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Hilary: What's happening to me, right now, it's like a hole, hell hole.
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Sean: Hey, what's going on, everybody?
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For <i>First We Feast</i>, I'm Sean Evans, and you're watching <i>Hot Ones</i>.
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It's the show with hot questions and even hotter wings.
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And today we're joined by Hilary Duff.
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She's a singer, songwriter and actress who's been a cultural staple for decades.
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And she's back with her newly released acclaimed album "<i>Luck...
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or Something</i>", and gearing up for her first world tour in 18 years.
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Be on the lookout for the "Lucky Me" tour, coming to a city near you, including Madison Square Garden this summer.
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Hilary Duff, welcome to the show.
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Hilary: I'm so excited to be here.
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Sean: How are you around hot sauce? Before we get started.
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Hilary: I'm good around hot sauce.
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I don't recognize any of these.
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Probably they're not, you know, kitchen staple for me, but I do have at least ten hot sauces in my refrigerator at all times.
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Sean: So, we have a good foundational... Hilary: Base.
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Sean: Yeah, we have a good base to build on.
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Are you ready to get started? Hilary: Yeah.
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But I'm not trying to be too cocky.
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I'm terrified for what's about to happen.
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Also, just this aroma of, like, spice is... it's strong right now.
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So the viewer knows, like, it's also in the air. Sean: Cheers. Hilary: Cheers. Hilary: Mhm. Very good. Little sweetness. Little kick. Nothing too serious.
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Sean: So, I'd imagine that it's kind of a trippy experience to create a set list for a new tour featuring songs that you wrote more than two decades ago.
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Has there been a funniest or most sentimental moment in rediscovering the bops of your past?
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Like, I'd imagine, in some ways, it's like reading an old diary.
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Hilary: Well, we don't have to pretend that you haven't seen embarrassing things about me on the internet.
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So, you know, there are certain songs that the fans are, like, really fighting to be heard, and some of those include "<i>The Girl Can Rock</i>", "<i>The Math</i>", some real deep cuts that I don't know if I can embody anymore, but I might try.
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Sean: But, darn it, you'll try. Hilary: I am.
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Honestly, I've had so much fun going back into my catalog and being like: "I want to do that one. I want to do that one.
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I can't ever do that one." .
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Um, and I don't wanna say never, 'cause, you know, anything goes and I get to drive the ship.
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I took two bites, my friend. Sean: You know what? Then I gotta join you. Hilary: I think you do.
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Sean: I gotta stay on the pace.
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Hilary: Are we going in for number two? Sean: If you're ready. Hilayr: I am.
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Sean: So, up next, is a pickled garlic sriracha.
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Hilary: Give me anything pickle. Sean: Whoo! It's your favorite. Hilary: Love a pickle. Mhm. All kinds. I love that.
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Again, there's a sweetness.
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Sean: Pickly enough for you?
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Hilary: I could use a little more pickle.
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Sean: All right, we're taking the notes.
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Hilary: Did you take two bites? Sean: Both sides. All right?
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I'm dancing with you, Hilary. Hilary: Okay. All right. I like that. That's good. Good flavor.
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Your eyes are getting a little glassy. Sean: Ooh, I like this. I like this part. I like this part.
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All right, I'm just gonna try to keep up with you over here. Okay?
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But I'll make it if you can.
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Hilary: Just tell me if I have anything on my face. Okay?
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Sean: I will, I got you, and same for me. Okay? Hilary: Okay.
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Sean: Is there a song of yours that bangs hardest in a live show setting?
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Like, is there one that you can always depend on, like a comedian who keeps a joke in their back pocket for when they need to turn the room?
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Hilary: Luckily, I have a few. Not to brag.
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I'm gonna say "<i>Wake Up</i>" always slaps.
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And then I get to lean on "<i>What Dreams Are Made Of</i>", which takes everything.
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Sean: It's nice to have that. Yeah. Hilary: Yeah.
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You know, I'm a little congested right now, so I'm looking forward to this being like an opener, which I know is coming for me. Sean: Oh, okay.
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Hilary: I'm a little worried about the snot situation.
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I'm starting to run, but it's not... my mouth's great.
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Sean: You're looking good.
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You know I'm, I'm, I'm on it. All right?
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If there's some sauce, if there's something in the teeth, I'll let you know. Hilary: Thanks.
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Sean: But, so far, I'm good, you're good. Hilary: You're good.
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Sean: We can move on to sauce number three, which is a white hot mustard sauce. Hilary: Yeah. I'm getting some heat.
