the majority of the way that you talk to yourself is the way your parents talk to you so if you don't first recognize that you're gonna have a really hard time understanding how to get out of whatever you're in now if you had great parents that were super patient and loving and kind and empathetic and didn't you know
jump at you but held firm boundaries and you know all that stuff there's chances chances are you have really good healthy self-talk and good on you me not so much [Music] hey everyone welcome back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world thanks to each and every one of
you that come back every week to listen learn and grow now i'm super grateful when we get to have a guest on twice there's not been many many people that have done that on on purpose we're great at finding a diversity guest but there are some people that just blow your mind you love them i know that the
community responds incredibly well to them and on top of all of that i love opportunity to get to sit down with them and talk about what they're up to what's been on their mind what they've been studying reflecting thinking about now today's guest is someone who came on a couple of years ago and blew our minds
his name and someone that you all know is called zachary levi one of the most versatile actors in hollywood with critically acclaimed roles in tv film and on broadway zack's career catapulted as the lead and fan favorite chuck in the hit nbc series and zach demonstrated his range as a tony award nominee for
best actor in a musical and she loves me his impressive vocals landed him a leading role in the disney academy award nominated best original song and the list goes on and on i recently saw him in american underdog which i absolutely loved shazam was the reason he was on last time but right now what zach's done
is that he has created and written his first ever book and today we're gonna get to dive into it we're gonna have it in the caption so you can order it right away you're gonna find it in the links i'm so excited to talk to my dear friend an awesome human being about his new book radical love learning to accept yourself and others
something we all need to do zach thank you so much for being on purpose it's so great to be with you so happy to be back so happy to see your face even if it's virtually like i said i really i want to hug your neck and see in person but this will do for now yeah thank you man no i appreciate you man
and i meant it like last time you came on there was just this beautiful energy in the room i remember you were like sweating buckets as well well it was warm you the studio was pretty well that studio was too it was our old studio we're in studio 3.0 now this is this is the new studio
that studio was not well ventilated zach was very passionate i didn't know how to stop him to offer him anything because he was so in tune and aligned and i was like i guess we just have to like sweat together anyway for you to write a book i mean you could have written many things you could have written in a full
autobiography you could have written about your experiences which you do of course in the book in a deep way but you chose to write a book that isn't your name that isn't you know how you view your career it's about life and you call it radical love can you explain to me what radical love looks like is because i think love is
one of the most underdefined misunderstood words in the world already and radical love is taking us in a different direction radical love what does that mean in some ways it's not a great title because i think it's a little redundant i think that love itself is radical when we are practicing actual
true deep empathetic love it is a radical concept in fact i think what most people would point to oh yeah it's like when i have warm feelings about someone or have warm feelings about myself i love myself if i have warm feelings about myself or about other people we've all been kind of
programmed with these very romanticized ideas of love and marriage and relationships i don't think that has anything really to do with the warm fuzzies i think that it is a recognition of the divinity the miracle that is another human being regardless of who that human being is to love who loves you is that's that's
patty cake that's babies that's you know child's play to love is to love those who hate you that you even have these feelings of disagreement or or anger with or whatever to love your enemy to pray for your persecutor that is love and that's the kind of love that's to me radical love again i say radical because
it's radical compared to what most other people's ideas of love is but really it's just love that's actually what love is it's being able to look at whoever is across the aisle of a different political spectrum different sex race faith country to country people group to people group we are so divided i mean
our the united states is a really sad example of how much division i mean we're just straight down the middle on on almost every you know hot topic we cannot look across the aisle and say i completely disagree with you i in fact i think that what you're standing for can be very problematic in this world
and yet i still love you i still think that the reason why you think the things that you think is not because you're evil it's not because you're somehow this broken bad person it's because you are a product of your environment in the same way that i am a product of my environment in order to
