I am here for this and I'm learning all of the ways how to integrate Carri and Fletcher into want to truly bring that Human Experience and not it be like oh what do people want to hear from me it's like no what is the truth of where I'm really [Music] at good to see you so good to see you too I didn't even know if you're a sheep
and Wolf's clothing or wolf and sheep's clothing right now you I think you're probably a sensitive vulnerable human being who looks like a rock star yeah I I got my Matrix jacket on but you know what I'm feeling a little I got my M Matrix jacket on but I'm also holding a crystal you know what I mean so it's it's the balance a little into the room
everything's contrast all of it can be true and you're a pces you're crazy and you're about to turn 30 so you're double crazy oh no don't do don't bring it up I'm 50 dude in a week it gets better it gets better you know what I'm excited I am excited to turn a new Leaf to turn a new chapter anyway it's such a waste of an opportunity most of the time that's the
whole point it's also you're just like scrambling trying to figure out who you are y yeah and and I feel like beautiful and I've been able to figure out who I am through music over the years like it's been the vessel for me exploring myself and even now looking back even at what all my projects have been called of like finding Fletcher you know the sex
tapes um all like girl of my dreams there's been these through lines of me just like deeply searching it's been Missy but it's you've been open about it and that's what's great about it and I mean Life Is Life is and we look to Art to sort of to try to kind of justify our own mess I think and to say hey it's okay you don't have all the answers you
don't figure it out you never will it's not the point yeah but I don't think enough is actually said about your dedication like you finished College you didn't have to probably you checked out for a minute did you came back and you saw it through why well I took a year leave of absence um and I I went down to Nashville and I wrote my first ever EP
there called finding Fletcher and then I went back and I was simultaneously releasing music and going to school at the same time I was at the Clive Davis Institute of recorded music at NYU and I was doing internships and I was interning at you know record labels and management companies and publishing companies and really was just wanting to
understand the business in in all of its forms always knowing you were going to take that information and apply it to your own journey and being artist yeah well just just because I I know that it takes a village for an artist and and just in life in general like we need Community we need other people we need that support and um yeah I just really
wanted to know what it was like in all of the aspects involved in an artists career so I could also be able to express the immense gratitude to everybody that has been a part of bringing my vision to life over the course of the years there was a great moment in the Oscars the night we Emma Stone talked about being really
terrified about accepting the award the possibility of accepting the award she inevitably won and the director turning around saying take yourself out of it and I thought that's like such great advice for an artist because so much centers around your voice you delivering the quality of the music you touring it you bringing it to life and you have
yeah all the support of people and it does take a village and everyone a great team supports a great team but I think it's it's really healthy for an artist to take themselves out of it if they can at times well yeah also especially this like the the archetype of the celebrity even is just such a strange phenomenon and when you think about from an
evolutionary perspective like our bodies aren't really cut out for these things like we're meant to just be in like caves eating sleeping and and you know what I mean Human Condition stuff yeah and here we are like around all this technology and these lights and my body and I'm like here I'm holding a rock trying to find my center but being
honest with yourself as you turn a milestone into a new decade looking back over the last decade can you look at saw it from the eyes and say that you didn't crave it no oh my gosh I absolutely craved it all the ways that I have sought external validation and lived for an Applause and and I and I built so much of my selfworth you know I started
with classical vocal training when I was 5 years old I've always been in music this is my Pathway to appreciation and value to Value to love it was the thing that like set me apart from people it's like Carrie sing at the party sing at the family party you know audition for this play try for this TV show all the things and I was just it was a way that
I was able to receive you know build my selfworth and so such a big part of my adulthood and now really even over this last year has been like what is my worth outside of all of that that's what this album sounds like to me focusing on antidote it sounds like you have finally made a record that isn't attached to anyone else's um metric of value that
it's like hang on this has to just be mine of course I think there's always an ele there's always an element of it there because we you know we exist in a world in a society where it's like people put so much there's so much expectation and so but I but I also think such a big part of this album was me like getting really quiet and just
