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All suffering is created and it's true for every human being.
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We believe our thoughts, we suffer, we question them, we don't suffer.
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So, an unquestioned life is not worth living and that's certainly my experience, too.
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When you said that you were depressed for over a decade, and and I want to start by asking you, how would you describe that chapter of your life, of of what it felt like and how different it is to how you feel now?
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Oh gosh, it was it was horrible.
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It is something that I would never want another human being to have to live through and and um in my world, people um are experiencing that.
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You know, there there emails that come in to me and they're they're um uh I love my emails that you know, there is a way out of suffering, but I didn't know that and to wake up in the morning, Jan, realize that I was still breathing felt like something was intentionally torturing me.
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And I was I was so suicidal and and agoraphobic, so just trapped most of the time in my bedroom and it was it was not fun.
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Um let's see describe it to you.
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Um my my self-esteem and self-loathing was so strong that I was sleeping on the floor one morning as I usually did and next to my bed because I was so full of of um self-loathing that I didn't believe I deserved a bed. That's the bottom line.
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So, all I deserved was to sleep on the floor.
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But, this particular morning as I lay sleeping on the floor, I was in like this dead sleep and a cockroach crawled over my foot.
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I opened my eyes and basically all the suffering was gone.
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All the suffering was gone.
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And the valuable thing was that I saw when I believed my thoughts, I suffered.
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But when I didn't believe my thoughts, I didn't suffer.
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And the way that I saw that is when I opened my eyes, the ego did not have opportunity to fill that space.
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And everything was present.
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And in that, I began to laugh.
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It was like I got the joke. I got it.
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And I saw, you know, it I'm what I was thinking and believing was the cause of my suffering.
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And then the work was born on the floor in in that moment, you know, it was it was how how all suffering is created.
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And it's true for every human being.
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We believe our thoughts, we suffer.
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We question, then we don't suffer.
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So, um I some great minds said, "An unquestioned life is not worth living."
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And that's certainly my experience, too.
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That's That's incredible that you were able to birth a whole new way of thinking in that moment.
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And I wonder, what were those thoughts that you were believing at that time?
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Where were they coming from? Was it family? Was it parenting? Was it relationships?
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It It was It was It was from me.
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It was, um there's um something terrible's going to happen.
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There's something wrong with me.
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The The world doesn't really care about me.
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No one cares about anyone.
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Um Um he doesn't care about me. Um I can't do it.
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All these and I didn't even know what the it was most of the time that I couldn't do, but it was just this this crazy and the effect of believing those thoughts is um depression was depression and guilt and insanity.
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And from that moment on the floor anytime my head would would say thoughts would hit, is it true?
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It would it would just the thoughts would happen like something terrible's going to happen, and it would evaporate.
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It couldn't continue after that moment on the floor.
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And so when people began to ask me, which was really strange and agoraphobic being asked anyone being in touch with an agoraphobic is pretty rare.
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But um people began to just um call me from all over the world.
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It was just, you know, just one by one by one and um and ask what you know, could they come live with me, you know, the strangest questions.
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And um I didn't know if it was the water I was drinking, the food I was eating.
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I had cuz everything had so radically flipped just like from one polarity to the other.
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And but then when they'd ask what happened and they would they would say uh life isn't worth living, and it would blow my mind because I knew they knew better.
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I I knew they knew better because I'm still I once you know your own true nature, you see it in everyone and everything.
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And so I began to show them the experience on the floor.
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I asked the questions like something terrible's going to happen.
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Like they would say something terrible's going to happen, and I would say, "Is it true?"
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And that puts them on the floor.
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Not literally, but it puts them into that experience on the floor.
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And then, how do you react?
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What happens when you believe the thought?
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And then, they become aware of in that meditative state, how do I react when I believe the thought?
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I've seen those images of the past, not now, in the future, not now.
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And And it moves their focus and attention from presence, where the given life is, the blessed life is right here, right now, without being so convoluted or We're We're not confused when we are present.
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And whatever we need to do can be done there, and everything to do it with is also present.
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And then, that third question, how do you react when you believe the thought, they become aware of the images and what they believe onto the images.
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So, we have the the the image of, let's say, this morning at breakfast, and we see that image of that past, and then we believe words onto that image, and then the imagined life is created.
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And really, that is all of life that most humans understand.
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It keeps us like in the not now, in the not now, that past, future, past, future, and it is not, is not.
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And And And the movie is so it's so all-encompassing.