embrace and love myself i have to first accept that i am a product of the parenting that i received it's not my fault that i struggle with the things that i struggle with in order to forgive ourselves which we all need to do we have to recognize that we're doing the best that we can with the tools that have been afforded
to us at that point in our lives and that is the reality that is the truth so until we can come to that place as individuals with ourselves with other individuals or you know just in our own lives and then collectively as a people group we're just going to keep fighting and fighting and going over this this
horrible vicious cycle all the way to the bottom if we want a better future we need to be working on more than just saving the environment obviously we want to we want the world to survive but what good is a world to live in if we all hate each other in that future that is not a future that any of us want to be living in so
that to me is is kind of you know what radical love i think stands for it's rat to radically accept radically forgive and radically love whomever is across the aisle and that is i understand a very difficult concept for a lot of people to wrap their head around because we look at someone doing
a bad thing and our initial gut instinct is bad evil wrong monster we point the fingers and point the fingers and point the fingers now are the actions that this person are doing are those sometimes monstrous villainous evil absolutely but there's still a five-year-old child in them that came into this world and
had nothing but optimism nothing but potential nothing but openness nothing but love and then the way that the world ultimately mis you know misform misfigured them in their heart in their mind in their psyche that is what we have to be paying more attention to in recognizing and then applying an empathy to this person it is
not excusing the evil act it is instead trying to apply love to those who are doing the evil act because only then can we redeem those people i mean and this is happening on a regular basis people go to prisons all the time there are groups of people that see murderers on death row and yet
they can still see the human being in them they say listen i what you did was wrong and you're on death row because of what you did but i am not going to give up on you and the redemption of who you can be in your soul because i see that x y or z i saw that you were raised in this type of an environment you were
abused as a child your father beat you and put cigarettes out on you you watched your father or mother or cousin kill someone else you saw that as a sign of survival you didn't have enough money to buy food for your family so you started to steal and then in order to steal you needed to protect yourself you
thought and so you carried a gun and then somebody tried to stop you from stealing and you went and shot them and now you're a murderer now none of that excuses the murder but all of it explains why that murder ended up happening and if we can do that and this is where i think christ was really trying to get to the heart of it he's
like hey there's none righteous not one there's not one person on this planet that can actually stand above everyone else and cast the stones he is who is without sin cast the first stone everyone's like dropping the stuff that's not me that's not you that's not anybody you know and yes we could
probably sit here and hash up like well what's a more egregious sin but they're all sin at the end of the day they're all things that we're all falling short of treating each other as the divine miracle that we are and and people ask me what about people who don't believe in a spiritual plane or god or whatever
you know how do you explain to them that they're a miracle very easily we are a mathematical improbability this planet that it even exists that we are a perfect distance away from the sun so that we don't freeze and we don't boil that we have a moon that is the perfect distance away from us that allows all of
our literally the systems like gravity to even you know the the tides to go in and out and that we have been as human beings we've been searching the universe ever since we had the capability we have been searching the universe trying to find life anywhere else and we can't find it and we haven't
found it now even if there is other life in the universe we're still a miracle that this place exists it's still a mathematical miracle so even if you don't believe in god even if you have no spiritual proclivity or you know whatever you can still count yourself as a miracle and if we can do that and we
can start seeing each other as miracles and we can see that every blade of a grass every squirrel every dog every tree every everything anything that possesses actual life we can create everything else we can make more computers we can make more phones we can make more whatever we need to make and yes we can also create more
life we do that on a regular basis but each one of those lives is unique every single one of us comes with a uniqueness that uh you know making another audi doesn't necessarily come with a uniqueness you know we are a miracle that is what i'm trying to drive to people and this well one of the
things i'm trying to drive the people on the book because i really think that if we can wrap our heads around that if we can change our perspective and we can start seeing each other even the evil you know even the bad even the monsters even all these people and say okay yes they are doing bad but they started they