going internally and I disappeared off social media for like 6 months and I was really going through it with like a deep deep Health struggle and health journey and my body started to completely just shut down on me and I had no choice but to like look at who the person was in the mirror and all the ways that I was not operating from a space of integrity
and alignment and like honoring myself and my body and yeah showing up in this space is is so hard there's so much about it that I'm have so much gratitude for like truly to be able to sing and go on tours and perform these songs for thousands of people who are like screaming back the words that I made up in my bedroom you know out of
thin air and then also all of the pressure that comes with with it that you that externally and internally that we put on ourselves I think that's where you have to try to take yourself out of it because it's so true because I think that you know there's enough going on with the travel and with the lifestyle and the hours you have to keep and it's
tough on the body and it's tough on the mind it's not a normal place and by the way life goes on around you I've had this conversation thousands of times with artists about achieving your goals and dreams only to realize that everybody else's life continues and and that's when you realize the real trade the trade is that you are following your
dreams and the and the cost is that everybody else is getting on with their life and that's time and that's experience and memories and moments and things you don't get back that's the TR and also we're all the like the main characters of our own stories you know like we really are it's like you're the main character of your movie I'm the
main character everybody in this room like we're all the the main character and it's finding that balance of that and also taking yourself out of it and realizing it's not that deep not that deep it's not that serious it's it's all good you know it's it's all good your custom Beats headphones look at you stepping out look at me I got Fletcher
there's Fletcher and antidote engraved in here I mean they're the same color as let me do a full as your current as your current hair color as well so the whole thing is just beautifully aligned yeah I've been through a couple hair you've seen me through all my hair color Chang some hair color changes wow we've been through it together Z we have I feel
like from day one we got we dived in our conversations got pretty deep pretty Qui I always get nervous about our conversations because I never know the ever you do no but just because we go you go there first of all you touched on this a little bit so I hope you're okay just kind of clearing it up what happened healthwise I was diagnosed with
Lyme disease last year and and the symptoms can be confusing for some people cuz it's so what you mystery sort of illness um it can look different for for everybody um yeah and for me for me it just really showed up as just like my body just like shutting down in all the ways my muscles like uh energy um vocal cords um mentally emot all of it and I just yeah
and I and I went to go seek some answers I went on like a search to go find the antidote to what was happening in my in my body and the antidote has been many things for me over the course of my life it's been the women it's been fans it's been stages it's been bottles of tequila it's been writing petty ass music and this last year it was it was
healing like the antidote was healing and finding you know get finding answers and and really and of course there's so much that goes into a health Journey right but it's also for me it was like well you hope it's a lifelong journey it's a lifelong journey and there's so many aspects involved in it but you cannot isolate the heart the mind the
body and the soul from one another it's it's this it's this journey of it collectively together and so healing all of those things like unprocessed feeling and emotion and childhood stuff well the body often tries to protect you from acknowledging the tough stuff so it stores a lot of stuff well it's then it starts to show up in the body when you
are when you are ignoring it and it's just like hey you've missed every Red Flag Warning Sign now I'm going to hard you've got no cerebral pathway and so your body's just holding on to that's what I think and it was and it was just all stored and then I just like I collapsed and I watched tours be pulled down I watched numbers get quiet
I watched streams go down and then all this other stuff got really quiet and then all these other things got really loud like my my mind like the darkness in my mind my belief about my self-worth my belonging my purpose my all of these things just started to come to the surface of like who am I outside of all of that isn't it great to know it can
all go away and you'll be fine yeah it is truly the most freeing thing of like I have so much gratitude to be here and but also I don't need it I'm good yeah I hear it in the Rood you know I hear it in the music and it's lean it's 11 songs and you know I would expect someone who went through that kind of um physical transformation that led to some form of
sort of holistic renewal to be leaning into that space a little more but um no there's some pissed off on here this album is a is is about love and all of its infinite manifestations and for me love right is like giving voice to all of the parts all of the feelings the full Journey the rage The Joy the lust the being horny the being
