this is what's really interesting for me John is just listening to the growth one song at a time but then just being completely blown away by the jump on this album cuz when you do it one single at a time and I feel like you've always got hi by the way [Music] hello I was thinking on on my way in to
talk to you today every song is kind of an exercise in reaching more people but on this album you get to provide people with a different depth it's not just about how many people it's who the person is like this may not be the biggest song on your record but people are going to it's going to be their
favorite song exactly and then I mean when I think of all my favorite albums in the past it's never the one like the song that's like on the top five on their you know it's it's not it's always you know the track that kind of resonated with me most as a listener and it was cool to actually be able to do a
full you know body of work where it's not just the big Festival hit to do that yeah it's you know it's taken like eight years of releasing singles and um has it been eight years man yeah so it's been a grind I'm so glad you pointed that out because I think that it's really easy
for people to see the kind of success someone like you as having in particular in dance music where it moves fast and assume that you moved fast but we kind of set the road map for that in the last conversation that you went through a lot of challenges to get to this place but what an amazing place to arrive
congratulations on this Al thank you man thank you it's definitely the most amount of work I put in something and yeah it's taken this long to actually get confident enough to put out music that might not reach the masses and might not be a huge hit but um I don't know it just this felt really like the
right time and it took a while to really learn how to make more than just underground you know house music yeah and uh and you're right to to bring up the idea of confidence too cuz I don't think the success and confidence are mutually like relatable to each other you know in fact if anything that having
quick success to some people or reaching people and playing lots of shows to lots of people it sets an unrealistic metric like a bar that you're trying to reach every time you almost have to detach yourself from that and commit to the art in order to go past that otherwise
you're never going to be able to surpass it right exactly I mean this is to write this album I had to take my first month off since touring since 20120 scary it was scary and then you know I took it all I spent all of uh November in London to write this album and uh I know you
might be a little biased with that but I think it really is the best and it's where all like my influences come from too so yeah you already know how I feel it's been nearly 18 years out there and I can hear it too because you know you're moving in such a genre fluid way here um you're not just sticking to this
thing that you do very well which is this very this very very well produced four on the floor big room smashes like exact there are real nuances here the song was Sub Focus is out of control it's so cool that's like one of my favorite ones I've ever done because we
wanted to truly we you know show our own styles on one record and you know write the you know write the original song idea together but we're like how can we actually produce this too so be able to combine the two it's a pure collaboration did you go up to a spot in toyard is he still up in to yard to do
that exactly my studio was next door to his for about two years oh no way yeah it was really hard for me to record vocals cuz all you would hear next door is just as soundproof of those as soundproof as those studios are they are no match for Sub Focus and subbase you know what I mean yeah yeah that's funny
cuz there music's like that but he's like the most like you know quiet reserved dude himself he's an English gentleman exactly he's an English gentleman that makes disgusting records I love that it's a wicked contrast so listen when did you um when did you actually complete this this body of work
when when did you call time on it close the loop on it and know it was finished so did most of the songwriting and stuff in November and when I finished it was two days in Coachella before Cella that is basic crazy what are you doing you're about to play two of your biggest shows
your career 2 at Kella back to back in a Solo and you and you're finishing your album oh yeah cuz I couldn't even work on the sets until once the album was done and it pretty much was done when you know managers telling me you got to turn this in cuz it's it's never actually done yeah you can't finish it
and think I'm just changing the mix I'm like on version 30 of one track and I keep sending it to people like can you tell the difference can you tell the difference and they're all kind of being nice John you're getting LED behind you because because there's a room of incredibly creative people in the room
behind us right now they like creative as their life and they first of all they're laughing at the idea of execution cuz that's the hardest thing in the entire world is someone's got tell you to do it right they tell you to finish but it's also the iterations are just no like they met never ending never
