so a lot of it is also reflective time it's taking time by yourself which i think people sometimes struggle with as well is have you like sat in a room with yourself for a while and spent a day with just yourself what would you really want to do yeah i think a lot of the answers lie right there but it's hard for people to
do hello everyone today i'm so grateful and honored to introduce you to my next guest her name is pail kadakia she's the founder of classpass and the artistic director of the sar dance company and she's a really really dear friend someone that i've known not even for that long but someone who's
become so close and so much a part of my family and someone that i really consider a family member in my life she inspires me in so many different ways i can't wait for you to be inspired by her today she teaches me so much through her example her words the way she lives and more than all of that she just has this beautiful heart
that's really moved by giving and service and i can't wait for you to experience it today so by all thank you for being here i'm so genuinely touched that you said yes to doing this thanks for having me jay you're you're like it's it's so funny when you sit down with someone we're just saying it before we started
as we get older in life and i'm sure everyone who's listening can agree as you get older in life it becomes harder to make meaningful friendships yeah and most of us look back at our teens as being when we made really deep bonds right but i really feel honestly that because of the incredible person you are
you've allowed me to make such a deep friend thank you a short space of time not that we're old no no i sound like an old person now but not that we're old but you have to keep meeting people who i think help you take leaps in life and i feel like you can never stagnant and the people you surround yourself with
are the people who help you do that the most so thank you for everything you've done for me absolutely and today i want to talk about everything you have such an interesting life and interesting mission and just you have so many incredible passions that you share with the world in so many amazing ways so i want to get into all
of it and anyone who's listening if you use class pass you can say thank you to me right now uh well say thank you to pile but thank you to me for and if you haven't heard about hassan dance company stick around because if you like dance if you like expressing yourself an art i can't wait for you to hear about that
as well but pyro why don't we start off by what it felt like to be growing up in the united states as a young indian girl yeah so my parents immigrated here in the 70s and i grew up in a town that actually didn't have many indian people so i was one of two indian people in my entire grade so of 300 people um and so when i
think of that i remember always feeling different and i remember also facing a little bit of adversity because of it but at the same time i also think because my parents had some really good friends and especially my dance teacher who became a really big part of my life she actually started teaching me the beauty
of my culture and i started growing up and doing sort of indian dance on the weekends in the basements of my friends and there was no platform for indian dance so on saturdays and sundays that's what i would do i would go to someone's house we would train in someone's basement and then you know during the week i was like a
normal girl in the middle of new jersey i would have cheerleading practice and i would do ice skating and i kind of had two lives to be really honest i felt like i had this american identity and this indian identity and it really took me until college to kind of find a place where i felt like i could be
really confident in both and i think that was a big part of who i was when i was growing up and were people around you struggling with the same things do you feel like that was quite a common experience or was it something that you felt more of well i think my parents um you know they took a little bit of a of
a risk they put us in a different school system and because of that i didn't grow up in a community where there was a lot of other indian folks so i think like there were towns nearby that had a lot of indian people in it and indian communities where i got to go to on the weekends but my school and my where i was growing up was
still not as diverse and so i think they took the risk because of education of course my parents number one thing to them was education and it was the best school system in my town so or in new jersey at the time so they were like you have to go here and obviously i don't i don't regret that but at the same time
i think i was facing one of those challenges and you know now when i speak with other indian folks i feel like we all kind of can you know remember moments where we felt like you know either some of that racism or felt different or felt unique or felt like people didn't understand where we came from
and uh but i think you know that's what helped me and others build a thicker skin and i actually think what's really amazing right now is there came a point where i think we may have all assimilated because we couldn't deal with it and now we are all really getting confident and wanting to express where we came from so
i feel like we're all going through that together and i'm seeing so many south asians sort of really start sharing you know who they are where they come from through art through messages and i think it's just really important that we do that so we remember who we are yeah that's beautiful
and i and i couldn't agree more i think it's nice that it's organically coming out yeah as opposed to being forced or pushed or contrived it feels like it's organically coming to the surface yeah and i think um we all you know and i think with saw in particular you know i think everyone approaches it
in a different way i think you know for me it's like how do we just share more beauty and hope and the you know unbelievable values of the place where we came from absolutely and you talk so much about in our personal conversations about how your parents like instilled such beautiful values into you your mother's role in your life tell us
a bit about that because i do feel that we sometimes live in a culture today and sometimes conversations and neither is right or wrong but a lot of us today question how our parents raised us yeah and wonder if they got it right or wrong well going back to what i was saying and i'm even just thinking about this like
my parents kind of always took risks i think when i was younger like the fact that they were like we're gonna go to this town i mean even for them they had no indian community or friends when they went there but they were like this is the best thing to do for our kids for education right i think they kind of instilled these really
interesting values of me of if you want to do something you do it you work hard and you know you don't accept the world for what you think it is at the moment change the world if you have to and my mom in particular i mean i remember growing up i mean my dad worked during the day my mom worked every night you know they
literally were always you know working making sure that my sister and i were you know doing well at school getting to activities i mean they never once and obviously like when we were growing up like we didn't actually have much like thinking about back to it i realized like my parents were you know it was like
we were living not paycheck to paycheck but pretty close to it and the fact that they did everything to make sure that we lived a life and didn't really even know or see that but at the same time the reason they didn't want to and i remember like there were points in my life where i was like mom like should we
be cleaning doing the dishes all this stuff my mom's like only if your homework's done because like it was so important to them to make sure that we spent our time getting a good education so when we grew up we could live a great life yeah i remember that too yeah i feel the same it's it's so interesting how that indian
mindset of the south asian mindset is so strong yeah regardless obviously my parents were in london yeah it's the same exact training that i had since i was young it was always about education education it's always about working hard and i'm looking around at these guys wondering if they are the same but it's
yeah and the aging it's such a strong asian value yep to work hard yeah i think it's i think it's you know one of those things that were i don't know it was just something that you don't question it you know like you just you just get the job done you know even till this day my mom if there's something i need from my dan
show to work she'll be the first person she's in her late 60s she'll be the first person to show up stay up make sure it gets done and i i think it comes down also being responsible like i you know it's if someone asks me to do something they know they'll get a good job and and i'll finish it and i think that also
comes from it this idea of like i said yes and i'm going to do 150 and show you that i you know that it's going to be worth it yeah how did that sculpt your dreams and aspirations at that time in your life yeah and how did that change yeah and you know i i would say like i had a second mother in my life who was my
dance teacher and um you know i think when you're really young and you have like a coach in your life like any you know any young person probably had whether it's on a sports team or music or anything um i always feel really grateful for that relationship with like some sort of teacher mentor um but because she was also so close to