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We really Like, I see me at breakfast, but I really believe that's me, even though I can't take it out of my head. I can't touch it. I can't move it.
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I can't I can't throw it.
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I There's no That's not I.
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So, that me of the past, me of the future. Now there's three of me.
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And now all of these past, there are million of me, there are million of me in the future. It's like, who am I?
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And if we just Who would I be?
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That fourth question, who would I be without the thought something terrible's going to happen, for example, dealing with that one.
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And it just it just drops the image of the of the past where something terrible happened, the future where it's going to happen.
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It dissolves the nothing, all those eyes, and the answer to who am I? It's present. Just present.
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And then, you know, people are taking this on as a practice.
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And as they do take it on as a practice, they see these horrors of the the guilt of the past and the horrors of the future, and they are awake to not I, not I, not I, not I, the all the not now, so they are with the one they love, the beloved, themselves awake to the given.
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You know, the love of life, not life imagined, but the love of of Oh, you you know you know, Jane, you you know of all people what it's like to see to see.
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It's Oh my goodness, I could add stuff to it.
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Like, it sparkles, it shines, and then it's none of those things, and it's all of those things, and it's and it's humbling, it's it's being gifted.
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And so I understand why people want to be in the now, but how?
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And of course I was shown this one way, and there are so many beautiful ways.
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Doesn't have to be just this or just that, there's something for everyone and and um and what I love about inquiry is it works with everything.
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It's not It doesn't oppose anything.
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It doesn't even say, "Answer me."
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You know, it just is like like given freely.
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And so it after all these years, you know, more than three decades, it still excites me just to answer your question and feel like I'm taking over your entire program. Give it a go. I I love listening. It's beautiful.
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And what I'm hearing so wonderfully is when these questions, and you use the word inquiry, it's like when these questions are these genuine, sincere requests and questions as opposed to these demands.
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And I feel often our questions in the world are demands to the universe as opposed to these inquiries.
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And so we often ask questions.
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We're always asking questions. Yeah.
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Even with our thoughts, but often we're asking demanding questions like, "Why is this happening to me?
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When is this going to end? Yeah.
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Why is this not stopping?"
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And those are not really questions.
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They're rhetorical demands. Yeah.
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And and I find that when we ask questions like that, we know that let alone the universe, even our friends would not respond to questions like that because they're not really looking for an answer.
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And so you I love the way you're reminding us.
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Now, tell us, Katie, if someone right now, and you have shown us the work, you've told us about the questioning process, but if someone right now is and especially right now is going through anxiety, depression, suffering from mental health, they are looking at the scenario of the world and they're having those thoughts. Yes.
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And and one would say they're very valid to have those thoughts, especially right now, and there have been multiple times in history.
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What would be the first thing you would say that they need to do in order to realize that there is hope for them because I think for so many people they they get to this point where they believe their thoughts so much that they feel there is no hope left and and there's no chance just like you were saying you felt.
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I would say first get in touch with your emotions because they're the most they're the closest thing to you.
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And what blocks us from our emotions? What stops us from them?
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The truth sets me free and and that's my experience.
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Unless it's drugs, you know what what you know, we do our best and so I tried all of that and I did it well and it took me literally to the floor.
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But I would say get in touch with your emotions like when we're angry for example, we feel it and we tense and so to first get in touch with your emotions in other words notice. Notice.
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And then move up to your head and notice because those emotions let you know and remind you of what you're thinking and believing is the cause of your suffering.
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And so then you can identify the thoughts you're thinking.
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And then don't trust them to stay.
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Move them from your head to paper.
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And then um sit with those four questions with um like he doesn't care about me.
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That belongs on paper and then you question it using these four questions and and turn arounds and the turnarounds are just finding opposites. So it's all always free.
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Anything I have a value if if I have something of value, it's always free on byronkatie. com and or the work.
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com and and how to do this is there because if someone told me, you know, when you feel your emotions, just just get in touch with them and what are you thinking and believing?
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I would I would I would say give me a cigarette.
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In the days that I used to smoke.
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Yeah, and I I love that about getting it down into paper.
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I think it's so important to get out of our heads.
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And you know, when things are in your mind, you think that they're there, but they can get convoluted and polluted.
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And so, I often say to people as well, which I love is getting out on the paper is almost sometimes voice noting and recording your own voice and hearing it.
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It puts you in such an observer mindset and you can hear yourself and you're like when you can hear yourself, you can hear what you're really trying to say and what you're really trying to communicate.
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It's almost like hearing in between the lines for yourself.
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Same with writing it down when you can read out to yourself.
