Trends always always beautiful gorgeous listen to the way those notes merged together it's so beautiful [Music] just seeing how that drone if offs I've got hours of video of us just do you ever feel like sometimes you just want to lie down and just perform like this just ah everybody yeah yeah no last night was quite interesting because I started very like um like low energy because I had like like bad asthma okay once I did my first
ever on stage like inhaler pump that's my bossy it's kind of bossy I could become a thing careful yeah you know spread again Global Superstar who actually inhales while he's on yeah it was that much but then when I came on I was quite like like tight chest and I was kind of like this Vibe but then it was nice because it gave it like a real yeah it was like this you know an hour and a 10 minutes of just like were you planning on that did the set
kind of reflect that or did you sort of adapt in the moment it was just what happened I don't usually have that before my asthma's just been yeah completely for some reason yeah yeah yeah yeah but so it was it was just what
happened but it was okay it was kind of nice um I know this place I haven't spent much time down here per se but I know the building I've been here before I've hung out with sunny here before it's just Skrillex this place yes yeah this
is like uh I feel like this is the crown jewel of all he did in his 1.0 it was 2.0 really because one point of being that being more straight edge yeah hardcore or sunny but you know from from an EDM point of view and from traveling around the world and doing 300 shows and nearly killing yourself one of you this is kind of the fruits of the labor right yeah yeah no sunny and yeah it's very much his HQ and if it's every corner of
it is sunny yeah um we're actually we've done a home swap at the moment so he's staying at mine in London yeah and I'm his in L.A and it's kind of lovely but it's just nice having a place here that is like home lee-ish feeling so like
when I'm here I kind of yeah have a base yeah because we spoke about this and it's interesting because we went out and hung out on a personal note before any of this um which is which was lovely but um so I don't want to betray any trust
but you said some things I think you'll be okay so that therapy but if I do that I have to talk about my own I think it was a mutual conversation me too let's go um no but you said something which I thought was really
fair which was that you know because not everyone takes to it um that you know La is like a lot of people come to LA and they can't wait you come to LA and you work it's not like that for you like There's A unsettling Vibe I guess is
with the word I took from it about La that makes you want to just hunker down and get the job done yeah it's like a focused thing like I find it tricky when there's like not like a it's it's not I don't think I could be wrong here I could just be not going to the right places but it doesn't feel like it's like a natural place for spontaneity sure like being able to walk around and stuff like that yeah here's what I love about
London and actual life it's funny because living here there is a lot of actual life but you're right you're not going to bump into it the way you do in a city that is by design a London or a New York or a place where there's just
people you don't get a sense of people being here often even though there's a lot of people here yeah you've got a sense of cars I guess that's a cars since a lot of people staying indoors and doing what they've got to do yeah um
have you ever sort of come here and and gone home or whatever or gone back to work and you get a sense that something from LA or something from this place is permeated yeah yeah hugely hugely I mean you can't dispute the like Creative
Impact of the city and the frequency of that energy is a powerful one um I think I'm getting to go to sleep I mean here has been a real game like having like as I say somewhere that feels like a you know this is the home
of like one of my best friends so it's so much nicer than just being in some Anonymous hotel in West Hollywood where you're just like yeah it's not created this is creative yeah you walk in here and it's creative and and that's you and family and family yes perfect actually because those are the two things that are you and this is about you and me having a conversation which I'm really excited to have loves it because because no one
really you haven't done this I don't really think you've done this very often at least where it's like you've let people in to talk to you and and I don't think that you do that because there's some kind of like um Mo about mystery or you you you're permeating some kind of behind the scenes type facade it's it's that you really are dedicated to the craft and to the music and you say a lot in the music yes this is I do often find myself
saying that when people ask me questions about stuff I'll be like I really think I've spent so many hours on an answer and it's like it's in the song yeah like I just yeah I do often feel that yeah it's actual life but but the two things
that we do know about you is that you know um you you're always creating and looking around you and absorbing and family is very important to you as well creative and family um so let's start with the latter let's
start with the family side of things and um and you know at this point in your life and who you are and what you're turning your attention to music and creative stuff um what role your family plays in that and what's the most important part of
family and being an artist right now today oh my God yeah I mean I can't begin I'm just like so fortunate in this respect I mean we were speaking about this the other night um and Yes mine I mean I'm managed to
work with everything on my older brother I made all of the last two records of my younger brother as well we're really close to my sister as well and so yeah and then obviously as you know like it extends to Sunny and my best friend Hannah Lou Who are in the studio there now and who we're staying with on this trip and so yeah it's yeah I mean it's it's almost impossible to talk about how important it is because it's like it's the foundation of
everything to me yeah it's the central it's this it's the core of of the relationship that you pour into relationships which is what I feel your music is it's all about relationships your songs are predominantly named after the people you work with or people who Inspire them yeah um there's a lot of interactivity in your songs there's a lot of hooks that come from conversation yeah the whole thing is about The Human Experience
right yes very much yeah I think I think it's like trying to the feeling that I became really obsessed with was like trying to take the the like very fleeting moments and like trying to like expose as much Beauty as is in them
in like you know like so you you know how sometimes if you see something in a normal thing and you see it in slow-mo it's like oh wow there's a whole new emotional framing for it like I think about that with hummingbirds all the