my family my mom like she also was more than a dance teacher to me she was like you need to be valedictorian you need to do this like in an interesting way where i also believed her in the sense i was like yeah like that what she's saying is like what i want to get to and she taught me this interesting
way of doing it and i always remember with dance you know like i would come go to a practice not be able to do the step i would practice it over and over and over again and i'd show up the next week being able to do it you know and i think i learned this idea of self-discipline at a really young age which was
okay like i need to block my life and my time to rehearse something if i want to get to do it it's not like no one yelling at you is gonna actually get me there right it was a matter of me going home and practicing yeah and like it wasn't about being nervous or you know it was like that wasn't going to fix it it was
about me focusing and doing it and i think that self-discipline you know taught me a lot of being like if i want to achieve something i just have to like a like block the timeout actually since my earliest memories of this and i live by my calendar i would write down and i actually just saw i went home you know in
in the uh spring and i my mom and i were going through all my like agenda and like you know how we have those like what were those called the cat like the calendaring uh like you have a daily calendar right and then you write down like your subjects and your own work sure uh planner a planner yeah it was like a weekly planner
and i from that time would be like okay one hour math homework one hour like like english homework one hour and i did that at a really young age and it's funny because till till now i kind of do that right and i think of even what class pass has become and it's this it's this idea of if i do all my work
the extra hours of my life i'll be able to dance and so i was always trying to be so efficient and i like also learn that because i wanted to have the extra hours not to like relax like but to do my passion and i felt like i had to earn the ability and the time to do that because i still i knew i needed to get
an education i knew i needed to like you know do what i had to get done and what i was responsible for but if i got if i could do that quickly i'd have the old like the extra hours of my life to do something i love which was dance which which then has kind of like transferred into your life today but before we get into that
i wanna i want you to actually share with the audience who's listening or watching yeah about your your goal setting oh yeah the way the way you do it because i think it's it's very unique yep i've never seen anyone do it that way before yeah i find it fascinating and i think everyone listening loves practical tools
and tips yep so i'd love you to share that absolutely i mean it's a bit of an in-depth process but i'll walk you guys through the steps really quickly um the first thing i do is i reflect on the past year and i write down five words whether they are like feelings or tangible you know nouns that you feel like really
really describe the past year and they can be anything from like anxiety to love you know just kind of emotions and then i ask people to think a year from now and write down the five words they want to be writing down if i ask them the same question in a year and the reason i do this is because i always feel like people are like i
don't always know what happiness or success or achievement means to them so and usually it's a feeling it's how do you want to feel because that's like the only thing we can really hold on to because everything else is really is pretty transient and so um i make people always think about that i do it for myself
as well of like what's the emotion or the feelings i want to really define the coming year by and once i have those i do a time diagnostic i truly believe if you want to change something in your life the only way you can do it is by allocating time to it or changing something around with time is without
time you're never going to have the time to work on it and so um i write down all the areas of my life and then i even even new areas of my life if they might not be on there and then um i rate each one of those areas of my life according to the five words i've said for the year right so i give up like get a work or
get a number from one to ten and then i force myself for the next three months to circle the three to five areas of my life i'm gonna focus on and so whatever areas those might be and those are dependent on like the rating i gave it plus like how it'll help me get to the emotion i want and then i write down
three to five goals in each one very specific like tangible goals that i can cross off and do and i do this in all aspects of my life and the reason actually i started doing this is because i think being this self-disciplined deficient person my whole life like i was pretty you know obviously i'm type
a like i you know i knew if i put some goals down i could achieve something and it's because it was how my brain worked uh and i realized that i wasn't always doing that in all aspects of my life whether that was in my personal life health like any of those things and i was like why don't i apply the same mechanism of
wanting to you know and once again achieving success to me isn't achieving something per se it's about where do where how does it feel today and how do i want it to feel in the future and if i can like put that plan together in place i'll get there so that's where it started and i started this process about
five years ago and um yeah i have a spreadsheet and i i always you know i don't look at it daily but i look at it like every few weeks and it sort of keeps me on track and i think the most important thing i learned from it is to not feel guilty about the things that are not on the list because those are
the things that usually end up taking up our time and taking you know me away from those amazing things that i want to achieve in my life yeah absolutely get your notebooks out guys no thank you for sharing that i think it's such a practical method yeah and i feel like so many of us today like you said we struggle with what success or
happiness looks like totally we have a very abstract view of what we want next year to be like right so i think this is a really i i think people are going to really benefit it's like even in like the word love or something for example it's almost like well what do what are you how are you defining love and like what
does it feel like to you and if you put the right intention out there of what you want love to be like it might help you find the right partner in life or some you know or wherever you want to go and i just think it's all about the emotion and the intention versus like the idea of it yeah yeah absolutely and the other thing
i wanted to pick up from what you were saying before was so one thing was goal setting the other thing was mentorship yeah you spoke about the value of mentors yeah and i'm gonna give a shout out to my mentor if you're listening i'm sure you're not but uh mr buckeridge was my art teacher in school okay from the ages of 11 to
18. and this man changed my life first of all i was a rebel at school i was the worst i was the one at least you don't know about me yeah i've never told you that i've kind of been holding this farming back no okay i was the worst kid from 11 to 18. not grades wise in terms of just being a rebel troublemaker
yes yeah and even worse i was suspended from school three times what yes and and asked to leave by my school but mr buckeridge was one teacher always stood by me never judged me he but the most important lesson he gave me is every time we'd do any art whether it was collage whether it was graphic whether it was
charcoal fine art whatever it was yeah no matter how good it looked his question was always why did you do that he'd always be like why did you do that why did you put that color next to that color why did you use that brushstroke versus this one and he'd ask me why why why why and sometimes i was i loved art growing up
and i i'd be like my work looks great and someone else's doesn't but they'd get a better grade because they knew why and he wasn't based on the aesthetic he was always basically so even if my work and he kept asking me that and it took me years to recognize when he had coached me in always looking at the meaning and the
why without me even knowing and i only realized that probably like 10 years after or something i don't even think i got it at that time at that time i was just trying to get a good grade right whatever he told me but i i'm sharing that because wow a because i think mentors don't always come in the most
like they're not like a box it's like yeah so i wanted to ask you how do you define a mentor yeah and for anyone who's listening how does one find a mentor and what does that relationship look like because you've had mentorship from early on you have mentors now yeah how have you thought about it from your perspective
i think about it as people who are a willing to invest the time in you because i think you know you can't just there there's role models in life and then there's mentors in life and i think in mentorship if there's a give-and-take um right it's not someone you're just looking up to yes um and then the other thing is i
think those people help guide you on a path that doesn't mean they always tell you what path to be on but they're actually just helping you take the leap and take the step i love people who push me into the next direction or next part of my life and i think the best mentors in the world help you
make the decisions you need to take that step once again i don't think anyone can tell you exactly what you should be doing and i think i love having multiple people around me in every aspect of my life like whether it's you know art or whether it's entrepreneurship or tech you know i i want to surround