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I think those are such powerful tools.
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I I love it when I've heard you say that to judge people is to keep them separate from me.
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And and I like that so much especially right now because I feel that judgment is what creates so much divide and sometimes even even what I find is more subtle is judgment of judgment.
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So, so it's we think that we are being right by judging, but actually we're simply judging someone for their judgment, if you know what I mean. It keeps us separate.
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It is the fence I put between you and me.
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And and I feel that separation, so I'm just going to come at you whether you like it or not until you understand me, but it's my fence I have put up between us. Yeah.
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The cause of all suffering is what we're thinking and believing.
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So, what you and I are talking about right now is the cause of suffering. Mhm.
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It's it's what we're thinking and believing. That is attachment.
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You know, the Buddha talks about attachments.
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We religions talk about attachment and and um dodge something there's something else, but we'll say attachment and and um and what we're talking about is the most important thing.
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To identify what we're thinking and believing is to identify the cause of suffering and to question it is to set ourselves free.
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And to question that really is a meditative process.
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For example, if I think there's this is a terrible place, this world is a terrible place.
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My mind will show me all the images of the past that prove it and the future that says it's going to happen again. It proves it.
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What we're thinking and believing is proven within us, but it's as we say nowadays fake news.
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It's fake news and because it's not real. It's it's imaging. It's dreaming. It's the dream world.
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So, to ask is it true begins to wake us up to reality.
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And the valid answer we when we ask is it true to meditate, to get still in that and not to ask the question of ourselves if we don't really want what we're asking to meet the question.
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And what we're asking to meet the question is that don't know world that is so unavailable to us when we are living as believers in in these these terrifying depressive states of mind.
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What are some beliefs that we should have then because if we have if we're believing so many of the wrong thoughts, what are some of the thoughts that we should believe?
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Is there a Well, words become like um matches for um our true nature.
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And or a match to the heart.
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Like um if I think there's something wrong with him or her or them, you know, a society for example, but there's something wrong with him, then my mind immediately shows me all the proof. And but it's not proof. It's a state of mind.
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And then it shows me the future where he's going to do that to me, too.
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You know, that's going to happen here, too.
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And so I don't see that him I'm with.
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I see who I imagine him to be.
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So that's who I'm talking to.
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So I like to say no two people have ever met. We're crazy.
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We are talking to a phantom and we're so convinced and and um so, you know, this this work wakes us up wakes me up to reality and I forgot your question actually slipped.
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No, my No, no, that was beautiful.
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I My my question was because you're saying that we sometimes believe our negative thoughts and that's what creates our suffering. Oh, the replacement.
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So Are there any thoughts that we should have?
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Are there any beliefs we should have?
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Well, let's let's say um I think there's something wrong with him, and is it true? Can I really know that?
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How do I react when I believe the thought?
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I see that past future energy and all of that.
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Who would I be without it?
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And I'm just meditating, dropping my story, dropping that identification on him, taking all the post-its I believed onto him, and I just see him.
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And I see him and with without what I'm believing onto him.
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And then when I turn it around, there's something wrong with him turned around, there's something wrong with me.
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And I'm not exchanging one belief for another, I am I am going to try it on as though it were a a shoe I tried on and I fell in love with in a shoe store.
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I don't know if it fits, I've got to try it on.
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So, uh there's something wrong with him turned around, there's something wrong with me. I'm going to try it on.
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Now, in that situation with him, there's something wrong with me. Okay, my attitude.
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I was experience a little fear, a lot of separation, there's something wrong with me.
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I see him differently when I dropped my story on him. That was mine.
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There's something wrong with me.
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So, I am meditating in a moment in time. And I'm present.
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And if I see something if I see something unacceptable in my world, I look to me.
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I don't look to other people.
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They cannot give me the answers that I'm seeking.
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And often they say things that enlighten me, that wake me up, that change my life.
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But I'm the one that heard them.
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And as I'm in a hurry, I was in a hurry.
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And and I was I was I was granted a a gift, and it came freely.
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And now, that belongs to everyone.
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And no one has to be open to it either, but I just know my job like you know yours. We're we know our jobs.
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We give the guest and and and we it it grows in us each time we do.
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And what about so many people I hear today who are reconnecting with some of the pains in their childhood that they may not have even been aware of.
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So, when we look at childhood trauma, we look at abandonment issues, we look at the feeling of not feeling nurtured, like we look at the feeling of being rejected or neglected as a child and we carry this and it's there and we sometimes we don't become aware of it until we're much older. It's so true.