time hummingbirds yeah because we have a lot of hummingbirds in our backyard and they move so fast and darkness yeah yeah that's such a good example yeah but so I think I'm trying to I became just very obsessed with like the feeling that happens when you like take something I think that's why I like with the first guy I sampled um was just so like enamored with it because you it was that feeling but I'd never been able to see a hummingbird in
slow-mo before if that's what I mean yeah yeah well once you realize that you had something that felt tangible and and real uh it opens up a whole new world of creativity suddenly your imagination gives way to reality and then if you can
combine the two it's like you can get inside the human experience in a very real way yes I think that I mean I you know yes a lot of times we're trying to avoid the reality is what I'm saying a lot of times we're trying to imagine things or
repurpose things through our creative filter and you seem very dedicated to the moment in real time right down to the point where the start of every you know our actual life starts with a date and with a recording that seems to see
at the time yes no it's very important to me that they're like it's like a it's a diary for me and say that I'm trying to although I'm trying to slow-mo certain moments it's like that was always a very important part of
it even though parts of the diarrhea from you know some of it's just nights out from my phone and conversations as you say and some of it's other people dust around the whole world it does it's so linked to a time and a place to me in a way that I've from the first one yeah I felt really it was just what I instinctively the whole kind of framing of every song like how it's named and the structure of it all is just what happened as I was
making the music because it's what you would instinctively do because it was like okay I'm sampling this person called Clara her name is on Clara and the date is this and I finished a record on this date so I just was Keen to show The Diary aspect of it I guess as much as I could because it is yeah like really personal well there you go it makes me wonder like how much of it is for you how much of it is for us if for us at all yeah
yeah no I don't I think it started off for me and then I might I've been in enormously Changed by the like all the messages I've read and seeing people at shows and the way people have kind of let the music in it's totally changed me and I'm
immeasurably grateful for it um but yeah so I think now it's kind of a hybrid of both I wonder if it's going to change the way you approach it to us to some degree and maybe you can't tell until you do but was started in 2020 at
least when we were given the gift yeah yeah um the whole thing really kind of unveiled over the course of quarantine so what was actual life for everybody had changed and yet you were sort of Leaning into this real life experience it was one of the few things you uh I mean I I think I can make sense of this in order to present it in this kind of environment so you know so we can continue yeah you know we weren't having
actual life you were giving us a taste of it somewhere along the line and it was emotional for people and I and I I wonder now that life is opening up sort of whether or not you are looking at these things and listening to life
and looking at life differently yes definitely I think it's what you said I don't I don't think I'll know as much confidence until I'm not so in it um but the like I think it's sort of yeah I don't know yet yeah I don't know
did you feel that though when you were putting music out and there was a sense of people on the street and in houses and in bars and nightclubs and taxi ranks that most of us weren't doing that yes no I did have a feeling but I also
the main thing I felt which was just this like extraordinary sense of sort of natural emotional Synergy between because I mean not to diminish the obvious like bad aspects but it was objectively the case that there was I was just men
big hen like who I live with which is constantly like very moved by how much you could call up anyone anywhere in the world and there was like this real sort of Unity of experience which was very powerful I think it could only have happened in this time in a strange way I mean you probably wouldn't have been so drawn into the strange intimacy of of virtual communication if it hadn't been primarily our only source yes I'm sure
and a lot of it was done on like um you know the first record was made kind of half and half um it was kind of the first off I made about half of it before we went and lockdown half it after um but it was fundamentally all born out you know the reason why I'm the person who films everything on a night out is because when you're hungover the next morning it's just nice to like glaze through the like memories and you kind
of soften the blood it's nice I was gonna say it's nice I do that because I'm like oh thank God sometimes like damage control check what you said you're like why are tapping yourself 100 there's times if I'm definitely let
loose them hanging out or whatever that I take I'll make sure I take a photo at the end of the night so I know exactly one time it ended you know because otherwise I'm just like the worst case scenario you're like dubbing yourself
into yourself I've never thought about it in that way but no it's like I think often it's like it's particularly other people as well um like when you see you know when you get that lovely sort of elevated energy of a group of people
when you all kind of spend like 10 hours together on a proper long night out yeah yeah and by the end you're all kind of floating in the same ether you want to get it um it's the lovely thing yeah I've got some videos
on my phone that I cherish cherish um for that reason yeah you know I want to go back a little further because we're sort of in the actual life scenario and we're we're beautifully positioned for me but I want to kind of um go back to this trend this kind of beautiful moment when you made a decision that that being in a studio and and maybe we go back in time just step by step actually and and the next step being that um you know I think we knew
you from working with people and helping them achieve their goals and and producing and writing music beautifully and so Tastefully and you know you you were winning Awards and revered at that point um you know but but obviously always an artist and always with a vision and a voice so um did you have to make a distinction between the two for you did you have to say this is now going to be my friend again time and I'm not Fred Gibson in
the studio working with Ed and entirely and and on its own I think it just sort of I had a feeling of you know when I was like six well from sort of ten when I started writing songs to 20 whatever I was doing my own music and then
through no intention I just kind of ended up working with other like it just kind of was what naturally took place and so then but there was a slight feeling of like after a few years there was a feeling that there was something like