myself with the best in each and all they can do is give me their thoughts and their advice i still have to be the person who makes a decision to move forward but i think the best people like they help they help guide you there and if you know their guides they're really what they are and like you said sometimes you don't know that people
helped you make a decision and when in hindsight you're like wow i would have never been there if it wasn't for that person and that's why i think it's like it has to be someone you're willing to be vulnerable with because i think if you don't you know people like that need to know the truth right they need to know your
true being your true challenges the true dreams you might have and that's the best way they'll be able to give you the advice yeah and your flaws and your mistakes absolutely yeah the patterns of your life like i love it you know even with class past now being you know eight years old it's crazy to me because
some of my first mentors right and i remember i went through a phase where i was like oh i don't know if those people are gonna be helpful in this phase of the company right because things change and there were you know tactical things that changed where i needed like a new set of advisors and mentors but at the truest level
of patterns and you know me question doing anything when it comes to being like here's i have a problem those people are like well you had this problem like eight years ago did you really you know what did you do then and i'm like you're right like i've been here before and i think it's having people like that
who know your gen like your tendencies as a human being are some of the great greatest friends and mentors you can have yeah so a confession i missed the uk mother's day so i'm trying to make up for it on the u.s mother's day which is just around the corner and i've been hearing about this gift that mothers have been calling the best
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gurujis at the end of the day i think you know india has this beautiful value of what a guruji stands for and you know i think it's there's this idea of respect that you have for anyone who teaches you anything in your life like i will always be grateful to anyone who has you know bestowed knowledge on
myself like i just think i think of people like that and you know i think you people always have to remember this it's like the whole values of like i remember in dance it's like you show up on time you come in you know you pray you you make sure your hair is done like there's no nonsense in that you know it's like and it's not because
it needs to be all formal and serious it's because you're doing it out of respect and i think like those values are things that you know i feel like i carry with me today and actually i always think about this with class fast too because i respect the teachers on our platform so much like the model is like
actually set up to be like of course for customers like you know they love being able to try all these new things but on the other side you have this teacher who is now has this gift to be able to share to more share more people and i think that's what's so cool is like we're helping more teachers in the
world reach students mm-hmm absolutely i love yeah was that really really worth it and and obviously so i'm i'm kind of going in chronological order and yeah go for it and pulling out things because there's just i when i was thinking about interviewing you i was like i can't actually skip any bit of this
because i feel like i mean everyone's story adds up to who they are yeah but yours is just like there's been so many interesting decisions and choices and intentions i believe how that's how life honestly i never want to stop you know even today when people are like oh so like you've succeeded i'm like i hope i haven't yeah
like like what are the next series of crazy decisions i still have to make in my life i never want to feel like yeah why would you ever want to have a part of your life not be some something worth telling that's for crazy people like us exactly exactly i i can still relate to that i love it and i love looking at you as a
role model in that space because it's so easy for like you said it's so easy and and i think that's part of the challenge that the fact that we're even asking you asking individuals like yourself and saying oh so you're done now you've made it yeah it just shows what we believe is the end too it's a reflection of our own
limit right on what making it is right and i'm glad that you're you're you're redefining that and defying that limit absolutely so yeah but okay so my question was you went to mit you went to bain yes how difficult was it to leave bain to then start a company like how difficult was it because i feel
again so many people listening yeah either want to be entrepreneurs which we'll get onto but or want to break away from their corporate nine to nine yeah whatever it is today yeah but how difficult was it for you and why was it difficult or easy well it's you know one of the interesting parts is
the i remember this feeling i got uh so we always have like performance reviews at bain and of course like in corporate america it's like performance review i have to do well and obviously i'm a type-a person i always do well and i remember i it was one of my last reviews before i had left and it was like it was a good review but
like i remember one of my one of my bosses being like well i think i had by the way like left to go do a performance in the middle of a client meeting so i also understand where it was coming from i think like they had said something to me like oh we just don't know where where you want to
go and if you're serious about this and like no one's ever said that to me right because i just i'm like oh i can always fake it and i'm like wait a second and at first i was like wait i'm gonna do so much better and prove to them how great i am and you know and how much i want this and then i had to have the conversation
with myself and be like kyle do you want this and i very quickly realized that no it wasn't the path i really wanted to be on now before i went and started a company there was actually a three-year period in the middle i wasn't fully ready to take the leap so i i always consider this like a mini leap i took so i went and got a job in
the music industry so still could you know pay my bills like figure things out my parents didn't you know weren't ready to to like shoot me in the head for doing something crazy um so i got a job in the music industry and on the side i started building my dance company and this was an important time in my life
because what it did is it allowed me to start taking some risk without fully like being you know fully diving into it and i i know like you know some people be like you have to rip the band-aid off and do it and i think that works for some people i actually am really glad at this phase of my life like i took a second to
figure this out because i didn't know i mean at the end of the day i didn't know what saw was going to be i didn't know you know classified hadn't really come to me at that point i wasn't even fully dancing in that way so um i i decided to leave bain i started this job um i worked in the digital strategy
group at warner music group i mean it was an amazing time in the music industry i mean i got to work with like daniel eck at spotify and got to see like licensing happen at youtube we tried to go dark on youtube all these things were kind of happening at this time because it was the first time people were putting music
online digitally and so that was an amazing time but i really started feeling like my artist side at this point so every night i got together some of my best the best dancers i knew on the east coast we started dancing in new york city and we would perform on the weekends and this is when saw started and i just remember you know it was the
feeling of i could put something together i could get people to come and attend so we sold out a major show at like at alvin ailey i had a thousand people come to it i wrote my own my like money down of thirty thousand dollars to get this theater and i was starting to take these risks right and i was once
again i had a little bit of cushion while i was doing it which was good but it taught me so much about myself and i think every step of the way i just got more and more confident that by the time you know i was ready to take the leap the only last part of it was my parents and i remember it was thanksgiving so
just about let's see eight years ago i went home for thanksgiving and at this point like i had built the dance company my parents were proud of me i had people like you know mir and i are and like you know the new york times people endorse us so i think my parents were like okay you know you this is this is good they still didn't
want me to dance full-time per se but uh my mom looked at me and i was really unhappy and so this is actually people like never realized why i was unhappy at the time when i really think back to it i was once again living two lives so at work i was like this analyst and i felt like i wasn't really going anywhere
with my career and then i also wasn't gonna go anywhere with dance at that point so i just felt like both roads were like kind of at their ends and i was like where am i gonna go and i needed to find some inspiration i actually went out to san francisco for a friend's birthday party and i met all these entrepreneurs there
were no entrepreneurs in new york city eight years ago like that at least that were in my front circle and i remember looking at like what they were doing and i remember asking them like you do this full-time like it was just this foreign concept yeah and i started thinking what if i could do this what if i could