ending cuz there's always going to be one kid somewhere they'll notice that little sub mix difference and then like I mean I know I notic little every little detail but at the end of the day like I knew yeah it was time it was time and now listening back on it I'm like
I'm so proud of it you're listening to it you can still you can enjoy it oh yeah I listen to it all the time I listen to my music all the time too you know we're a minority right most artists can't do it they finish their music and they're just like oh yeah yeah a lot of lot of artists are just like it's too
much it's too close I'll leave it for everybody else I always felt bad for people I think why would you not love your own stuff no it's amazing to look like I I can't watch my own performances CU I might like cringe at myself or something jumping around or something I don't know but uh my own music though
yeah is that a bad thing not at all and but one of the things I love is the is the contrast between who you are as a performer and your natural personality which is this this desire to entertain people to make people have something they'll remember an event an experience they'll remember forever and you're
completely dedicated to that ashamedly committed to that Prospect but this album is deep and so was it important to you that it showed aside to you that perhaps um people get that gets lost in the headiness of a John Summit live show I mean Big Time CU like the whole theme
of this is Duality and with the album we called comfort and Chaos you know I kind of have lived two lifestyles it's being at home in the studio by myself as comfortable as possible just me my laptop my headphones and then being on stage is the chaos it's the you know the John Summit Entertainer that everyone
sees John Shuster is my real name that is the side I kind of wanted to show I feel like this is John Schuster on this record yeah big time Big Time Yeah to come to that conclusion at this early stage in in your life and in your journey to know that you can split your identity up into two things and they can
be mutually inclusive of one another cuzz I always thought I was all one or nothing and then especially like in 2022 I was like the third highest like touring act in the world it was nuts I did like 220 shows that was like just John Summit all day every day and I kind of got swept up in that Madness
something in the party you know what the parties are like they're nuts cuz then I played the show and it was more than 220 shows CU then I did the Afterparty afterwards and this whole thing and the only way I could produce music was just on the road on Planes Trains like every
single day and I was just making music music for The Dance Force so then yeah to actually take time off and kind of tap into my personal self this is I mean it's far more rewarding too I'm so glad you did it on a personal level with someone who likes you and is a fan of your music but also having seen so many
of your contemporaries past and present not do that not switch off at that really important time it's it's tough I mean you have to make some sacrifices to make it happen well let me tell you something that I learned from my experience of watching DJs find an audience find a a a Tailwind m is that
the Tailwind can be very strong for all the Arts but it it it I I'm not seen I'm not sure I've seen a Tailwind as strong and as fast as the one that hits you when you're in the clubs and it's happening when you're headlining the festivals when a song is hitting when the opportunity for you to play six
shows a week seven shows a week and After parties it's a strong wind man and it's it's nuts it can really blow off course big time Big Time and I'm I mean I'm lucky that I have a team around me that I can tell them I want to take time off and they're super supportive because
you know it is leaving money on the table and it is you know like it kind of seems stupid to take time off to do this but I mean I feel like it's paid off let's talk about the money side of it though because I do think that that that's clearly one of the most attractive reasons to keep the wheels
turning at the speed they are your fees go up the offers go up that's the math everybody wants right exactly but at the end of the day like I you don't strike me as somebody who's that actually motivated by financial gain no so the only thing I ever want in life is like
Financial Independence because I mean I come from you know just a just normal middle class background and I you know work the accounting job and you know the reason why I took that job is just for Financial Security that's everyone you know like because then when I went and did this full time I was very broke
living in my parents basement that's how I produced like literally 300 records during 2020 M um so then you know I just want you know enough to live comfortable enough and then once I got that I mean I still don't own a car you know I live in my condo right now and I kind of have
everything I want in that aspect so now I just kind of fulfilling my art dreams right now yeah because it what like when is enough like that's the thing about Financial Security right like Okay so let's just do the quick math without getting into specifics right you're living in your condo and you haven't got
a car because life is just Lying by so you a got time like to settle down right keep going I got like a few plants and that's about it that's about it right right so but at some point you're going to have the opportunity to do that you're going to be able to stop slow down and do that and you're going to