they were initially they had all of the promise and let's have a little empathy with that let's have a little grace let's have a little more patience let's hold them accountable and i think that's one of the big disconnects that people have they're afraid that if we start to give people even a little bit
of grace well now we're condoning their behavior no no you can you can love and not like that's that's another thing i try to get to in the book loving is not just this warm feeling it's not just like times a hundred like is to like to love is to just accept the divinity except the miracle that is across from you anyway that
there's a rant for you that is there is so much to unpack the first thing was this difference in responsibility and fault and when it comes to accepting ourselves i think the reason why we struggle to accept ourselves is because we think that means i have to think it's my fault and when it becomes my fault
now i become depressed by that idea it's disempowering it brings me down whereas as zach said when you actually go well it's not my fault but it is my responsibility that's empowering it gives you a sense of choice and direction and design like you said our choices today are impacted by the
decisions that were made for us when we couldn't make choices or when we didn't have the choice and so that's the part that's not our fault but now as we get wiser and older and more mature and more experienced we now can take that responsibility so i thought that was a a really clear concept the
second thing that i wanted to unpack from what you said which is really special was the difference between excluding and explaining so you were talking about how someone's actions don't exclude them for what's coming for them but really we need to seek the explanation we need to understand how they got there it's the
the context the complexity it's it's one of the reasons why i really appreciate it it's the why it's the why it's the why it's it's one of the reasons why i appreciated uh the movie the joker because to me looking at a very fictional character of course but you start to recognize that even
this villain that we have hated or disliked for so many years has a backstory and often we tell our heroes backstories and origin stories but we don't tell the villains backstories or origin stories and and there's a lot to be gained from that because yes nothing is excluded everyone should be held accountable
people should not be allowed to get away with things but we might be able to reduce this happening in the future if we were to learn how these people are made and talking about your audi example it actually does align because if you and i got an audi on the same day and it was the same model but you treated yours
badly and i treated mine well in 10 years time you're going to see the exact same difference and that uniqueness is going to be made by how it's treated so i just wanted to unpack that for everyone because i think you shared such a breadth of insight there and and i just wanted to pick at a few of those
things so i love that you brought up the joker because that movie i was so grateful that it was made because it to me was one of the most important movies i had ever seen that dealt with mental health i was like how it took a a dc and you know i love that it's dc too because that's my family but
you know it took dc making this movie about this villain to really highlight the incredibly powerful effects of trauma like real horrible trauma and what that does to a human being there's that saying every villain is the hero of their own story right or everyone is the hero of their own story including villains and one of
the coolest things about being an actor is that it's very much based on empathy you know the whole idea is that you are looking at something that is outside of you a character a person and you're trying to understand them so that you can bring them to life in an honest way now if you're playing a
quote-unquote bad guy well guess what bad guys don't think they're bad guys bad guys think that they're doing the right thing whatever that is now it might be super twisted it might it might come from all the wrong places but their logic has brought them to there because of whatever traumas they've experienced
prior to that there are not a lot of people doing bad in the world that are sitting around twisting their proverbial mustache and being like i can't wait to do these bad things no it's very hard for us to wrap our head around but that is the truth in order to understand why people are doing what
they're doing which is what we like you're saying we have to get to the bottom of it it does not excuse it explains excusing explaining and to explain builds empathy it helps us to understand why people do what they do and therefore helps us to hopefully condition them away from doing those things if we can find them early enough
instead of you know let's say you meet somebody and you know that they're about to or thinking about doing this horrible thing now the knee-jerk reaction is oh my god they're a monster i can't believe it i got no no no as opposed to oh you are hurting inside let's sit down let me be a conduit of love in your life
so that you don't feel the necessity to go do these you know what if people saw that and said oh man you know what i think this guy might be very close to going and doing something really bad and why oh because well look how he's treated at school look how he's treated at home look how
he's treated online they're constantly online and they're finding themselves rejected even by strangers on the internet they go on instagram and they're constantly comparing themselves to the beautiful perfect lives of everyone there comparison is not just the thief of joy comparison is literally destroying