be an entrepreneur i am like i knew i was creative and i built my confidence up from building saw that i was like i can lead and so i gave myself two weeks to think of an idea and this was on a sunday and on tuesday i was searching for a ballet class online and i you know i started sort of looking
around being like what technology exists for people to find classes and stay connected to their hobbies and that was sort of the point when the idea of class pass it was called something else before that but um kind of came to me so i had that in the back of my head when i went home from things for thanksgiving
but my mom was the one who ultimately told me to quit and you know being who my parents are uh always you know work hard and all of that and education it was a really important thing because i i wanted to make sure they were they were okay with the decision and i think my mom looked at me and she just was like you're gonna do great at
anything you decide to do in your life because she knew she knew i had this self-discipline and i at that point like this idea of doing well was like on my own terms like she even when i was at college would call me sometimes to be like can you please go shopping like get out and stop working but i just like
i said i loved working because it gave me freedom to do other things in my life and i still feel like that like being smart gives me gives me freedom it gives me the ability to even like to control the way i want to present my art or present my work right i don't want to do it on anyone else's terms
yeah that's so beautiful and i love that and i'm glad that you're so clear about that yeah because i think some people we can get lost in working for work sake yeah we're working because we have to yes you're like no i'm going to work hard and be smart so that i can absolutely you mile my attention 100 it's it's to me it's like
it's given me being smart has given me given me the opportunities right and at the end of the day i worked hard to be you know it's like getting an education all of that but you know it's it's not an education for education's sake right it's like it's like this idea of wanting to solve problems and working hard has is it's
what liberates me it's what whenever i feel like i can't achieve something like you know at the end of the day like i don't have to rely on anyone i love i love working with people but at the end of the day i know i can rely on myself too and that to me is like one of the best freedoms you have to be able to say
yes to any of your dreams yeah and this leads perfectly on to our next point which you just brought up there i'm gonna tee it up with with something personally that happened to me recently i was speaking at a conference to a group of entrepreneurs who will have successful growing businesses uh not in the line of
huge global businesses but personal business yeah so i personally was and the big question was around social media and branding and using social media as a vehicle for growth and i always start with this disclaimer that i did not start with on social media right to build a brand or a business like that
was not my goal i used social media because i had a message that i felt was important to share right and it was always about the message it was always about the mission and i actually thought i was going to work a full-time job and make videos on the weekends right and just happy that a few people would see them like that's
genuinely how i'd imagine my whole life and so i always start with this disclaimer that my intention and my mission was never to build a brand or a business based on my teachings or my thoughts not my teachings but my teachings i've been inspired by from others and that i've articulated differently or repackaged or
uh re-shared right and so one thing i know in our conversations and even though i've heard you say in interviews and i've read you say i want you to really have an opportunity here to unpack it like the intention of being an entrepreneur like the mission of of why class pass exists and and the heart of who you really are which is
what i'm in love with yep i want you to share that and talk through that with the audience listen carefully guys so you know i think the biggest thing you could do in life is have a purpose right and i think when you have that purpose and you spend your life achieving that that to me is like how life should be
set up and therefore to me that's also how entrepreneurship is because at the end of the day as an entrepreneur you're solving a problem you're solving something that doesn't exist in the world right if it already existed fine i mean you can copy stuff and replicate it but that's that's a different type of entrepreneurship
i think you have to make sure that the why behind starting your company putting out anything you might want messages you know products anything comes from a really deep place and while what i call champagne problems or you know the the things like false indicators of success are sometimes things that we can
all get behind so things like social media followings even the amount of funding a company has raised those things aren't necessarily indicative of you having solved the problem and i think for all entrepreneurs it's what problem am i solving and ideas are great but i you're probably going to go
through a lot of ideas to figure out actually how to answer that problem and come up with the solution but you have to be really fixated on solving that problem and you know for class past the sake when i started the company i wanted to just get some i wanted to build a search engine right because i was struggling with
finding a ballet class so it start it simply started as okay let me build a search engine then people will get back to their hobbies right and you know when i first started i may have not even known the ultimate the ultimate mission and vision and it's kind of come to me over time as i've had this
unbelievable opportunity and privilege of seeing what my customers love that being said it did come from this idea in me that i always felt really lucky to have found dance at a really young age and i wanted other people to feel something like that and i you know even in my six years before i you know i was started this company
in those i was always dancing and i would fight to dance like it would be like saturdays and sundays like blocked off to dance i mean i missed so many things that i felt like my friends were doing because i was like i'm gonna continue to dance and i wanted to build something like that for other people
and so and i say that and so the first iteration like didn't work the second didn't work you know third started working and they're still we're still iterating and i i say that because we're just really focused on solving the problem we set out to we're not focused on what our product is today and i i really think like with all the
challenges and everything that happens through entrepreneurship if it's based on anything like ego pride greed you're not going to stick with it and i think it has to be something deeper and so and any of those moments like and i think the most authentic entrepreneurs know what that why is
and they can articulate i mean you feel it in them you don't even need to say it it's like in their entire being and it's the reason they work it's how they work it's how they inspire their team to work it's why people will go and work for them it's it's all tied to one simple thing which is they want to go and change the world
yeah absolutely and i i feel like when you do share that message into everyone who's listening that message is actually what's going to help you figure out whether you're investing your time in the right place because you can know how to get funding or you can know who you need to network with or you can know
the process of coming up with an application or whatever it is all of that system systemic stuff yeah how in the what yeah exactly but without that strong deep why i love what you said you can't be obsessed or fixated on it and that's those two words i feel that you've used are so powerful because if you're not obsessed with the problem
you're going to hit so many little problems on the way they're just going to make you give up exactly absolutely i mean it's it's really everything i mean a startup is like it's like a an infant you know and it needs it needs like you know but then there's something new every single day and you have to be like i'm gonna figure
this out right i'm gonna learn new things to figure this out because most of the times you don't as an entrepreneur you have not done most of the things you're going to be tasked with having to do but you learn and you're you care because you genuinely want to figure it out yeah absolutely let's talk about sar and
creativity okay because i know you're such a creator at heart and that's where class boss comes from which we can go back to as well but it's where sar comes from and you recently launched sign la yep the first time the debut which was absolutely beautiful to be a part of thanks for including me
thank you i felt really special i was like i was just yeah i felt special being involved because i knew how important it was to you so i'm really grateful so thank you thank you i'm so touched to be involved magical day yeah it was it was beautiful and i you know everyone who's listening right now wherever you are in
the world when sar comes to your city you have to go and see it it will come to your city very soon so when it does you should go and see it but i i say this all the time i said it that day i i talk about it when i talk to you and it because it stuck with me because it was so i love clarity i love people who have so much clarity