your ego like there's a song on my album called ego talking and I walked into the studio one day and I was feeling a lot of jealousy and insecurity and like some attachment things were coming up and I was like oo my this is this song is not going to be a song from my the highest version of myself the best healed version of myself my ego needs the mic
my ego needs to do some talking yeah and so to be able to it's about all of this and my fans always joke they're like Fletcher's never healed a day in her life you know and I think thanks and I think it's and I think it's about when I'm writing songs like Becky so hot and all of these sort of unhinged records in a way got a point they've got
a point I mean got they' got a your story up valid assessment you know your story up to in search of is um even trying I'm just going to burn it down and see what's left and that's kind of been elements of that throughout and those are the things we focused a little bit about I mean I remember the conversation I had with you maybe two
three chats ago about Becky and you were relishing the drama you were like oh yeah this I am here for this let's go I was lying yeah you even jumped on my social media feed and pumped it up even more cuz you were so into the conversation around that song now you say you were lying give us the wisdom you've developed since that moment to now well there's a song on my album
called doing better and love it we were just playing it it is a song it's a followup to a song on my last album grow of my dreams called better version and the I ends with and now some other person's going to get the better version of me and so in this time off I was sitting and I was like what's the better version of me doing and is she really
doing better and I had to really sit with that and I was reflecting it's a song about a reflection of that time in my life during that era and the lyrics the the verses like me making fun of myself all the ways that I was acting so cocky like your girlfriend never thanked me for making her go viral it I'm Idol I get sad and spiral y buy a new whip but
you'll never see me take the high road and it's a commentary on all of the ways of that time in my life not feeling good and so here I am I'm doing all these things I'm getting to be on a stage performing with Miley Cyrus I'm performing this song and yeah I'm so sick on the inside and so because you're drinking the you juice a lot of
that stuff is just driven from the desire to prove to somebody not yourself that you're better than the person they left yeah and which is derived from a place of life like a place of of scarcity within yourself of like I I've got something to prove and so I look back on that time and I'm like and I and I am somebody who will always stand by writing your
emotions writing your feelings I'm an artist like I'm going to I'm not I'm going to up I'm not going to do things perfectly but I would not release that I would not release that song I would have written it because yeah there that was true that was in that was in truth in the moment for me so no regrets but but if are you saying you wouldn't release
it knowing yourself who and who you've become now or if you had a chance to do it again you wouldn't if I had a chance to do it again I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't release it but that's also not real because we cannot go back in time so I'm reflecting from the space in now it's the first one then you know it's it's it's knowing yourself and the
person that you are becoming you recognize that so the question for you now is would will you play that song Live Well I play Becky so hot live yeah I do think I have to give it to the gays see this is the this is the contradiction on display right here it's a powerful statement till you till you play it live you're like I would
not release that song now but ladies and gentlemen you've been waiting for this one let's rock but it's a part of the evolution like I had to have better version to have Becky so hot to have doing better which is just a commentary on life in general all the ways but I'd be it would be cherish of me not to establish my own commentary on you got
to give it give it to me give me the peanut gallery I like it no I'm I am not in the peanut gallery I'm in the front row of your and I'm that you can you summ it up you know it's fine to have your feelings about what that s meant to you in the moment and how you've evolved and grown I'll leave it here it's going to be interesting to know how you feel after
you stop playing it live now I've been rehearsing it I even through rehearsal it like it lands really funny in my body for me that's the question what does it feel like I understand you it's a gift for the fans and you feel you need to tell it's part of your story but it's got to feel different of course it feel it feel it feels feels different even
when I was performing it at the time there was a there was just like a seed there that I'm like oo the seed that planted this song was like from a space of what a pure intention of just wanting to be like yeah she's hot I get it and then but also all the ways that that you know ended up being perceived by people and then watching what how it unfolded
and everyone's jumping up and down to the coner singing along with you and you're like hm yes out of body experience and so now because I have found like forgiveness in myself through that time um have expressed the way that I have felt about that chapter in my life I feel like being able to perform it now is just like I can experience the like
