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congratulations on everything man i love this record an industry baby i got to ask you why did you choose out of everybody and anybody and don't get me wrong i love this guy from dave dodd i've thought he's had something special
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but why did you choose jack harlow to to share the this one moment where you get to take the industry by the throat i feel like uh jack harlow i like i love jack carlo i i feel like he's one of those people that i i can see like truly appreciating
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what they are what they are creating and where they want to go you know like i i love people that are like like have these aspirations for for a much bigger place than where they already are you know yeah for sure i feel like very much kind of in a situation right now where i feel like i was at a point where a little on the outside a bit of an outlier whilst he's also having success is that what yeah you know you know like he's already had like
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you know like a huge moment and you know more lie ahead and i just want to like help give him that boost you know hope that's what i'm hoping this is for him how long did it take you to figure out that being an outlier was where you
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wanted to be not where everybody wanted you to be i feel like i didn't really grasp that until last year and this year you know uh because you know at first i i just very much wanted to like you know be want to fit in like included like you know be with my
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peers like like you know how travis scott and young thug and gunner like they're all like always on each other's albums and futures and whatnot but it's just like you know i'm in my own place for my own reason
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and you know that gives me more room to step out of my comfort zone is there a line on the song because there's a few that jump out to me but is there a line on the song that you're really proud of or that when you wrote it or when you when you
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wrapped it you're like man i can't wait for everyone to hear this one in context uh when i was like i don't i'm queer i love that song is correct that lyric is crazy because it's just like has and this is a genuine question has anyone outright
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come out in a in a verse whilst ripping the mic like that i'm really trying to think about it i don't think quite yet and i feel like that was important because i already knew this song was going to be uh very much uh our rap heavy song
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uh very much urban while still being pop you know yeah and i felt like i know who's going to listen to this let me make sure i'm doubling down because a lot of people you know have been saying oh well i like his music but he says sometimes he's like no like this is this is literally this is me well i feel like you've always been yourself but now you're unapologetically yourself 100. i'm not really trying to make sure any audience that's listening
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to my music is comfortable you know i want i am going to do me and you know i hope i hope they love it and watching you now kind of grow as an artist but also as a human in the way that you present your art
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is fascinating to me like i love the way it sounds and it makes me feel but then i love the way that you lovingly present it you don't just release music you make it an event you present it like it has to be a moment um does that is that a separate
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thought process to you or are you conjuring that up as you're making the song it's always uh something after like the song gets made i've like sat with it for a minute because i want to make every song every drop in my career like feel like a
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moment as you just said like because i feel like there's so much more to just a song or just an album or just a music video like you can do like you can create a world you can create a moment in time you can do something
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that you haven't done before each time and i feel like that's amazing i gotta ask you because i feel i can now i feel you trust me i gotta ask you snl was that an accident bro was it legit an accident did a catch-off guy promise on my entire life
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i don't judge you either way because i don't judge you either way because i'm like damn man some of the greats of all time have have manifested these moments that's all part of show business all part of entertainment why does
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everything have to be realistic so that's why i wanted to ask you i i i conjure up a lot of things i do a lot of things and you know a lot of things on purpose that that was completely unexpected that called me off guard like when you're on stage on saturday night live which is a banner moment this is marquee this is millions of people this is a lifelong dream and then your pants split in the in in the area that's going to get the most complaints
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and you and so you're thinking like okay like you got to think on the spot i mean fractions of a second right immediately as that happened i was like oh my god this is this thing is happening to me that has happened to so many other
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artists but it's like also i'm praying my asses and like on television already uh like just out there whatever your ass is probably okay but the area that split that's gonna get some people on the phone and on email like you know that yeah
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it could have been much worse um you know i really just wanted to make sure i kept going like i stuck to it and like didn't leave the stage or anything yeah you know thankfully everything worked out for the best yeah
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so how's things going in preparation for the for the next full chapter bro for the for the next full-length album i mean this music is once again giving us zero indication about what this body of work is going to sound like as a complete picture which i
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love so so where are we at i'm pretty much finished with the album but you know secretly i i uh as we were just talking about like moments and whatnot i i pushed the album back from where i was originally going to drop it
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because of that fact that i want to give these singles some more time to breathe before i like drop music videos for songs that are already being out for a long time or not uh but yeah i'm really i'm really in a great space i'm in a happy place
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i'm in a super creative place uh really just going with the flow making the best out of any situation that's thrown at me right now did you direct the video for uh industry baby yes uh co-directed more of like co-directing
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but how do you follow up ontario did you go in the opposite direction and just keep it kind of loose it fun i went to a place probably the last place people expected me to go for my next music video and it's really insane it's really
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it's really insane it's really fun and people are going to love it yeah it's perfect it's a trade man it's a trade for sure and um i guess now i think about all the list of firsts that you're achieving and the boundaries
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that you're bursting through and and the perceptions that you're changing and the challenges you're taking on i love you man i love what you represent right now i think what you're doing is super important and i don't think it's ever at the
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sacrifice of the music i never feel like you're making a statement not a song i thrash you but then i'm also really super super stoked with with the fact that you seem to like you've got your lane now no one can tell you to stop no one can
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tell me to stop no one ever could uh you know i'm really just blessed to even be in a position to be able to be doing what i'm doing right now and i'm happy that you know i push myself to be okay with doing what i'm doing you