and when i met you you've had clarity since day one and you've had clouds your whole life but you said to me if you want to understand me you have to see me dance and i was just like wow like this person really understands themselves like no one says like i've never no one said stuff something like that to me before like no
one's ever said to me like if you really want to understand me you have to see me do this yeah i was just like wow okay and and because i was fascinated by you i was just like okay i want to come and see you dance and so tell me about how dance has become such a defining aspect of you yeah and creative aspect absolutely and i
mean we were having this conversation uh this summer and i think it really helped me also realize like what has guided me my entire life and when i think about leading a life of service in some way and i do i think you know people who do wake up every day to want to make the world a better place are
everyone's living in service in a different way and i think about that and i think about what i wanted to give the world right and i think at a really young age when i was five years old and i performed it was probably at someone's i don't know wedding or birthday party while it feels like you know oh okay it
was just a dance performance i think when you're five years old and you know you have 200 people staring at you and all of a sudden you realize that you touched their hearts in some way and you made them feel something and i and i think for me that's what dance is it's a way of expressing and conveying emotion to
people i think i realized wow i can impact other people's lives and i think that is the greatest power any like all of us should realize at a very young age and i think once it's actually like such a it's so powerful that it it's also one of those things which should be really it's like humbling in the sense of being
like we all carry that power and then what are you gonna do with it and i think because i felt that at such a young age i always just felt like i have to make sure i'm giving people and knowing i have that power in me is making me feel like i need to spend my life doing that so i think that's always just been like a
guiding light for me uh throughout everything i've done um what was the question originally what i was talking about no i was just opening it up to talking about how dance yeah so closely linked with you yeah and how creativity comes from yeah and so um you know i think when i danced when i
was younger i learned a lot of folk dancing and i learned these amazing rich stories of the women in my culture and how they would work and i think that was really beautiful while i probably didn't appreciate it when i was younger i really appreciate it now especially being a woman like seeing you know my my mom
my grandparents like just wanting to share their stories you know with the next generation i think is so important to me um and i think that was one part of it and then i think the other part of it it really just came from you know living in america and like seeing the way people moved learning ballet jazz and
all these other styles and wanting to put everything together to also showcase who i was as a human being which was this blend of like having a little bit of the you know the indian side too which i was proud of even though i think it took me a little bit of time to be really proud of it and then also then blend it with this
beautiful like you know sort of more western aesthetic uh which i really love to create like a dialogue essentially and like what i think you know saw really does and it's still evolving it's art it's like we're talking about women freedom our culture in a really profound way and it's so deep you know and when i i i love
creating things that are timeless and i and you know that to me is like one of the most unbelievable words and i think i think about that too when i think of entrepreneurship and anything i do in my life it's i don't want you know us performing to be something that can exist in today i want this to be something that in 100
years someone could watch right or if it was 100 years in the past and it would still be the same emotions of my culture and the beings of how you know human beings might be feeling today and i think that's like what dance can really do is it can it can it just is a way to express what words can't
yeah and you do it incredibly well it's it's not just aesthetically and just i really do feel that the music you choose the composition the colors it when i was watching i originally felt like i was in india yeah and then i felt like i was on a journey and traveling and then there was a time when i thought i was on a boat
and you were crossing the river you know and and by the way anyone who's listening there was no boat there there was no river there there was a you know it was all through dance this journey that was conveyed why is it still relevant to you today why do you think that that culture is still relevant today and and why is
it still important because i'm sure there's a lot of people don't have to be but maybe asian americans indian americans just kind of going like well no i'm defined by hip-hop and yeah what i grew up on it's a great question you know um i think there's just this purity in in our culture and you know it's
something that i think i'm even spending more time on researching myself and you know we it's i mean indian culture is one of the most ancient in the world right so you know i mean and you do this all the time it's like you're trying to take knowledge of lives and lives that before us right so we can almost live better and i
think for for me it's it's showing how while we may be different we're actually all the same and these values that are in our culture whether it be about respect and family and you know have people girls having fun together on a playground in a way which is how we open the show i think it's these are just such human
emotions and we should never forget them and i think they they're they've lived forever yeah and they in a way they're actually beyond culture if that makes sense so i think you know one of the other things i really think about is like i said they're human emotions they they actually have nothing to just do
with being indian but we're just doing them to also remember where we historically came from yeah i love that i can agree with you more i think a lot of what i got to study as a monk as well was so universal right the principles are totally universal totally timeless right not for a particular sect or cast
or background or walk of life and and that's what yeah i think you talking about the human emotions aspect is so significant yeah for its relevance because if you if you made a dance about today yeah in the future it'd be like all of us on our phones it wouldn't be that the right girls aspect playing together etcetera right
no but you know but like i guess it's like how playing is defined you know and in that way and i think um returning back to some of that like you said i mean i think the word universal is exactly right it's it's uh how do you how do we do that and movement is just a really interesting because
it doesn't you don't need to understand the language you know while it's indian costumes and some indian movement and you know indian music i mean we actually had eight different languages through the show i mean so no one actually understood any of it i mean there's times where i don't you know and i have
to spend time researching what the lyrics are to really evoke evoke the the movement of it and i think like indian dance in particular has like has abhinaya which is the expression and and the emotion which you know not many other dance forms around the world have so it's all about storytelling and preserving some of
these stories and so um you know i think it's going to keep evolving and i think it's evolved as me as a as an artist and a human being you know i think like i'm realizing it of the way i want to express who i am and our culture is all evolving as i evolve as a human being as well yeah when i see the facial expressions
yeah they're incredible like the amount of energy that i was projecting off of each of your faces that day i you can't not admire it yeah and it can't not captivate you as in it's just yeah it's it was totally totally captivating like i was i was enthralled the whole time i was just like how do you even do that like
your face must hurt so much you know it's your face you have to practice both in a way but i think um at some point it's so innate and it's so it's just it's coming from our hearts i mean you can't think about it right by the time you're performing at that level it's you know and i think look
i mean you do this with words right like everyone has their way of of expressing who they are and i think it's about finding what it is for you and i think like that i hope all people find their way of expressing like their deepest level as of a human being and it's why when i say you have to come and see me dance is because
i don't think i go to that place to like my truest place as a human being and in any anything else i do yeah and so it's it's like all the colors of who i am it's just you know all the vulnerability all the happiness is like all there like i'm not holding anything back yeah and i think um even you know for me
as a as like a producer i think about how do i create environments so i can also have my artists be able to perform at that level because i want every i mean it's like reaching like an unbelievable euphoria right and it's it's actually like the day after you feel sad because you're like how do i feel like that again because it's such an amazing
endorphin rush but it's coming from such true place yeah definitely there's a beautiful picasso quote that literally sums up everything we're saying and he said that the uh the meaning of life is to find your gift yeah and the purpose of life is to give it away yeah i love it it's just it's so poetically beautiful but it's