have then you're going to take a step back and go okay this is this is how successful I've become in the last of five years and it's very successful and so at that point do you think you're going to have a better understanding probably impossible to know but just just just projection wise a better
understanding of of how you manage your own Ambitions in that moment because I've seen people like triple down on that they go way past that goal ages ago and then they can't slow down they can't slow down I I'm trying to get you can you can get addicted to success and I
know like a lot of people and I don't want to name names but they just keep adding business after business or do Venture and they just keep expanding and kind of losing a vision and um especially when it comes to artists my favorite artist I have a clear vision of what they're trying to do and clear
growth um cuz I could just do everything and I have offers to do everything but I did have to like sit back and figure out where I actually want to go in life what I want to be able to look back on because I do want to slow down one day I do want to have like family and stuff I
want to be a normal person yeah and there's a lot of DJs that you know have been not just DJs just rock stars in general you know just yeah sacrifice that well well one of the ventes that you have committed to which I think is really great as experts only and I think what's R about that is whilst it affords
you an opportunity to create memorable experiences for yourself and others it's also there is an element of investing in the future through that model too which I really admire so it's not just a smash and grab you're like no no no no no it's build something with this oh yeah big
time I mean I haven't even made a dollar on it yet um but we've done these like huge events and uh it's all about kind of signing you know working with new artists and putting them on because I had zero music indust connections when I started and so what I did is just make music in my room all day every day and
just send out on Soundcloud labels DM them uh send out emails and then you know took me a thousand NOS before I got my first yes what was the break what was the moment the moment was defected in 2020 when I signed deep in yeah um because I sent them probably 60 demos like 60 days in a row getting said no
every time and then I sent deepend at like 11:00 at night after I finished it in ch uh in uh in Chicago and then they responded like an hour later saying like let's get on a zoom call now because of course they're UK time so that was Ming them which is very intense and they're
like we want to sign this we want to put this out next week it's huge and so my life just like changed overnight like and isn't that amazingly encouraging to think that through 59 or 60 NOS where you probably feel like you're just going through some kind of default automated response process that someone was
listening to those songs and the right one was all it was going to take it's it's nut I got to give them so much credit though cuz their anr was giving me feedback and saying why they were saying no so it wasn't just a blind no great great so building a relationship exactly exactly and then that's what
inspired their huge inspiration for experts only because then I did their party in Croatia where it was fans of all ages all backgrounds like but then everyone was there just together for the music and like everyone loved artists but weren't there for one specific
artist yeah yeah it was culture it was a community it was a real it was defected exactly and like I am aware you know a lot of people do come to see me and I'm like a big name now but I do want expt only one day toble to have events without even me playing it that's a beautiful goal man because that's
probably the closest thing you'll get to being a fan of something you invested in oh yeah right I mean when you're doing it when you're helming it and you can be a fan of your own music but there's a certain responsibility that that comes with all of that that it's just you can't be free in that experience for you
to go to an experts only show that's why if you've seen the laa paloa documentary Perry faroh man when he when he launches Lola and he's like oh my God I just get to be a fan of something I'm invested in yes exactly it's the coolest thing ever because you got to see like the plant
you've grown it's awesome that's why I mean that's why it's kind of like listening back to your own music that same concept right yeah it very much is I want to talk about some of um the hardest stuff on this album because I love when you go dark and I think that it's one of the most I want to stand
appreciated because know a lot of people love your heavy sets and love what you do when you go heavy um but I think people are most people are responsive to the bigger songs and then I hear a song like eat the B and I'm like you really know what you're doing yes you tell us the story about making that and
and just why that ended up making the cut because there's so many big songs on this but I love that you save space on song number five to just go dark and heavy and low exactly so that one is just a true call back to my underground self where that's where I got my start was you know playing Spy Bar in Chicago
