this week we're going to play our favorite new game show guess who's got covid yes that's right somebody on the Pod somebody's got coded it's not the Me Oh No you're ruining the game oh sorry so here's the game person who got covered have they been vaccinated or not okay all four of us have been vaccinated we covered that on
our previous spot so everybody's vaccinated double vacs did we all get Pfizer I was Pfizer Pfizer Pfizer Pfizer okay so Pfizer across the board we got quads and this is a breakthrough infection has anybody taking a z-pack after a night of party [Laughter] lasted 39 episodes that was good that
was good okay so number one clue number one this best a breakthrough infection Outdoors at a restaurant number one got it Outdoors number two got it from somebody who was also vaccinated number three this bestie does not fly commercial and he's not a fan of being interrupted and he is not an Evangelical David the
Breakthrough vaccination David sacks I'm glad that uh am I getting a breakthrough case of covet is uh is comedy fodder for you somehow we'll let your winner slide [Music] [Music] foreign what happened and then how you felt yeah okay so what happened and we're glad you're safe obviously obviously we
wouldn't be joking you're still losing weight you lost five pounds so yeah yeah so you may want to read some of the beautiful text messages we sent you when we found out this week yes Jason what would you say Jason you said it uh I was just like wow big about who we could recruit for the fourth spot
Keith or a boy we get Peter teal in here I said that I really really hope you didn't die but if you did I would love to have your plane as a support plane for my plane I was thinking you know what I might be pro-san Francisco if you die I could I might want all right well sorry guys I'm gonna live sorry Jason I'm gonna live
here's basically what happened okay is um so Tuesday of last week I had dinner with a few friends and then my friend just we're out outdoors in a restaurant yeah I'll tell you exactly where we were at matsahisa in La which happened in the outdoor parking lot yeah yes the outdoor parking lot area which is a covered
outdoor area so you know these like covered areas are effectively inside because it traps the air in there but at any event we had dinner there um the next day he woke up with a fever and sore throat he went and got a covet test he tested positive he is also double vaxed with Pfizer okay so and and
I reported this to you guys last week on last week's show so I went out right away on Wednesday got a covet test was negative I repeated the test on Friday was negative and then Sunday rolls around and I wake up and I got a fever I don't really have a sore throat but I've got kind of a I'd say an occasional
dry cough and I've got and I've got some sinus congestion David mild fever or like like 99.9 or like 102.1 it topped off at about 99.9 it's apparently a fever yeah really fever but I mean it was definitely there and I took Tylenol and it brought it down to the low 99s and uh so any event first thing Monday
morning I went and got the covet test and sure enough I had covid uh they can't confirm that it's Delta variant but they think it is because that's what's like exploding in LA right now and so yeah I mean look I mean the good news is it's very mild I mean I'm it's now Thursday and I feel like I'm like 99
recovered I don't have a fever anymore are you 10 days in now this no no no no this is the you know I came down with symptoms on this past Sunday and it's now Thursday so I am and when were you exposed Tuesday night so I was but yes you're right it's about 10 days you're convinced that was the only way
you could have gotten it right yeah because somebody else at the dinner got has symptoms now too ah so it's a super spreader at matsuhisa yeah yeah basically but it shows you how virulent this new Delta variant is I mean you've got there are four people out that night plus the person who who had it and two out of the four basically
got it and we were all vaccinated including the person who had it and of course he didn't know he had it he didn't have any symptoms till the next day so um and you know I got it I got it five days after exposure it's that five days is like clockwork you know did you um did you have like a pulse ox did you
measure any of these other things did any of that stuff change at all yeah I mean I've have the pulse ox meter and it's been around 95 so it is Dallas yeah you should be like 98 right yeah it is down slightly it is down slightly and if you go to 92 or 93 they say go to the emergency room I think and and did you
self-isolate from your family yeah I did but we were lulled a little bit into a a place of overconsciousness yeah well I remember I got I got kova test on Wednesday and then Friday and they're both negative I thought we were through it so I was at home and um and then and then so my 11 year old got it
even though I was isolating this thing is I mean this thing is so contagious so you know what I've read is that Delta variant is 60 more transmissible than the UK variant which was the alpha variant the alpha variant was 60 more transmissible than original covid so you're looking at a transmissibility you
multiply those together of two and a half times the original and the original covid had an R naught of two to three so you multiply two to three by two and a half times and you're looking at five to eight and you know explain to the audience what that means in terms of reality it means the r naught is uh how
many people does the average infected person transmit before they know they have it and can fully self-isolate and so you're going from the original Cove it was two to three Delta variant might be like eight we're getting up into like smallpox territory with this thing and it's all the more transmissible because
um you know vaccinated people can get it you know the the Israel data that we talked about in the show last week was 64 Effectiveness that Israel reported that the effectiveness of Pfizer had gone from like 95 to 64 in terms of preventing infections so you have maybe a third of vaccinated people can get it
and then they can spread it without even knowing they have it so I think we're at the point now where if you're not vaccinated you're gonna get you're going to get the Delta variant we're seeing now cases explode you know all over the country even in LA county they've now had a um the five-day average of cases has jumped 500 in one
month so pretty and Jason you've tweeted this if you are not vaccinated you are choosing to get the Delta variant at this point I mean this thing is extremely transmissible that's what uh there was a great tweet by Scott Adams the guy who the cartoonist who I wouldn't who listens to the Pod by the
way who does this into the pot uh he had a he had a really great quote he's like um uh today is either Wednesday yeah for uh those that are vaccinated or uh yet another day where the unvaccinated amongst you are likely to get uh coveted something like that right was that the two yeah basically today's Wednesday for
people who are vaccinated or it is the day you're gonna get you know the the virus yeah we gotta stop stop messing around with this thing now here's some here's some good news actually is um and so on on the the Wednesday when we found out that my friend had tested positive but again I was still negative I had no
symptoms I had nothing um I told my wife she had gotten one shot she hadn't gotten the second shot and we were on the fence about whether my 13 year old should get the vaccine they both raced out that day got vaccinated we did not get the virus so they had basically call it three or four days of the of the vaccine to trigger an
immune response in their system and it protected them they did not get sick sir and and David did you take anything else like prednisone you took nothing no steroids nothing nothing the only stuff I so my friend did take uh he did get prescribed prednisone my doctor thought that was unnecessary or a bad idea for
me all I took okay was Tylenol to control the fever and I took Flonase to reduce the sinus congestion look I mean I don't want to overstate this it was a very mild cold for me and that is why I think everybody should run out and get vaccinated what did you pair it with like a Pappy Van Winkle or did you go
with a screaming eagle has such a [ __ ] wine list you probably drank this like random swirl that's why you were drinking some like uh nigiri sake in all likelihood Freeburg last week I was uh asking you or maybe it was two weeks ago I was considering getting the moderna because I was like I think
getting two of these things will boost you into the high 90s you said I was crazy uh has your position changed on that yes okay explain because this is the one time I'm ever gonna be right about science a week before you so I I think that I think the data up to that point didn't necessarily
um kind of validate that additional level of action but now it does and I think new data is coming out so I saw uh an executive from a pharmaceutical company a few days ago okay who broke down some statistics that they looked at in Israel and what they were identifying was that of the newly infected cases in Israel
of people that are vaccinated uh nearly two-thirds of those people were vaccinated in January about 30 percent were vaccinated in February and less than 10 percent were vaccinated in March and I'm just approximating and I'm and I'm I'm just kind of transcribing you know uh from kind of what I remember him saying and
so he said you know the more recent vaccinations we're not seeing breakthrough cases breakthrough infections so the the more recently you're vaccinated um the the less likely you are to have this and then I I met with a a pretty well-known virologist a few days ago as well who highlighted for me that we are