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I'm not gonna lick my fingers on that one.
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Sean: Have you observed anything interesting about the day to day life of chickens tending to a coop in your backyard?
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Like, how would you describe their world as an outsider looking in?
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Hilary: They are simple creatures. Um...
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it's surprising to me how many people don't know that, if you don't have a rooster, you still get eggs.
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Sean: I didn't know that. Hilary: Sean. Sean: What? How does that work? Hilary: Okay.
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The eggs are fertilized if the rooster is not there.
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But the chicken lays an egg almost every day.
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So, we don't have a rooster.
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It's actually illegal where I live to have a rooster, 'cause it's a whole cock-a-doodle- doo thing.
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The thing that's cool is watching them establish their pecking order.
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They can be quite mean until they figure that part out, and then they just exist together. I love having chickens.
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I feel more bad about eating chickens. Sean: Oh, right.
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Like, maybe I should switch the subject real quick. Yeah.
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Hilary: It's definitely getting spicier. So, take another bite? Sean: Yeah. Let's party.
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That's what I'm talking about. Hilary: Mhm. It's good.
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It's not my typical flavor profile, but it's good. I don't love mezcal. Sean: Mm, yeah. Hilary: You like mezcal?
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Sean: This is a smoky sauce.
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I get, yeah, I get that connection.
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Hilary: I'm getting, like, a mezcal vibe.
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Unless it's like a perfectly balanced mezcal cocktail, too...
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it's like a band aid going on. Sean: Yeah, yeah.
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Hilary: You know, like that rubbery... Sean: I...
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now I'm tasting a band aid. Hilary: Yeah. Okay. Sean: Thanks for that.
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Hilary: Well, I'm tasting a lot of spice 'cause of you, so... Sean: That's true. I'll meet you halfway.
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So, forgive me for not knowing, but I was surprised to learn that you're, actually, a <i>New York Times Best Selling Author</i>, having published a supernatural trilogy for young adults. Hilary: Yeah.
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Sean: I'm curious what your bookshelf looked like when you were the age of your target reader?
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Like, were there authors or... Hilary: "Twilight". Sean: "Twilight"? Hilary: "Twilight". It's...
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was the absolute inspiration. Sean: Yeah. Hilary: It's happening.
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Um, it was like Lizzie McGuire for people, for me.
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Like, you were just like at that point in your life and you were like: "Yes! This is just hitting."
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Sean: Somebody speaking exactly to me, directly to me. Hilary: Yeah.
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Sean: As an actress, when you create a series like that, is the idea of adapting it into a TV or movie exciting, or would that puncture the fantasy or your intent in some way?
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Hilary: I think that is always, at least for me, because I am an actress and, like, mostly a TV actress, like, my mind goes TV show. And not, like, no.
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I definitely would, probably, love to still produce a show like that.
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I don't know if I would be in it, but there's just not enough time right now for me. Sean: You're busy. Hilary: Yeah. Sean: You're busy.
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Hilary: Yeah, I'm being, I'm being a pop star right now.
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Sean: And you're halfway through the <i>Hot Ones</i> gauntlet. Hilary: I'm doin' it.
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Sean: The accolades keep piling up over here.
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Hilary: My lips are burning. Sean: Mine, too. Hilary: Okay. Sean: Same wavelength. Same page. Hilary: Okay.
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Sean: This next one is called "Tropical Amarillo". If you're ready.
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Hilary: I feel like the font of this is trying to downplay the experience. Sean: Mm.
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It's undermining the heat. Right.
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Hilary: It's trying to go tropical... like, you know.
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Sean: It's just a fun day on the beach.
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Hilary: We're on the beach. Yeah. Sean: Yeah.
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Hilary: It's probably a dirty, rotten lie. Okay, here we go.
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Okay, I don't like getting a weird bite of chicken.
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It really ruins things for me.
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Okay, I'm gonna try again. It's hot.
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Sean: Yeah, unfortunately, that's how the show is formatted. Sean: You know?
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Hilary: Are you, like, hoping for some water now, or...? Sean: If you are.
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I don't know if you're baiting me or not. All right?
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But I'm ready whenever you're ready.
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So, I've heard you say that when Lizzie McGuire got a locker on the show that you felt like you finally got a locker. Hilary: Yeah.
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Sean: Were there any other kind of normal kid milestones that you experienced vicariously through your character? Hilary: Bra shopping. Bra shopping. Okay. It's hot. It's hot.