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How how does someone go about processing that?
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Because I feel that that also reflects in the type of partners we choose for ourselves.
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It reflects in our communication with our friends and our bosses and our colleagues.
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It creates so many issues. It affects everything.
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It it affects our identification.
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The people I work with so that they understand how to work with it themselves is I and I ask them to go into like go into the trauma, get into the center of that trauma where it was the most painful and identify meditating in that situation and that's asking a lot.
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But to go back into that situation and identify what they were thinking and believing then. Mhm.
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Because what they were thinking and believing then was the cause of the trauma.
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No matter what that person did to me, what I was thinking and believing was the cause of my trauma.
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So, I identify those thoughts.
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I write them down and I have a judge and a neighbor worksheet on my website people can download or work it there and and and it's a form with six questions that include in allow us to recall what we were thinking and believing then. Right.
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So, um so that supports it.
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And then there are their thoughts, what they were thinking and believing then, the cause of the trauma.
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And um and then they question those thoughts.
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And they question that from a meditative state, from that situation, from the center of that that terrible situation.
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Doesn't mean the other person isn't guilty, but it's still what still remains is what I was thinking and believing is the cause of my suffering.
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So, I question those thoughts and and the trauma breaks and um and I am enlightened to the cause of my suffering.
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And that's what I was thinking and believing, and then there I have a lot to do.
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I have a lot to do after that.
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It's another worksheet and another worksheet.
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And you know, my mother, um for example, said, um one day, let's let's hypothetically say she said, "Byron Kathleen."
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And I'm just a little kid. I'm just goo goo ga ga.
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I'm just, you know, da da da da da da da da da da da and and it doesn't mean anything to me.
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And she says, "Byron Kathleen."
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And it means nothing to me.
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And then let's say 3 weeks go by, da da da da da da da.
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And she says, "Byron Kathleen."
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And then one of my siblings say, "Byron Kathleen."
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And and it and my mother says it, my father says it, and then one day my mother says it, and I believe. Mhm. I believe.
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And prior to that, I was not. Wow.
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The moment I believed, I am. Mhm.
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And the same with I'm a female. I'm this age. I have this color hair. I have this color skin. I have this.
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And now you have this and you are that and you are that.
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So I'm multiplying like being in a mirror.
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And and the whole world is reflecting what I believe back to me.
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So to go back to the beginning Wow. and and and Wow.
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and and and question, you know, my name is Byron Kathleen.
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You know, and that's so close to the ego.
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I don't invite people to go there.
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But if you're let's say you're raising children.
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Oh, I just I just this work is free.
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All it will cost you is your identity.
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And leave you with a leave you with a kinder one.
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That is so powerful what you what you were just saying there about constantly taking back to when what was your belief at that time?
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What were your thoughts and your belief at that time?
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Because there are so many times when we believe and we have created a thought that we trust this person.
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Yet we never knew if they were trustworthy.
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We never allowed them to earn our trust. We just gave it to them.
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And then we wonder why they broke it and it's because at that time we chose to give them our trust.
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We chose Well, when when we consider what we were thinking and believing Yeah.
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you know, we look to ourselves.
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They didn't they didn't con me into trusting them.
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I believed this this and this and I trusted that. Yeah.
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Now now you say in that regard, you also say that there's nothing that isn't a gift.
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Uh it's a friendly universe, you say. Yes. Oh my gosh, yes.
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Oh, it is a friendly universe.
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I get goosebumps just just um hearing it from you.
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It is a friendly universe.
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And but what I'm thinking and believing about this about this universe could use a little work if I don't love it. Mhm. As it is.
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And And we question what we're thinking and believing about life and it leaves us in a friendly universe. Mhm.
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It's It's the most It's It's a radical thing to wake up to reality. No downside.
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It's hard to accept because of our desire to control and our desire for my ego for things to be the way we want them to be.
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Yeah, our desire to be God. Correct.
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And And that's And And our desire to be God is is an honest thing.
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It's just flipped into the ego's possession. Mhm.
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So it's So we question what we're believing and we become very humbled and then eventually we see that that we Oh boy, this is This is um This is wild, but still it's like I I believed this universe into being.
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And if I don't love it, I need to question my universe. Mhm.
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And that means question what I believe about you, about me, about them, about it, about God, about everything and wake up to reality.
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And without any preconceived idea about what it is. Mhm.
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And in my experience it's nameless anyway.
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Nameless would take away from the beauty of this that beautiful and to even claim it is says what it isn't. It's more than that.