doing all the like Warehouse raves in Chicago and it wouldn't be a John Summit album if I didn't have like a true techos track that's you know after doing these big record it's kind of going back to the club and then that's where and then I do resonate after that too which
is like a big like techno record with Cascade that actually starts off quite emotional yeah it just didn't feel me without having a record like that and that's that's where you know John sum started from where it came from it came from that underground space I mean I just came from I just did Toronto last
weekend uh did this like Budweiser stage there if you know that at all this big um you know outdoor shed but then I added a last minute after Party play at this club called Kota that's 400 people don't make any money on it it's just for the love of it yeah just for fun and you
just and you went hard oh yeah and I played it eat the base of course there and it went off always you know you go back to back man after not long after that with Cascade and elderbrook right you know you've gone big Topline Riders who really de deal primarily in the emotional side of the big room um
they're looking for people to go internally not just externally when they make their music um what what did you learn from working with say Cascade who to me you know have some miles on the road and and uh you know one of the greatest of doing that so he's been a huge huge inspiration of Mine He's a
Chicago guy himself so connected to that he's actually the reason I got connected with Halo as well who uh has a huge presence on the album too but um yeah I mean one of my favorite dance record of all time is I remember him him in Dead Mouse and I I got the honor of remixing
it last year which is so sweet and then after that me and Ryan kesc are like we have to write a record together but how do we combine our styles he's very emotional like big big top lines um you know I am too but then you know we were talking about what we like production wise lately he's like you know I've been
on a big techno kick lately like say less I am so in so I think that song is the perfect balance of you know comfort in the beginning and then just absolute Chaos on the drop so what do you see in the crowd when you play a song like that or something that I think is is more immersive than say something that's
heavier and darker and I know you're monitoring focusing on how the room is moving all DJs have to right it's a nuanced experience from a DJ point of view a macro experience from a crowd point of view in a lot of ways and I think that you know when you play a song like that like what is the emotion that
you that you recognize how does it shift the roam when it when it goes big like that it's cool because it starts off you know emotional there's no like the hats kind of dip out there's no kick there's no bass um and then you kind of see people really taking the moment have
their eyes closed uh you know people online might be like why aren't people dancing it's cuz they're actually taking in the emotions you know you have to see it live and then it kind of gets as hectic as possible after there's a big snare build up and then you kind of don't know where it's going to go
there's a silence and then the Techno kicks in and that's when you can see like all the people are a little confused what was going on get right back into it so yeah and and in a way you can you can kind of design the architecture in the studio emotionally for that but you're never going to know
right you never know until you until you see how reacts with an audience exactly and that's why it's so important for me to always be touring because I mean you know trally artists will write an album you know then you know then tour it where I had to kind of do both at once at least you know I did take a lot of
time off to do a lot of the songwriting but it took me six months to actually finish it because I Road tested that track for so long yeah the iterations I want to spend some time right now talking about songwriting I know it's very very important to you that this is considered an album a collection of
songs that the tempo in the genre divide the production the dancefulloutmn like tears for example the second track on the album that's with Paige Cavell who Absolut outstanding singer I think you can hear the raw emotion of her voice and the reason why you can is because she's going through so much
heartbreak at the time yeah yeah yeah and you can feel that too and then she and you know I was talking with her then you know cuz I experienced crazy crazy highs and lows being on the road and that's kind of the whole theme of the album too songwriting wise yeah so kind
of channeling that because it starts very melodramatic and introspective and then ends up very confident full so which is really kind of my life in a nutshell right now yeah and then uh writing with uh veny for example who's absolutely incredible she's out of the UK that's the end of the album P my
hands it ends with so much self-confidence you know because you know that's being a touring act herself like you know that's kind of figuring that all out being solo she's single or single on a mission it's just uh it's cool to be out it's cool to express myself outside of just production oh