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Um, I think a lot of the themes of Lizzie, of the shows, of the episodes, were actually happening in my life as well.
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Social dynamics and stuff within my friend groups outside of work.
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Um, so I'm trying to think of one in particular while this heat is permeating in my mouth.
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Um, it's so nice to hear people's experience with the show or like how it helped them or formed them, whether it be, like, her style or not quite fitting in anywhere.
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And I also, kind of, resonate with that.
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I feel like a very big dork dressed in a cool girl's outfit, a lot of the time.
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I'm gonna try to go really teeth here. Sean: Okay. Me too then. Hilary: Okay.
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Sean: I screwed up on the first one.
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Hilary: Okay, I'm cutting a big bite. All right.
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This is "Homegrown Hell"? Sean: Mhm.
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Hilary: The literal eyes are, like, popping out of the dragon's head, or whatever, yeah.
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Sean: Staring right at you. Hilary: Yeah. Hilary: Mhm.
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Did you take another bite? No. Sean: I did. Hilary: You did? Sean: I did.
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The rabbit's got, the rabbit's got the gun now. Yeah.
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What's it been like being, like, a pop star time traveler and going from the times of, like, TRL and record store visits to then, like, Pop Crave headlines and TikTok trends?
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Like, have you had any kind of, like, pop star culture shock? Hilary: I don't...
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Sean: Jumping back in the pool. Hilary: Yeah.
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Like, the world of social media is a wild like layer to add on top of entering the workspace again.
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The fact that I have many, many memories of being at TRL is a part of my personality. There would be the...
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There would be the same song on the TRL charts for, like, weeks after weeks, after weeks, after weeks.
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And can you imagine kids dealing with that kind of length in this day and age?
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Sean: Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.
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Hilary: They'd be like: "Turn it over."
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, like more, more, faster, more, less of, like, the same, like, you know, now it's just this.
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So, like, there's definitely, like, a part of me that's just a little slowed down and, like, likes living in that part of my past and being old.
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Um, but also, like, loving a TikTok trend. And...
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Sean: You've been busy on it. Hilary: I know, I know. Shout-out, Erin. Where are you? Actually...
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Sean: Erin, in the building, probably phone out, you know. Lookin' at one now.
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Hilary: My hair and makeup also will, they're dear friends of mine and they'll be like: "This is the trend we're doing today."
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, and I'm like: "Okay, I'll do anything." .
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I'm still a child actor inside, wanting to please. I'm going. Sean: I'm going, too.
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Hilary: I got a big bite. Sean: Yeah, I saw that. Textbook.
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Hilary: I got a big bite.
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Sean: Kind of hitting me. Hilary: It is? Sean: At this point. Yeah.
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Hilary: Your eyes are glassy. Sean: They are glassy.
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Hilary: Hey, you wanna go in for some water? Sean: If you... If you do. Hilary: Some whawha? Sean: If you do. Hilary: Okay, let's go. Tricked ya. I refuse. I'm kidding. I'll do it.
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But does it make it worse? Is it spreading it? Sean: No, they say that.
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But, psychologically, I always think, like, the ice water helps.
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But I think it's all psychological.
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Hilary: This one's abusive.
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Sean: Yeah, you might, actually, wanna take a sip. Hilary: Okay.
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Sean: So, I've heard you say that you like your steak very rare.
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To the point that friends won't even share with you when you're having one.
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Can you give us the dos and don'ts?
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The Hilary Duff dos and don'ts of making the perfect steak at home.
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Hilary: So, my mom, I grew up with my mom and dad saying they like their steak to where a good vet could get it back on its feet. Isn't that horrifying? Sean: Yeah. Hilary: I grew... Okay. This is... Sean: Yeah. Hilary: Hot. Okay. Sean: Yeah. Hilary: Um. The... Huh? Sean: The perfect steak. Hilary: Perfect steak.
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Sean: And then be careful around your eyes. Hilary: Yeah, yeah. Sean: You know? Yeah.
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Hilary: Just had that thought, 'cause I was about to wipe. You saw me...
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Sean: I saw it, I saw it... Hilary: ... about to wipe. Okay. Sean: ... and I anticipated.
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Hilary: Um, I'm gonna double tissue wipe my finger, get a little. Okay.
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Um, then I like to salt it on both sides.
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Is this what you asked me my perfect steak? Sean: Yeah. Hilary: Got it. Okay.
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I want my cast iron pan really hot, and I put beef tallow, it's like a butter kind of situation.