people's mental health we have got to be able to get in there hopefully early before the bad things happen but then afterwards also we have got to be willing to allow ourselves to be angry to be frustrated to be sad to be all of the things but then still not allow ourselves to be the dehumanizer the more we dehumanize all
those that are struggling in doing bad things in the world the more we dehumanize ourselves we are all cut from the same miraculous cloth some of us are just in conditioning that makes them very troubled and doing very horrible things but again there are people that go to prisons now that are going and seeing the human
being even in the murderer and saying i refuse to believe that you are a monster instead i will hold you accountable we will all hold you accountable because that was not what you should have done but i will still try to do my best to see the human in you because before you leave this earth
you should feel that you should know that and i think that if we do that we infuse that kind of love there'll be less and less and less and less and less of this that we ever need to deal with because people will ultimately be more healed and more whole and that's why i think that if we can get to everyone there
to if we could heal every head every every every heart and every mind in this world all of our other problems go away these are the source of all of the rest of the issues of all the murder of all the rape of all the uh theft of all the wars of all of the greed the amount of greed that is killing this world right
now all of the ceos and and leaders of industry that all value profit over people that all value money over what that money is ultimately doing to this world to the planet to the animals and the the the life in it and and we all just kind of rationalize it we all say yeah but you know i mean everybody needs to make
money so i guess i don't know no those people the reason why we all do this is because we are all still afraid that if we don't have enough we are not enough and that is one of the greatest lies and the ceos that get to the tops of these companies though we can get to them instead of what so many people want to do which is
dehumanize and vilify them and say you're the one percent and you don't care maybe maybe all that is somewhat true on some level but guess what they're still also a child of god they are also still a divine miraculous life and i guarantee that if we want to actually help them to change their ways
pointing fingers and yelling at them is not the way to do it if we want to actually change their hearts we've gotta we've gotta lead with love we've gotta go to the jeff bezos's of the world and this is hard because i really have big problems with people like you know like it's like dude you have all the money in
the world why where's all the altruism why can't we give back like you can't take it with you you know one of my favorite quotes you don't see a u-haul in the back of a hearse your grave is it that's all you know now some of these people i think they think well about i'll be remembered as one of
the richest people in the world no you won't not not 100 years from now not 200 years not a thousand years from now there are emperors that were ruling over massive empires that had that commanded millions and millions of lives that could literally kill a person in front of god and everyone and do it scot-free
nothing would happen to them at all do you know all of their names because i don't i don't know all of these people nobody does they're all forgotten they're all forgotten in the annals of history very few of them ever get written down and if they are written down it's a little footnote it's like oh yeah and that
person existed but nothing of really any value they're not looked at as like oh these are the great people of the world they're not if they're even remembered at all so if we can get to the old you know the ultra wealthy of the world these leaders of industry and say hey hey hey listen there's nothing wrong
with going and taking care of yourself you and yours and making money fine go do it but don't do it at the expense of other people's lives don't do it at the expense of your entire workforce don't do it at the expense of the environment don't do it at the expense of this miracle of a world that we have but we
can't do that to hate we can't hate our way to a better future we can only love our way there that is the bottom line and so and that and it takes this radical love we struggle as human beings to allow two things to exist at one time so the idea as you said is you can love someone but not like what they do that's
allowing two opposite separate ideas to exist at the same time or the idea that i disagree with this person but i have to connect with them and communicate with them in a way that will help them shift and i may have to be more patient it may take longer but guess what if it takes me longer it
will probably last longer as well i if you shout at someone they may change their behavior right now but they'll go back to doing what they were doing a few moments later just like you do with the child like if you shout at a child and it may stop playing the video game or whatever it is because it's scared but
then a few moments later it still wants to play the video game whereas if a child is engaged with and connected with and communicated with and educated in what may be a better use of its time it it just starts to transform and that requires love and it requires empathy and it requires patience