the rowdiness and the hype and the energy and the joy you know of of of what that song and the fun and the play it's a it's a healthy disassociation from the from the original sentiment in order to create a piece of art it's an artistic statement now not a personal statement yeah right you got to the artist has to remove themselves sometimes you got to take yourself out
of it take yourself out of it how did you know you ready to make music again it's pretty tough going through that kind of you know health health scare like that and having to put yourself back together and you know making music is not an easy easy road to begin it's it's going to take a lot out of you and there's a lot on this record I can tell
took a lot out of you I mean just that song two things can be true I feel like would have been a tough day in the studio yeah I think that that song was I wrote that song with Julia Michaels um of course she did hell she's a beast she is literally she deserves 10 of those I mean no one does day-to-day conversation in the form of a song like
she does genius genius so yeah anyway this has become a fan page now for Julia Michaels just a brief one so yeah how did you know that that you had the strength to make something new this album took a lot of energy but it also gave me so much energy and truly because I was in the place where my body was like so depleted I would go to the
studio and and I didn't have the energy for a facade like I didn't have the energy to try to like overperform my vocals or I didn't have the energy to I just had to show up in truth and like sing and because so much was happening with my body and my vocal cords were changing and I had to let go of all the like technicality of the way
that I've used to been used to sing before and I just had to show up and like sing from my heart and write from my heart and so it took a lot but it also gave me back so much I also wrote most of this album in my hometown in New Jersey and so I was going back and forth from the studio my mom would make me a little pasta and then I would go back
and record a vocal and then I would go home and you went home to recover mhm yeah I just had to go I went back to my childhood bedroom I think we can probably go there um we've known each other a while when you got home what was the first thing and or the sentiment of the first thing that your mother said to you that reflected the learning that you had
to come to yourself that she probably saw was coming you know that moment when parents are like I've been kind of waiting for this moment a little bit was there lement to that like the way you've been living the way you've been moving I mean my parents have just yeah they've been watching me since I was a little kid just go go go go go push push push
push push push push and my parents have never have never pushed me it's always come from like an internal an internal desire to like prove something to myself that I was like worthy or valid in some way and I yeah and like my mom's like also weird she's like witchy and kind of psychic and she always knows what I'm
feeling and she always knows she'll call me and just be like why aren't you telling me about so and so and I'm like what so she knew something was going on with you before you even came home yeah and she was just like and and she's Italian you know I I wrote a song called maybe it's the jersey and me which maybe I'll release at some point in time and
there's a line in there that it's like it's my Italian mother and my blood and uh yeah I get like the road rage from my from my dad the jersey and me um but yeah Mom Mom knows and um I think to just be held in that like to be held in that energy of she's like you know her love language is food too she's like what do you want what do you want what
can I cook you and um I think to go back and be able to reflect in that space in my childhood bedroom where I process so much as a kid so much growing up around struggling with my sexuality and my identity and all of it like I was suddenly just sitting in it literally having like Letters From My Friends in sixth grade and journals and like Bo blank
go go holy they just demolished your family home and built a quickie M welcome to existential crisis yeah what was your first sleep like when you in your childhood bedroom panic panic attack panic attack I still had a mural on my wall of like a I had this like beach mural of like a palm tree on my wall that has been up since the sixth
grade why my parents keep our rooms the same man our kids are about to go to college this year yeah and when he goes man I'm turning that room into a studio drum it's a drum room it's a new fresh fresh Vibe where is he going to sleep when he comes home though that it's going have a beer fridge drumit I'm going to have six TVs in there lined up just to watch sports it's
going to be like by the way my wife's going to love it we're going to sit there and we're just going to play drums and drink beers it sounds like a man cave it's giving me anxiety n it's it's more like a marriage cave okay I like it yeah it's strong relationship goals it's what it should be giving you honestly T I need some advice on that clearly
listen is this album clearly can you help me no based on what I'm hearing on this record ABS beond the your search for the antidote and I cannot help you right now cuz there there's some on this album it's like wow man you've definitely done a lot of work on yourself but you still going and I and I know I'm in my Saturn return right
