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I don't want to talk to you anymore. That's gnarly.
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I mean, that's like a hot hot.
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Hey, what's going on everybody?
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For First We Feast, I'm Sean Evans and you're watching Hot Ones.
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It's the show with hot questions and even hotter wings.
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And today we close out season 17 with Josh Brolin.
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He's an Academy Award nominated actor whose storied credits include No Country for Old Men, Sicario, Deadpool, the Avengers, many, many more.
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His latest project though is the mind-bending mystery thriller Outer Range, which is set to release on Prime Video April 15th.
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Josh Brolin, welcome to the show. Thank you, brother.
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How are you around hot sauce before we dig in?
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I mean, I've been around hot sauce my whole life.
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I said earlier that my mom's from Texas.
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Um, my dad is a big hot sauce afficionado.
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I'm just kind of a trashy Tabasco guy, but you know, I'm willing.
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But I'm interested to volley with you.
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I want to see how this goes.
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And I've been on kind of a diet, you know, I got to get ready for Dune and a week ago I kind of went into panic mode, so I stopped eating all the stuff that I was eating.
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So we're dealing with this on kind of an empty stomach, which I think might make for an interesting moment. Right on.
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This is like a Miyagi thing. Yeah, here we go. Setting the tone. Ready.
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Do you always use the same sauces?
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So every season we're out with the old, in with the new.
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So this is the season finale for season 17.
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So you've had these sauces all season.
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All season, but this is the last time that they'll be on this table. Right on.
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Sending them off in style. That's really good, man.
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So, your new series Outer Range is a mind-blowing Western set mystery thriller in which you play a hard-nosed rancher who discovers this large metaphysical black hole on his property.
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I've heard you mention a natural draw to the absurd, to the weird.
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What is it that sold you on the story of Royal Abbott? I mean, exactly that.
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Anything that kind of hybrids something that I'm interested in with which would be Westerns, but then if I go back to when I was a kid and I, you know, got exposed to literature reading for the first time, you know, I grew up on a ranch and then I remember reading Ray Bradbury's books or Isaac Asimov's books, which really contrasted my reality.
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And it was all interesting to me.
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I always loved that kind of uh [ __ ] with the alchemy.
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So, this was a great opportunity to be able to mesh something that was instigated in my childhood in a really, really positive, amazing way.
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And then what you get is this kind of behavioral chaos of humans dealing with something that's outside of themselves or what they consider unknown.
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Dawson's cedar I'm already getting weird.
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I hear my friend Liz laughing already and nothing's even happened yet. She knows.
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She knows She knows a lot more than I do.
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So, recently you released The Art and Soul of Dune, a book that pairs your writing along with photos from Dune's director of photography, Greg Fraser, who by the way, shout out, recently won an Academy Award here at the Oscars. Yes.
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What are the conversations like between actors and cinematographers on set?
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Like, how does blocking or lens choice help inform your approach to a scene?
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It's really amazing to be able to work with people who are very good, skilled, and experienced at what they do.
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It's actually really fun because the switch happens almost instantaneously where you can be [ __ ] around with somebody and then all of a sudden you're like, "Look, the light's hitting there.
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I know that you perceived a scene in a certain way and yet I come in with my own ideas and how we can collaborate, which can be it can be the most awful experience if you're collaborating with people who want to are just interested in putting their kind of power stamp on it.
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But people like Greg, people like Deni, actors like Javier, actors like Rebecca Ferguson, it's a very kind of loose, very humble place.
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Let's eat another [ __ ] thing.
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I don't care about cinematographers right now, man. What are we doing? This is like cocaine. I feel weird.
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Right in this weird room together, right?
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know what cocaine feels like, but yeah, let's just go with it.
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All right, SO THIS NEXT ONE ANYWAY.
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ON THAT NOTE, THIS next one is the Calabria. Oh. Pure uncut Calabria.
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Yeah, that's that's beautifully put.
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Thank you for running with that.
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Do you know when you eat beets and you go to the bathroom and you think something's gone wrong? Mhm.
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And you look in the toilet and you think you might have to call 911? Yeah.
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What happens to you when you go to the bathroom after you eat beets?
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So for me, I think the biology has more or less adjusted at this point, you know, to where I can kind of go through life without much of a problem.