it also makes so much sense right that when you use your passion yep in the service of others it becomes a purpose right absolutely and i feel yeah i wish that for everyone listening watching right now and for anyone else as well that just you find your passion and then you use it for everyone else
and that's my like class past why like at the end of the day i think once i felt that i was like how do i have the whole world feel this as much as possible because it's it's like you said it's just it's the only thing that matters and it's it's a gift to each person and i think if you're if every person is able to
find that they're going to be you know 10 times a better person to everyone else right because of knowing that this this exact feeling can exist for them totally totally and that's yeah i'm so yeah i've got some exciting stuff coming out next year that's kind of giving everyone in my opinion the fundamentals of being
able to find that first step i love that because finding out how to use it for other people can become a scale question yeah because you can always use it for just your friends and then you can scale it like you have to the whole world right millions of users etcetera right but but most people struggle at the
first step of just like what am i passionate what do i love like i want to help codify that for people do you have any tips or steps you recommended people because you found you're so young and early and yeah you know but have you ever thought about that i mean i think you know part of and it's sort of built into class past a
bit of like this idea of discovery like try new things because you don't know until you've kind of gotten to that phase and we've talked about this a lot which is people are you have to go you go through different phases right so you're maybe in an explore phase and then you might be in a build phase you might be in a
scale phase um and i think it's a like being able to go through it but make sure making sure that you keep things really um you keep you keep it fresh right and you try new things i was actually just saying this uh just the other day but like when we're younger we're told to do so many different activities
and as adults we somehow stop you know and you know i don't and i just don't believe in that because i think you have to keep your mind and you know body all refreshed and i think when you when you're we talk about like me being able to take a lot of decisions in my life to keep dreaming and to keep kind of shifting into
different places is because i kind of force myself to do that i never want to kind of get stuck in being like this is how my life is defined and especially defined by other people and so i think you have to just keep it fresh but i think the number one thing is like get out of your comfort zone yeah you know because i think you just
don't realize it and then and then if you find something you know it's it's a lot of it is also reflective time it's taking time by yourself which i think people sometimes struggle with as well is have you like sat in a room with yourself for a while and spent a day with just yourself what would you really want to do
yeah i think a lot of the answers lie right there but it's hard for people to do yeah i saw that post on instagram that you did about play right i was reading an article where you said that and that actually really inspired me because i started looking back and i was like where do i still play yeah like a child
and i have to admit this because one of the plays that i remember playing a lot was actually video games i love video games well actually i just like playing football on like fifa it's a huge soccer game all over the world and it's i've lit recently with my business partner he loves it too we literally have all of our business
meetings playing fifa that's so great and it's just because he's one person i can get away with that weird yeah it's just so fun and we do for an hour a week it's great play it's like mindless but i you you reinspired that in me because i was like oh where do i play and i love playing sports as well so
it's making more time to actually play sports and play right and and i just feel like yeah you're so right and the funny thing is that when i don't start taking dance classes or start taking start learning an instrument again both two things which i would love to do a lot of people are like oh my god
you're going through a midlife crisis you know it's it's scene i feel like there's a bit of a yeah not taboo but there is a bit of a like oh yeah what are you going through like is everything okay at home people like also just don't think it's a priority like right you know and it's like even for saw like i think people will be like
oh you're like you dance on the side it's a hobby we were talking about this some of the girls came over last night and one of the girls she has two kids okay and her her husband of all people because we were talking about like what to do with the show and um she was like oh we might tour it
etc and she was like you know she was so surprised because the person who was like you should do it was her husband of all people right because she was expecting him to be like why aren't you home like you take and it was amazing because i think like what he realized was like this isn't just a hobby like this was something great and
i think that's kind of what i think people should do is like and look at the other day if you don't prioritize it no one else around you is going to prioritize it and this goes back to the goal setting and why i do it is it's if it's a priority to me it becomes a priority to everyone else in my life and if i'm not willing to stand up for
it no one else is going to so i do not let anyone make me feel bad for dancing right and when people are like i mean it's crazy to put on a show in the hours i mean we dance from like 8 to 11 p.m at night you know and everyone has other lives and other things no volunteers they all volunteer and you do it because
you're you know like it's a priority at the end of the day and i think like that to me in a way like even when we design class paths like i think about all the behavioral mechanisms that are required to get somebody to say yes because by the way there are a lot of things in our lives that make it very easy to say no right from
being busy to where all these things and and my whole thing is if i make it to serve it to you so easy maybe you'll actually try and say yes and i just feel like the more we can do that in our lives and for for our friends for you know people in our lives is help them fight through those challenges
because we need to keep these passions in our lives like i don't like when people are like i used to be an athlete or i used to be an olympian like i meet people and i'm like what like this like because there that means you would you built something for 20 years of your life like some work ethic some
sense of purpose and you wanted to let go of it and it's okay if you want to change for a little bit but there is something in there there's a reason you worked hard every day to get to such an like a great level and it had to be driven by something deeper so what is that and how do we make sure we replicate that purpose in
your life again even though you might have kids and have a job and everything else going on in your life you still need to keep that in your life absolutely by the way just whenever i'm listening i don't make big business decisions while playing fifa just just putting it out there like in case anyone was wrong sometimes like
i don't know like being creative is sometimes one of the best times totally you can think it's great yeah i mean i i get what you're saying but like sometimes people like things connect in your mind when you let your brain have those moments you know whether it's in class or doing something creative
like you'd be surprised that how much you know the rest of your rest of your mind is working and how much more you're efficient your brain can actually become yeah yeah well especially you were just saying that you take a lot of your calls walking absolutely no reason i'm sitting down right now yeah yeah yeah we should have
done this we should have done it would have struggled yeah exactly but i i don't know i just think better like i i run on the treadmill close to every day and people are like why do you and i also obviously go to class but like my treadmill time is like meditation thinking time like i solve problems and you know what like
i'm off my phone but i like i'm working through stuff in my head i don't i don't just i can't run i'd be i would be like completely bored so i would you know it's all about thinking through really you know things i have to get through in my head and i i'm like you like i don't know
everything has to be thoughtful so it's like even if i'm thinking through like getting a gift for somebody like i have to like i'm not okay with like just being like oh here it's like i need to spend like even if it's like two minutes like it needs the two minutes to think about it yeah yeah absolutely but i love what you
did because obviously you built a huge company and got married too but you never left dance yeah like it because i i feel like when you were building class bus it must have been so easy to make dance not a priority yeah like it must have been so easy especially at the scale and acceleration yeah the focus it must be so easy and so
many entrepreneurs say that that they lost their health when they were scaling a business so they lost their passion and now they're using the money they've got now to go back to their passion etc yeah you just never let go there you know and i'm not gonna say it was perfect like there was definitely times