yeah I can hear that that's that's very clear to anyone who press play on this album is that it's not a collection of of tracks with some toplines or demos and it's like oh cool that works and there's nothing wrong with that great great art can come from that on some great producers who do that but I can
tell your words are in here I can tell you were in the room you were writing you were really carving it up there a there a continuity throughout exactly exactly I mean yeah because I was a sample-based producer all the way up until 2021 where my first dive into songwriting really was with what a life
with Stevie appeton um I'm gonna have him perform live with me at ason Square Garden he's he's incredible uh but yeah so then once I started doing that and it was just so nerve-wracking because a lot of artists in my Lane don't do that and then I'm like oh are people going to
think this is cheesy or it's lame right uh cuz you're just full of self-doubt but then once you realize like it doesn't matter if you know I don't know put yourself out there see what happens has that been one of the best things about this whole experience is kind of B on understanding the lack of power
self-doubt has over your life and replacing it with confidence it's insane and that's something I battle every single day in every aspect of my life uh where it's funny I'm most confident when I'm on stage which is like the opposite I think of a normal person and then like a normal normal like day-to-day
interaction is where I at least stand but the confidence I've been get getting on stage and through writing music and releasing music um has given me more confidence in the rest of my life too which is cool man I'm really enjoying our conversations and getting to know you over time I really am and I you know
it's it's rare to get someone who's as open about life coming from with inside the club as you you know a lot of times it's like I'm moving too fast to to reflect and I feel like reflection is quite a big part of of your process of growth like these are reflective songs I
I think it's also because of the background I am from like Chicago is like none of my friends are in music industry none of them like they all work you know normal jobs and they're the most incredibly grounded people I've ever met in my life yeah just spending time with them has made me like reflect
yeah cuz otherwise you can get swept up in the manness big time what's it like when they come to the shows oh they think it's the coolest thing in the world of course they do of course they do can we open this is like you can open all of it yeah literally it's like
even the smallest things like just having like a free tequila on a rider they're like like do I have to pay for this I'm like no like just and more often than not it just sits here at the end of the night please finish it um all right ma' with that being said the reason why I wanted to to give you that
that that observation is because you know you said something before that already stuck with me which was you go through crazy highs and crazy lows on the road MH and um I kind of wanted to to sort of give you an opportunity at this point given that you've you've you've gifted us with this very
vulnerable album to sort of give give people some insight as far as you're willing to into into what the reality is for you doing that many shows trying to find a way to stay connected to Family I'm just making a laundry list of what I've EXP experience and seeing other people go through you know the balance
is hard it's it's very hard cuz then I mean just the adrenaline us like the natural endorphins you get on stage you know being front of thousands thousand people I love you I love you I love you but what does that actually mean because then I just get off stage I get in my
transpo I get home in my hotel room by myself and like yeah like I do read like comments and stuff at show and some comments are so incredibly genuine and it it does really hit home for me and doing things for the fans is truly what makes me happy yeah but yeah man it's tough yeah well I mean by the
way you get back in there transport you're dripping and swe you're exhausted your ears are still ringing no matter how much you protect them because the frequencies will find a way in temporar and I'm really bad at protecting my ears I got to get better at it yeah well this is where you know your older friend's
going to get in your ear now um you know someone who has some you know permanent hearing damage from from some pretty serious kind of volume issues and lifestyle issues in the beginning of my DJ career and I'll take of you know to many late nights on the J all that kind
of just really bad for for your neurology and um you know and for and for your senses and so you know I I I got away you know I got out of it and I'm and I'm and I can function but yeah man I mean that's your life dude your ears are your life we need you start taking care of yourself cuz I'm 29 now
I'm turned 30 this year I kind of always thought once I turn 30 I should probably start taking care of myself around that time around around the time when I realized that actually my youth wasn't going to last forever and that life could actually be a long time and what I didn't want is I didn't want to do
something so so damaging that I was then going to have more than half my life living with that so you had a realization around this time that to stop living life day by day kind of cuz that's kind of when that's what actually Propel me to write an album is that if you write an amazing album I've always
