you miserable yeah that's me baby hello [Music] hello oh um I bought a I bought a house that's not fancy that's nice necessary yes congratulations uh it was sent to me by Ed Sheeran he sent me uh he didn't send me as a house but like what he's just gifting houses
like dude it is Brewster's Millions for me mate I cannot get this away I am telling you yeah no he sent me the link to it we had we became quite close over lockdown I was asking a lot of questions about second records because it's been a lot and then I was talking about buying a house and I was
like oh I'm gonna move into this place like I'm kind of looking for places around Glasgow and he sent me a link and I was oh this place looks amazing and I went and looked at it and I'm quite like uh I moved it I looked at it and I was like this is great I didn't
maybe look around enough I didn't smell it did you buy the wrong house because Ed Sheeran told you to buy and you're a little excited yeah I got very excited I got very excited and I'm here to tell you the house is a yeah it's a MoneyPak and I will be it has been the bane of my existence for
the last couple of reservation hell now yeah yeah all about that stuff and he's like you want you want a house for your kids and I'm like uh those kids yeah [Music] yeah but you have to acknowledge that you won't like your kids and then be prepared for it and then accept that
when you do like your kids it's okay because it's just around the corners of time when you just want to like your kids yeah yeah okay by the way here's the news flash they really don't like you either right okay yeah it's called love my man yeah that's what love affords love Is Just accepting someone
that you truly despise love is accepting that people can be a good one and a bad one yeah I like what you said thank you I won't see the c one no thank you but I'm bringing it back to a place where it can be absorbed and adopted in everyday life absolutely in a human way love it
right I love it yeah and our children can definitely be good ones and bad ones yes well I don't have children but I know that it's good that you're speaking specifically as a father put this in your pocket save it for later you won't have to renovate that advice at all okay
right cool okay yeah yeah that's that's for free Edge Ed Sheeran's advice costs money one way or the other everybody knows that yeah I mean he'll get you in the end yeah exactly yeah he's been praying on my downfalls what's happening this is what it is this is what you've got to
understand about Ed Sheeran the guy's a monster yeah he comes across in there you know you look at him and it's like butter wouldn't melt get into him and he'll be in the dollars and cents before you know it let's just whisper in your right ear just a sold you too
I actually think he's got to the point where he spent so much time writing and poured so much of his life into it that he would have to actively go against his own instincts and to write a yeah and he's a lovely chap I do love him we do we do love you Ed yeah
he knows well I don't know about it anymore he property wank I love you brother you mean a lot to me and you know what Ed I I love you too and he knows that he's the Great Oak and we're all sitting around it waiting for his nuts to drop yeah but I've been waiting for those nuts honestly what I
have been waiting for those nights he's the Great Oak of life I haven't I've been begging him please give me your nuts here please yeah I'd like a couple other stuff as well the whole time yeah the whole time I've been like those look like delicious nuts I mean you're listening to the one
you're listening to the one and only Lewis yeah there's only one I don't know how you do it bro you have the ability to charm the world and that would make sense if the music you were playing was Charming Charming this is but you're nice Charming I mean you know more reflective
of this experience yes yes yes but there's two sides to who you are and there's two size to everybody it's multiple sized everybody we're all many thousands of people throughout our lives yeah but you sort of bring this Joy to the room and yet you reserve this heartache and this this pain for
yourself yeah gotta pay the bills gotta pay the bills my man no I think more than that yeah no for sure I think for me it's like I am on the deflection but I only know what I'm boing come right back to me there you go um I am fully like I'm quite like uh I like to feel
things like and I really do like I think I think I think we all do feel like broad spectrums of emotion and I think for me um like in my most of my life I am very much like full of them and like I'm up for a laugh and that's what I want to do and I think in terms of the music I kind of
get out all my happiness you know I mean like I may I I have more opportunities to share that with people and things and then I could ask for do you know I mean like even playing live shows even though I'm saying sad songs I'm sure it's a community experience yeah I mean and I
think for me my sort of or like sadness or like my heartache or my sort of self-reflective stuff where it could be about my anxieties and stuff where they like to talk about them with other people and do that I think in terms of writing I think that feels more
interesting to me like I know this this song that's like about that's come out is about love and being in love and stuff and that's that's one thing but when I'm thinking of what makes me happy it's like I'm not and well that sounds kind of I suppose about that but it's more like we're just
still searching for the reflectiveness for The Melancholy yeah like I love I love sitting in Melancholy like see on a Sunday night where it's like no you're not hungover or anything but Monday's around the corner and I don't have a normal job so it's not like that doesn't