now you know you are fully in your Saturn you're not alone AR's in his Saturn return um who else do we speak to huh Casey's in her sattin return um da is in her set I spoke to Da the other day she's in a set and return I'm speaking to all these amazing pop stars and and superstars who are all like yeah being through some like you know
yeah we're all just we're in it I think you just you just get confronted with so much of you and who you are and all the things that are not in alignment in your life you have no choice but to like really look at it and face it and that was this album was me sitting down and just and and feeling it and facing it and uh what's a Pisces go through and
set return what's a Pisces go through well it depends what house your Saturn is in so individual I mean it's a mathematical equation as I said the other day to somebody that really pertains on every individual and course over the course of their life and what they have to learn to move forward so what was your experience in your set
mine was in the sixth house of uh work and health so of course it's the the back back home yeah and fully but the it's so like there's something about the Stars right that it's like we're Cosmic like we're Stardust we're like M we're matter we're I believe that to be true yeah we're all made of made of that stuff and so there's something about the blueprint
of the sky and the stars and and and and where all the stars were placed on the day you were born at the exact time that you were born that lays out some sort of blueprint Cosmic blueprint for the trajectory in the course of your life and so it's so funny when you start to learn about it and you're just like oh wait wait why does all everything all of
a sudden make sense and there's this there's this like there's this relief of it in a way that's like yes I have free will in the sense of how I choose to show up but there's also a part of it that's like some things feel destined you know and your challenges and all the things we're meant to navigate and grow through and grow through and learn
through is um yeah it's like pretty it's pretty profound and I feel like I kind of dumped all of that into this record and even and but there there'll be more you know the next it's always a search you're just getting started you're just getting start scratching the tip of the iceberg for sure I feel like this is in a way no disrespect to girl or any other
things you've done we've spoken through those moments had Great Moments this is like where it starts really cuz um you're a smart writer really smart writer I listen to your words and I'm like huh okay a lot of turnaround a lot of twists in the tail thought I knew the song now I don't know the song or maybe I do know the song All In the space of
three minutes you love to write clever you love to keep people guessing in your and so I think that like having a stronger connection to your spiritual side over the course of your life isn't going to make you cleverer yeah cuz there's there's still so many parts of me that I haven't even accessed yet that's the exciting part
it's that it's it's forever a journey and so yeah there's this this album was like the version of me that existed when I finished writing it and then there's going to be a million million more you know we're all just like yeah I'm like a cat with nine lives giving diet the first song that came on was Joy Ride oh wow I said that's like the last
second to last song on the record it's also the first song that I heard on the album which is um it is Fletcher at her most unbridled sexually uh connected but I never know when you're writing about it whether it's through Joy or sometimes it's distraction or sometimes it's it's revenge or sometimes it's just a very intense experience hearing you sing a
song like Joy r cuz I'm like this ain't just a straight Seck song this this is a weird wrapped up this like something's going on with the song you know what I mean it's deeply nuanced yeah there's like there's sexual tension there I'm not wrong here right like it's not just to straight up hey you're hot I'm hot is get it on for 6 hours on the kitchen
bench it's a pretty intense ride that song No it's like sex it's also like the these are all the things that that I'm like navigating my my avoidance and relationships steal the keys to my heart take it for a joy ride yeah nobody catches the girl but I dare you to try steal the keys to my heart take it out for a joy ride yeah ma'am yeah it's but
the first part you said as well about avoiding your own actual true feelings is much easier when you are steeped in a lust mode or in an attraction mode it's it's easy to just stay there and not see the other side of it do you recognize that in you're writing a little bit cuz I do feel like to some degree attraction you write it
really well but I also feel like it's a it's a attraction could be a distraction if I listen to your music yeah absolutely because there's also even just from a biological perspective like when we're falling in love too there's so many chemicals involved there's serotonin there's dopamine there's adrenaline there's a I have a song on my
album called eras of us brilliant by the way my second favorite song on the record thank you I I ran into my ex-girlfriend at the Taylor Swift concert at the AAS tour you ran into your ex ran into my ex coner and we hugged for the first time since the day we broke up oh that's a good one how what was the hug like was it over was it it's over hug it was like
