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You seem like a grinder.
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When you were building these businesses, were you just like uh doing 80-hour, 100-hour workweeks? And what about now?
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Because you're like yoked.
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You're a huge You look like a bodybuilder.
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So So, like, how did you balance like uh being fit and getting married and you but I don't know you well, but you seem like you'd be grinding hard.
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So, my wife works in the business with me.
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So, we are true 50/50 partners. Like it's very rare.
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I like I recognize how rare it is.
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She actually is 100% matched with me.
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And like she just as much be on this call because she runs the other half.
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Like she from a work standpoint, she has more output than I do. Um she is the operator.
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So, she builds the infrastructure, she does the recruiting, she sets the They are the HR stuff, she does the culture, she like she does I mean, she runs everything.
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Um I just, you know, occasionally come up with a good idea and and try and stick with it long enough um to see it come true.
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But in terms of grinding we This is what we Like I love business. Like I love this.
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And there's nothing that really stimulates me like this.
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And so, I do as much of it as I can.
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And if we want to go out to dinner, we go out to dinner.
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You know, but like we're we're I was going to say we're single. So, we don't have kids.
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And so, we work from like 5-ish to 4-ish, you know.
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Um and then, you know, usually in the middle of the day, we'll probably go to the gym for an hour or two and then come back and keep working and go out to dinner at night.
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And that's That's kind of our lives.
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You seem pretty um This isn't I would say I'm a little bit I'm I'm definitely this Shawn has a little bit of it, too.
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Like manic's not the right word, but like neurotic maybe is a better word.
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Um where it's like uh You're You're There's something that's deep-rooted inside of you that's kind of it's not like you want to do something necessarily it feels like you're it's more compulsive or obsessed you're obsessed about stuff which I am as well.
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Where if that's true what's that rooted in what are you trying to get done?
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So I think originally the drive was from just crippling insecurity and needing approval right and then I think from like a behavioral conditioning standpoint I got immediate feedback that was positive and then I was conditioned to continue those actions now I continue to do that without the original catalyst that got them going to
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begin with so I don't I don't think I suffer you know from the insecurities as much as I used to I'd say I'm probably 30% better than I was at the beginning and it might just be because I have this massive big pile of money that I can use as an emotional crutch to why I'm not a piece of [ __ ] That would help. being like I mean and if it were all
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being like I mean and if it were all disappeared I'd find out how much actual growth I had or if I just compensated by circumstance and you know compensate for the deficiency I don't know.
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You can send it to me and we'll find out we'll see.
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I let's run the experiment.
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I like So there's the compulsion and like this last year I pretty much took off like I did not work that much.
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And so I saw the difference and like I have I have come to accept that I love working and I don't need to judge myself for that or or take in other people's judgment on how much I should quote do.
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Like this is my life and this is what I like doing and their ideals that they've arbitrarily made up as what they define as balance are irrelevant to me.
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You said you took last year off what you do? What you get up to?
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We went out to dinner every single night to a five-star restaurant for for seven straight months we went to I mean we we we went to Vegas temporarily we traveled a lot went to Cabo went to Scottsdale went to Sedona went to Flagstaff, um traveled all over, um went out, did did stuff, um felt felt honestly pretty empty.
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Like, you can only eat so many times.
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Like, there's just not a lot to do.
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Um It feels good having that rest though.
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I mean, when I sold my company, which was a year ago last week, the first six six months I was like, I need to decompress. It felt good to have it.
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And then and then I was like and I'm in that phase now where I'm like, all right, now I'm ready for war again.
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You you can't like I I like you can't be in the trenches I think like or rather you need breaks from from being in the from being at war.
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it it maybe even phrasing it I'm just throwing this out there like phrasing it is instead of a like a break is a shift in how you're thinking cuz like it's really like it's going from dirt to clouds, but I still think it's high-leverage activity, you know what I mean? Or like output.
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It's just a different type of output.
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You said something on one of your videos that you're one of the only other people that I have heard say this phrase.
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I use it a lot, which is yeah, I had a season like or this season I'm doing this or I had a season where I was really just focusing on X.
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And that's been like a game-changer for me.
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My my personal trainer and kind of coach, he's like my mindset coach plus trainer, he does this all time where he's like he's like, I'm I'm in a season right now where I'm I'm just he'll be like, you know, I'm I'm practicing not waiting.
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And then he's like he comes up with these little themes or he'll be like, right now I'm in a season where I'm going to eat whatever I want.
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And it's kind of like in the entrepreneurial world it's like time boxing.
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So you're like, I'm going to give myself 2 hours to get this [ __ ] [ __ ] done or I'm going to launch in the next 2 weeks no matter what, right?
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Like we I've used time boxing for productivity and now this seasons thing it makes every like decision you're making less heavy of a commit because you're like, it's okay.
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Yeah, there's there's beginnings and ends and this a season is going to feel a little different just like winter feels different than summer. That's how I use it.
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Do you do you use it like that?
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I just noticed you said that phrase. 100%.
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Yeah, and maybe it's a fitness thing. I have no idea.
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Um I Yeah, I I have no ownership of it.
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Yeah, I mean I I think about it in terms of entrepreneurial seasons.
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And I at least for me might have been like five-year chunks.
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And so this is going to be my fourth season.
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They've roughly been about the same length.
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So I think that it probably takes me like three-ish years to like really see something through and then two years to figure out how I'm going to transition from that thing or realize or monetize you know whatever.
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That's what I It's kind of like a P-cycle almost.