wanted to do one but then you can kind of take time and let it breathe yeah because when you writing singles every single month it's like I'm literally just living you got promote it exactly you got to feed it literally and just it's on your on the hamster wheel and but this album now will be this will
feed people for a long time for the rest of their lives and people will Discover it because it's just there's infinite discoverability with more music out there attached to one concer for sure and I think that look every everyone's going to do it in their own time frame and you definitely strike me despite the
fact that you live quite a Crazy Life in terms of movement and energy and friction and just noise and just excitement that you obviously have your head screwed on you know you got you're a solid well- raised human but yeah I think I think when you get to that point when you actually
start to prioritize balance because you want this to do this for 50 years not 15 exactly that's when that's when the change happens and I want to do not just stuff outside of just DJing like like a long-term long-term goals like scoring a movie and stuff like that hard to do when your hearing's gone exactly you
know it's like I like it but it's a little too toppy it's like yeah I lost a lot of my tops about 10 years ago my high frequencies are burnt right yeah got a avoid that it's beautiful that you've got those Ambitions to move further and deeper into music because for some people this kind of success is
enough they strive to try to play Madison Square Garden it's like where do I go from there um how do you attack and apply yourself to your goals because if you're having in the middle of being I mean you you yourself said it John I mean you were the third highest grossing touring act in the world that is an
enormous achievement for somebody like yourself oh no so that was the highest like amount of P like of just shows in general oh it doesn't really matter cuz by the way you're still getting paid in a ton of money so I would say probably not far off the fact okay that's fair right they just don't want
to tell you that exactly right so facts are otherwise it's not far off the Mark um you know you you're doing all of these incredible shows and like I said for some people that's enough how do you allow yourself to space to redefine your goals in real time um cuz I have a lot
of goals ambitious goals from just growing up as a kid of all what all my favorite like artists growing up have done so like who growing up Kanye was huge huge huge inspiration of M him Virgil for all like they've shown that and I mean Ty the Creator is doing a great job of it
right now that creativity can be outside of just releasing music and touring but that will always be like my basis of it all but you know I I want to go into fashion I want to go into movies and all that but I'm not going to do anything too quick cuz I'm only going to do it if I'm good at but just exploring in
different things you know what's interesting to me is in talking about like additional loves and passions that you have I noticed that you know your voice got a little quieted and you got a little more internal with that with that projection does that make sense yeah cuz
I mean I just I normally don't talk about these things out loud and stuff cuz I just it's all like in my head so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well I like I only want you to be comfortable but at the same time I got to I got to C out on that because man you know it's it's pretty clear from what you've
achieved already that you have the ability to manifest pretty powerfully when you put your mind to it oh I'm huge believer in manifestation I mean the the artist I work with for the album art Marcus Alvarado is Puerto Rican based artist is that he um really like the way I connected with him was on
Twitter and he always tweets about mindfulness and manifestation and all that along with his art it's a it's a striking piece of art uh on the cover of the album um he's obviously super gifted and I'm familiar with his work and uh you it also reminds me a little bit of like tool and that go deeper than just
what we see um that there's an interconnectivity between all things what do it feel like when you took a look at the out for the first time you seen it was so cool because I just sent him the whole album and I let him kind of do take what he takes from the album and kind of translate it to his own art
and then he sends me the initial sketch and normally always working with other artists stuff I give so much feedback but I was just like color this like this is incredible like and the color scheme is amazing so cool it's so fun and then I'm going to be able to use this art in
my show as visuals and make a visualizer out of it and uh he was able to really create a whole world from my music and that's cool that we'll be able to take that on tour and stuff too yeah the touring man I mean you're at a point now with an album now and artwork like that
where the it goes from just fitting into someone else's concept of what a room is or what a night is and it's like now you get to build it yourself every single time it's like creating your own world it's it's sweet and then um and I also love that it's all handdrawn and stuff too cuz you know a lot of artists are