it was a healing hug beautiful that's the best kind of hug it was a healing hug it was like a deeply deeply healing hug and I and I wrote in the lyric like I've been practicing this moment but I never thought I'd see you again good lyrics man Fletcher you're a real writer man thanks dude really like no wonder Julian Michaels is stacking up the
sessions yeah we got a couple we got a couple songs on my on my album together but I don't know why I was telling you that I ran into my ex at of us yeah but there was something that you said before that about attraction being a distraction attraction being a distraction yes oh what I was going to say is that yeah there's so many
emotions involved and I called myself an adrenaline in the eras of us Bridge you know lately I've been swinging fists and starting a fight I've been trying to kill the memory of you in my mind it's a cross I'm going to Bear until the day that I die and there's a there's something there's something about an adrenaline the problem is yeah the problem is that I'm just an
adrenaline is what I say and it's me calling myself out in all the ways that I'm like I deeply crave love and intimacy and also all the ways that I push it away that there's this like endless you know this this because when you see that it's a void that you're trying to fill yes nothing nothing's ever going to be enough no one is ever going to be
enough it's insatiable well that you could say the same about the um desire for attention Fame success validation through the lens of others you could say that about um the people that you surround yourself with and your relationships plutonic professional um the people who how they really relate to you how they make you see yourself is it
the real image of youh right um and you can say that absolutely about relationships and to your point it in search of the antidote what is the antidote what is going to untangle all of this and allow me to make better decisions based on what is really important to me right not this bottomless pit of desire for love for attention seeking yeah well because it's
endless it's that that is an end a great word desire I mean desire is the kind of word you you know it's a tattooable word man I mean it's a goodlooking word and it's the kind of thing that when you throw it around people often put a positive connot connotation around I have a desire a desire to be successful a desire to be
loved to desire but desire is like to me it feels hungry and selfish and needy littleit there's there's a neediness there's a selfishness there of a desire there's a it's well it also well it's a sin I mean it's if you want to take it back to Biblical times right it's actually one of the Seven Sins yeah and it also insinuates that it is
something that you do not yet have yes there it is exactly it's something that you do not yet have in this now moment what are you willing to do to get it to get it and so then all of a sudden you are projecting all of these things into the future of you know once I have this amount of money once I have this amount of Fame success friends relationships I
will be happy wow so desire really is a bottom is a NeverEnding Story it's a never-ending story so when you bring it back to because then it it is everywhere but the present moment correct and so it is everything outside of you and so the antidote is what is it I think it's it's it's got to it's got It's it's what it's what it is for me is
going to be different what for you for you for you for all of us but it is boiling down to the very very very very essence of what and who you truly are outside of all of it it's self Lov you said this is a love album to me every single song arrives at the same point which is I need to love myself right I'm doing better am I really I got to figure
that that out I got to love myself before I can actually feel like I'm doing better and I can move past you you know yeah smiling on the outside crying on the inside you would never know cuz I'm posing with my good side correct joy ride right brilliantly written very modern explicit like version of a relationship a human song but again a
distraction from what I really need in my life life to some degree yeah right um pretending uh erors of us two things can be true all of these to me are just are you just going and I can't I'm not going to run any away not going to run away anymore from this right yeah I'm feeling it I'm I'm still in it right now I hope you're not uncomfortable in the
conversation about it cuz I'm loving it no no no I'm deeply I I am here for this you know I'm here for this and I'm learning all of the ways how to integrate carry and Fletcher into and to like bring my to truly bring that Human Experience and not it be like highlighted in a way that's like oh what do people want to hear from me it's like
no what is the truth of where I'm really at and really getting to bring that to to spaces where I can really get to speak what's on my heart and so I have a lot of gratitude for the space that you curate here which allows artists to come to the table as themselves like as the core of who they are and so feel lucky well that's awesome I feel very
fortunate to be able to do it I learn a lot every time and um it's a human experience it's music is the key that unlocks the room but every room's different and it's it's a real privilege to be able to talk to to to True artists about about their process and where they are at any given moment um you know you may have been through it on a health