seeing antibody titers decline over time in people but there's other studies that are showing which means that the antibodies against covid in your blood after you get the vaccine slowly go down over time so we're seeing that we knew that right we knew that to some extent but there was another study that showed
that memory B cells B cells are the immune cells that make antibodies and they remember the antibodies to make and they were worried are we losing those B cells in the human body and another study found actually they're in your lymph nodes so they they went in they pulled them out and they identified look
that these B cells are persistent we are having a persistent immune memory to covid when we get exposed to the vaccine or the virus and um and so you know those two data points both of them kind of said I think we're going to need to do a booster very soon for everyone and we're going to
need to get a third shot if the tail Freeburg seems like it's like six months yeah it sounds like he was saying that you're going to see an efficacy drop to that kind of two-thirds level after about six months of your after getting your your vaccine and you know he said look this Delta variant is virulent but you know the
more pressing kind of point isn't that it's this variant that's breaking through it's that the efficiency of these vaccines at this point looks like it's such that we're gonna need to do boosters now Pfizer went to the White House this week with some of this data and they presented it to the White House
and the White House said uh if you guys follow the news I I I'm hearing this I'm I'm repeating what I read in news reports at this point but what they said was uh you know we're not ready to kind of commit to doing booster shots for a couple of reasons one is there are a lot of people out there that haven't
had their first shots um and uh we're seeing the people that are having these breakthrough infections almost universally not always but very very large majority having very mild symptoms and not getting hospitalized and the death rate is still very very low in other words the vaccine did its
job the vaccine didn't didn't prevent you know an infection meaning that the virus starts replicating in in a way that's uncontrolled in your body but that your immune system had enough of a defense to keep it from causing severe disease in your body 99 of the people going to the hospital are unvaccinated right exactly and so
we're seeing that that great success still with the vaccine but they are seeing and there are now studies that you know I think referenced to your earlier point that you know if you put a different RNA strain um RNA sequence into your body which moderna and Pfizer have slightly different you know sequences you end up
creating different antibodies and having more diversity of antibodies uh can kind of provide greater immunity so it's almost certain we're going to get boosters and that we're going to end up seeing them hit the market next month yeah is the is the booster different than the original so for example if I get a Pfizer booster
and am I only basically getting still an expression of that RNA strand that I'm supposed to basically like is it the same formulation the same dosage so so both of those options are still up in the air and so we may still get the same vaccines that we were getting before you could go get a modernist shot you could
go get another Pfizer shot of the exact same RNA sequence that you got before or they may introduce some new ones and so all the Pharma companies are proposing both approaches and they're pursuing both pads right now and we'll see where we end up and what about swapping between an RNA approach and a
traditional vaccine approach so getting J and J plus moderna or Pfizer versus like there's a lot of a b testing we need to do to figure out what is the most efficacious this is exactly like the this is reminds me exactly of HIV where it took 10 years for them to figure out what cocktail actually worked
the best and now look HIV is I mean it's it's it's kind of level yeah nothing it's really not that not that bad the way that we probably for those of us in our 40s have it emblazoned in our mind is how bad it is versus how bad it is it was a death sentence it seemed like a death sentence and today it's kind of
more it's more manageable than frankly it's a chronic disease now that's manifest yeah it's like having diabetes or something yeah I have another crazy statement here which is that if you take the the case fatality rate of covid and um now you think about the fact that there's going to be call it 60 of
America that's vaccinated and then every six months we'll be getting boosters and then you have the petri dish on the other side of the 40 where you'll just be ripping through variant after variant after variant eventually it stands to reason that if 40 of Americans remain unvaccinated two or three years from now
the odds that there will be a strain that is the killer strain that does meaningful damage to those people I think is basically a hundred percent and if you think about a case fatality rate that's meaningfully high what you're effectively going to do is start to call these people from the earth and
that is a crazy idea but that's what folks who choose to not get vaccinated are setting themselves up I mean it's the quintessential you know uh is that just about probabilities like am I getting something wrong here probabilistically isn't that that's what I'm concerned about and it's not just
Americans not getting vaccinated it's the rest of the world I mean even if we got to externally extraordinarily High vaccination rates in the U.S there's going to be large you know numbers of people outside the US who never get vaccinated will continue to be a petri dish uh to give you to you know
comparison the common cold has 1800 variants that's why we can't get vaccinated so you know we're on the Delta variant right now I think they actually have numbered variants up to Lambda we're going to run out of the letters of the alphabet really soon you know how long will it be until there is there are these killer variants that
that I mean look I mean that could punch through that can punch through the the vaccines it's pretty scary actually and I would say that um this is like quite a come down off where we were just two weeks ago you know where we thought the Pfizer vaccine was still 95 effective now at 64 effective I mean look I I do want to
like underscore that the the vaccine worked in the sense that what I got was super mild I mean it was really just like getting a cold I mean I didn't need to take anything more serious than Tylenol but uh but it does show that the virus is mutating really fast it's highly transmissible and uh I'm not sure
you still have it you still have it right I still have it yeah yeah so when will you get tested to figure out when you don't have it anymore I'll probably go in tomorrow you know because it feels it feels to me like I'm about 98 better freebrook is there is there any data um about the pattern of people who are
vaccinated getting this thing like is there remember how like you know there was early data that showed you know women had a different immune response than men and like people who were what was it O positive or you know a certain blood type effectively had inborn immunity I haven't heard her read anything like that
um and so this is still an emerging issue I think um you know by the way I was vaccinated a few months ago guys like I mean I'm like saying you're three years right when was your second shot basically like a few months ago yeah it's uh mine was in March yeah one thing I think it's worth highlighting just to
reinforce the vaccine importance um you know the virologist the Infectious Disease guy I met with was telling me that um you know one way to think about this is the more opportunity the virus has to replicate the more opportunity it has to evolve and so when you're vaccinated and you have a mild case and your body
recovers in a few days um just to give you guys a sense the difference when someone that's not vaccinated has coveted and they've measured the viral load in the nodes from day one when they start having their infectious kind of presentation to day four which is when they Peak the viral load is 10 to the eighth higher
okay that's like a hundred million times higher and so that's a hundred million times more viruses that are being produced on day four than were being produced on day one when you were already showing symptoms so every time a virus is being produced and is replicating within your body uh it's getting a chance to mutate
the important point he emphasized was what matters most is we get the most number of people on planet Earth vaccinated as fast as possible because the faster you can get more people vaccinated the fewer opportunities you give the virus to replicate and find itself a mutational path that can
ultimately break through all these vaccines and and cause real severe loss of life um and so the you know the presentation that sax kind of described is encouraging in the sense that it likely means that the virus did not create that there wasn't that much of a viral load or a huge viral load relative to what
there would have been if he wasn't vaccinated um and so even though he did have an infection um you know the virus didn't get as much of a chance to spread to other people it didn't get but it did but it did because my friend who I got it from after one having dinner one night he was double vax with Pfizer and it might you know my