and i think because we've never received that ourselves we find it so hard to go out there and give it to others i mean in the first section of your book the first chapter you call it stop running when when we bring this back because we've talked a lot about like the most big extreme global macro issues of how this idea
cascades across the world but when we look at it as you said at the start like it starts from us and so what do you think zach what are we running from and what are we running towards or are we just running nowhere you know in my case and i think this is the case probably for a lot of people but in my
case it was running from the pain and i didn't even know it i mean that's you know that's that's part of the tricky thing about this you know like you can give somebody advice that absolutely applies to their life but if they don't recognize that they're doing that thing they think no i'm good i mean for so long in my life i had been
given certain pieces of advice like maybe do this or maybe do that but in my mind i was i was cool i was like i get that for somebody else but for me i'm i'm okay i didn't realize until i had this massive breakdown that i had been running away from so much of what i had been trying to survive and i do think that's
pretty applicable to most people you know as a child your ego is essential it is your survival suit it is your it is your life raft it it is the thing that protects you from all of the trauma that you experience i mean it's a thing that you know particularly like not particularly but
using again an extreme example there are people that are able to disassociate from themselves when they are sexually abused as children because how else is a child supposed to process that so many of these cases the ego steps in the ego is there to protect the psyche and it says you're not here right now you're
good you're not here right now you're somewhere else this isn't really you and then that child learns how to now disassociate well that was great for them but that becomes a massive problem later on in life if you don't ultimately heal from that if you don't learn that that's what you're doing and heal from
it so the ego ultimately is this incredible gift but that becomes an incredible hindrance it becomes an incredible weight on us you know in the in the book i talk about it's almost like this exoskeleton or this you know uh suit of armor it's this incredible thing you're walking around and people are swinging
clubs and things at you and it's the armor's taking all the hits but the armor is getting dented and chinked and cut up and you know so you end up walking around by the time you're 35 years old if you're still depending on this suit of armor you don't realize how malformed you are you think you're
walking smooth and straight but you're really with a limp and you're doing this all because you're stuck in this contorted armor and that armor is only supposed to service up to that point and then you know we can argue or argue a debate about you know some people you know they like to use
wording like you know death to the ego or kill the ego and other people are like no befriend the ego or whatever that is however you want to word it i think at the end of the day is something that we all need to realize as a beautiful necessity in our lives as we are children particularly and then eventually it does not serve us
in a the positive way that it once did and ultimately being grateful for it but allowing it to not be the armor that we need anymore because we are doing the work on healing ourselves and enlightening ourselves so that when things do come at us we're able to evade we're able to you know judo them by us
we're not just hitting they're not hitting us anymore because we're more now more mature in our thought process and in our feelings i was constantly running because i was constantly trying to survive as a child i didn't realize just how traumatic it was to me you know like if you're growing up in chaos you
just kind of assume that's normal that you the standard is what it is if you don't grow up in chaos you assume that's normal now i thought when i would go to normal you know friends homes and things i just assumed well people are putting on heirs or they're putting on appearances but when i'm not here it
gets crazy like it gets crazy at my house not realizing that i was really in a massive massive survival mode i mean my sympathetic nervous system even to this day i mean it's something that i have to work on very constantly because we want to be in our parasympathetic we want to be in a relaxed rest and digest in a
mode most of the time we don't want to be in this again incredible gift that our bodies were given which is the sympathetic which is to survive which is to run away from the saber-tooth tiger which is to not be killed by a trampling uh elephant or or you know go running and going and running after an antelope to go hunt it
and bring it back to your account these are all things that we are our bodies evolutionarily have these beautiful amazing gifts but they're constantly activated now almost more than ever because survival is no longer running away from the beast or chasing the thing to hunt or getting out of you
know the elements we all have a roof not all of us but a lot of the world more than ever before in human history have some kind of a roof over their head some kind of clothes on their back some kind of food in their stomach and survival has now become money because money can pay for all of those things