I needed to make that I wasn't making yeah thy beautiful Serendipity or maybe something bigger than that Brian messaged me at the same time saying like yeah um saying like he's he was like I'm cleaning my kitchen and I've left all of my uh iTunes on Loop and it keeps going to a every time it goes to a song that I like I run into the room and I see it's an old sketch of yours and it was very sweet of him to say that so he was like
you've got to go back to doing this now um yeah it was like it was like you know I was already at the cliff and then it was just like and his is a voice that you listen to because for the people that don't know he'd already become a a very influential and inspirational figure in your life yeah yeah I know he'd been such a weird been working together I mean I'm so so um the older I get the more lucky I realize I am to even be in the same time
as him let alone be like great friends um yeah so we've worked together since we were 16 I mean I kind of started just like trying to you know going to his singing group and trying to do everything I could to yeah get in but yeah he'd been mentoring me since then the people I have spoken with who have worked with Brian um um speak so effusively of his natural ability to be able to guide and Inspire but not dominate right to say the right
thing to make it very human um yeah and I think many people say that about you as well so let's just consider that relationship and what it's like to be mentored by Brian and how deep his influence goes into allowing you to find this space
yeah no I mean I can't be overstated again like he's the like when I met him they're like the way in which his mind works I don't think a 16 year old is primed to fully appreciate so I was like I mean that's why I say I'm just
increasingly increasingly increasingly grateful for his his genius but essentially I think like and I've said this to Brian I just it said meant entirely as a company but I think in one word it's because he's a kid and he's in a way that is just so rare and so admirable he's retained like just this childish like wide-eyed fascination with things like when I we first met like sometimes people blame your thing and he'd be like Fred what's
this and I'd be like it's a it's a C major chord like we know that but like because I was like coming from Classic Piano right yeah yeah I was like coming from like the classical thing of like that's how that looks on a score is nothing special or whatever um but in reality he's listening to the way like that particular sound has overtones and it's making the glass over there ring with it and it's made like he's not seeing the score of ceg he's
seeing the far wider range of colors and yeah so it's the gradual journey of say like sometimes you'd like go to his in fact I stumbled across the video I was mentioning yeah yeah like it's just him when I got there and he I get to his
place and it's just this enormously loud drone playing he's just sat in the middle of this room he's got these enormous like four-way pendulum things he's had purpose built for him he's moving Perfect Harmony because he wants
to see the way the different things trigger the different movements because they're really unpredictable and there's this like thing going like like this massive drone he's there just watching this thing just like it's so happy so it won like it's the same energy that you get when you see like a lovely yeah like innocence of a like a kid playing with the thing like I say that entirely as like a yeah as a like a you know it's
the best thing and that I think is why how do you stay undistracted like that like how are you how do you not eventually get overwhelmed by the world around you I mean I wish I could get back to that and people would say well meditate yoga cool love those things therapy awesome reset but how do you get to a place where you can you can find the joy in that yeah and not be distracted by your phone by this or that you know we'd have to
ask him but I think he does everything in like you know he'll then also be as you know he'll be like super in on real nitty-gritty of a climate change charity that he's working with so like it's it's not like it's one of the
expense of the other I think you just like maybe maybe it's because he goes so in on that it alleviates space and his brain to go slowing on yeah that aspect of things I don't know it's funny I I feel there's a parallel in a way that
you you are moving creatively it's just coming from different influences in different different places you know I mean his ambient Works to me is is a kind of a version his version of like an actual life experience like you know in
music for airports things like that yeah and also in my life in the bishop goes like when I first played um prying this stuff I was like Brian I've got this amazing new idea like I really think there's something that triggers
this feeling of me it feels so new like something like the real actual work and then I was like oh yeah Brian did this with David Burns Like that's exactly what he's saying but that's what I mean it's like there are similarities lovely similarities it's symbiotic but but you're doing it in a way that is not how he did it with David you know you're out there recording your peers your contemporaries your friends I think the way the world is
allows it to be a massively more I mean this is what Brian was saying he's like the way because everything is now infinitely recorded like there is also Beauty in that as well as it having all the pitfalls that we know as you know
there's a there's a great there's a there's a juice World documentary that came out last year I think it was that a friend of mine Bill Simmons was involved in and um it was really tough to watch obviously because you're watching this
really important incredibly talented and to my experience really Charming with nice kid um ultimately pass away um but it was all shot on phone right because you know all the footage because they capture everything yeah yeah so they're always like shooting everything's either on a social media site or a fans shot it or your friends shooting it there's phones everywhere in every shot and so they just were able to get the footage and so it was
interesting because it was kind of an actual life in its way it was like it was like taking everything that had been recorded during this person's all way too short existence and just drawing the narrative from the stuff that was never directed
yes yeah yeah that's the it's the intention right is the is the key thing for me yeah the intention so what was the intention behind Kyle and how important was that because I feel like that's when people really
perk their heads up above ground and win okay there's something going on here um I think that was like I mean I just spent a lot I made that in a in um the tape in London as a as a customer as someone who was there yeah yeah I just like yeah just take you know as I say like take my laptop just place it it's to me the fact that you can make music anywhere is just like the if we tell those people in the 70s they'd be like why is anyone yeah