doesn't matter Sunday fix everybody yeah do you know I may have no job and you still know that it's the end of a week in the start of a week yeah for sure I like to sit in that sort of Melancholia or like if I stay up to 3am I sort of like yeah that's what I started to think
about life for another and I think that's where I enjoying songs and I think cause them up for the most part I am like a quite jovial and I like to hit the person like double up I like I want to focus on the the bet when I'm not because that seems like a more interesting thing for me to explain I
love that answer because it's it's what goes up must come down it's actually part of the human experience and most people strive to get back to the Joy yeah they want to they want to ignore distract themselves from the from the pain but you actually waiting for it
yeah I like I like to see where it cut like where's it come from wow what how long is it sitting there why is it sitting there why is this thing sticking with me longer than you know pain that I've had prior or whatever that is incredibly dedicated to the moment but
that's interesting because I was like talking about like control and all the rest of it it's like I was talking about this thing of like set like I'm quite bad for like self-sabotaging and all this stuff but and I think a I read a thing that said that self-sabotaging is
a way of having control because you're like this is going really well and I'm scared of the outcome I don't know where this is going I need to take it back to a place I actually recognize if I ruined this for myself at least and I know that feeling and I know what it is and I know
where to go to get the reassurance I need to feel validated is that crazy I'm so happy that we're able to better understand this for sure I think that the cynicism is is um a byproduct of of growth because we have to be cynical about something in order to shave off the rough edges and get
into something that everyone can understand right so that's going to happen over a year decade decades it's totally not about our lifetime we're so consumed with what we get it done in our lifetime yeah sometimes the steps we take are going to help 40 50 100 years
and I think that you know we are in that space right now where we're shaving the edges off of it we all want it smooth we're committed we're in therapy we like it the people I speak to don't do it don't understand it or the naysayers who say your loss Capaldi you're rich always
the base level answer yeah what do you got to complain about you're rich they bring it back to economic freedom it's not about economic freedom it's about mental health yeah of course absolutely and that's and that's important thing I think as well from the outside looking
in sometimes because I I know I've been I find it frustrated where it can be used sort of online as a very like the sort of surface level stuff of like if you're struggling out there just know you are seen yeah you are here that I'm like I'm having a panic attack what does that do for me because it
feels too much like a brand yeah it just feels like a slogan and like what is it you're not actually talking like that's why I was kind of almost like reluctant initially to kind of delve into it because it just feels like and I I like I I don't want to like slag anybody off but like I think in terms of
the Instagram influences and stuff I can really take this and like sort of bastardize it in terms of being like that sort of like what do those three things mean you have seen you I heard you love this it's like a broad thing I have a slightly different approach to
that because I understand that mentality and I've felt that way again I think it's a roughage we just gotta stand out yeah I think even if you're out there and you're being a bit disingenuine about it or you're just looking for some cheap clicks that day still a positive
I'd rather that then you Zane you know what I mean that's some clicks yeah you know so for me it's like you know yeah for sure but you feel that way and I felt that way because I think we both really struggle throughout our lives I also took my time getting into this
conversation yeah and I want to also acknowledge that you know what you've recently said and come out and said is is amazing you know yourself Billy others have come out and said that you know Tourette's is a real thing and this is what you experience was that
something that you know took you some real courage to do it you just feel like it was time and it just it just floated out of you well I just got told look at the start of this year wow much because because I've always done like little like things to like take and even when I look back at like
um like interviews in 2017 because I wasn't doing it reviews before obviously but um when I first started doing this it's like I can see little like the movements that are kind of more exaggerated now so I do like my neck cracks a lot and I kind of lift my left shoulder up a lot and my face kind of
moves a bit and I do these deep breaths yeah I can see them sort of like like micro versions of them in the interviews that I've done in the past yeah and I think I've always done this stuff and when I went and spoke to the psychologists who kind of diagnosed with
that well but I think that's what we call them technical just Ben they told me about it and it was like a shock but it was also like oh that explains in my life yeah it totally is and it was like one of those things where we did some shows over the summer and I was like twitching a wee bit on
stage um which I've got a handle on it a bit more now I think but I was touching on stage and I saw a lot of people like oh what's is he okay like he's twitching a lot what's going on there and I thought I'll just I'll just put people's mind at easily like things are
faint you know I mean and it wasn't like uh I didn't it wasn't like a press release type thing but it was like I was on Instagram live and I was like oh by the way I always that's a press release yeah yeah that's what I do it too I mean um but I was like oh oh yeah I've got
