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Damn, that's a hell of a That's a hell of a birthday party.
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I thought you might like that.
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I'd like it more if I was there. Where's the invitation? That's my bad, brother.
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Any excuse you make right now is this guy.
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There's no win for me here.
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I'm not going to make one. I didn't invite you. I made a mistake.
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I made a mist I regret not inviting you, but I don't have an excuse except I didn't do it.
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I enjoy the fact that you guys are making out in the kitchen.
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I want I feel bad for the kitchen stuff.
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I feel like we're just trying to whip up that pasta right now.
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You guys are getting heavy next to us. This is awkward.
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Well, you're just chilling, you know. Nobody was worried.
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What about that lettuce in your pocket?
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You just walking around with some lettuce in your pocket. Just pull it out.
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You know what's so funny is I was like, "Are we really keeping that?"
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So, everybody wanted to keep it.
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I'm like, "All right, I just think it's a little bizarre.
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I kept it out of my pocket a bit later.
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What are you a I was like I was I was like Zay Low might bring that up.
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Y'all serious you want to keep that in the video?" Nothing gets past me. What a banger.
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Jack smashed the out of that.
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I I The only downer here is where's the album?
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Like, you're just teasing us with hit after hit after hit right now. What's going on?
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On straight to the big questions, Jack, where's the album? It is a big question.
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You know, I ask myself this all the time. Where is the album?
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Um, it's in it's in process.
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You know, I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to transcend.
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You know, I want to do something I've never done.
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And I'm just slowly starting to accept that maybe it's going to take me longer than any of my past projects.
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If I wanted to be, you know, exceptional, like nothing I've ever done, maybe it'll take longer than things I have done.
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That's a beautiful and sage place to be.
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um to not be rushed by, you know, the uh disgruntled overexpectations of fans like myself.
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But I cannot wait to hear, you know, something in total and and to and to find out where you land in total. What about these Lucies?
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What about these songs that are coming out?
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Um are they going to add up to the bigger picture or will some of them stand on their own feet and not make it into the final cut, do you think? That's a good question. um to be determined.
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You know, I think it it depends a lot on how the album shakes out sonically and if if these songs feel like they should be part of it or not, but right now um right now they're standing on their own, too.
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We'll see what the bigger picture is.
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You and Doat, man, I mean, the chemistry is clear on video, but even before we saw the visuals, you know, we could hear it.
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Um you can really tell when someone shows up and wants to be a part of something and enjoys the process of collaborating with somebody.
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It's not just a trade for money and fans.
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So, I mean, what's the origin of your friendship with DOA?
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How has this relationship turned into something we're hearing on record?
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I mean, DOA and I both emerged at a similar time into music culture, I suppose.
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And so, that was right around the pandemic.
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So, we actually have a notorious AGI Live together.
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We we kind of became cool on the internet and then when the world opened back up, we would cross paths.
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But, I've been wanting to do a song with Dozer for four or five years. M.
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So, this is an important moment to me because I think she's super important and super talented.
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Just a very gifted individual. Incredibly talented.
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I'm really happy how much enthusiasm she put into the song, you know.
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What was the sort of the the the mechanics of getting her back into a studio in a creative space? It's about timing.
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It's like I sent her the song. We were talking one day.
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Um, I just was seeing what's up and she brought up a song she had and I was like, "It's funny cuz I have a song and I'd love you to hear it."
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And I sought it over to her and she was like, "What?"
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She immediately loved it and knocked it out.
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So, I think it's just timing about catching people at the right time, making them making them feel, you know, inspired.
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And I think you could tell by her verse and how long it is and how much how many lines there are, like Oh, yeah.
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She really went in like how many flow switches there are.
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like she she really wanted to put her foot into it. So, yeah.
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And she got into the spirit of the of the, you know, this kind of flirtatious relationship that you keep being able to find with collaborators and in situations, you know.
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Um, and she leaned into it.
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I mean, she's she obviously she obviously knows you well, man.
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She knows what's going to get what's going to make the song pop. Yeah. Yeah. She's very smart. She knows what to do.
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You and Angel, once again, you know, I'm a big fan of Angel Lopez as a producer.
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Take Heath uh is also involved in this in this music.