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It's It's um It's disrespectful for me to even attempt.
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It's more beautiful than that. Mhm.
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And And I love I know that my community will be really interested in this case is how does this then affect our relationships and our communication with those that we love?
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How does this closer, closer, closer, closer. No space. No No distance. No No separation.
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Just living out of our true nature and trusting that it's a fearless state of mind, which means that there's nothing we cannot accomplish.
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You know, we wanted to accomplish something.
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If we don't, we consider and we consider what we were thinking and believing that stops us.
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Then inquiry leaves us in this fearless state of mind.
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And it's um and it's really good to be clear what you're going after. Mhm.
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You know, what it is you really want.
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And so for me, that's that's that's a part of the journey.
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I want people people to be free.
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And um and and why am why am I Why am I doing what I do?
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Because I have seen they're already free. That leaves me jobless. They're already free.
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And then I discovered that that that what we're thinking and believing what people are thinking and believing is the only prison they've got. Mhm.
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So, I see like on television hungry children, people suffering, and I have been in some of those positions.
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And I have sat in the in the center of those experience and identified what I was thinking and believing.
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And other than that, I was okay.
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So, I understand that the world is Again, it's a it's a friendly universe, Jay, and I'm very open to to it not being, so I continue to test it.
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And your test seems to be proving your hypothesis correct. Um I see a lot of good.
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I would say I see only good and anything less than that I question. Yeah.
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I love what you say about the three businesses.
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Uh can you share about the three businesses? I really like that.
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If if I look at it at um at like my daughter, let's say one of my the way she's raising her children, for example, or one of my sons, there's three kinds of business in all of the universes, mine, yours, and God's.
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And that's the God of your understanding.
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And if I'm mentally in my daughter's business, I'm sitting here with you, but mentally I'm in her house knowing how she should raise her children, knowing what she should do, all of all of this.
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I'm talking to you, but I'm over there in my daughter's business.
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So if I'm feeling disconnected from you, I can just ask myself mentally, whose business am I in?
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And notice, and emotions will let me know for sure.
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And then just come right back to right here, right now.
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And this is where I can make change.
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I can't make change over there.
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I'm I you know, I I can't be in all these places at once.
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But we are, we're all over the world.
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His business, her business, their business, God's business, the weather's business.
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That's that's a great point. That's so true.
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We rarely are in our own business. Oh, so true.
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And and the news takes us to everyone else's business.
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So our social media takes us to other people's business.
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We're always talking about other people's business.
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And how do you get your business done if you're always in someone else's business?
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And when you're when we're present, we can observe life from um um out of a it sounds strange, but out of a proactive state of mind, an understanding, I think is the better word.
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And and stay present and watch these things on televisions and and and and walk in Black Lives Matter events and and we can do the most marvelous things um and still be present. Mhm.
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It's um but fear fear stops us from I don't have the right clothes and and I I wonder if if uh I need to take a lunch and I did the Oh, well, this is just, you know, I don't think I'll bother today. Mhm. You know.
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You know, what would stop us from doing the right thing, our heart's desire? Mhm.
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And literally our heart's desire and to live out of that. Fear. Yeah.
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What Katie, what is the uh secret to your long incredible relationship with Steve?
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Oh, he How did you guys find How did you guys find each other?
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How did you guys know that you were right for each other and how did you He he he is He's better at telling the story, but but um um my um um a a friend of mine said that I just needed to meet him and um and that um he's the one person in the world that could write um um my book Loving What Is.
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And um and uh oh gosh, how do I tell the story? He's so good at it.
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Um you know, the bottom line Oh, this sounds this sounds so He asked me to marry him and I didn't know why not.
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And that's the truth of it and I asked my three grown children, do you have do you have a reason why I shouldn't marry Stephen, and they didn't have one, and I didn't have one.
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And what I knew of Stephen is he is good and kind and wise, and there just was no reason in the world not.
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But when you have a perfect life, when you're never lonely, let let's say I'm I'm always alone and never lonely as far as people go, um I don't need anyone.
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And and I married him, and he I mean, just he is just so completely lovable.
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And dear and kind and and I'm just I don't know how the how this story sounds, but um who wouldn't love that? Absolutely.
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You know, it's goodness and kindness and fairness and brilliance and oh, the you know, all the things.
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I um in my life before the work, the opposite would attract me.
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Um looks and the real man and the the the you know, all the the the usual usual.
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And um I didn't do well in those areas.
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It's that's such a powerful point.