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The wheels are falling off and I am just running. Um...
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and I wait till my pan is smoking and I season my steak, and then I weight it with a weight.
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And I do that for like four minutes on each side, take it off, let it rest, slice it.
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Big pinch of salt on top, and we're eating steak.
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This is gonna be the one that takes me down, right?
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Sean: No, nothing's taking you down. Not today, Hilary Duff. Hilary: That's right.
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Hilary: I'm upset, it just touched my lip.
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Hilary: It's mine like...
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I have, like, a slight delay, but it is about to kick my ass.
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Can barely talk through it.
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Sean: Yeah, you can feel it... Yeah. Hilary: Oh, my God. Sean: Yeah.
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Sean: You got the whole team laughing, over here... Hilary: I know. Sean: ... by the way. Hilary: Okay.
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What's happening to me, right now, it's like a hole, hell hole. Sean: Yeah. Hilary: My throat. Oh, my God. Sean: Yeah. Hilary: Okay.
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Sean: Like, you kind of taste the smoke with that mezcaly one.
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Hilary: That's disgusting.
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Sean: And then this one, it just kind of turns you to smoke. Right. Hilary: Holy shit. Okay.
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Sean: So, while you battled "Da' Bomb"...
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Hilary: I think I need milk. Sean: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Hilary: You know I'm getting on a flight after this.
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Sean: I'm so sorry about that.
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I always have to apologize from this side of the table.
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So, while you battled "Da' Bomb", I was hoping that you'd be open to talking about the different eras as defined by Hilary Duff hairstyles.
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Hilary: I don't even know what you're saying right now.
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Sean: I know, but it's all right, because this one has a visual aid.
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We'll pull a picture up over here on the monitor. Hilary: All right.
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Sean: What kind of turning point did the brunet era represent to you?
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Hilary: She was trying new things.
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She was leaving her old self behind.
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And, let's talk about the bouffant. Sean: Yeah.
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Hilary: The bouffant probably had some device in there.
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It was something called a bumpit.
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And you stuck it in there and then it stayed.
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Also, why am I wearing Raggedy Ann's dress?
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Sean, I don't know what's happening to my brain. Sean: I know. There's a lot going on. Hilary: Okay. All right.
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Sean: But we're almost through this one.
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Can you talk me through the origin story of the teal hair?
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Hilary: She was probably in crisis, this girl. I'm not sure. Well, one.
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Do you know how hard this hair color is to keep up?
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Sean: I, believe it or not, I have no idea. I do not, uh...
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Hilary: You have not a clue.
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Sean: I do not understand the plight at all. No.
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Hilary: It's so much work to keep a bright, nice color like that.
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Um, you have to bleach your hair, first of all. Terrible for your hair.
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And then you have to constantly put, like, color in your conditioner and keep up with that. Masks, constantly. Like, annoying.
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Why did I need to do that?
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Who was she trying to be? I don't know.
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I think I was dealing with a breakup. Sean: Mm.
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Hilary: But then, I had a baby during Covid, like everybody else.
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I dyed my own hair at home almost that color.
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Gave birth with blue hair. What? Why? Blue hair, I had a girl.
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Sean: You know, you can never connect the dots... Hilary: I know. Some things, you just... Sean: ...
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looking forward, only looking back. Yeah. Hilary: ...
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look back, and you're like: "She needed to do this." .
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Sean: How are we feeling? Hilary: Horrible.
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Sean: But it does seem like...
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Hilary: I like you a lot. Sean: You do? Hilary: Yeah, but... Sean: The wings...
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Hilary: I'm tired of these wings.
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Hilary: Why do I have a delayed response?
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Like it's not hitting me, yet. Here's the thing.
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I can have another bite of this one. Sean: There we go. Then I will, too. Hilary: I didn't do it. I didn't feel the heat.
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And I want the full experience.
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Sean: Oh, you're living it.
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Can you give us one highlight and one lowlight of living in the Oakwood Apartments?
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It's kind of amazing how many people I've interviewed on this show who've once held a lease there. Hilary: Yeah.
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Sorry for the sound effects.
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The extra byte was ballsy.
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Once I helped 'No Doubt' unload their gear.
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Sean: Outside of the Oakwood Apartments? Hilary: Yeah.
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And I was like: "That's no doubt." .
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But really weird things would happen there.
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The highlight was that I got to be really free.