it's really great but like to me like 19 of the time we should be like well particularly if you're working on your ones if you're with someone I get it you might need to have stuff but like if you wonder it was this is like you can just be in the world I just think that is just like the ultimate yeah gift um yeah and so the Tate is a nice one any place that gives you this like sort of conveyor belt of humanity that just kind of buzzing around the
background often when there's like an undercurrent of slight excitement that's why I like South Bank as well because it's like it's that kind of Central London like kind of some tourist there's like a bubbling people going to the
theater and stuff like there's like a slight there's just this kind of conveyor belt of soft excitement going I'm gonna do it out really hard now so you're sitting there at your laptop and I've done this before on trains and I've
and planes yeah I've done this so and I agree I love it but um you're literally watching the energy of the crowd change and move and weave and do you then kind of create accordingly does it affect the DNA of the song enormously but like I think in like I think sometimes I'm conscious of it and sometimes I'm not but one thing I know is that when I'm there like I make loads of ideas and when I'm in the vacuum of my own thing I tend not to so
like it's affecting me hugely sometimes it really is like really on the nose like you'll be making soon and then you'll see like some guy go past on like a skateboard like doing a move and the way he moves like he makes you think like oh yeah the bass is actually not isn't giving the feeling that would like it needs to do this and then sometimes it's much more like you know abstractified and you'll see like a dad with his kid having a time and
that would just make you realize that there's an emotional residence I think often it's subconscious where's the craziest place you've just powered up I've done a few in clubs that's in the club yeah that's quite a funny one because yeah I mean if you have noise cancelers you can do it in the cloud yeah yeah that's quite a beautiful I mean that's like a really beautiful way amazing I did one okay Cinema is good I just stay in the club
for a minute that's cool we'll go Cinema in a minute I can imagine that everything in a weird way slows down maybe yeah yeah yeah because your sound experience is so much more calm than so you're you're the fundamental sense
uniter in a club is obviously the music so if you distance yourself from that you're able to Hummingbird everyone I love that we're doing that now it's a verb to like hummingbird everyone much more yeah it's that it all becomes much
slower and we should open dictionary there though just in case of something else yeah it's always good to test yes I'm not sure if you may want to Hummingbird anybody mate I've got them cracking up behind the mask here you know there's a great documentary and I and the Name Escapes me so I apologize and perhaps we can just Chuck it up on the screen after the fact so I want to give credit what credits do but it's about the Paradise
Garage and Larry Levin and that time there's a bunch of people on the street telling amazing stories about what it was like to to live during that time and the opening shot is one camera almost looks like a security camera black and
white granny of the dance floor and it's just one huge mirror ball of the dance floor and it's the strobe but it's slow-mo it's being hummingbirded wow and so it's just white light slowly coming on then pitch black pitch black then why
why so everyone's just and it's one of the most beautiful ballets I've ever seen yeah yeah that's miraculous like that do you know what I mean and so it's like I can imagine for you in a strange way it is about that it's about kind of getting either side of the linear experience to see what else is in there is there yes yeah yeah yeah there's I think there's like a tubes are really good as well for the same reason because you get there's such
this is why trains and tubes are really good because you you're able to get onto another side of that experience because you're already doing something by the nature of being on the tube you're like going somewhere which puts your mind into a state where it's much more likely to play because it's getting it's already like doing one of its jobs yeah so then you're like well I'm already here I might as well might as well play around and you also
see all these it's yeah it's that conveyor belt again like a tube Carriage as it and it changes the whole time so you get this constantly maneuvering thing um it's almost like a grid as well and I'm jacking The Chemical Brothers
video that Michelle gandry did when he did a Little Star guitar when he shot out the side of a train window and every Lamppost that passed and every sign for us for a town that passed was it a transition on the beat and then when it
changed scenery incredible it's incredible it would get green when it would ramp up yeah so it was like that was Pro that was logic yeah that train was like 100 yeah exactly that that is kind of what what I get from your music is that you are taking this kind of like experience that exists within this this this hardware and you're trying to connect it to the outer world as much as you possibly can yes I want to make it as
the line between the two as small as possible beautiful that's yeah like Buick yeah yeah yeah and Tom yeah yeah yeah yeah 100 you know there are people who have definitely lead into that and tried to do that who asks us can you say
I mean the inspiration question is can feel a little Trad sometimes but I'm really interested to know like along the way aside from Brian who has kind of really stepped into your world and left a a really indelible impression I think
probably the the things that have affected me the most is the people I've been like lucky enough to work with yeah because that's like a human thing so it becomes so much more profoundly affecting I think um I would say burn a boy is like I just adore him he's just a G and sorry can I swear yeah you can especially about that's a Legend I love him too why do you love him I love him so I first met him God I don't know seven years ago now or
something and he came into my studio randomly and his presence he wasn't sort of I mean he was very much already burner boy but he wasn't publicly known as well as burner boy yeah but my goodness yeah the man is a dragon in a human form like yeah he rolls in he was wearing this like bright and silver like polystyrene to the floor puffer jacket yeah and his Shades and he was like what's good and I was like everything is good
I love me but the way last time I interviewed him virtually he was in a bar I guess at home and uh he was drinking uh some really amazing looking alcoholic drink yeah he just wanted to spend the whole interview talking about
how great this drink was how great life is I was like dude I just want to like hang up and go there he's awesome yeah no the way but the way he like um the way he writes is very inspiring to me because it's just so the line between