11 year old daughter got it yeah it's for her again it's just like a cold yeah but um so this thing is highly transmissible and what is it it changes it changes the equation I think on some policy questions so yeah that's what I was going to ask you what does it mean for the fall what now what
so two weeks ago I thought that because I was vaccinated I didn't need to care whether other people were vaccinated because the you know up until that point the data was you were 95 plus you know Effectiveness so why care if other people get vaccinated now we can say for sure that that unvaccinated people can
or vaccinated people even can get other people can get you sick even if you are vaccinated so I think it absolutely changes the equation on so for example colleges were acquiring students to get vaccinated to return in the fall like before I didn't think that necessarily made a lot of sense because if you
wanted to protect yourself you just get vaccinated but now it makes sense right because the college needs to get to herd immunity to protect everybody against you know potentially right Delta variant right so I do think it changes the equation quite a bit and I think we need to make a big push here to get everyone
back are you then in fact sex for vax passport ports which as a you know uh libertarian I think is I think part of your political I think everybody on this call has kind of got a little libertarian like you got to make your own choices here but does it change your thinking about that I.E employers uh colleges
uh city-state workers teachers are either get vacs or don't come back to the office and you're fired well I'll tell you I I don't like the idea of government uh having the power to to stick a needle in your arm but I do think that employers workplaces schools I think it's very reasonable for
them to say if you want to come back to the workplace you have to get vaccinated because your unvaccinated status creates a risk it creates an externality for everybody to be able to fire you if you're a teacher should they be able to fire you if you are a bus driver if you're a pilot yes okay here's the craziness this is a a
self-inflicted wound we are down to only 700 000 vaccines being given a day we peaked we had the ability to do five million shots a day at the peak back in April we hit over 5 million shots in one day in the United States and that's a country where you know whatever 270 million adults you know were able to get
it in other words two percent of the pop adult population in a single day could have gotten it now we're down to 700 we have over a billion vaccines sitting on shelves eighty percent of Democrats have received one shot compared to 49 percent of Republicans 27 percent of Republicans say that they won't get vaccinated under
any circumstances compared to three percent of Democrats answering that question the same way and an additional nine percent will only do so if required again three percent of Democrats said they would only do so required so that's 36 percent are opting out forever I get it but it's because we allowed it to
become a position meaning it's not it's not like anybody has a position on breathing breathing is not a political position right it's not like I choose to not breathe or drinking water or trying to you know like these like eating three meals a day if you can uh we have allowed the most basic of issues in this
case you know Collective Public Health to be politicized in a way and that is entirely the government's fault it's the government's fault and it's the media media and the media because the media's exacerbated it so that they can have power people on the conservative side of the spectrum have learned to
distrust the media and big corporations because and government because they've been lied to so often most recently yeah right most recently with like the lab League Theory and so you know there's this suspicion on the right like what aren't they telling us you know um now look I think we got to get over
this I think you know we need to get everyone vaccinated for all the reasons that free Brook said or look everyone's going to get Delta variant I mean maybe this is the good news is that we can rapidly get to herd immunity by everyone getting Delta variant well that's the inevitable outcome for any infectious
disease right a highly infectious disease is either you can vaccinate or everyone's going to get it uh and it's gonna you know I mean you've got a Delta variant maybe than whatever the you know whatever the more dangerous deadly one is yeah let me just highlight what I'm most concerned about I I am most
concerned about what's what's happening with sax it's just anecdotally speaking I'm not going to speak to the I'll speak to one statistic but like anecdotally speaking I'm hearing this happening more more frequently I don't know about you guys other friends other people you know but a lot of other people I'm hearing
about their double facts that are now getting covered so as that starts to happen uh the implications for the economy I think are pretty significant um because I think people whether there's a policy change or not people are going to get scared again and people if we're not kind of enforcing economic
lockdown people will go into social lockdown and we're going to revisit uh you know more of the behavior we saw over the past year where people are going to be nervous to travel uh people are going to be nervous to fly people are going to be nervous to go to restaurants and you know the downstream
consequences of everyone kind of locking up again even if the government doesn't enforce lockups uh could be pretty catastrophically are you feeling that way yourself Freeburg in other words am I going to lock myself up are you going to go to dinner are you going to go to travel to Italy or to you know Japan or
you know would you go to Disneyland with your kids how is it affecting you your personal Behavior being a man of science uh so so my personal circumstances are a little different right now uh not not to get into it um uh just with my uh you know my wife's pregnant and we're moving houses and so we've got a bunch of
reasons why we're not traveling and and exposing ourselves unnecessarily right now um but uh I I would say that at this point uh you know if all other things being equal would I go to Disneyland with my kids I would probably wait right now six to 12 weeks to see what happens here if I'm feeling that way now I think a
lot of people are going to be feeling that way in in the next four weeks as they hear about more friends getting covered now you know the good news is the hospitals and so so I am most concerned we were in a very very very very delicate economic recovery right now and you know we have put out so much
money to stimulate this economy everyone is so walking on like the razor's Edge to keep things you know growing we were afraid of inflation lumber prices today by the way are lower than they were when this whole kind of inflationary thing started and everyone was freaking out about it so um you know lumber prices
are lower than they were at the start of the year which is you know like a lot of this kind of inflation risk has kind of come out of the equation already so the markets have taken that pricing out and now we're going to be in a circumstance where people might cancel their travel people might cancel their their
restaurants people might stop going to the office again stop you know getting in the car etc etc so I am most concerned about like the psychological effects of of what we're seeing what these breakthrough infections the frequency of them now if you look at the Israel data Israel had zero deaths for
two weeks they're now averaging about one death a day and despite this you know huge increment they're getting about I think 500 breakthrough infections a day right now so that is good statistical needs right statistically these breakthrough infections are not fatal they're not causing hospitalizations they're they're
you know if you kind of did the math going back a year and said these are the actual statistics of covid people would be like okay no big deal let's move on it's a it's a tough kind of uh virus but because of the circumstances where we we are kind of under these these feelings that this is a fatal disease and could
cause uh fatalities um those statistics don't matter the fear is what matters and people are going to start to behave quite differently I think in the next few weeks I have a slightly different point of view here but um I think Freeburg you're you're I think you're right in some respects
um but I don't think it's going to come from people I don't think people uh I think people are exhausted and they want to go back to life as normal yeah and I think this summer was a window into some amount of normalcy for a lot of us and I don't think we really do want to go back um and so I think what's what's really
going to happen is there's going to be essentially some form of class Warfare and instead of Rich versus poor and left versus right it's sort of between people who believe in science and then the you know ideologically dogmatic who refuse to get it and that's going to play itself out economically I agree with you
there's going to be meaningful forms of economic discrimination against people who um are unnecessarily compounding risk for the rest of us who want to deal with it ideally touch wood as a common cold like David said and move the [ __ ] on and if we are prevented from doing so because economic policy and Health Care
policy has to constantly get re-rated for a cohort of people who could protect themselves and everybody else but chooses not to there is going to be a real pushback on that the second thing that I think is going to happen is politicians proved that if you give them a window to seize power they will do it