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Like, I'm a kid from Texas, so, like, I lived outdoors basically my whole life, and the Oakwood Apartments, not that there's not, probably, threats there, but it's like this big gated complex.
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And my friends and I would, like, build forts and have, like, hideouts, and we had a pager, before I had my cell phone, we had a pager, and my mom would just be like: "Dinner's ready, come home." .
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Sean: Didn't you have, like, a scooter gang you were running?
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Hilary: I had a scooter gang. Okay?
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But there's like a part of my childhood that, like, I don't think exists anymore for our kids.
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Like toilet papering a house.
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Like, I don't, I don't think those thing happen. Sean: The bygone days. I know. Hilary: Yeah. Sean: I know. All right, Hilary Duff. Hilary: We're here. Sean: You know.
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Hilary: You know, I'm putting it on. Sean: You know.
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Hilary: You know, I'm putting it on. "Thermageddon". Okay. Sean: You ready? Hilary: Mhm. Sean: Dip, flip and rip.
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Hilary: Dip, flip and rip. Let's go.
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Sean: And with that, Hilary Duff, the wings of death are behind us. Hilary: We did it. I did it. Sean: You did it!
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And to close things out, you know, you're a self-described old soul.
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I've heard you refer to yourself as a granny.
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And to make that point, I was hoping that, maybe, you could show me how to hold a crochet needle. Hilary: Of course I can.
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Sean: To help, I will put here, on this side... Here you go. I don't even know.
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Do you need more than this? Hilary: No.
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Sean: Is that all you need? Hilary: Mhm.
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Sean: And then I'll go on this side.
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Sean: And then I'm wondering, do you have any, like, foundational crochet advice for crochet beginners like myself? Hilary: Ah, no. That one's bad.
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Sean: Yeah, yeah, but it's all over. Hilary: A-ha. Mm.
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Hilary: Okay, so I'm self-taught.
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This is not the way you wanna have your yarn. Um...
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I'm forgetting everything to do here.
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You gotta make a slip knot. You know how to do that? I can do it for you. You want mine? Sean: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sean: You just talk me through it.
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Hilary: I'm gonna come over here... Sean: Yeah, yeah. Hilary: ...
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and get it started for you. Oh, okay.
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I think you took bigger bites than me.
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Sean: Nobody's keeping score. Hilary: Yeah. Sean: All right? We're both at the top. Slip knot. Hilary: Mhm.
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Hilary: You're gonna hold your working yarn over here. Okay?
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Sean: This is my working yarn. Hilary: Okay. The lips are destroyed. Hilary: Oh...
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Hold your, you could drop that down to the ground.
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Are you looking like this?
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Sean: I'm looking like this.
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Hilary: Your working yarn is the one that's attached to the ball of yarn still. Sean: A-ha.
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Hilary: And this is gonna be in your hand, so you don't get confused.
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This is like when you're in, um, New York in the summer and the humidity and the heat takes over and you finally get to your apartment. Sean: Yeah.
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Hilary: And the AC is on and you're just, like, you maybe start crying. Sean: Yeah.
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Hilary: It's been such a hard day in the world. Sean: Mhm. Hilary: Ah.
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Hilary: This is called casting on.
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Basically, you have to...
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you're never gonna get this right now, Sean. Sean: Yeah.
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Hilary: It's just not gonna happen for you, um, buddy. It's not. It's not gonna happen. Another time.
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Sean: Okay, but you know what?
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Hilary: Maybe someday for, like, sitting on a plane next to each other.
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I could teach you how to do this. Sean: It's all good. Hilary: Okay, okay.
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Sean: Because I don't think I can really handle it right now either.
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Hilary: I, I, I just wanna go home. I wanna go home.
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Sean: I'm gonna get to the point of this. And you know what?
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When you come back, I'm gonna have a hat.
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I'm gonna have a hot sauce koozie already made for you. All right, Hilary Duff?
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But now, at this point, there's nothing left to do, but roll out the red carpet for you.
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This camera, this camera, or this camera.
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Let the people know what you have going on in your life.
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Hilary: The only thing that's happening right now is the sensations of the attack. It was a brutal attack.
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Um, I have a world tour that I'm going on for the first time in 20 years.
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Um, and, um, a new album that I just put out and it's called "<i>Luck...
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or Something</i>", and you can stream it anywhere, or you can buy it, whatever you want. I don't know. I'll...
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um, I think that's all I have going on. That one comes for you. Super fun.
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This was an absolute honor.
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Sean: You got to be proud of yourself. You made it through.
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