in the same way that I want to try and make the line between like on here and the and life as small as possible he that he makes the line between like here and here as small as possible like it just comes out like it it's just that he just he just becomes it and it the ideas just flow out for him the only thing you have to do is record is hit record and and you really do have to make sure you hit record because he will just go and go
and go and like and then you just have to let everyone and be like okay cool that's that bit and that bit then you're done and he's just a little bit he can go like it's so inspiring to me like that level of and he also he knows
himself so deeply that you can throw anything at him like that's the people I love working with the most because when there's that level of like I know me then actually they're up for doing anything it doesn't mean they entrenched
in me it means the opposite it means they're like I know what I'm gonna do me so you bring whatever you bring and we'll see what happens you see so many other days some music I was playing you and it was so beautiful and I've carried it with me and I'm looking I'm just waiting for the I don't want to force it into conversation but it will definitely show up on my vernacular which was uh you said it knows itself and I think
that's what I was thinking about that this morning yeah you're saying like you know you prefer to find people who even if they're not at their best they know themselves at that moment in time they know who they are yeah yeah I think
that's probably why I'm so inspired by rappers a lot and that's probably why I work a lot in that world because there's like it's so entwined in the culture of that is a degree of like like self-security and like even if it's
obviously like all of us much more complex like there is something core to it um in Burna Boy and Petty and storms and these people that is so inspiring to work with and of course X because you know Ed Loki comes from that
world too like so everybody knows that now you know yeah no it's not like it's quite a known fact particularly in England yeah particularly in England I mean it came from that World um well I've got this theory in particular when
it comes to storytelling The Art of Storytelling and you apply that to rap and hip-hop of course you can apply that to country music and anything but but things that really zero in on storytelling it's all kind of a really very visceral form of manifestation that ultimately if you're gonna if you're gonna put a hundred songs out there that even at the beginning project a life that you want naturally you're going to draw that to you in a much more
real way yeah and that's that identity is crucial 100 you know and you must see that with people that you work with that when they come into the studio and carry themselves they're kind of in a weird way visualizing through music yeah um
you mentioned Ed and you and it have had such an amazing journey as collaborators um and I think I remember the first time I'd mentioned you to me it was like he had discovered um some kind of symbol of chemistry that no one had ever
discovered before and you're obviously making music before that but from his point of view he was like I found my guy this guy just gets me and does work at the highest level and was so effusive and so and so you know he just was talking and talking what has that experience been like and and how is that relationship being changed your life yeah I think he's just like a we were very um sort of twin from the beginning like we have a
very similar taste in upbringing in musical like a proper yeah yeah exactly so it was like very natural and effortless and we both like to write quickly and the thing I would say mostly from I've let measurement is similar to burn a boy actually um and it's the Instinct thing it's just like he's just such he's just Instinct Instinct Instinct Instinct every time he's writing it's just like go go work it out later like and sometimes there'll
be a little you know tweak you make later but fundamentally the thing is born from Instinct and then you can fine tune the thing beyond that and yet analysis is such a dark shadow to the creative process it's it's the thing
that we talked about execution the other night again yeah it's the thing that will trip you up over and over again you don't suffer from that for sure yeah yeah 100 this I mean like we could all get like caught in the various traps of that I
think I mean it was like a it was another Brian gift I think of saying he said to me that he was like you can't learn anything from a piece of music that's unreleased when I was playing in all of these ideas when I was first making this and I had thousands of like literally 2 000 probably like but they were all rubbish like like you know so many of them was me just like it's it took me so long to try and find the way in which I could yeah
try and expose the beauty in these moments without it like distorting the person's soul or like having some fundamental dissonance with what they're originally doing and like still feel like you're being respectful and and all that's my life in it keeping the life of both them and you and and then allowing it to become its own that was the thing for me realizing it was becoming a new other thing yeah so you're not like ruining you or them it's
like its own other thing but like Brian um yeah when I blame these he was just like you can't you you need to start learning from from these pieces of music you can't progress until you start putting some out and so that's helped a lot in terms of Instinct move Instinct move and also you know you said something really lovely at the beginning of this hang which was um you've been profoundly moved by the way people have responded to your music
yes um you know when you put out actual life one in 2020 and then quickly sort of followed it up with actual life too we started feeling as music fans and but someone who sort of keeps an eye on things started seeing and feeling a shift in the way that people were responding to your music do you feel that yeah I I um it's yeah all I can say is it's just totally changed the way in which I make music which is all I do so
it's changed my life but the um yeah I'm just very very grateful and you can see it when you play shows I mean I guess shows is like the ultimate version of what I'm saying in terms of humans informing I think the show's changed the game yeah I think people often talk about the concepts that change people's trajectory and I think I think Coachella was a big moment for you I you know it would be easy to try to avoid that one because
it's just such a blip on the social media calendar but you actually played two shows there that people talked about for weeks and months low afterwards um I know through great detail what it was like to be in that crowd what was it
like to be on that stage it was it was do you know what it was because it was like a minute before I go on yeah I go into my mic and I go hey check the ears I can only hear it in one ear and it's only got the top end yeah because