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I'm so glad you raised that because what we're attracted to is also what we're thinking and believing. Mhm.
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And so sometimes when we say, well, this is my type or this is the kind of guy or girl or whoever it is that I'm attracted to, what we're saying is we think and believe that this will make us happy. Yes.
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That the their appearance, their job, their status, their whatever it may be will make us happy. Yeah.
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And we don't question that.
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We wonder why the person let us down, but it using your methodology, the work, as soon as we go back to what were we thinking and believing at that time, we start to write that what we thought and believed would make us happy is what let us down. Yeah. Not that person.
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Yeah, but we were thinking and believing about that human being Yeah.
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and was the cause of our attraction.
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But once we question what we were thinking and believing about the human being, it loses its validity really and leaves us in an open state of mind where we're more able to see and hear rather than think over. Yes.
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Yes, so well said and that's it's really registering and for everyone who's listening or watching right now, when you when you're listening to this, I really hope that the repetition, every time Katie keeps talking about thinking and believing, what are your thoughts and what are your beliefs?
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If you genuinely revisit those given to a crucial transitionary moments of your life, you you recognize that all of that pain and suffering that you are experiencing or holding on to comes from a thought and a belief that you're still holding on to.
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Sometimes we're holding on for decades to a thought and belief that this person can still make me happy.
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And that's why we want them to be back into our lives.
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We are holding on to a belief that only that job can make me happy or only that thing can make me happy.
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That is a thought and belief and in that thought and belief is encapsulated all of our suffering.
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It's almost taking a suffering pill every day.
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And then when we get that job, we can't appreciate it because we're taking the same same thinking into that job.
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So, really not a lot changes.
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Maybe the money, but that's never enough either.
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Yeah, it's so profound for me.
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It's really hearing you repeat it today and and I've heard it before from you, but hearing you repeat it today and I'm really hoping everyone who's listening is feeling the same way.
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Every time you say it, it's just going to step deeper and deeper and deeper and and into my heart to my heart. So And it does work. It takes stillness.
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It's a meditative practice, you know, sitting in is it true?
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And then having the courage to sit in how do I react?
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How do I treat that person?
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How do I treat myself when I believe the thought?
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And then I get still and I witness.
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And I'm not guessing at how I react and how I treat that person and how I treat myself.
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I'm witnessing real deal.
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And who would I be without it?
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And then I get to see the same situation again minus as I said earlier the post-its I was putting on the event and I get to witness the real world. Absolutely.
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I'm sitting in the old world new.
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It's so and then I have a lot of amends to make, you know, I need to and go back to that person, admit my wrong and apologize, make it right and start start over.
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It's It's a living It's enlightenment has no power until it's lived. Yeah.
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So to live it out, it goes into the identity, the cells of this apparent body and and it's like it it wouldn't overlook anything. Love is a power. It leaves nothing out. So true. So true.
39:52
Katie, I'd like to share these final two segments with you.
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This segment of the interview is called fill in the blanks.
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So I read a statement and I ask you to fill in the blanks for us and we walk through them. So let's do that.
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So my first one for you is thoughts and judgments are and you can fill in the blanks. faults Okay.
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True freedom starts with inquiry. Beautiful.
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Being present means love.
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Most people believe in goodness.
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The work has allowed me to be free.
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Change is hardest when my mind's not open to the world. Yes.
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I have no tolerance for to be continued.
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Uh life will show me what I have no tolerance for.
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You have a beautiful answer.
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I think of pain, but even physical pain is either remembered or anticipated. Yeah.
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That's a beautiful answer. I like it.
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And now I'm going to ask you what is our final five.
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So, this is the final five where you answer and that was beautiful by the way, Katie.
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You answer every answer with one word to one sentence maximum.
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So, these are five powerful questions.
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So, these are your final five, Katie. This is your first one.
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What did you once pursue but no longer value? Power. Beautiful. Second question.
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What do you know to be absolutely true? Nothing. Oh, wow. Okay. Uh third question.
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What do you feel is so right but other people disagree with you on?
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What is something that you know to be true but other people would disagree or debate? That you're beautiful. I love that.
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Okay, question number four.
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If you could create a law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would that law be? Honesty. Mhm. Authenticity. Mhm.
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And your fifth and final question.
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What the biggest lesson you've learned in the last 12 months?
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There's nothing out of order. Oh, wow.
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Thank you so much for watching that video.
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If you enjoyed it, here's another one I think you'll love.
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People behave based on how they were loved and then how they were able to process it that that in a way to love other people.