and I think what's really going to happen in the fall is if there's even a small modicum of risk which there will be as we just talked about yeah it exists now yeah I think it's the politicians that are going to want to jump all over this and say okay guys you know lockdowns here you can't do this you can't do that so
literally just giving you some just at the big grand reopening California's back you could see him locking it back up in September oh that's the best way to it's the best way to Snuff out any chance of the recall going against them is that even if you were angry you're not going to be allowed to basically
it'll be a massive form of Voters oppression well I think that that too that would backfire pretty bad you saw the flip-flopping that he already did actually on schools where the the government of California basically said hey you know we're going to mandate a mask policy in the fall and then Newsome
came out because people freaked out and said uh actually no each local municipality can figure it out based on you know what it what it means for them the point is guys um free Brook is right these things aren't going away we have a cohort of people who will continue to allow this thing to become worse than it has to be
and I think that there will be economic repercussions and discrimination against those people for that and I think economically we are going to take a step back because politicians will try to slow the economy down again and there is definitely from the right not to get political here but they've been pretty
silent about encouraging people to get vaccinated and um you know at CPAC and other places people were cheering the anti-vaxx movement Mitt Romney came out uh we don't control conservative media figures so far as I know at least I don't that being said I think it's an enormous error for anyone to suggest
that we shouldn't be taking vaccines look the politicism politicization of vaccination is an outrage and frankly moronic Mitch McConnell came out and says a polio victim myself when I was young I've studied that disease I took 70 years 70 years to come up with two vaccines that finally ended the polio threat as a result of operation warp
speed we have not one not two but three highly effective vaccines so I'm perplexed by the difficulty we're having finishing the job this is where you can expect the politically correct companies to act first because they're the woke mob will force some action on this issue whether you like it or not but this is
this is where the next petition will come from Apple where the two or three thousand employees who are vaccinated Etc who have people with you know um people in their households with with uh who are immunologically suppressed and they're going to say hey guys this is crazy well that that petition might
be the first application that would make sense because those employees are directly impacted by other employees who come to the workplace unvaccinated unlike you know the issues around Israel or Antonio's book whatever that they shouldn't have taken a position on wait a second you're saying Antonio's book
wouldn't make them feel safe and getting coveted would make them unsafe yeah actually actually yes yes yes in the workplace is a real safety issue uh not you know not whether somebody wrote a book five years ago so so I think they do I think employees do have a right to say to their employers listen
are we going to be a vaccinated workplace or not because it does impact their risk but but Jason's your question about should people change their behavior in light of this news Okay in light of the fact that we now are learning about some reduce effectiveness of the vaccines here's what I would tell people sitting
where I am this is not a big deal I mean for me okay it was not a big deal it was like a mild cold I am not gonna change my I'm gonna go back to normal like my pre-covered behavior uh and I would tell you like if you're double vax I don't think you need to be that afraid of this because you know my doctor said they are
seeing a bunch of these breakthrough cases but they're all very mild it really is like getting a cold I'm not changing my behaviors I made my I made my decision my risk assessment is if I get it um then I'm doubly protected uh and I'm not going to wind up in the hospital I'm going to focus all my energy on riding
my bike and and taking my kids out and having a good time I'm not going back in lockdown so I think that's right for you but but here here's where it gets a little bit complicated is my parents who are in their 70s and one of them has an immune condition that's what they should do and I said listen if I were you guys
I would not be going to public places I'd be masking up they're asking me if they should go on a trip and I said no I would actually if I were you I would lock down until this blows over because they're at elevated risk and so yeah for me getting covid was like a mild case but for them maybe it could be more
serious so all it takes is 10 of the population acting like what you just described you recommended to your parents sex for there to be economic ripples associated with this um uh this this breakthrough kind of condition for a while and that's where I have the most concern is again like you know we're
kind of you're not concerned about the deaths Freebird you're concerned about the economic impact and the psychological scars that are now in place I will explain I I sent you guys a link to the Reuters article where they covered the press conference with the prime minister of Israel the other day
and um basically they are taking what they're calling a soft suppression strategy um where they're encouraging Israelis to learn to live with the virus involving the fewest possible restrictions and avoiding a fourth National lockdown that could do further harm to the economy and he said implementing the strategy will
entail taking certain risks but in the overall consideration including economic factors this is the necessary balance and so it's a it's a it's a very kind of pointed position that they're coming to I think the U.S government the federal government's going to have to come to the same one but we have different
states and different local governments that are going to act differently and because we've you know we have authority um vested in those different jurisdictions you could see different public policy officials take different positions and what we're talking about if San Francisco said restaurants have
to go back to 25 capacity it would decimate these already struggling small businesses and there's no more stimulus dollars available and so you kind of think about this or 10 of people cancel their vacation plans what's that going to do to Airlines and hotels so again my concern is are we about to hit a wave of
economic ripples that aren't necessarily tied to what is the right thing to do from a policy perspective or a science or health perspective but really the psychological effects of the scared and concerned saying you know what there's more money available that you know we got bailed out before we'll get bailed
out again let's Implement a shutdown let's Implement a lockdown let's not go to work it's whatever the the decision tree you may have as a business owner or policy maker well there's an important Point here which is listen kovitz can be with us for a long time we're going to need to make really smart cost benefit
analysis decisions in how to deal with it we can't go back to lockdowns because they didn't work and they're extremely expensive we spent 10 trillion dollars battling covid last year we cannot do that again we don't have the the bullets and are going to keep firing at this thing like that we got to start making
Intelligent Decisions zeroism is not going to work this idea that the premise of zeroism is that we can stamp out every last message of covet that maybe that was even a possibility when vaccines were 99 effective but now that they're not there's no chance of stamping out covet so we have got to learn we've got to like the Israel
example we've got to learn to live with this thing and make smart cost benefit decisions but I also think you know this is kind of a disaster for Humanity we now have this new category of illness that's rapidly mutating we don't know what the end of it's going to be like I said there's 1800 variants of the common
you know what though David is causing the these symptoms by the way has anyone noticed how many different symptoms this virus causes in people there's over 200 uh well they've worked on it for a long time David In fairness yes exactly everyone knows it's a lab engineered virus that's now a plague on Humanity
this is really a disaster this is gonna I think permanently impact human life expectancy I mean this is this is a serious problem we could have avoided this entire thing here in the United States at least if people just took the win how frustrating is this that we would probably have cases down to a thousand a
day and debts down to 10 a day like Israel if we had just gotten everybody to take one of the billions of excess vaccines sitting on shelves and in CVS's and Walgreens across this country how stupid are we we don't have the collectivism to to make those actions if you think about what's happening in Israel did
two different examples in China collectivism manifests as like basically a top-down you know uh form of governance okay in in Israel collectivism comes from a need for state level security right I mean I've traveled to Israel a lot I have worked there and it's crazy when you see how people cooperate together the minute you