and so our pursuit all of our collective pursuit for more of this is keeping us all engaged in this survival mode and i was running from all of that trying to survive and then running two where do i find my worth where do i find my identity where do i find these other things that ultimately give me this
purpose and this worth and how do i survive now in this other world so that's where i ran from and that's where i ran too and ultimately all of that is really unhealthy because you need to be able to just sit with yourself and recognize that nothing gives you worth or value outside of the fact that you are
that you are here the fact that you are alive means that you are a miracle if that alone if we could get people to the point of recognizing that holy crap that should be enough hopefully to be able to say i love myself i'm i can't believe what uh what a lucky thing that i got i'm here i'm i'm in this existence that
will hopefully help us to stop running from things and sit and be present i think the challenge i see that people have as you address in this book and that's why i i really appreciate what you've done with this book like zach talks about like how to get help how to be open how to share your story right like the
book is a systematic approach in the journey that that we're talking about in this very macro way today because the book lays out the steps that you have to take so if anyone's listening to us right now and going like that's what i want to do that's what i want to figure out the book actually walks you
through that journey and zach i want to ask you this question because i feel like that journey as you said at the beginning to radical love often feels so far away because we haven't been trained that way we haven't experienced that we didn't see that we didn't have access to that growing up
what's the first step if radical love is the step what's the first step in that journey that people could take today tomorrow this year in their life that makes them feel like they're on that journey because what we both also know is that if you try and imitate radical love or if you try and pretend to practice radical love that
can actually be detrimental to yourself and others because it's just it's not real right so i want to hear about that from you inauthentic anything is the opposite of the thing so if we're trying to put on love if it's not authentic it's not love particularly love there's a lot there are actually some other things that you
could do a proxy version of that you can maybe you're not totally screwing things up but if you are if you think you're providing love if you're loving you think you're you're loving yourself i mean like my like my own journey i thought i was loving myself but that was inauthentic love because i was still
berating myself i unbeknownst to me i was still all my self-talk was the same self-talk though it was the same talk that i got from my parents my parents the majority of the way that you talk to yourself is the way your parents talk to you so if you don't first recognize that you're gonna have a
really hard time understanding how to get out of whatever you're in now if you had great parents that were super patient and loving and kind and empathetic and didn't you know jump at you but held firm boundaries and you know all that stuff there's chances chances are you have really good healthy self-talk and good on you me
not so much i had i didn't i didn't know that and then i figured it out and i still work on it but it's a thing that you know now that i'm aware of the traps that i fall into now i'm able to go oh oh zach you're doing it again you're doing that thing and you know this is how you end up winding yourself
back down so but going back to your question what is the first step the first step has got to be recognizing that you have a problem right like that is that's the age old that's the adage you know the first step in fixing a problem is is recognizing that you have a problem now that can be very difficult for
people you can't force people to do that that's got to be something that comes because they recognize the necessity now in my case i had a complete mental breakdown and so i knew i don't know what else to do clearly i have a problem if i don't want to live anymore so i have got to go try and figure that out now
that was step one step two now by the way not everybody has to come to that dire of a conclusion hopefully nobody does hopefully we're able to recognize these things far earlier in life beyond that the step is you got to talk you got to talk about it you got to start with a one of your closest friends or closest
friends start with your family if they're the closest to you get some of it out say i am struggling i don't know what i'm struggling with i'm embarrassed whatever guess what there's no reason to be embarrassed there's no reason to be scared because everybody everyone without fail there is not one
person on this earth that hasn't dealt with even the best parented people still deal with some form of stress anxiety depression you name it there is something there so everyone can relate to this ultimately we're all afraid it's getting better which is great it's getting less stigmatized as the more we
do things like this and talk about it but everyone still has these reservations and fears because nobody wants to feel like they're broken nobody wants to feel like everybody else is good but i'm somehow struggling and i don't know and we all feel like we're uniquely broken we feel like well