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For you tomorrow though Yes.
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chapters on like anything can happen.
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If I film it, will you cut it into the show? Sure, yeah.
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It could be the bonus scene, you know.
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Close out season 17 with a bang.
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Is it true that you blew the audition for The Fly II by over committing to the metamorphosis prop? you know this? That's cool. That's bitching.
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I like when that happens. Yes.
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to the metamorphosis, right there on the ground, foaming from the mouth.
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It was It was the fly, too.
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And I went in there, man, and I totally committed.
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And I did this for like 22 years with pretty much every audition I ever did.
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But I I was on the ground, and I was frothing at the mouth because he's in a chrysalis. He's in a cocoon.
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Like what happens to one that's human that's not used to something like morphing from one thing to another, one would imagine that it would be a painful process, would one not?
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And then you finish the audition, which is always the most uncomfortable part, where they all look at you, and there's a pause, and they go, "Thanks for coming in. Thank you. That was wonderful. Thank you."
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And I go, "Oh, is there anything else you want me to do?
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Or is I can do it with you know, if it That That wasn't appropriate, there's another way we can deal with it." And they go, "No. That was fine. That was great."
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And then I left, and I got back to my place, and there was already a message from my agent, and I called the agent back, and he said, "What the [ __ ] did you do in there?" Literally verbatim.
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And I said, "Did I get it?" And he's like, "Oh, no."
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Like, they'll probably never see you again.
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I was like, "Well, I still don't understand."
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To this day, I was like, "Don't you want somebody who commits anywhere?"
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I didn't I didn't do that part. I didn't do that part. Yeah, this is hotter. I I feel that one, man. We're climbing. So, that's number four? Number four.
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If I itch my ears, my ears going to hurt later? Yeah, you know what?
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Actually, that's a good question because there is some sort of like, you know, cross-pollination that goes on.
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But what you really have to look out for is your eyes, you know? Don't rub your eyes. Don't rub your eyes. There That's a Wow. The ingenuity here.
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It's what you get when you're dealing with really smart people.
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So, in addition to starring Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps, I know that you worked for years as a real-life day trader specializing in pullbacks.
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Off the top of your head and without thinking about it too much, what do you think is the greatest stock market movie of all time? Oh, Wall Street. I mean, of course, man.
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I mean, that's What others are there?
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I mean, there are there are a bunch.
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Street, you have Wolf of Wall Street is a great movie.
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I mean, I knew I knew Jell- Jordan Belfort for a while and and I still I talk to him once every couple of years now, but I mean, that's an incredible story, man.
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That's an incredible story, but that's not if that's about stocks, but it's not about stocks.
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Wall Street is about trading and the behavior around trading, whereas Wolf of Wall Street is just about absolute, you know, unadulterated greed, which is kind of amazing in itself.
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Uh I thought that was a phenomenal movie.
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There was one point where I thought I was going to be in a version of that movie, but I think Kyle Chandler ended up doing what we had talked about and I thought he was excellent excellent amazing.
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Yeah, I don't feel like so anything biologically has changed yet. Do you know what I mean? I'm not sweating.
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I'm not not doing like a Matt Damon where I look like I'm going to fall off my chair. Uh Los Calientes? Mhm. What are they?
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Uh yeah, that's really good, man.
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So far, I feel like we're five for five.
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Five for five, I'm stoked.
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I thought I was going to have to eat bread before just so I didn't [ __ ] my I mean, so I didn't throw up. Same thing.
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But I feel good right now.
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The whole milk thing is not really becoming an issue. Even water. You're crushing it. Yeah. Drink strong. This is really fun. I mean, I I love this. This is great. Yeah. I'm getting to you. It's cool.
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All right, Josh, we have a recurring segment on show called Explain that Graham where we do a deep dive on our guest's Instagram, pull interesting pictures that need more context.
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So, we'll pull the picture up over here on the monitor and then you just tell us the bigger story. Okay.
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Can you pull back the curtain on the movie magic that's going on in the makeup chair here? Is that from Deadpool 2? Yeah.
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So, the whole So, I've had that done a few times and when you have that done, they put it on you and it slowly, obviously, slowly solidifies, right?
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And as it slowly solidifies because it's around everything and they've created holes in your nose.