hear the uh missile alarms right and so there there is a way for people to do cost-benefit analyzes in Israel because it's a matter of life or death and they've been trained to do that so either it's imposed on you like in China or people Bottoms Up can understand these trade-offs like in Israel we are
in a very different place where literally what we have are three things that are in conflict with each other Jason we have politics and the desire for power we have the deconstruction of Power by social media and then we have the traditional media trying to stay relevant that's a toxic thing that's
spinning around and spinning around and spinning around trying to allocate this very ephemeral thing called power and influence and we don't know how it works anymore and so we cannot get our [ __ ] together half the people care about vegan [ __ ] milk the other half the people care I mean it's
it's we are in a alternate universe as bad as we are Europe and even Japan have done even worse because I mean we our our government was fairly efficient about the distribution of the vaccines in Europe they've just completely botched it um same thing in Japan so we are not the worst on vaccination rates yes it should
be better but um well we are those people capturing the opportunity David we have the opportunity America America is the most exceptional country in the world it has been for hundreds of years it should be for several hundred more there is no excuse for this country to have [ __ ] this up this badly I've spent enough time as as
you guys have in Europe and in Japan it's understandable why those countries are in the positions they're in it is not understandable by America's in the position so dumb it's like it's like having a 20-point lead and you just with like eight minutes to go and you just screw up and you lose the game so stupid
all right do we want to move on to the billionaire Space Race yeah I think that's positive news this company go uh what's it called Virgin Galactic there's a company called Virgin Galactic and they take people to space it's two hundred thousand dollars stock seems to be doing pretty well
um anybody have thoughts on Richard Branson getting to space I don't know let's just randomly go to somebody no congratulations in all seriousness congratulations I cried Nat and I start the SEC transcript public statement here we go no Nat and I uh watched it together you cried and it was emotional uh and
it's emotional because you know I mean being a little bit more on the inside how hard they worked I mean we've all been there where we're all toiling in obscurity where there are moments where everybody thinks that what you're doing either is crazy or isn't going to work or is going to fail and there's a moment where you just have
to push through it right and find people that believe in you I think I came in very late to that but I had the opportunity to find these incredible people believe in them help them give them Capital which was essentially oxygen right that's oxygen for a company and then to see them achieve it it felt
so special to be a part of it so yeah I mean I was really emotional um and it was it was beautiful um so I don't know I think this is the beginning of the beginning um I tweeted this out but basically if you think about and there's other stuff that we can't talk about with some other companies
that we are all involved in David and I particularly but here's the point guys between sending people and making us an interplanetary species by creating pervasive internet access and by enabling us to safely and reliably transport people either point to point suborbitaly or basically into space we are completely reimagining how the
human race can work and I think that's incredible and to be a part of that is really special there was a lot of people who got very negative on Twitter I noticed there was a lot of people that said you know no like you know maybe now we can deal with I don't know child hunger or you know hey why are all these billionaires doing
this out of the other end I took a step back and I thought my gosh a people are increased there's a small virulent cohort of people that are incredibly negative and B doesn't even know what they're talking about because you're talking about issues of State responsibility and confusing it for what
private citizens are doing to advance a set of technologies that I think have broad appeal so those are my thoughts I mean I was I I watched every minute of it and I thought it was incredible just to add to that um yeah I want to I want to take the part that all the naysayers and the negativity I mean chamoth is
right all the very online people immediately came out attacking this extraordinary accomplishment an act of Bravery by Branson I mean this is a billionaire he doesn't need to be risking his life launching himself into space I mean this is a courageous act you know he's putting his his um his
life where his mouth is and you had all these very online people but you had one CNN commentator basically said this was bad for the environment you had uh another one saying that calling him a tax sheet then there was another whiner who said what about all the starving children in the world I mean it just
went on and on like this and Mike Solana had a pretty funny tweet summing up the sort of the left's um argument thusly he said number one this is their argument according to Solana one money is evil two therefore people with money are evil three therefore things people with money care about evil I mean that is basically the
level of sophistication everybody's got the argument that's being made it's it's that that's the argument that the left is Right everybody's a bond villain right but here here's the problem is that first of all we do get tremendous benefits out of these innovators who are pushing the boundaries of Science and
Technology and Engineering um you know Branson actually went on Stephen Colbert show and defended it he said he said listen uh I think they're not fully this is Branson he said I think they're not fully educated to what space does for Earth is connecting the billions of people who are not connected uh down here he said every single
spaceship that we've sent putting satellites up there monitoring different things around the world like the degradation of rainforests monitoring food distribution even monitoring things like climate change these things are essential for us back on Earth so we need more spaceships going up to space
not less so you know they're really just kind of ignorant about the benefits of Technology and what do they want to do with the money anyway you know we've got all the yes we do have all these problems on Earth but so many of our problems are not a problem of underfunding we have tons of money going to the problem of
homelessness in California it just keeps getting worse because we have the wrong approach we have on education we have very the wrong ideas organization we have the wrong execution fix the operating details it's not a money issue exactly take education in California we have very high levels of
per pupil spending and our test scores keep going down why because we have unions controlling the schools there's no competition we're getting rid of testing we've eliminated day testing we solved that problem we spent more as a percentage of GDP on Healthcare than any other Western country in the world yet
the life expectancy of white men which is basically the top of the Pyramid of healthcare is now sub 80 years old what is going on all of these if all of these negative naysayers could actually just get into the arena and try to do something right instead of watching whining instead of a professional Winer
class they have no ideas they have no ideas they have no executions they just have gripes and no ability to execute apparently yeah why don't they come up with new programs actually Test new programs at a hyper local level to see what works okay can I tell you why can I Can I Tell You Why these sort of like leftist whiners
are not motivated to actually do the hard work meaning even even if they have an idea for Education the precondition to working on an education program or a healthcare program is they may need to spend four or five years in the bowels in obscurity just learning pay ing their dues they don't want to do that either
because they grew up in a culture of kindergarten soccer everybody gets the gold star everybody gets to touch the ball everybody gets to be at the front of the line and they're not willing to put in the work because the minute they realize how much actual work is demanded of progress
they run away because they're scared and the reason they're scared is because somewhere along the way somebody tricked them that it was not actually about trying it was actually about succeeding and that is the biggest failure that we could do to people is all of a sudden tricking them to believe you have to have it to
work so they'd rather be called monitors critics failure is just as good because you're one step closer to succeeding somewhere along the way Unfortunately they were not taught that incredible secret hiding in plain sight Friedberg what do you think of the Space Race and the hall monitor Winer class if you guys look uh
I was going to send these statistics earlier but if you look at the amount of venture capital money that's gone into um uh into uh private space companies space technology companies I think it was a few hundred million dollars call it three to four hundred million dollars pretty consistently from 2011 through