two minutes that's why I'm twisting so much players yeah and then it became this thing but uh it was it was only like yeah African I've always been okay for like if something's wrong with me I'm not wrong with me but you know I mean if I've got something yeah yeah for sure going on with me I'll I'll share it
with a room because it makes me I don't really care but selfishly I'm not caring about like anyone else's view of I'm just like this makes me feel better to share the fact that I it doesn't just here's the beautiful trade it doesn't just make you feel better that is number
one and we should never forget that you should do that for yourself of course but it does help other people yeah yeah of course of course to see the thing but like for me it's like been from that I would be lying if I said it wasn't from that yeah still fish point of being like
yeah I just wanted ease the room here and I suppose as then I guess the whole thing I've been like no but you're right as well in this day and age you're on stage twitching and all of a sudden someone gets a shot of that they twist it up and you're drunk you're this you're on drugs it's like
man and then you're just having to go from but from behind the reality yeah yeah just to catch up to the reality exactly and that's such a waste of time it's like let me just be straight up with people I've found over the course of my life that actually I'm really
protective of that responsibility especially in conversation yeah because I think that entertainment masks how important that is yeah and I think the entertainment is now falling away a bit and we're actually realizing that the purpose of the artist is to teach yeah and guide of course and
I'm a good teacher you're a great teacher I'm a good teacher seriously teacher of the year and class is in session classes in session right here with Jane law yeah yes there you go geography are you good at school uh no I was lazy very very lazy that doesn't mean you're
not good I think I was clever I never applied myself it didn't interest me it's one of those things if that you're talking about being obsessive yeah and even in music what we were doing in music wasn't what I wanted to do music so I didn't care about it but I was obsessive about
like I would play music outside the school yeah kind of got me buying I was lazy I've never studied I don't have ever studied for anything in my life like in terms of the exams and stuff but I still managed to like squeeze by like bees I'm so good how do your parents
relate to somebody um who uh at an important moment in their life who's forging their Tools in order to move forward in life who's getting constant reports saying this guy could be so much better than he is M the where I think because they saw how much I cared about music they felt
confident you were cool yeah like because they saw how like outside the music I was like going for it and I was playing shows and I was like really like every weekend I was playing a gig every Wednesday Thursday I was doing rehearsals or whatever like so
they saw me in that as long as they saw me put an effort and elsewhere they were like like if you get B's and C's or whatever it's cool we know you're gonna like thing it do music or whatever but because even if it wasn't this it was weddings it was playing in pubs it was
well but I just wanted to get in front of people and sanctions it's beautiful that is your education if you can have an educational simultaneously to organize education then I think you should have a license to be able to do what you want with your life and I think that's the thing they saw because my
brother was a singer as well and he kind of he weaned off a bit and has like teens he was better looking than I was so he got more girls and things and I think that's what kind of took him off from that that tangent gave you the hunger though didn't it yeah yeah yeah
the hunger right yeah that's that gave me the you juice you're like man I'm a drink that you juice you know like you I'm gonna be huge you just sounds like we're talking about Ed Sheeran's nuts again but yes so he could have went off and I think my mom and dad were kind of expecting me
but when I got to like 15 I was like putting on my own shows and all this but it was like seeing that sort of commitment I guess was the sort was the was what gave them the the confidence that I would be okay in some fashion I'd be able to make a living as parents you
know we try not to seek reassurance from our kids because it's not good for identity development but it's hard to shake that and um I do think framework's good you just obviously you create your own framework realize what you wanted to do and what you love to do is it turned
out to be everything you imagined it would be now that you're actually achieving um real question real answer that's a good question yeah uh I know it was a last minute um I'd say yes and no what's the yes first live shows love it playing live tuning yeah and talking about their best
to turn the island like turns can be really boring sometimes especially if you look after yourself yeah um are you good at that um no but like when I say look at yourself I basically I mean don't get pissed yeah of course yeah I cannot I need to I can't booze on tour otherwise
I can't because I'll have a I'll I'll just it just won't start yeah and it's like I'll it I'll just be anxious the next day yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so touring yes all that stuff I never really gave much of a or paid much of attention to like music videos or
like recording like the actual recording process and all this but so when that stuff came it was like tough it was tough and I hate photo shoots I hate being in front of like these cameras are fine but I hit me in front of like cameras in general and I don't feel I just always feel uncomfortable about it