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Other than the holes in your nose, everything starts to muffle.
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So, you lose the pores start popping and you start to lose all sense of sounds or obviously sight and all that kind of stuff.
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So, the sight thing is one thing and then when you start losing sound, it starts to become a little freaky and some people can't do this.
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But, I have to I've learned that I have to have a pad.
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And then what I wrote on that pad at some point during that process was mild panic.
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And then they get really close to your ear and they're like, "It's okay, dude. You're doing great.
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We only have this long left."
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And then they sit there and they basically hold your hand through the process because you have no sense of anything.
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There's no sense of space, vicinity, proximity, sounds, anything. You lose it all.
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It's a wonderful experiment, but it's can be terrifying.
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Why would one want to do that?
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But, you know, when you're doing Deadpool 2, you're excited at that point.
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You really don't know what you're getting into.
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So, you're like, "Okay, [ __ ] it. I'll do it."
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Well, speaking of doing things that make you ask yourself, why would anyone do that?
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Are you ready to move on Yes. to the back half? Yeah.
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So, this is the uh Queen Majesty Coco Ghost. Coco Ghost.
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Do you think I curse too much? No. Okay. You're such a clean guy. What does that mean?
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You just feel very clean to me.
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You just feel like you just showered or you just groomed.
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Well, that maybe that's just like the ball sweat. Me.
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Just It's a solo mission. I'm just joking.
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Where's your It's a solo mission? Shout out to Susan.
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Dude, I love that you just said that it's a solo mission. This is me, man. Yeah.
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I've never felt as clean as you look.
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What's special to you about the GeVa Theatre Center in Rochester?
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It seems like that town the greatest questions I've ever been asked. Like seriously.
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Like I'm I'm blown away by I don't know who was working for you, but [ __ ] don't fire him.
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Um GeVa Theatre was run by Howard Melman, but there was a classic portion and then a new plays portion of that year that Anthony Zerbe ran.
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And Anthony Zerbe is an integral part of my life, somebody who I met doing a western show called The Young Riders.
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Amazing Shakespearean actor, an amazing friend, my officiant my wedding.
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But it was an incredible four years of my life where I did I would do two plays in rotating rep and sometimes do a classic piece.
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Um but I was always doing two plays at once.
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So that was kind of a confu what would seem to be confusing, but I was actually a really um great skill to be able to pop in and out of something or do one thing in the afternoon and then go do a completely different character at night.
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And I worked some amazing actors and and uh yeah.
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So it was a great experience and I think if there's any kind of modicum of a perception of me being a character actor, I think that's kind of where it was revealed through Anthony Zerbe, you know? Yeah.
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You just brought us back something that was really cool to me, so I'm sorry. Let's fire it up, man. Yeah, man. This is interesting. Mhm.
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I'm starting to I'm starting to feel like there's something wrong with me.
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Because you're just felt that way, but now particularly Cuz you're just running through these hot sauces.
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Just crushing these hot sauces.
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It's not that I'm crushing them.
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That's not how I would put it, but I would I would say that there's nothing Oh, there there you go. There's a little moment.
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There's nothing that has worried me. Oh, that's real. That's good, actually. That's super good.
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And what was that little It kind of takes you got behind my eyes. Mhm. All right. Yeah, that's real, man.
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I'm fascinated by your stories about working with the Coen brothers.
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For example, you know, sending off audio voices that you're doing for Hail Caesar and then getting feedback like, "The P's sound really good, but the H's aren't great.
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So, maybe work on the H's."
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When you think of all the enigmatic notes that they've given you over the years, is there one that stands out as the most quintessentially Coen brothers?
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Um when we were doing No Country, you know, everything was pretty much drawn and you kind of knew what you were doing and there it was it was not dialogue heavy, so there wasn't a lot of a lot of stuff to experiment with and change.
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But I know when I got the the satchel and I opened it up, I said, "Don't you think he should he should say something?"
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He looks at the dead guy and then he looks around and and you know, you can tell he's thinking about, "What is this?
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What do I want to do with this?
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And shouldn't there be like a little something there?"
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And and and and and Joel goes, "Well, like what?"
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And I said, "I don't know. Like a huh? Or like a hmm?"
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And they go, "Is there anything else?" And I go, like like mhm?
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And they go, "What else?"