getting replaced now Day by Ai and stuff I could talk forever about that look I mean my my feeling on that is pretty straightforward I mean look I know that the tools are going to become far more refined in a lot of cases very usable even for someone like yourself I mean efficienc I use it all the time I I
extract drums I extract like disco Loops I extract vocals yeah but it doesn't take away from the fact that you want to enjoy the process of creating the art and I think where it's not going to catch and I just maybe I'm being idealistic is the idea of somebody typing in John Summit type beat and then
and then it goes and it reaches a couple of million people and like I did it I just don't think we're built like that I think achievement isn't can cannot be qualified by ease no it's it's a tool at the end of day it's like when you went from vinyls to CJs like there were people like no like that's not
traditional DJ you can't do that yeah you it's like no this is a useful tool and we got to use it and it's like every update of CJs even like when sync happens and stuff it's like you can use it as a tool um even when people went you know from Studios to doing everything on a computer I do everything
on a laptop unless I'm recording vocals I'll go to studio for that but um so I'm embracing it and stuff my thing is just when artists get replaced by tools it it'll happen but just you can tell when things are generally human created which is cool I agree with that but isn't
there also and again I like I I'm not I'm not objecting to to to progression like I understand you you have to adapt we've got to adapt and and and I wouldn't be here at Apple I would still be some where I used to work if I was if I hadn't felt things were changing right so I'm all for change but at the same
time I don't know I'm I'm less defensive as I was maybe 6 months ago I think now I feel like not only can you tell when it's human but I also think you want to you wanted to work with the artist yeah you wanted to have something created that reflected the collaboration between
you and marus mhm it's like a genuine human connection you got a story it's the story to tell to your to your friends to me to each other if you just typed in marus Alvar type artwork yeah you wouldn't have felt the same way no so isn't it I think where I think where it pulls up in the liberal arts as when
it starts to actually um divorce the artist from the feeling I don't think it's going to catch I don't think it's ever going to replace the feeling that's a very good point yeah because you have to have a story to have feeling too you've got to know where it came from and what it means to you in order to
stand by it and to be proud of it and I just think if you could have typed in John Summit type Baseline John Summit type beat and marus Alvarado type artwork we wouldn't even be having a conversation right now exactly I mean it's no different than like our eras of the past when paintings got too
realistic and the realism ever happened then it went just full abstract afterwards right that if everything gets too perfect and too good then I feel music is going to go fully abstract flows away the magic is man and it will the tools will get better they'll get more refined they will be
used and there will be some times where things do feel like there's a replacement going course but for every replacement there's opportunity yeah yeah but know the funniest thing I leave it with this the funniest thing was I said to somebody else like you know oh um you know uh what's the point in in in
being efficient um with through AI in all of these areas and they were like oh will you get more time I said okay so what would you use your time for and they're like I don't know like just do things just learn something or do something I've always wanted to do like I don't know make music make art I was
like well you just took you just created efficiency to do the thing you got AI to replace what the are you talking about it really is wild man I just have all this time to make art but I killed art in the process um I'm so excited for for you man I I not just cuz the life you built for
yourself and your ability to be able to do what you love 24/7 if you have the energy for it but that you've made an album now which which and I know what it means to you to have achieved this mhm it's a it's really the best feeling in the world it feels like it's like life's work all put into one thing and it's not
going to be my only album cuz now that's what I mean you started something yeah I did think when I was finishing up cuz the last month I was like brutal brutal finishing it and I was like I'm never doing an album again like texting all my friends like I can't do this again but
then once it finished it and then I'm like so proud of it now I have this like huge inspiration endorphin rush St like I can't wait to get back and do it again yeah yeah well we can't wait as well man congratulations I mean anybody who's a fan is going to you've more than than gone above you know our expectations and
and I think you're going to turn a lot of new people onto a music as well just because of the depth of this and it's been really good to talk to you about it man I always enjoy talking with you bro yeah likewise your words mean a lot so thank you so much appreciate you John [Music]