level but uh compared to other times that I've met you or seen you or interviewed or whatever you you look healthier than I've ever seen you so whatever the workers you put into this you just like there's just a light in your eyes I think that that I haven't seen before um so it's working dude it's working thank you how you maintaining it
how are you being disciplined cuz it takes work that's why I said it you know the health kick the thing of like the journey you hope it's a lifelong journey cuz it's really easy to fall off and get back into Old Habits it is and I would be like yeah there's periods of time where I've been really taking care of myself with like breath work and
meditation and therapy and eating really healthy and you know and and being fortunate enough to like be able to buy healthy food and supplements and all the thing that's a massive privilege and so to be able to take care of my physical vessel and my body that's been the biggest thing for me is like healing my nervous system learning how to
self-regulate and um yeah and I'm in it right now and I would be lying to like I've had a really rough week like I've been super ungrounded and off out of my center and a lot of just yeah a lot of anxiety has come up for me and i' just but also just being able to speak into that of just like showing up in truth it is not this beautiful polished thing and
I'm not healed and I and and I'm healing and it is not a linear journey and it is not a linear process no I was talking to someone about this this morning who's going through some I was like process is the point it's not the entire point but it's a big part of it and it makes total sense you're going through this you turn 30 on the 19th your album
comes out on the 21st I mean come on yeah I mean you talk about set it up I mean you know I leave for South America tomorrow I do not have a single bag packed that's fine don't worry about that that's just time and space and physical stuff that's just like stuff it is just things I always laugh at the airport when I see people just walking
around with just like s suitcase I'm like humans are so cute we're just walking around with bags of stuff the point is that you're about to go back out into an unnatural environment yes you're about to spend time and airports waiting mhm cues planes delays are inevit B yeah I know I feel your pulse going up right this is there's a purpose
for this I'm I'm not trying to make you feel sick I'm trying to get you in the game I'm trying to get you in the game yeah so rather than stand in a terminal laughing at families you miss I know but it's it works for my point okay you need to just two things can be true two stop quoting yourself I got to I got got a lot of bombs on this one this has been a good
one you just give yourself every opportunity to do it right look forward to packing your suitcase cuz it's easy and great and everything looks good in it yeah right the reframe reframe that cuz touring is gonna it's just you're about to leave the Cocoon my friend yeah you're starting in South America craziest most awesome crowd
everil I've never been I've gotten so many comments that say come to Brazil and I I finally come to Brazil I'm so lucky that I get to do what I do every day you know that I get to write these songs that I get to go play these songs all over the world in Europe in the UK and Australia New Zealand South America you got real fans and and like obsessive
brilliant fans who want you to win um where does this album sit for your fans in their life how do you hope they live with it and and turn to it if you could design the experience a little bit I know it's Unique where do you really ideally want people to turn to this record for me like this album was written to meet people wherever they are
at that's the thing it was it was written to meet you wherever you're at if there is you know and to feel all of it to feel the full range of your emotions like whatever you're in you know there's a song for everything there's been many Muses on this album too I wrote about you know in past projects I think there was like a specific Focus yep I had a lot of Muses
there's friends there's friend breakups there's lovers there's all of it like a lot of Muses that in itself is a real sign of growth as a writer because you know I think the idea of of struggling to create a strong foundation for relationships has been The Benchmark of many many wonderful songs and projects and albs and probably the most common MH
and I always wonder like when you write about it does it actively help you strengthen your parameters and boundaries of what you need to have a healthy relationship or is it just circling the issue over and over again I mean I think it could be a combination of the two but I think it it allows me to dive a little bit deeper into my
psyche like writing allows me to call up a feeling and emotion and kind of work it through and put it into art so it's almost this like alchemical process that happens through the course of writing something that I because I am able to get it outside of my body right and then it's not mine any once it's out it's not mine anymore arst getting out of the way it's like
this isn't me anymore and then I can use that space to feel into something new to experience to explore something new yeah there's this level of it that's like oh I can like I can see that I can see that pain or that chaos existing in a vessel outside of me and then that can be something that just goes and sails you know the ocean of life now and meets