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And then now you're thinking, "They're [ __ ] with me, right?"
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So, I went through about six of them and they go and Ethan said, "Try the second one."
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So, I did the second one, mhm. Whatever's in there.
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And then every time we screen the movie, once the movie was finished, I always knew where Ethan was in the theater because every time that moment happened, he would burst out laughing.
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So, was it a joke or did it help the movie in the scene? We'll never know. We'll never know.
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Any kind of film that they've come out with and they've manifested that's good is an accident. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Just a coincidence that every time every time they make one.
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Not because of skill or anything. All right. All right, man. It's happening, bro. It is. It is. It's actually Finally. Finally. At long last. Yeah. And just in time. My ears are ringing. It's not not okay.
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For the next wing, which is the bomb beyond insanity.
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The bomb beyond insanity.
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My teeth are reacting right now. Yeah.
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But just crushing that wing. Mhm.
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This is a great example of how I've dealt with my life and why I am the way I am. Committing.
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Yeah, but it's it's stupidity. It's a lot of fun. Incredible.
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Has anybody ever thrown up? No. No? We're in the clear.
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Why do you think you might be breaking new ground? I don't I don't know. Maybe.
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Have you Have you ever Not on set.
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I've seen you do this cuz I watch your show. Hot Ones, yeah. Oh, wow.
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So, why did you drink the milk?
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What's the difference between the milk and Oh, god damn, that's hot, dude.
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So, the milk That's [ __ ] gnarly. Yeah. Crazy hot sauce.
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The milk could serve a temporary relief, but I don't think like anything helps.
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Like, we're just in the soup now.
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I don't want to talk to you anymore.
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No, I don't That's gnarly.
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I mean, that's like hot hot. Yeah.
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Hot as [ __ ] Dude, my fangs are starting to run and bleed. It's crazy. Mhm.
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Is that really the I don't know what to do with myself. I know.
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I understand you said I understand the struggle, yeah. Wow, man. Stretch it out. Do you still love me? I still love you. I love you even more. I love you even more.
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I might ask you to spoon me in a second. Whatever you need.
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Whatever you need to get through it.
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Whatever It's when you breathe, it it's harder. reactivates, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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What did you learn sneaking out to go to the punk rock club Godzilla's as a teenager?
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Like, what do you think you learned about yourself?
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I don't know how you know this, man. You're freaking me out.
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Careful, careful, careful, careful. okay. Okay. Don't manipulate me.
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Going down to Godzilla's, just as Black Flag and Circle Jerks and Dead Kennedys, all those guys were starting to come in.
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What is the It would be like the equivalent of CBGB's back in the day.
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And it was just crazy, man.
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You just see I mean, it was like it was performance art.
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And again, like reading Ray Ray Bradbury and Isaac Asimov back in the day when I was a kid, that was like the next level and next milestone of that.
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I was like, this is this is a totally different existence and one that I understand a lot better than the one that's in front of me. Yeah, man. Nailed the dismount. Thank you.
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Are you ready to move on to the next wing?
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This is the PuckerButt Pepper Company. PuckerButt, seriously? Yeah.
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Or did you just make that up? No. Oh, that's bitching. That's cool.
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The pup- PuckerButt Pepper Company. [ __ ] yeah, it is. Okay, here we go. Ready? I'm ready.
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Man, going in on those wings.
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Well, dude, if you're going to do it, I love that. do it. I love that. Wow, man. We're almost there. We are almost there. It's all good.
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You know when somebody says it's all good that there's no way Yeah, I know what he says. Panic time. It is panic time. No, it's all good, man. Okay.
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Can you speak to obsessively baking pies on the set of Labor Day?
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Your your co-star, Kate Winslet, she has a quote where she'd say, "He'd give pies to everyone.
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It really was exciting at first, but later on you'd see a pie and go running."
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What's the key to getting that like flaky crust?
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Oh, there was something about how you indent.
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I remember I was taught how to indent the crust and how it would cook, but I also there was something about my oven wasn't working like other ovens or it was an older house.
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And and it and it actually worked because it was a slower cook and it created a harder crust than usual.
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So, I I made an even better pie by accident than I probably would have made had I had the proper oven. God, I talk a lot, man. It's crazy. You had that oven. You had that magic oven. I did.