2014 pretty flat and then in 2015 I think this is when SpaceX started to kind of create a lot of momentum and hype that private companies can't actually build businesses um in kind of call it the space industry the number jumped to 3 billion a year and then it was a little over three and a half billion in 16 and then it jumped
to almost 5 billion and 17 it was a little bit down in 18. 2020 it's climbed to almost 10 billion and in q1 of this year I think we're at 2 billion uh Venture Capital money going into private space companies so there's clearly um a great deal of momentum in this industry the question is always what's
the market at the end and so if you break out how do these companies make money one is to provide services to governments you know launch services and then taking people to the space station and what have you and SpaceX has obviously built a tremendous business in that there has been obviously a lot of
interest in tourism um and I think it's uh you know we're seeing this first breakthrough with um with Virgin Galactic and we're going to find out over the next couple of years is there a tourism Market historically there's been an interest in a market for a visual uh satellites but you know if you look at some of the
financials of companies like Planet labs they did a few Acquisitions in space Imaging and the revenue hasn't really taken off there and then mining was always this other question is can we go out and mine you know Rare Minerals from space and that one is just you know if you do the math on it it's so far away
it's impossible to kind of model so I think over the next and then finally it's Communications and Communications are cheaper to run on Earth if you're in cities versus you know the the SpaceX model is to reach rural areas that it's going to be more affordable to do this through space um and so you know there's um there's
obviously a ton of momentum and a ton of interest in uh in private companies getting to space everyone right now it seems is trying to figure out what's the market right what's the how big is the market how big is the business and you know how quickly can you actually see that Capital turn around into real
Revenue um so you know there's this kind of Market question that I think is still outstanding in terms of you know the opportunity uh if you go back to like the 15th century I think something like 60 to 70 percent of ships Maritime travel uh you know uh got into shipwrecks you know the uh and you know that's around when
um you know we sailed across the Atlantic or the Spanish sailed across the Atlantic are funded no or they or they disappeared or they disappear I mean they basically crashed it didn't work it was a one-way trip sometimes to the bottom of the ocean if you were sitting in Spain in 1450 and someone
said hey these ships it's going to be a great business we're going to build lots of ships and we're gonna go out maybe we'll get trade routes going maybe we'll discover new land maybe we'll make money maybe we'll take people on trips on these ships you would be like this is crazy half the people are dying there's
no Market on the other side so you know we are and yeah you would have been totally wrong yeah and you are in that 15th century moment right now with the space industry would anyone in the space would anyone a ship business in the 15th century have been able to predict Carnival Cruise Lines or been able to
predict Evergreen ships taking stuff from China to America with these huge shipping crates would anyone have been able to predict um you know uh going down to the bottom of the Atlantic I mean like all of the technology and the entire industry that kind of came out of that um you know that that set of pioneering
activity in the 15th century transformed the planet transformed the economy uh transformed humanity and um you know it's very it's very hard it's very hard to sit here today and say hey I know where space is go where the space industry is going I know what's going to be possible but I can tell you that if
history is any predictor of the future um you know this pioneering work that's going on which is burning tons of money and and everyone's kind of questioning whether there's businesses here it could transform our species once again so um yeah David your 15th uh Century shipping example is so beautiful full
three things that came out of that which I think we all value One Insurance to tort law and Carrie exactly and three was basically how they did risk management so that you know each ship would take a little piece of everybody else's cargo so that some of the cargo would always get to Marketplace of the
merge Lloyds of London marketing places yeah Lloyd to London emerged because of the the maritime insurance that was required and the and almost all PNC Insurance can trace its roots back to Maritime Insurance during that that era wow and so so these these ancillary industries that emerged were like
surprising right it's almost business models emerge because you had to figure out how you do the Arbitrage here and carry is the perfect example people don't understand the Venture Capital Carry we get 20 of the profits was designed so that people with ships the captain would get to say we get 20 of whatever makes it there now you're
aligned whatever makes it there you get 20 off okay I'm gonna I'm gonna go through that storm and I'm gonna try to get it there and we don't there's so many unknowns but just looking at the one thing you know starlink um I was doing a little research today about internet penetration we've got you
know close to five billion people on the internet now but a very small number of them are on broadband it's like 20 30 somewhere in that number it's hard it's hard to get an exact number there but if you think about what's going to happen to humanity we're talking about billions of people who did not have
access to broadband and they are going to go from not having you know if you think about what we went through in the west when the internet first came out and we got our first Broadband connections you know to find us like DSL or whatever we had libraries we had books we had colleges we had stores everywhere Barnes
and Noble so the internet was unbelievably transformative but we were in a modern society now you go to the developing world and they're going to go from you know not even having running water in some cases in their homes or electricity or you know variable to having broadband and they're gonna have
access to YouTube Circa 2022 2023 they're gonna have access to you know MIT courseware or brilliant.org and all of this information and shopping we're going to take a billion or two billion people and give them Broadband instantly within a decade this is going to change the the face of the planet
I think that that's the Revolution and it's not just Starling doing it there's like three competitors to starlink obviously starlink's got the biggest lead yeah before SpaceX doing this and and and and there were others there was a company called o3b it was uh stood for other three billion and they had raised
a ton of money to do this I just I I by the way I just want to speak to like a trend that we've seen and and also speak to the the quality of elon's leadership um so many companies have tried this Google talked about it for years well Project Loon was a follow-on to what we talked about early on at Google
which was putting up satellites and ultimately Google had a satellite program that was killed in favor of buying a company called Skybox and Skybox was this Coastal adventurers back startup that was trying to make a smaller scale startup and if you guys will remember around the early 2010s um there were a bunch of startups that
emerged that were all about building small scale um uh satellites that could go up into low earth orbit and do things like Imaging and Communications and a bunch of these companies were banking on the fact that the cost per kilogram to get your payload into space was declining pretty precipitously so they were like
let's make super cheap commodity you know space Imaging or space communication boxes put them in space and after a couple of years they'll fall out of orbit and burn up but it doesn't matter if we can get enough use out of them and they cost so little to put into space and they cost a little to make
let's put hundreds of them is a company called Planet Labs that that does this that's I think going public via SPAC now they again they've been challenged with building the business and imaging but there was a Google bought a company for I think half a billion dollars called Skybox trying to do this which it was
like Imaging slash comms and they had a bigger refrigerator size box that they were trying to put up ultimate ultimately Google's Google's found that out to Planet labs and the whole thing kind of you know became Imaging but I I just want to highlight that this has been a big trend for a while and it
speaks to the quality of Elon on his leadership because the fact that this guy did what 20 other 30 other people have tried companies have tried to do for the past decade or so and he said you know what instead of just providing the uh the infrastructure to get all these devices into space we're just
going to build the actual devices get this thing up and just go crazy with it and put our Capital into it um and it's really impressive to see because it's such a no-brainer and people have been talking about this this opportunity for over a decade and these guys just have absolutely rushed the field and they could build an incredible
business uh out of this and you know the two most important companies in Satellite Communications are starlink and swarm uh and swarm was a company that I seeded and sax did the series a and the if you talk to the founders of that company you know they'll give you this use case in I think it was in 2014.
