baby because this song about to change the world so
and he's like i don't know i mean it's like whole time maybe it's like you sound just like him yeah i mean this is crazy like i'm loving this hitting but i just think we've got some work to do on a strong let's try anyway we'll work it out later okay whoa that's good that's a good that's a good mark but let me tell
you why he a little different with me why he goes ham he'll be like i hope you have your diaper on because you're gonna your pants yeah and i'm like who is this guy like for some odd reason i turn him all the way up i love it we love you we're so happy you're back um this song is is like i said you don't
need my amateur review but it's uh it addresses all the things in your life personally while also addressing us all universally super super like ridiculous girl to do that i can't wait to hear the greatest song ever made and uh you're the best thank you so much you're so sweet and we gotta do this again sometime [Music]