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What's your favorite show?
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Oh, like of all time or like right now? I would say both.
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I said it's two separate moments, but what's your favorite show of all time?
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Where I was in my life and the the stretch that it gave to me, maybe South Park. Oh, wow. Yeah.
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And then Without thinking about it too much, currently I would say Succession. Oh, really?
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It's kind of the thing that I'm I'm locked into or you know, anticipating that Sunday, you know.
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My wife got me into Succession. It's very, very good. What about you? Favorite all time? That's tough, right?
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It is under these circumstances. Laverne & Shirley. There we go. Let's go for this. Happy days. To Laverne & Shirley. To Happy Days. & Shirley.
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When Fonzie was in the air and you didn't know whether he was going to make the jump. Let's see if we make it.
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I actually kind of saturated that. Yeah.
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Well, this is a commitment here.
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Like the fly to audition, but in the double dip.
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Chicken talk show format. Wow. Yeah. No, no, no, no.
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It's sometimes it's like I do this anyway where you just swallowed the wrong way, but if you swallow hot sauce the wrong way, it just it's not But I stopped it.
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Different ball game altogether.
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You know, there's a time we had Colin Farrell in here earlier this season.
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And I had like right inhaled and like I feel like just it was just like a straight pepper, like just a straight thing. Right to the throat. Yeah. Yeah. And just couldn't talk. that.
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I don't know if it the moment with him, but I saw you have a moment where you couldn't talk very well.
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Oh, with uh Jon Bernthal?
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Maybe that Yeah, that's who it was. I choked.
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I legit choked on the wing.
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Yeah, like Oh, you actually choked on the chicken?
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Like a little piece of chicken.
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a chocolate, you choke your chicken? You know.
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But literally on that episode, I took like a deep breath in and I've never had that before when like like vacuum sealed into the windpipe.
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And then I'm doing it in the bizarre context of this show. Yeah.
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And then I thought I was just going to die on my show. Yeah, yeah. But you know what? Made it through.
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You should be very proud of I mean the show and like I said the reaction of so many people when I when I bring up your show is is is a massive.
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Like it's not like a Oh, yeah, I've seen I love that show.
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It's like no [ __ ] way you're going to be on that show.
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It's like a major reaction.
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But was there a moment when you were choking on your chicken that you felt I can't die on Hot Ones? You know what?
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That's my I have to say even though I'm not saying it's not it's not meant to insult your show at all.
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No, no, but I know what you're saying, right?
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Because it goes one of two ways. You know what I mean?
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Where maybe it's almost like, oh, well, this is me dying on my shield. You know what I mean?
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Like if I go down, a chicken wing talk show host goes down choking on a wing. Yeah, it's kind of cool.
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It's kind of cool, right? of cool.
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It's kind of like legend. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
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Like I think that's how like the legacy kind of lives on.
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or you did it on purpose.
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Right, and then they can ever they can ever wonder that.
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beyond this was kind of going to be not as kind of, you know, grab public attention like this one did.
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I'd never have to face that reality because All right, man. at the peak.
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I just went down in flames and there it is. Like the armpit lick. Relived here.
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Josh Brolin taking on every single sauce and lick.
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That's how I think you put an exclamation point on season 17.
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And look at you taking on the winds of death, living to tell the tale.
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And now there's nothing left to do but roll out the red carpet for you.
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This camera, this camera, this camera, let the people know what you have going on in your life.
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What I have going on in my life, what I have going on right now is total chaos and insanity inside my mouth.
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I mean, I Isn't that the point?
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Um I have Out of Range where I lick the palate of absurdity.
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Out of Range we have coming out April 15th, and I'm very proud of it.
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It was a lot of hard work.
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It was in horrible elements.
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When you go through that, you want it The result you want to be good, and I think we come up We came up with something very interesting and original.
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So, I hope you guys ENJOY IT.
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THAT WAS SO MUCH FUN, DUDE. THAT WAS SO much fun. just saying that.
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I don't ever want to do nighttime talk shows again.
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This is like This is what I've been talking about.
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Like, do we have to break an egg on my head?
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Like, I don't understand what that has to do with the movie.
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No, we have No, you have to do scorching hot chicken wings. That's cool. That's cool. Thank you, brother.
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