do you guys remember there was a like a Malaysian Airlines flight that just disappeared yeah disappeared 370. yeah Malaysian Airlines flight 370 and it was like 230 240 people that passed away and the the most you know indelible question that I remember from this was um we we couldn't track it and not to
myself how is that even possible how do you how do you lose how do you lose a flight in the middle of the Earth it's not possible it turns out it is because our internet coverage is so sad that it only covers small areas and it it it made obvious that like you know we should live in a world where there is
absolutely pervasive internet access everywhere every single little shred inch of the world should be covered and saturated that should never happen you know the people should be able to have closure they should be able to go and get that plane recover the bodies give them proper funeral these are simple
things but they're human things that we should be doing as human beings right and just think about the iot internet access enables this and the idea that we can't do that is shocking and so hey I agree with you fever we uh elon's incredible and I think that um within the next five years we'll probably have
pervasive internet access everywhere in the earth and that's that's transformational you know the the second most valuable private company in space is um also a company that you know uh uh I invested in led the series a called relativity space and their idea which I think will help everybody that wants to
go to Mars and other places is why don't we just 3D print the Rockets and why don't we 3D print the engines and why don't we make that functionally useful because it basically takes the cost of a rocket and divides it by 10. and these printers are small enough where you know you can actually send
them to and dismantle them and take them with you to Mars and set them up there and all of a sudden you can print the parts that you need to get back to Earth as an example um so I think that additive manufacturing has an enormous upside here in space um and I think that that's another area that's going to be really really anybody
read Andy Weir's Hail Mary yet the guy who did the Martian he's a science fiction author it's really great because you don't actually know what you're going to find out there I think that's one of the things that you know to to freeburg's point what do we find out there what if we find a compound out there that like plutonium
has some attributes that we could leverage in very small amounts to create unlimited energy or unlimited prosperity in some ways there are there are things that can exist that we have not been exposed to and of course the probability is there are many things that we have yet to be exposed to 100 yeah look I
don't subscribe to to uh to that thesis um I'll I'll tell you um I'll tell you why and and this maybe also speaks a little bit to some of the counterpoints against um the space industry getting the attention and resourcing it has relative to call it other places to allocate capital and human resourcing
um and that is like the tools that we have in science and engineering today as a species uh continues uh to expand at kind of a geometric Pace our ability to convert any molecule into any other molecule is basically fulfilled now it's a function at this point of how much energy and time it takes to do that work
so almost all industry the function of Industries to convert molecules from one form to another and we have tools ranging from Hardware engineering mechanical engineering and more recently in the early 20th century chemical engineering and in the 21st century biochemical engineering those tools are
allowing us to invent discover and convert molecules and even in some cases kind of Elemental forms that into nearly anything else we want to produce and the technology is accelerating in such a way the set of Technologies compound that if you think about 100 years from now 200 years from now 500 years from now the
human species theoretically for very minimal time and very minimal energy should be able to have something that looks Akin today to the Star Trek replicator you basically type into a device what you'd like to make and it makes it it for you in a few minutes and you could just like Mr Fusion and Back
to the Future too you could put any input you want into the thing you could throw in bananas and cans and whatever and out comes this thing you want to make so as the human species evolve towards that capability and we don't need to get into the details that's just like the general trend line it becomes less relevant that
we need to go get other molecules or go get other things from extra planetary sources the planet earth has you know on the order of 10 to the 23rd atoms um you know two-thirds of the surface is water there's so much that is like unexplored and untapped from a resource perspective within this this spaceship
that we're already on that the argument would be made that our technology is allowing us to effectively recreate all of our fantastic dreams right here where we live today and you know first thing we're going to have to do is fix this planet and fix the ecosystems that that are kind of at risk but as we progress
and as these Technologies progress we can do these extraordinary things that we don't necessarily need to rely on extra planetary travel and colonization in order to achieve those objectives so so that that's that's the that's the optimistic counter argument yeah but we keep finding things like these molecules
and Titan's atmosphere Etc that we can't explain and we're finding those two telescopes let alone we get out there I mean we might be able to create them sure yeah but we're going to discover them in other places we they may be beyond our human comprehension that these things could even exist David
there are interesting things we're seeing there for sure and I think um you know there's a I think I mentioned this book before uh it's so esoteric and difficult but uh it's called Uh every life is on fire by this guy named Jeremy England and he highlights how all of evolution is effectively predicted by
statistical physics and the energy bath and the molecules within a system um create a structure of molecules that you wouldn't see except for that condition meaning that over time the complexity of that system evolves to create an equilibrium with the energy uh that it's uh that it's covered in so what we see on planet Earth he argues is
organic molecules in what we call life which are these molecules that are really good at copying themselves to absorb energy and dissipate energy so the molecules and the energy state of you know Titan is different than what we see at Earth so the way the molecules have evolved there are so different than
what we've seen on Earth and you can see these incredible concepts of what we we wouldn't call life today but really could be defined as life there and so there's certainly a lot to learn and a lot to explore it doesn't mean that we're Limited in terms of our ability to kind of realize those things here on
planet Earth but uh you're absolutely right like exploration is the core of being a human right and for people who don't know Titan is one of the it's the largest moon of Saturn and it's got its own really weird dense atmosphere that's icy and slushy and we don't even we we can't
even comprehend half the stuff going on there yet would any of you guys take the Richard Branson um uh trip would you do the uh you know like next week or or two year I guess at what point would you be comfortable taking it two months I'm sure you've take you're you're sorry I can't answer for sacks the answer is no
600 and 600 and something so how many flights more would you want to see you would want to do 10 more flights 20 more flights no I feel I feel really confident that we know what we're doing the this flight was so critical because it was about figuring out what it was like to have passengers in the back and how they'd
all behave when you had multiple folks and I think once that readout is done and Richard apparently took a bunch of notes um so you know we'll uh we'll be starting commercial Ops I think uh you know the next two or three quarters so wow yeah well I mean if if I had a 500 million dollar super yacht like Jeff Bezos
that's where I'd be hanging out I don't think I'd be blasting I would be blasting myself into space but I mean look more power to him I mean they got you know they certainly uh he's doing those yeah he's doing both yeah Jacob would you do it I you know I my my theory is with kids I kind of think
differently about it but if I was over 70 like Branson certainly I would do it yeah I would have to have that conversation with my spouse and my kids and say you know hey this opportunity exists they've done let's call it a hundred flights uh somewhere in that neighborhood I would I think I would feel pretty comfortable doing it but I
would want to check in with my my family and kids and see if we were all in sync on taking that level I I stopped riding motorcycles as an example I think that flying in space tourism in the next year or two will be a safer than riding a motorcycle and then eventually it'll be safer than you know driving a car or
something it's it's quite possible I was I was watching a space show with my daughter she's three years old on the couch the other day and then she um she was like oh space it looks so fun and I'm like make you know I said do you want to go to space and she said she looked back at me and she said I want to
go to space with you and it made me cry and it was the first time I'd ever thought like man first time you'd ever cried first time I ever cried yeah I just uploaded that to his firmware yeah crying but I was like what are these water particles on my chin but I was going down my head like no desire I
would say before she said that to go to space but it was a um poignant moment that like man this like moment of like inspiration of like going to space is something that like I think is going to inspire um you know a generation and and I told my daughter I said you know you are going to go to space uh I hope I could