I'm like right and I'm like okay can we just test the backing track best of all fine everybody oh festivals man and then I go to okay can we test the backing track and they go it's only coming this year and it's wildly out of phase like
really quiet and then the guy's there going friend okay T minus ten oh it's nine and at festivals you know how it is like you can't no message and particularly Coachella like that is tired we'd already stripped the set
right down it's Live Aid so yeah yeah it's that so we were just like I was there like for real like looking at Tony and he was there like you're gonna play with and he was like we just go and the guy was like we can't like go in and so I went on stage played the first night of the piano couldn't hear a thing didn't even the piano wasn't even in my eyes um but what was the Saving Grace is that I said into my mic into my like talk
mates the crew I was like is this only a monitor's issue and they're like yeah it's only monitor issue which is actually then you're like okay out there let me focus on the crowd everything is the same as it is every other night yeah yeah but I was like we've done this enough I know like I'll sing about a tune at times and I'll be about that because I can't hear myself and I'm sure I'll be a better time but like fundamentally out
there they don't know that it's entirely possible you had to stretch yourself your hands even further to the crowd because you were outside for sure for sure I I I I sort of savor those kind of experiences now it's like when we came
on Coachella I mean Tony were like cool I kind of feel like we we really enjoyed that even though like for the first 20 minutes we were like working out like how to compensate for a 200 meter sound Echo delay coming back yeah
yeah all of that but it was I I loved it I absolutely loved it I think it's easy when you're on stage sometimes to beat it in your little Dome I mean you've got what you hear and got what they hear and then you have to perform to reach people
there was no yeah no no it was and also we like there was this moment where like the sun came so perfect and I was like so like in this like chaotic Vibe what's going on but again I'm like playing the machine at the
front and I say into my shout mate to the guys I was like I was like Sam who does our lighting I was like Sam you're killing it right now man I was like I don't know what this is but it's fire and I just hear him amazes
like that'll be the Sun and I was like well nice one Sam good job good job renting the Sun for an hour that's another one that's going in my book I'm getting Sun man it's beautiful today I know now knowing you that it's not a thing
right like some people come out and they'd be like it's a thing you know nice it's for you it's not like I'm doing it it's not it's not a bet it's like you need to feel like you're in the moment so let's talk about life
for a second because people really want to see you live and and I think you know tickets are selling out in minutes now so what is it for you well I think they're like yes I think I mean we spent a long time trying to hone the way we wanted to do
it the fundamental thing to me is having the big portrait screen that represents like an iPhone that just shows the all the bits from my phone and other people's yeah so that's like to me I play with Tony but I also play with that like that is very much a part of the DNA of the music in front of you as well you can you can move with that yeah yeah totally um but so and then on a musical thing it was like it was like finding because
like I mean I'll use this thing a lot for um Studio as well just because the way it like chops up samples but like you can people that don't know what is this this is a machine so it's like an NPC but a modern one with the S and a c and an H in case you wonder yeah yeah so it's a Native Instruments one but it's like based on the old you know the thing still it used and stuff essentially it's 16 drum pads you can put anything on it
like it's so infinitely powerful yeah the thing that is so exciting about this to me is with electronic music it's often almost impossible to get it live live um and I buy no leadmastered this there's like guys who are who I follow
shout out Justin as well who I've learned loads from but like um and I'm really Keen to try and make it so that this can be a way of making because there's some moments like when we do this like it's like totally we can go totally live
um [Laughter] but then you can play the whole thing like the whole track at this point comes from [Music] no no no no no no no no no no [Music] I mean [Music] [Music] but yes it's so exciting to me because like you can do like the and this is what I want to get better and better at like making it so that the whole thing comes from this thing like there's some moments where it makes sense as you say to like step back and have space to
reach out to the crowd yeah and then at some moments where I want to be able to like you know and it's the same way like I'll make change as well because if you have um this I'm trying to see how we play this one live like
like for like the way we do I Found You is kind of the same way I'll make it which is like drones always beautiful gorgeous listen to the way those notes merged together it's so beautiful [Music] even just with the EQ this is what I do
this is what it sits with Brian is our lesson just saying how that drone evolves I've got hours a video of us just and I love it like I play these like around my house for hours and hours of every day because it just like shapes your experience but then the um so like if you have the original poem regardless as Invincible as canned food in two by fours I found you exploding Brimstone on your lips tattoo worry as warm as the sun used to be I
Found You Beautiful and then you can start like tuning him so he goes like I Found You Beautiful [Music] I found I found you [Music] I found you that Farms were beautiful I found you exploding you [Music] yeah that kind of like well but that
this is like the the same way that we play the chains live off and I'm Keen to like represent the way they are built in the first place which is just like long drones like different ways of framing the emotion of what the
person's saying they say like in the same way that that drone if you if I was to now play it with this drone foreign [Music] it's like he's saying different words now yeah I found you exploding yeah I found you yeah I mean like that I mean that's a really obtuse way so much time on that it's less sweet it's more it is there's more like almost a terrible urgency yeah yeah so that they'll be generally with like samples I'll make like five or six
different drones that it can live in and then that harmonic the like harmonic landscape of those drones will affect the emotion of the song of the song that's what they're born out of yeah and so when you're performing live and you are existing in this drone space and you and you you've found your the vocal and you're able to build within this environment the crowd is there yeah you see the accompaniment behind you that's