i struggled and it was um that being said i always remember um being like well i'm gonna forget why i built this company if i stop dancing right and i that's like part of why like i always fought to keep keep it in my life and even actually like till this day and i always love this like my board members have all come and watched me dance like
they will when they even introduce me to someone like of course they're always like me like our founder like you know it's really it's exciting but they'll always be like wait here's a dance video of her you know like they're proud of it too in in in a really special way which makes me feel because that's how
people should be celebrating these things right the these are different types of achievements and accomplishments that human beings have um but at the end of the day like i would lose my why and it would and i i do remember there were times where i stopped and it obviously my team would be like when was
the last time you danced like they would know because my fire and every like everything that got me to like i said fight through the problems i needed to fight through came from always reminding myself of why i started the company which for me lied in dance yeah i love it it's that's the best when you've done it
through that yeah and i will keep you know like i think about you know like having kids or what all the all the things in my life and i just always remember like you know every by the way every show i have after i'm always like is that gonna be my last performance like you always just kind of you know it's this
it is really hard sometimes to work through it you know but i'm like no i'm gonna always do it and every time i do it i'm like ah like this is the greatest feeling on earth like going back to that feeling of euphoria and i think a lot of people have that in their life and even when people like ask i'm sure people ask you
this all the time they ask me this like how do i find my passion whatever it's like when was the last time you felt anything close to that it's probably somewhere in there yeah you know absolutely and it's it's happened in your life right it's like whether and it might have been when you were six but like
when can you go back to that feeling because it's probably tied to that emotion yeah 100 anyone's listening don't stop playing like find your play like make time to play it's a beautiful lesson from pyle it just it's i i think it's huge i i genuinely think it's huge and i remember for me actually before i
started making content and i've been making content since i was 18 which was never video based it was just spoken it was written it was speeches etc and i would just do it because i loved it i didn't get paid for it yeah it didn't it didn't go anywhere i didn't i didn't have any followers i didn't
have any views i was just doing it because i loved it i did it for at least three hours a day since i was 18. and so when i actually started making videos which was the first time i started putting into digital form the reason i did that is because i was working a job yeah and i asked myself two questions and i don't even
know where these came from but they came from i think i used to listen to it and and this is real i used to listen to the steve jobs stanford commencement speech over and over again every single day and it's literally only like 15 minutes or whatever it is but i would listen to it again and again and again and there's so many
parts in it where he talks about don't be trapped by dogma right don't be defined by other people's opinions and those started becoming my voice and then i remember asking myself these two questions one was what advice would i give to my younger self and the answer to that question was my younger self would have never stopped
creating because as a young person i was making i was writing music i was writing songs i was doing a lot of spoken word and rap and i was sad that i gave that up i gave that up i gave up those words as a way of expressing or not that i gave up right actually i never gave it writing but i gave up sharing myself yeah your way yeah like
that right expression yeah totally and the second thing i asked myself was like what will i regret on my deathbed like what will i regret when i'm 80 or 90 whatever age i lived here and i was like i would have regret that i just accepted that to have a good life i had to continue having a corporate job
and that was it and so that was like those two questions just forced me out of that yeah safety net that i was in yep and and that really like pushed me forward so anyone who's listening just know that i mean pile's a huge inspiration i'm just showing my own little in my own little way but yeah
you know it's it's not that it was easy for you and i think i think a lot a lot of people may may hear and just be like oh but you're really smart and you've always been smart and you found your passion it sounds like you know you're super well i think that's like another important important let's talk about
that yeah that's funny my husband always like brings this up you know he's always like like i've worked hard my entire life like i spend my i spend i'm always working i'm always thinking i'm always trying to learn and i think in in and i think of play like i mean i kind of i was just talking about this like
i tried to get my work done as quickly as possible and like do it well and i would at even at mit i'd be like pile you have to get straight a's if you want to continue dancing i put that on myself okay and i say that in the sense of i felt like i kept having to earn the right to play because look i also believe like look
like you need to have a good head on your shoulders like to have to do a lot of the stuff i even do now with the art and stuff and not be able to you know look you need to know how to like you have responsibilities pay your bills all those things like if you can't do those things like you your life might end up going in the
wrong direction for other reasons and you might not be able you know i love being able to say like pursue your passion but i can say that because i took care of a lot of other things and no none of this was given to me my parents didn't come here with anything i had to you know go through and do all my
college applications apply to all the jobs there was nothing ever handed to me i worked for everything in my life and i will continue to even till this day right every opportunity but i i think that's an important thing for people to to know is that and it is possible like anyone no matter where you start and come from
can get there but you have to work hard you need to like continue to learn you know be respectful and at the same time play right but like i said it's like i got my stuff done and then i was like i'm allowed to play and that's sort of how i kept living my life is like little by little i kept giving myself more of playtime
because i felt like i earned it if that makes sense and honestly like i feel as an artist and even doing saw and all that right now like it's an absolute privilege for me and i i say that because i'm like i feel like i've earned this ability to do it but it was through hard work a lot of hard work and that's
you know and still like to do anything in your life or and if i even want to do something new or try to i know i'm going to have to do the same exact i know the formula and the process to go through but it always starts with hard work and i'm so glad you raised that point because i think it's so easy and right
now the rhetoric is very much follow your passion and be an entrepreneur and break out and that is all good advice and it's sound but the realistic pragmatic sense right just hey if you don't understand how to run your business yeah you can chase your passion as much as you want but right you're not gonna be able to do it
long term or if you don't figure out this strategic element no matter how sincere you are and how incredible your work is yeah absolutely and i feel like i'm really glad you raised that it's like having the tool kit a little of like you know and i i think you know i always think about like what did i learn in my life
that got me here they're like actual tangible things yeah i mean and i've been like just like thinking a little bit about it and i think it does come from like surrounding yourself with great people you know like getting a good education respecting others like i think it's like putting yourself like good work out
there all those things are all a part of it and then like this idea of passion leading a passionate life like like i said i think i had to keep chipping at it like it right like i started in kind of the opposite side very similar to you did and we just kind of had to keep chipping yeah to make it a bigger part of our
life and at the same time like i don't know if it was ever like i don't know if you know people always like are like well do you feel like you should have started your company right after college like no i don't regret any of my time in corporate america or doing you know working at in consulting yeah it's because
i think it taught me a lot too and i was while i was there i would did a good job and i learned a lot while i was there like take every opportunity that comes in front of you you know that you're doing for a reason and do it well at least right or don't do it at all yeah and and learn the fact that i mean i
know that the time i spend at accenture i learned so much right and i look back and i'm like i learned so many things about the future of ai and vr and ar and then i focus so much on business and sales and negotiation and just just even basic things like turning up on time to meetings right and and yeah and coming prepared right
and being ready to having to work till midnight if you had to yeah all those sorts of things which i think are undervalued because it doesn't feel what you're passionate about right and even though i wasn't waking up doing what i was passionate about every day it was exactly what i needed to be able to do what i do now