and I grew up listening to like power routine he was like my big thing and he was always quite like shy of like oh look the first time I ever talked to Paulo I felt like we just like lured the snow leopard out from the Rocks yeah I mean it was crazy maybe he walked in the
room and like everyone was just like is he actually here yeah I remember when you played um scream for the first time and he came in you played it and then you played it straight away the second time like right after you played that now I was like this is unreal but like
there you go yeah yeah exactly a few times now he's not original but I definitely do well yeah yeah I think I played Chance the Rapper um no problem six times seven for 30 minutes wow Jesus right okay I mean I was desperate for That interview as well how many times
you play Redbone I know that was the six times Redbone was telling him as Childish Gambino and it wasn't it was me and your mama me and your mama yeah yeah yeah yeah for 30 minutes but then what year did that come out 2017 yeah I was knocking around I mean that was meant to test in the world yeah just
teasing okay man got on a train from Scotland and came up and actually showed up I mean he did nothing to your point yeah yeah and I think that's the thing like yeah I was I kind of looked at people like that and then I was just like oh somebody don't you can just kind
of thing and I realized not everybody can do that do you know what I mean when you have your personality I mean I don't know what you would do with this energy if you didn't have a chance to connect and we are as a species desperate to connect so in a way you kind of don't
have a choice even though you do I know I know what you mean and I do feel like and I do like coming and having like conversations like this and and this is another thing that I I've actually really enjoyed which I I thought I was going to hate like doing the radio promo
and and come and having chats like this and all these other things where I was really like in interviews I was like oh I don't know like when I first started it was because it's so weird as thing to do and you don't know how much of yourself you can be yeah you've got 20 minutes with a stranger who wants to
be your best friend and then next yeah how do I be myself I think once you start to be yourself and everyone loved you this is this is this was the thing I think my thing was because I remember when I first 2007 16 whatever when I first started kind of doing writing
sessions there in London or whatever and 1975 were the mysterious that was the whole thing they only had they had like the big spaced out letters Etc and everyone was like you've got to be mysterious gotta be mysterious and I was like here's another one we're all waiting for his nuts oh man honestly
I've absolutely love Matthew Healey's nuts he's our lesson we did a song He's brought together for this album shut up uh do people know that hey I don't think I've mentioned it before okay so all right all right all right look you move all over the place I moved
over the place we're still driving in the same direction I love it we love it yeah on the same freeway right and we just changed lanes yeah yeah so hold that thought we're gonna come back to 16 17 but I'm gonna ask you right now or you tell me do you want to keep going on
that one you want to come back to Matthew I'm definitely talking about Matthew Healy all right cool so how the do you find yourself in a room with Matthew Healy I love a nice survive but um my favorite I think my favorite band just know used to be the Maccabees knows oh God Maccabees my that
was the first concert at eldest kid went to with the headphones on as a baby there you go please unbelievable special yeah unbelievable so no but no it's like nice if I and I love the sort of like I just love how he is and how they are as a band in terms of
has the way he has now especially the way he doesn't give up he's a troll yeah honestly see the stuff like that she always said to me it was just like oh yeah we should do one of those big interviews we could write you know go up on a mountain and be all pretentious the
cheek of matter healer to call someone else pretentious all the comments I mean they've got like a million views and all the comments on Tick Tock were just like the cheek of this calling you pretty much it was so good as well but that's I think I think the amazing thing about him as well is that sort of like
self-awareness is a massive thing he not like you don't put like simple Epicurean philosophy in your song and I know and think why do people call me potentials when we went to Manchester he had the whole entire day mapped out I had no idea what we were doing he was like
right we're gonna go here we're gonna go here and here's why we're gonna go here I mean he was interviewing himself yeah yeah it was amazing he's incredible I absolutely love him and I think that was the thing he reached out to me on Twitter and actually it Emma's like me
your class like you like talking a bit more talking about reviews and stuff like that and it was like you make me laugh he says it'd be good to do some like get together write some songs and write some like funny letters because obviously people to add his songs a lot
more than I do and he's funny too he's hilarious he's funny lyrically really funny yeah yeah and that's the thing that's something I had like that I'm envious of that like that sort of like being able to like translate that sort of who the humor side of him until like it could be even like if you know
that is Lewis that is Matt Healy learning how to take the the accusation pretentiousness and using it as a tool yeah exactly well that was at the sound when the sound video came out and it was all that stuff like the bad reviews and that on the screen you want pretentious