clearly no one has felt the way that i feel no one has gone through this exact thing and i am here to say that is also a lie because the world is really really old and there have been billions and billions of people who have lived on this earth and even if they lived in a completely different time guess what
they have still struggled with the exact same problems slightly different details exact same problems so talking about it getting it out you have got to acknowledge that there's a problem talk about that but immediately as soon as you can go to a professional don't don't have your friends and family don't allow
them to be this uh kind of end-all of where you get your advice and your wisdom because as try as they might they all have bias they all have agenda even buys an agenda that they're unaware of not even biased and generally like well i'm going to take advantage of this like hey i have a certain idea of who i think you are
ought to be so i'm going to give you advice when it comes to directing you in that way whereas a disinterested unbiased unagended third party i mean i guess the only bias or agenda they would have a professional therapist is that they get paid to do it so i suppose you could say that but outside of that i mean and they should
because it's a service it's a job and by the way it's one of the most valuable so it's so worth the money although i do think all of that needs to be worked out too that really i'm hoping that we can keep pushing toward getting mental health services and information and education to people
on much more reduced rates if not entirely free i wish that there were clinton clinics that people could just walk into right off the street and be like hey i'm struggling i need to talk to somebody i need somebody to just kind of like help click this this back into reality what a beautiful world that will
be but until that day very worth whatever uh you know the money um i believe an investment in yourself so that's the first step i really truly believe you got it you got to acknowledge it you got to talk about it and then within that now you have someone who is guiding you to the various other steps because the
other steps though some of them are kind of universal some of them are not not every not every uh person needs to do x and not every person needs to do y and even the people that need to do both don't necessarily have to do them or should do them in that order you know it all depends on what your particular
personal journey has been in your life with your traumas how they came about how they're manifesting in your life right now how you happen to be struggling or not struggling with them or don't think you're struggling with them you know all of that can really you know with a licensed professional somebody who
really understands these things who have studied this stuff they can guide you through the rest but so that that's what i would tell anybody out there do yourself the service and the favor go love yourself first and foremost by investing in a therapist and being able to talk about and just get out what it
is you need to talk about i love that zach i mean i'm sure everyone can hear your passion your drive the amount of like and it was the same last time like even last time i remember there was this one clip we had and you just went empathy empathy empathy empathy empathy empathy and you said empathy like 30
times and even today i've heard you say radical love you know it's the message you're asking us to do is hard but necessary it's challenging but real it's pushing us because that's the only way we get to our truest selves and and you can see that in you that it's a it's a plea like you're almost plea pleading
with us to say please do this you know it's not even it's not a direction it's not preaching it's not pushing it's pleading and i just want to say thank you to you for your energy for the time to put this book together for just just your ability to speak the truth so emphatically and
you know with so much with so much not confidence that's that's actually an understatement but but with depth right there's there's a real depth behind these thoughts and i i appreciate you man i really do because it's it's so much harder to talk about the things that you're choosing to talk about
than than the software version of a lot of these ideas so i appreciate you i'm grateful for you i'm recommending to everyone please please please go and grab a copy of the book radical love learning to accept yourself and others like i said today zach's taking us on a journey of really understanding the concepts and ideas as
these big principles but the book really goes into his journey his story the experiences he went to to be on the brink of that position of breaking down and falling apart and then guides you through this step to step journey whether it's overcoming your ego whether it's loving yourself so please do go and
grab a copy of radical love uh zach i'm grateful i can't wait to catch up with you hang out with you i i miss you and uh yes i'm i'm wishing you all the best for the book tour i hope it goes exceptionally well uh and and i'm really excited to reconnect man thank you so much thank you thank you bless you uh
love and appreciate you so much and uh i hope that i get to see uh you and your uh wonderful wife uh in la or wherever we get to connect somewhere in the world absolutely thank you man have a wonderful evening thank you for doing this at your time i'm sure it's pretty late there too so nah i'm good totally
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