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Um, are you sort of I know you've got a very core crew.
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I've been in the studio when you'd be making music and you keep it tight.
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Um, but are you are you sort of experimenting with other people while you're sort of figuring out what shape this this album's going to take?
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Yeah, I mean there's there's a few key guys that I I stick with, but I think it's important to, you know, keep information and sounds coming from other places just just as a pallet cleanser.
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But it's really cool how this song happened because I was in Nashville.
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I had not been in the room with Tate Keith before.
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He sent me many beats, but we hadn't been in the room.
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And I was like, "Yo, why don't you come vibe with me, Angel, and Cole? I'm in Nashville."
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And he pulled up and we made it.
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We made this from scratch.
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They made this beat in front of me as I wrote.
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And that doesn't always happen.
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Sometimes people just send you beats and you write, but this all was created at once.
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Like they were making the beat and I had my lyrics written before it was finished and then we loaded it up and it came so natural as the best songs do.
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I mean, you instigated that because I think as an artist, you probably recognize what great artists do, which is it's just better together. It's better in the room.
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It's better when you get to vibe with each other.
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Look, the the technology makes it really easy for us now to collaborate and move with each other, communicate with each other, but it doesn't always make it the most meaningful experience. I agree.
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Yeah, there was a synergy and it was just cool that it was me and Tay's birthday, first day working, and now we got this song coming out.
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Like, it's just a great feeling.
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I totally agree with you.
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How's your spirit right now?
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I mean, obviously, you're in a creative headsp space. You look healthy.
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Um, I'm assuming that, you know, you're staying healthy and, uh, you know, you you're sticking to the to the framework you created for yourself to remain at your best. So, fill us in. What's going on?
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How are you uh how you living your life right now? I'm just happy, man. I can't lie.
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Like, I'm really just really happy.
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I mean, every time I get to have a conversation with somebody, that's kind of what I'm expressing.
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I feel like I'm right where I want to be uh as a person.
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And I mean, the last couple years of my life have been the happiest.
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And I just try to take notes on that. Yeah.
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What are what are the things going on?
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What are the decisions I'm making that are leading to this um this happiness that isn't fleeting?
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To be honest, I I feel I feel really good.
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So, I appreciate you asking that. Yeah.
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And and can we go a little further just to inspire people in these learnings?
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these learnings? I think you say something really interesting there which is you've been taking notes as you've been going along like what is contributing to this to this this balance and this happiness right rather than just assume it's there because I'm living my life right like no no no no it's still work to stay here I got to I
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got to acknowledge these moments and and what's happening so so what is contributing to your happiness do you think I'm thoughtful about you know the phone usage thoughtful about my time on the internet I mean anytime I am on the internet there's some voice in my head that is constantly like, "Okay, wrap this up soon." I think that goes a long
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I think that goes a long way. I'm a big reader. Reading.
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I start my day with reading, end my day with reading. I love to read.
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It's just meditative for me.
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So, um, yeah, I just It's a good question cuz like I said, I have been taking notes, but I just I just think I'm prioritizing my happiness, you know, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel good. You sound it, bro. Just us with DoAT.
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Um, man, it's a guest list at Horses, too.
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They do a great burger at horses and they do a very stiff margarita there.
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That was my first time there.
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I might have to make a return and be an actual patron. Yeah, it's great.
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I mean, it's it's it's like a local place for me.
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I don't would have been so easy.
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I don't really understand.
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I can't think of one thing you've invited me to that didn't have Apple Music on the fly. There he is. There he is. There he is. Happiness. He's back, baby. He's back. this guy.
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We can start the interview now if you want. What interview? Don't do interviews.
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You can start over if you want.
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I'm I'm in that room now.
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You brought it out of me. Jack Hollow's here. What a party, man. This is incredible.
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I wouldn't have wanted to go even if you had invited me. That guy. It is.
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People don't know you got that in you. Oh, bro.
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I invite myself to every wedding.
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Uh it's good to see you, man.
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Thanks for Thanks for stopping by.
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Always enjoy our quick catchups.
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Looking forward to getting a chance to dive into something a little more deeply hopefully, you know, when the album's ready. Take your time. Have a good day, bro. Stay happy. You too, brother. Thank you. [Music]