going on behind you are you how really in the moment are you when it's time to build this piece of music up to a point you've seen the drop and when the drop happens there are people crying there's a sense of real emotion there oh I see what you're saying yeah no but but truly vary because well I don't know I kind of keep thinking I wonder how long you can go this will last but the answer is like I mean obviously I've not been
doing that about our first show was only a year ago but like um I feel very like I think probably it's because it's a new it's new humans no I'm not talking about the overall bro I'm talking about okay on the in the moment while this is going out and you've got to get to a place where it's going to have a dynamic shift and most live electronic music spaces will you know create something yeah yeah seems to me like in that moment you are
searching for a way for the emotion to guide the dynamic of the song until you feel it yeah and you release it when you feel it yes totally that and that can be different every single night yeah well these are the things that I'm trying to that that's what I want to get better and better at like in the show of like trying to have as many moments that can be Mali be affected because also sometimes you naturally like find a way that you
love playing it and you're like I think this is the thing that feels the best but then you kind of need to force yourself to like challenge it and then that means that sometimes you need to try and find another way of playing the song live
there must be times when it's really challenging for you to not just be complete and maybe you want to be over I think with the emotion of it I get that a lot and also sometimes you know because I'll look around and I see like
my best friends or honestly no no no no no you're like this is your alternative your brother's just like checking your nose and stuff like that just like straight back down that would also be a very good experience but no I mean I
look around on the screen and I'll see like the videos of like my best friends and that's like having like beautiful times and so and I'll be in like you know Finland and it's like oh wow like it's a very like but also I
think the thing that often inspires me and this is why I love so much playing with Tony who I play live with is that most the time I'm just like low-key trying to do to like get Tony like to like you know it's just it always comes out like these one-on-one things or like Jamie who's our front of house or like if hen's there like but you know the whole reason why I did like chopped up that song with Romy in the first place that I could do
that world is because my friend red was coming to a show and I know he's like he's just like a jungle heads in his birth and I was like Red's gonna be I would have gas red the up tonight I said dude I mean those are the things that generally inspired yeah yeah the choices because they were making them from very clear like emotional places of like for a human and so Tony is the one who I'm with every night so a lot of the time I'll like with
these different things be trying to just like get Tony excited can we talked we talked about the moment the other night about being in the present moment and I was saying how I I need to do what I do like this because I can't think of
anything that's going on me except this yeah and I love it I emerge from it and I feel cleanse a little bit like and I've got space to process things again because yes it's like I'm I'm having this conversation which is infinite
information in this curiosity for me but I feel totally clean at the end of it it's really weird and and I sort of think for you like that's a really nice way of putting those in I'm happy that that's the case it really is for me I
really love it and um for you I can imagine it's a similar thing that even though that there's this sort of tangible energy in front of you at times like there's his Boiler Room for an example this chaos is going on around
you that that because it's forcing you to be in the moment to be present in a strange way it's a lot it's it's actually ridding your system and your mind and your spirit of unnecessary things and to allow for more space it's like it's kind of a cleansing experience yeah yeah no definitely I think that that's why I think it affects the music a lot as well but yeah no boiling was for sure was definitely like I was very like I was
like helplessly present almost like there was no that wasn't an option are you nervous for that I was pretty nervous for that yeah I can imagine yeah I think boiling no matter how confident you are how much you feel you're having a moment or how much you've earned the right to get there I think it's just impossible not to feel a bit of imposter syndrome in a boiler room yeah yeah yeah and it was pretty like it's just quite chaotic because we're
kind of there thinking you know when you're like watch a boiler room they'll just be like some person the way the camera setup is so like random yeah I was like someone's just like two Jack and coat and vodka mate you know
it's a little bit like it's a bit and I always kind of thought when I do my like I don't know somebody something will happen and we'll just be like yeah it will be my best friend here yeah but like inevitably you're just kind of in a
crowded club and everything's okay else and then they go all right your time for the set and you're like but yeah yeah where's destruction yeah like and then like my best friends all like it was so Rama that like my all of my best friends
like couldn't even get close anyway yeah so I was like yeah and you're looking at these people around you're like all right well so you'll make crew for the next thing and then it kind of naturally you know gross
pollinates and permeates into different humans and and it was um yeah it was very very present intensive I was forced right into the present tense it was the first time in a long time no disrespect to anyone else but
that where a DJ set had become the talking point um any areas outside of the community is the first time in a long time where the concept of of creating a set in a club and and streaming it wasn't just being talked about on those forums or on those
social media sites or in those places people who write about music in general yeah like this is off the chain um what was that like in that room because I mean there's so many Clips have gone viral I mean that that Giza who just like pulled up your record by accident do you know one thing that's great about Rodney what he's a kiwi is he yeah yeah I think he was not a great can't take us anywhere yeah yeah and his name's Rodney the whole thing is
fabulous to me like you said I still didn't think he was gonna run me I didn't clock it was gonna be a kiwi yeah Vanessa I went to um I mean it makes sense I used to go to my friends who were DJs and I would go up to them and I would had a few too many drinks and I would try and scratch their records with my shoes this is a true story my friend Manuel will tell you is a true story and he loves me so much that you know he would