people where they're at but then you get a chance to like I said you get the replacement therapy where it's like okay I don't have to be that person anymore wrote about that person experience that and song I understand it I can look in that and refer to that and know that's who I was yeah so now who do I want to be well then it's but it's it's always
that like we are always we are always growing we are always evolving like I love I love all of the women that I have been it's awesome awesome who's doing it right right now who Do You Love artistically who do you love who are you a fan of straight simple question who do you just think is fantastic and you think's getting it right I love Ryan Bey
so much oh can we just for a second just talk about that album I mean revons the most perfect I mean lyrically you know it hurts me to to think about that album you know you the most beautiful like it is it hurts ways there can no no no no sunrises ever promised so I hold my baby in my arms I thank him God w w us up by Sunrise I got the second God us up by
sunrise and it's just it is like it is literally the definition of just Simplicity it is just it is vocals it is emotion it is so raw it is so unfiltered there's no there's no show around it it just is I know I know this is the it's out of my hands what can I tell you I'm not losing it I'm just having a laugh counting my Paces I'm making faces
at the one who stares at me at the end of the glass you Ryan that's just perfect poetry that's unbelievable that is every human being searching for for a a a place in a room of people that don't know you to process pain in a human way through the filter of a glass of alcohol and it is the most beautifully summed up sentiment like
incredible being there totally being there wow it's so cool to to watch you speak about artists work also other artists that I love and Ador and a fan of it's like we're so lucky yeah and it just it it it hits it hits in such a way and those are the records that I that I put on when I just need to know when I just need to feel something um I'm also
deeply in a different energy troice saans something to give each other yeah is one of my favorite albums they Kindred Spirits in in ways and know I don't know if they know each other but to me coming from different points to your point they're both exploring real Human Experience in different tempo right like very open writers CH being
that Ryan on that album but now he's like I'm dancing and I'm open and I'm and I'm willing but still giving so much like I still got it bad or like every lyric on that on that album too is just you get to you feel you feel the depth of it but it's in this space of play and it's in this space of Rhythm and bass and you get to dance in it you get to
dance in the chaos you get to dance in the pain and you just it's it's two sides of the same coin it's all it there's there's part of me really wants a Troy a version of that Troy album in the in the Ryan style to hear those songs come to life and someone's got to take that album that Ryan album Calico and put a deep house moment under it right
something that's just like me up that would be I I don't know if we would survive it can you imagine though no satellites in the material things oh my god with the C there's a million ways oh it's just there it's just there someone got to do it so and they won't but they could but you know I think it draws us back into your room in a really natural
way because you love to break hearts and including your own to Tempo and you know there's something very rewarding about dancing through the pain if it wasn't we wouldn't have Robin and Janet Jackson and house music as a genre right we wouldn't have it I mean that was all music that came out of pain and protest that was those clubs of safe places for
people who are ostracized by quote unquote Community or Society um who found a safe place to go dance with one another and talk about their paining those songs protest songs and so I feel like in a way you you you you fit that Bill like I do feel like as a writer you are a protest writer in a lot of ways you know so I think thank you actually I've
never um heard that reflection but I think there's yeah there's a big part of me that just I just stand for love in so many ways and protesting in the sense of standing up for there it is for people and their belonging in the world world and their safety within themselves and within their bodies and amongst community and and also all the ways that I
protest myself well that's an put myself on display and and do intentionally you know sort of light a fire to my life and see what's left that's an important one because that's the thing that we struggle with I think as people a lot is to uh actually protest our own our existence yeah which is a really important part of growth to
actually take a step back and say you know I am anti this you know just because I'm experiencing it doesn't mean that it's by choice in many respects it was actually given to me not in a gift way but it just as a hand down mhm and I I protest this I'm anti- this behavior um and I choose a different path that's what this antidote record is I think you
just chose your path it's been good talking with you huh it's always fun man yeah we always go we always Traverse some but it doesn't feel deep it doesn't feel like oh we're going deep it just feels like they just these things just pop up it just pop up CH start where it goes It goes yeah let's just what us keep going till next time