be there with you yeah yeah can I give you an idea two different ideas but they're roughly related when each of your kids turn 18 um buy them a ticket to space so that they become an astronaut which I think is like a beautiful kind of an idea where like you know what an incredible present to give somebody as
they mature into age you know if you if you read if you if you basically have heard all these astronauts have said you know what the the overview effect like when you're above the Earth looking down it has this completely transformational effect on your outlook on life and the planet and so you know to the extent that
that's a quantifiable thing to give that to your child seems like an enormous gift or or um when everybody's of age or whatever where all of you guys go as a family so that the whole cabin is your family that would be really cool too either those ideas I will do one of those too hold on a second Shabbat there
were four people correct in this fight if I remember this one there's four passengers yeah okay wait a second there are four besties how are you not setting up a flight for the 100th episode of all in to be on Virgin Galactic can you imagine watching David cry and be so scared I mean I could pretty much guarantee obviously
you guys have to buy tickets but I can pretty much guarantee you that if the three of you decided to buy tickets I I'm pretty sure I can organize that we all go on the same flight that would be ratings that's all I need is to be entombed with you guys for eternity you know can you address the Von Carmen line
controversy around you know what's the right point to be in space because it came up a lot this week in the news I didn't want to kind of came up by one person well no no there was people talking about on the news and stuff like maybe you can just blue origin being lame honestly that's so petty by Bezos
so sure maybe just share what happened and kind of uh you know the point of view on this be awesome but basically the question is what defines space right so um if you if you just like start from the bottom from um uh ground level right you have the trophosphere right so you have like the first kind of like
10 20 kilometers or so right then you have the stratosphere right that's where like a lot of like weather balloon activity happens that's at 50 kilometers then you have the mesosphere right that's where you'll see things like meteors and stuff then you get to basically the Carmen line which is around I don't know 100
kilometers or so there are a bunch of countries that either have no opinion or point to this kind of group to Define what the beginning of space is and they defined that at about 100 clicks which is I want to say 62 miles okay then there's the United States um and the dod and NASA Etc and we uh
Define it at a different level 50 odd miles and so in the United States you need to pass the U.S regulatory body's definition of what the threshold of space is to be considered an astronaut um there is other countries that would then point to a different line the Carmen line as the line um I think the point is it's all Much
Ado About Nothing I think in the end I think virgin stated that they went to 52 and a half or 53 and a half um you know things are iterative so over time you'll folks will get higher and higher but the point is okay and what you basically go into space you get to see the planet you get to feel microgravity
you know you get the benefit of the overview effect whether you're at 52 and a half I'm guessing you'll get the same effect at 58 or 60 or 61. and then you come back to earth um so I thought it was kind of a little cheap and unnecessary because there's not there's there's nothing experience
wise that changes right I mean like the not my understanding yeah blue origin did a tweet from the beginning new Shepard was designed to Fly Above the Carmen line so none of our astronauts would have an asterisk next to their name for 96 of the world's population space begins 100 kilometers up in the
Internet it's just like why would they do that the days before the Richard Branson goes up it's just totally classless it shows that Bezos has a competitive shriek which is just not graceful I would say um and I think there's a little bit of bitterness there and then you look at Elon what did Elon do he went he's so classy
he went and he took a picture with branta and he went to support him and wrote a congratulatory tweet Elon does not feel he's in competition but for some reason Bezos you know Bezos had to like draft and approve this specific tweet from Blue origin and I just thought it was classless and just stupid
Jeff really made you look so bad Elon Elon was so fabulous I mean it just shows you like what a Class Act he is and what he cares about which is like he cares about advancing um humans and our ability to do things that are incredible and inspiring and when other people do it he's not zero-sum about it as you said Jason he
was there he was supportive um it was just lovely to see I think Bezos is still uh stung for when Elon said he couldn't get it up meaning he couldn't get his couldn't get his rocket into space so so I don't know if that was that was too classy of Elon well it was funny yeah well I don't know if you guys have
seen Jeff's rocket kind of small this rocket is I mean it's Jason now you're doing it it's got a tiny rocket just so we uh put a pin in it Melvin Capital the people uh who uh went to war with the Reddit Traders or vice versa lost five billion dollars couldn't happen to a nicer group of people I mean they're down
which is just singing and of itself in this kind of up Market but then to actually quantify it they lost five billion dollars fighting a bunch of self-proclaimed ours I wouldn't say the words I don't get canceled but they call themselves ours on Jason you can say it there you're not
calling them that they call themselves that they call themselves that yes all right listen love you besties uh sax we're glad that you're safe and you're uh healthy no thanks to you I didn't put any jokes in there I have so many jokes I'm gonna save them I mean honestly my thought on your recovery is no comment
I'm just jealous you're gonna lose another five freaking pounds because oh yeah I'm down to 178 by the way come on stop are you really yeah manorexic I can't even break one when uh when are you gonna stop was there a bet or no no bad I would probably lose that bad that'd be like me playing Saxon chess
it's just not uh Jason what are you tipping the scales at right now 190 one 190 and you're about to come to Italy and basically you're gonna gain 15 pounds for sure no I'm doing one meal a day one meal a day that's it one meal a day that's it I'm eating one meal a day how am I gonna turn down the food but what if you eat
for three hours in that one meal I just I try everything I'll just try and then I have discipline now just like I stopped using Twitter I'm stopping Twitter can I tell one funny story about Jake Owen Italy talking about discipline okay so we were there in Italy when was this Jake out a few years ago whatever
this is a long time ago is this when we were in Venice yeah you were with Jade and I was with with Jack that was a great story and we went to some ice cream place right and so we all had we all had these like ice cream gelato with like two scoops or whatever on there so Jason finishes his in like five seconds
it would like just disappear and then he walks up to Jacqueline and just like goes like like that and and then one Fell Swoop he ate the the ice cream it was like it was like a bulldog it was like a it was like a bulldog just eating your ice cream but how good was that fish that we got remember that restaurant I found yeah
Rod I mean we still talk about that place yeah that was like one of the best meals I've ever had I've been having a gelato guys every day every day but they're so small that's what I love about this about the Italians it's a little it doesn't feel like there's like a lot of preservatives and stuff in there no
it's just like butter and sugar heavy cream whatever it is it's so good it's so good it's so good how the tomatoes right now I can't wait to be incredible incredible I mean I eat them I bathe in them I rub them on my face what about the mutts you got the moots how's the burrata and the Moots he's gonna gained 15 pounds
you're going to turn down this food I don't know how you're going to say no to the pasta you'll have Pasta lunch pasta dinner you're just gonna you're gonna go crazy I'm gonna just have two bites of everything two bites of six different pastas and by the way by the way the the the the the the biggest the best kept
secret is the Italian the quality of Italian white wine is outrageous really it's outrageous we should play some cards and drink some wine I think we're going to play no how many how many calories are in the white wine shramas calories I I mean I have no idea but you know look the thing in the summertime
here is you end up walking so I end up walking a lot or bicycling a little bit blah blah blah at the end of the day like you're burning through everything I gotta say this e-bike I got I got a rad power bike no no no the whole point is to not have a motor that powers it you [ __ ] lazy back no no what you don't
understand is because you have the motor in it your mouth you ride your bike normal but then like let's say you do have dinner or something like that or you want to go to dinner 10 miles away or 50 miles away you might not take your bike it's too long of a ride with these electric bikes instead of going 10 miles
on the way there it takes your 10 Mile ride and just puts you at 25 but you're still burning the same number of calories it's like augmenting I really think that electric bikes are going to change cities like in a major way they're already starting to in Europe and in China but all right
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