I'll show you potential yeah yeah exactly sell you potential exactly and it's incredible and I think so basically he reached out and I was like all right cool I thought it was just like a nice thing they were saying and then I was like to my manager like this is three years later
can you ask him like if he's done it well you sat on that for a few years yeah because I was like we finished the album and I was like there's no way he's been serious right right here I mean right uh and then a few years later I was like let's ask somebody loves a bit I was feeling I was feeling
myself good and it was and we came down and I went to the studio in London and he was a lovely guy yeah hilarious smokes a lot of weed smokes a lot of weed smokes a lot of some of the biggest Choice I've ever seen in my life yeah when I was like fair play when we went to the
interview real quickly man I mean I was there he was like I was just out the back having a smoke and I was like oh god oh man it's mad but that's the thing he did he I was like there's no because if I had like two drawers of a joint I I got um prescribed medical cannabis in
the UK for my anxiety yeah I took one drop and I started hearing voices it was horrific I'm not good I don't handle a whale yeah so there's no way he's gonna be a bit test anyway the first thing we start writing yeah and he showed me songs and he showed me like a
really early demo of them looking for somebody that you loved and I was like that's amazing but it was like you guys in for a songwriting station then plays a future hit from your own band at the time I can't wait to write with you by the way this is one of ours oh my God at the time it was just
like the looking for somebody to love that was like I heard that I was like that's amazing like so sick and I was like so that's this kind of the idea I've been working on and I play on my song Blah Blah Blah and it's kind of just like me over chords mumbling blah
blah and he goes oh that's amazing who'd you wear that with and that goes oh no I wrote it he goes oh look you write your own songs and I was like and I was like this is exactly her what it does to go like that's exactly what I wanted bro it's unbelievable I was like
that's kind of and I was like yeah he goes no of course you do I I was hilarious and then obviously he's like smoking weed and the song we wrote is really good and I love it and I left it with him and he's like did I make the album no but I was just passing s because it's
weird it's because it's like proper proper wheel that I'm like I'm not there yet maybe an extra because we'll we'll get a bit we'll get a bit freaky with it but um yeah but yeah and he would set and he would be like it'd be it's set and it's kind of silence for a bit and
I'd be like playing away thinking and like comments and then I'd be like is he still paying attention oh let's see like I see I see board and then he would jump up right yeah and give you four of the best ideas you've ever heard in your life yeah yeah yeah yeah and then he took back then again yeah oh
he's like what he's doing is and what a lot of Pop raters don't do yeah he's listening yeah and he's like really real listening he's like he's just sometimes you know I remember writers they're just thinking out loud and they're regurgitating and they're just spewing at you and
you're like right just give me a space to think where he's sitting in silence oh he does weirdly he does all his thinking in his head which in the room is like it's a bit old initially but you're like contemplation for I was saying that to me the other day it's the
magical space where true greatness comes from yeah and the rest of it is really just noise and we're fully capable of making it we all make it yeah but he's like I strive for contemplation yeah yeah and I think that's Matt healy's like call it tati because he was he was incredible it was such a an
amazing thing to be able to remember and then I was supposed to do another couple sales with them and I got covered so I couldn't do it but yeah um you got a song out of it we got a song over tell us a really amazing story you haven't told yet about this album I don't know I
don't know about I mean I was really I worked with Tobias on this one to buy SJ so not often you rate songs people and keep in touch and thinking then he came over over to Scotland yeah and we had we had a studio and and this is again quite Niche if you're from Scotland I should
go to a place called cumber Knowles right yeah which is not it's not the most glamorous of places in the world it's dead if it's probably the furthest thing from Ellie you could imagine yeah yeah and it was like this gets kind of like a dinky little Studio
there's it's really like is there a pub there was no pubs in the vicinity because it was in an industrial estate he came there and just to have him because I was with the TMS boys who do a lot of stuff with enemy but to have him come to Common old and be like that's like huge comedians
here just like and but he like he would love the Adele session yeah he exactly like and he just finished he wrapped an album I think they've like had just cut it may have just come out at that point yes it was late last year yeah and it was just it was just incredible to watch him
in that environment because this is like a studio that like 16 to 17 year olds who are in the first bands coming higher out and playing it yeah and we had set up shop in it you go from there to the buffalo exactly yes or something even worse yeah yeah but I
think just having him there and to be fair it was like a really this is like a really open conversation talking about like the expectations of things and have the uh has this experience been what I expected or yeah even maybe wanted yeah and I think I was having a lot of like really
difficult thoughts about it and like kind of like I was I was realizing that I get a lot of anxiety from doing this like like being like there it is yeah bro that is a real truth bomb because you said something not to stem your flow hold your thoughts but you said something just now in