absolutely yeah yeah that's a really powerful message i'm glad that i'm glad that you shared that because it's it's often missed okay i want to talk about one more thing before we end with our final five questions okay it was you've talked about your passion for art but you're also very passionate about women and women in
business and that's something you're a big advocate and ambassador for yeah let's open that up well you know i think uh so much of the world's spend is by women right like women are like the largest purchasers and and i say that in the sense of i think of the potential of the solutions we still need
for things that women you know problems that women have in the world and there's a lot and i say that in the sense of you can really only really solve problems and going back to what i think entrepreneurship is is stuff you've faced in our really passionate basically men are creating the products that women end up buying
sometimes that happens and i think that has been a problem um and i think like that to me is a huge opportunity right of of like what women can build out there and i i see that and i think that's why there's so much potential of what we can all do um you know the other thing i would say is i think everything in our lives that
makes us unique whether it is our gender whether it's our height um being 411 um you know tiny but my tiny bit mighty um you know or you know i don't know i just feel like in every situation you can walk in and people there's this idea of either people are looking at me with doubts or they're looking at me
thinking i'm incredible and it's up to you to walk into the room and believe whichever one and by the way like the more you walk in being like i'm incredible right and whatever however you have to set yourself up to walk in the room and believe you're on that that side of it i just believe it's you're going to be able to
accomplish more you're going to just be more confident you know it's it's one of those it's like actually a self-belief thing and i i really want women to know like they're not at a disadvantage like i really don't i've never felt like i was at a disadvantage and i say that in the sense of from a i you know once again my mom taught me
like if you want to accomplish something in your life you go and do it and of course like there's some stats like we still need to fix like we need we need more women and giving money like there's these things that we definitely need to shift in the world absolutely but at the end of the day i want like i
want women to know that they're incredibly exceptional and they're going to build the next like billion dollar companies because there's billion dollar problems that we need to solve for women yeah absolutely self belief is not that everyone will like me but self belief is i'll be okay if they don't yeah because
i've i've learned to walk in with that myself it's a great way to put it yeah i feel like that with if i ever had a daughter like i think about it through that that's the closest i can connect with the challenge on the other side and i'm right if i ever had a daughter i'd want her to be able to dream yeah of
being a founder if that's what she wanted to do right because she sees role models in that sense right and i wanted to dream of being an athlete or whatever she wants to be yeah because she sees female role models seeing other people who've done it who look like her yeah who who act like her who think like
who came from the same sorts of backgrounds absolutely i think and i think what's great right now and i see it all the time is women sharing how they got there and like their entire life like when i started consulting and i would meet some female partners i didn't know anything about their life like i'm like are you know
are you married are you not not saying everyone wants wants that but i'm like are you gonna like is that the life i want are you happy like any of those things like do you have anything else going on in your life how do you play any and i couldn't see that and i think what's really amazing and i think like
instagram's been great for this or and even i do this like at work it's like sharing more of my life you know with people is important so they realize like yeah like be you know be kick-ass in all that you do but you can also be like a human being and have a family and all those things which i think wasn't always something that we saw
yeah absolutely awesome so my final five okay the final five minutes five questions quick quick questions that i love asking so your number one a number one entrepreneur dance collaboration like if you could if you could do a dance collaboration with any other entrepreneur what would it who would it be
um well i want to dance with beyonce and jlo i'm like i'm just gonna say they're entrepreneurs yeah exactly yeah okay yes there we go we're putting it out to the universe i love it there's gonna be a collaboration one day exactly i love it uh how do you play apart from dance how do i play a part from dance yeah or
does there need to be another one is dance enough no i mean i think you know for me going to class is a huge thing i also like i i love movies like i love going to see movies i know we've gotten to see movies together all the time like i don't know i love seeing like other people's creativity like that's a great way
i play is like you know whether it's going to see shows whenever i love being inspired by other people that's a great answer we saw a star is born and released yes so good so good yeah now i agree with you i so agree with that i literally watch movies to get inspired exactly it's like it's playtime in a
different way you know yeah exactly okay the best advice you ever received the son i will my father i think uh you know he always uh and he still says this it's you know the only thing consonants change so you have to always remain adaptable oh i like it yeah adaptability yeah in every way one of the hardest skills
yeah it it i mean i think we crave as human beings we crave security and sometimes you know finding the sense of like even this idea of home and what that is but at the end of the day i think you have to kind of always realize like life's always changing and that's okay yeah this one you can give a bit more of
a longer answer but it's about you know what's next what are you building what's exciting what's you know whatever you want yeah i mean so many things i mean class fast just launched it like internationally and we're continuing to launch it's amazing more places um and i think with that i think what's really cool is you know
the vision of classfast and i've been talking a lot about time of course it started with fitness classes but we obviously like the vision and everything i'm talking about has to do with much more than just going to a fitness class and it's you know people being able to go to more experiences this idea of
playtime is even going to see a show right or doing other types of classes and photography and you know cooking or other things that people are passionate about it's the same thing i feel in dance but i think other people people feel doing other things um so we continue we will continue to expand categories
which we're excited to do like the vision of the company for me has always been this idea of a life pass where we're the destination for all your exciting free time yeah um so that's really exciting and then um you know continuing to dance i think you know for me and doing the show which we just had a few weeks ago here in l.a
was like another another you know i hadn't put work out there actually in a few years personally and so just putting work out there as an artist i think it just opened my mind up to so much more art i want to create with dance for my culture for women for for you know this idea of of freedom
and equality that's needed in the world today amazing and in the future when you'll be invited to give a mit commencement speech uh for new grants what will be your advice or message to them rewinding back to yourself being in their shoes in their seats i remember writing my mit essay on how my life revolved around the number two
like literally i was born on february 2nd and i think i always had like two identities yeah and my my screen name was pile two to two um so i think it there was like this idea of numbers that was was very uh a big part of my life but let's see what would i tell them oh my god i think i think i would you know i think my
biggest message for people is to live life on their terms and i think as you graduate i think you spend some time about learning about what everyone else wants you to do and i think that's fine like i like i said i don't i don't regret those times it's about knowing when to get off the train and to start you know walking your own
journey and i just hope everyone starts walking their own journey at some point right and the train is empty at the end i love it yeah thank you kyle absolutely that's amazing you're incredible your answers anyone who's been listening today i love the fact that we talked about entrepreneurship we talked about dance
we talked about creativity we talked about purpose intention and mission we talked about women in business you know we've talked about so many things but what i love about you is that you're someone that i can go from being philosophical to being really practical with yeah and we can go from being really like
okay how do we break that down right like let's get our head up in the clouds and dream yeah and i love yeah thank you for being such an amazing friend thank you for being in my life don't ever leave yeah and uh yeah thank you so much for doing this i really hope people are gonna learn a lot from it thanks for sharing these stories
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