let me do it a few times and after a while he's like if your shoes touch my vinyl one more time I don't know why I decided this is amazing I mean I know it's funny if you're the one I mean I was such a Rodney that night it was something
yeah no big UPS Rodney no he just appeared as well he was one of the ones you know you look to your left you're like oh who just gets it he was beautifully like you know he was very present um as well but you know this is like
what I was like Peter so many people have been like why were you pissed off with Rodney and and it's like he's not the he's so not the enemy you know I mean like he's this like joyful guy who's everything you want your people to be in a club like he's giving everything he's like so there with you he's following you through every moment so if his arm or belly as it was happens to like touch the pause button on a deck who gives a
like it doesn't matter at all like you can't you can't make projects called actual life and then get mad when actual life presents herself you know it's like that is real in the club oh no it's a blessing one sound clap or maybe two
is an absolute right blessing yeah yeah yeah if you know what to do with it 100 100 I've only ever seen it be a great a great thing and isn't that kind of really what you're trying to do is to take real life and just know what to
do with it like if you know what to do with it if you know how to let it in and not try to perfect it or shut it out then it can be more emotional it can be more Dynamic it should just be more of everything I hope so I hope so but yes I wouldn't say I'm by any means an expert of knowing what to do with it but um yeah trying um actual life 3 which has another group of amazing people that mean something to you I mean something I always love it
because I don't always recognize everybody on there obviously I know something well a lot of them are just yeah people you know yeah yeah but Mustafa of course yes it was amazing and stuff like how do you sort of approach the difference between artist and non-artist like you've done sessions you do sessions you work with people when it's when it's considered and deliberate but a lot of this doesn't feel like that
so how do the artists feel when they're kind of almost being treated in the same way that your friends are being treated well I think it's a testament to the lovely people I've sampled that they've been really sweet and generous about it all
and Mustafa being a great example of that like you know Mustafa like I sampled his piece where he's saying well yeah I need time and all the things it's time to move move on time to move this and like that's like a
it's Mustafa has made no secret of what those records are about for him and deep Community Connection yeah and lost yeah exactly and so I I don't take it lightly I'd treat it with the same delicateness I hope when I sample that
as to when I sample a person on this street saying we go make it through because I think they're just as personal as things um but yeah so I'll always make sure that you know with Mustafa I made sure to write him a letter explaining
why his grief had resonated with mine and to try and explain that I wasn't trying to yeah as I say like distort his truth I was just trying to see if it could become something beautiful is another thing and I've been very very lucky at like the way all these people have received it so generously I'm really glad that you talked about his grief in relation to your grief because um I think people often look at at artists like yourself
in a space where you're drawing creativity from other people yeah as being a conduit for their for their for their message or whatever but I yeah this is really your story isn't it yeah yeah yeah no very much I mean I like I don't um I don't go into crazy detail about it probably because I don't know how to yet but the um I appreciate that Zane but the um but I think really the probably the sort of I had that thing which I'm sure you've
spoken to Lots I mean you you have a better seat in the house here than anyone else but I'm sure you've spoken to lots of people about this you've had this where like I had that feeling of when I was in the beginning of making
the first record like this feeling of not uh having suffered enough to Warrant the things that I was wanting to write about you know I mean that like imposter syndrome of like I can't be the one to write about this yeah um and then I did
suffer and I learned that I didn't need to is essentially what I'm saying like I now feel the real um relief having seen some very dark sides of humanity like I kind of now know that I didn't need to do that I was just as entitled to write about what
I want to write about yeah four years ago as I am now but for one reason that was the sort of Journey I had to go on to made a piece of it but it is a it is one of the sort of byproduct blessings of an experience
like that is that it sort of brings you closer to the other to your humans in the world there's a Stephen Colbert speech that is about two minutes long and is my Bible and actually I play it's like two minutes so I played to you yeah so this is like this is actually funny enough it's got a piece um with Brian just playing underneath it just because of drones but the refuted obviously yeah that there's two things right it's your
Bible That's now ultimately embellished by your Mentor yeah yeah [Music] um so this is that it's a gift to a guest it's a gift to exist and with existence comes suffering there's no escaping that [Music] I didn't learn it
that I was grateful for the thing I most wish hadn't happened is that I realized it is that and it's a it's an odd lot of the guilty feeling it doesn't mean you I don't want it to have happened I wanted to not have happened right but
if you are grateful for your life which I think is a positive thing to do [Music] um not everybody is and not I'm not always um but it's the most positive thing to do then you have to be grateful for all of it it's you can't it can choose what you're grateful for so what do you get from loss you get awareness of other people's lives well that's true which allows you to connect with that other person right which allows you to love more deeply and
to understand what it's like to be a human being and so at a young age I suffered something so that by the time I was in serious relationships in my life with friends or with my wife or with my children is that
I some understanding that everybody is suffering and however imperfectly acknowledge their suffering and to connect with them and to love them in a deep way that not only accepts that all of the suffer but also then makes you grateful for the
fact that you have suffered so you can know that about other people and that's that's what I mean it's it's about the fulfillness of your Humanity what's the point of being here and being human if you can't be the most human you can be and that involves acknowledging and ultimately being grateful for the things that I wish didn't happen [Music] you really believe that [Music] yes [Music] yeah so that is I have no words to beyond that foreign