conversation that is a very important observation for people listening to this conversation um almost every artist I've ever spoken to gets anxiety from the process yeah and it cures it and it helps it but it's tough yeah of course we have to acknowledge that 100 and it's like this
is some I can't remember I was doing an interview with but they were like do you think this has this exacerbates or do you think if you stop doing this tomorrow I would read you of of a massive amount of anxiety and I was like question who asked you that I hate them that was uh
Zach sang you know Zach saying I know exactly yeah nice nice guy I love that you know what he does because it went out of that question no not at all I'm gonna use it and I was like but I was like yeah I could if I stopped tomorrow I would I'd probably my tourettes would
get a lot better in terms of like because guess what I'm anxious to stress anxiety wise I play the number of panic attacks I have would reduce stress what would you do but yeah but that's the thing I would then be in the space of like I don't have like a purpose to like
I do I don't know what I'm doing I'd be floating through a little bit and it's feeling like I've I've I get like I could I could do it like I'm lucky enough to be in that position where I could I could stop doing it tomorrow yeah but I just I'd be bored for the start and it's like yeah yeah also
how would I meet women about him I think it's just it's one of those things where I I wouldn't want to like this is it's worth having the stuff and also I think it's important it's bringing a lot of stuff to the surface that I probably had to address anyway that if I was there do
you know what I mean I would have just floated through and it would have reeled its head at some point you know what I mean but what was funny was I was talking to you Tobias and the guy for TMS and me and you're talking about tobias's like early 30s I think yeah let's do
something or something like that and has had his career doing that sort of incredible like guns and like that an amazing album and doing this sort of indie record and then becoming this huge pop song yeah yeah and then you have TMS who are like pop the UK like kings and
when it comes to like pop music they do obviously stuff they came up through doing like they were like garage DJs for a bit and then all this and it's just interesting having these all these different paths and I think everyone's at different stages in the lives of TMS boys are a bit older than
Tobias and it's like we all had the same sort of like feelings about like either feeling we're not enjoying this enough for feeling like this either isn't what we've signed up for or maybe like this isn't isn't um isn't making us feel how we want it to be really important you
acknowledge that absolutely and it was just like it was just interesting we all had and how sometimes it feels like a bit of a and I get and I'm just I'll just say it feels like a chore a lot of time it's like really yeah at this point it's really difficult and it's
really like this is like this is my life and sometimes I feel like I couldn't it's ruining my life in certain aspects in terms of like how sometimes I feel about myself like you're talking about block yeah how I feel about myself when I'm can't write a song I'll write those
songs then yeah and then we get them and we hold you there yeah yeah of course and all you want is to keep growing yeah exactly and that this connection I think is at the root of a lot of artistic um uh discontent yeah and I think that's that was that that that's exactly right
and I think we the song we wrote that is the last song on the album It's called how I'm feeling now and it's my favorite song on the record everyone I played it they hated it when I'm talking about my mom and dad hated that my manager hated it I think they've come around I think it's quite a hard
talk to listen to in terms of the chorus especially in terms of like what I'm saying like theletic is like so here's to my beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied and no sense of self but self-obsessed always trapped inside my head and then it's like I thought I'd be
happier somehow if you're wondering how I'm feeling now it's like the last lyric this dude and the thing this guy can sit here for the last hour I mean we've all Fallen here but he was in love with you man oh I love you all too it's hard not to appreciate you as a human being man but
uh then you can come and drop those those those words I I can see why they want those closest to you struggle with that yeah because they want to see you happy of course and you you have to acknowledge through your art that there are times you're not and it's tough yeah
and I think it's easy when you're not a songwriter and you're not in music and you're looking at it from this sort of like here's this song that you don't get the nuances of the conversation that we were having it's easier to listen to it and be like oh he he hits his life and
that and it's like no this is just like a a trough mentally they always hold you in that moment yeah you have a moment and we hold you there exactly 100 and that for me was like in terms of writing the album and that's quite a long way to answer to your questions
just about that for me was like the most special moment right now I was kind of realizing that oh this isn't just like a a myth I'm not I'm not special and my suffering was a nice thing to to know so I mean it's weird to think like oh this is only happening to me
this only happens to me like you know it's nice to know that I'm not special at all on that um and that um Arena everyone's suffering the same and everyone's going through the same stuff so it was um yeah it was just really that for me was probably my favorite writing moment of of the record [Music]