[Music] today on the podcast we're joined by alist brownley double Olympic triathlon Champion to talk about his incredible career and the unbelievable mental discipline that got him right to the top of Athletics it's his first in-depth interview following the announcement of
his retirement Alistair is the only athlete in history to hold two Olympic titles in the individual triathon event having won gold medals in both the London 2012 and the 2016 olymp ipcs he's also a four-time world champion famously his younger brother Johnny is also a decorated triathlete the brownly
brothers were considered the dominant male Olympic distance triathletes of the 2010s often competing together and against each other in 2016 Alistair spotted his brother suffering from exhaustion and pushed him across the line of a World Series event that Alistair had been on track to win Alisa
brownley is widely regarded as one of the greatest male athletes ever to have lived today he's building a new chapter to his career across a range of Ventures building on the Decades of experience he has at the top of sports we're really lucky to count Alistair as an investor
in Giants funds in this conversation we talk about why relying on Willpower is a recipe for failure what you can learn from Elite athletes nature versus nurture for excellence and the characteristics that define Olympic Champions and top Founders Alisa thank you for joining the giant ideas podcast
great to have you with us take us inside the life of a double Olympic champion what what are the levels of sacrifice that you had to make firstly I never viewed it as sacrificing you know otherwise it would have been a kind of a nightmare career of constant sacrifices I always thought
I was making choices to maximize my athletic performance and achieve achieve the goals um it might be a small difference but an important one uh and in terms of the actual routine I swam five days a week always in the morning at 7 or 8:00 I'd normally ride my bike um after that or run every day was
slightly different but in total it would be um 35 Plus hours of of training a week plus time in the gym massage physio um split across Swim Bike Run could be six hours of swim 15 to 20 hours of cycling and uh somewhere between 8 and 12 hours of running at most um and
really you're training to train and and train more so training 50 weeks of the year um really to try and specifically train hard for first six weeks up to a big event unreal so I mean all athletes have to have discipline right of course but Triathlon is a pretty serious event
and I've read in the past you're talking about there were times when you got to Serious levels of exhaustion when you're competing and you know your your temperatures rising and you're you're worried you're going to die at some point yeah well uh it sounds cliche but you are pushing yourself to your
physical limits um for the only reason to try and beat some other bloke pushing himself to his physical limits and at the top level margins are small and um everyone's to some extent near to the limits and maybe if you can just push that a little bit closer that means that
you're going to win on that day and that's why you see in endurance sport people um for some reason getting to their limits whether that's um kind of cardiovascular pushing too hard going over the red line whether that's temperature body temperature and that's what's happened it's happened to me and
to Johnny in the famous case where uh you just your body temperature goes past a set Mark and you you basically just cut out at that point um so yeah I think it's happened to most endurance athletes so I want to talk about for our audience willpower and you obviously have had to
use willpower in pretty extreme scenarios right because you're trying to force your body to a place it doesn't want to go how important was willpower or is it a bit of a distraction and actually you don't want to be drawing down on Willpower I saw it as it really willpower had a a set amount like a
bucket of it and and so I did everything I possibly could to remove willpower from the equation um and that sounds like really quite uh anara things of making sure all my kit was ready you know dry warm cycling shoes by the door bike ready to go um so there was no excuses to to not get out
the door and do the training I needed to do living somewhere uh where there was quiet roads and and trails to run on having great people to train with so Mo that would motivate me to get out the door rather than having to use willpower um and I think that's a a mistake lots of people make when they're trying to do
challenges or or exercise they they think it's about getting up off the sofa uh and and using willpower to get yourself to the gym I mean if I was doing that three times a day I'd have no chance you know I'd only last a few days and and uh and then quit um when when it's the really hard times of course
yeah sometimes you have to use willpower um a combination of willpower and actually using psychological tricks to basically lie to yourself um you know I I'm only going to push this hard until the next corner and then I'll I'll ease down um and then you get to the next
corner and tell yourself that only get to the next Corner let's talk more about the psychological tricks how do you continue to trick yourself over days and months and years when you know you're tricking yourself I think it's it's really important to minimize the amount of time you're doing that I think a for
uh psychological reasons like I said I think you got a set amount of willpower and probably the amount you can really push yourself and B for uh physiological reasons which is another chat in itself you know really endurance training is about doing as much volume as you can
there's a fairly set rule in exercise physiology where there a dose response relationship and the more of something you do the the more adaption you get and the better you get so it makes sense to do as much as that as you can as easy as you possibly can to to drive those same
adaptions so for those two reasons the you know the number of times in a normal week even though I'm doing a massive amount of training I'm really pushing myself is quite slim um and again I try and remove uh me pushing it from the equation so rather than uh going out and
cycling on a or or running on a treadmill and thinking this is awful all I've got to focus on is how painful this is uh I would go and do a a session that turned into a competitive session with a bunch of friends and it' be competitive and fun um of course there were times
where I was feeling bad and I really had to push myself hard uh and I developed different tricks for doing that I think one of those is um insane levels of focus and I remember from a very young age teaching my self uh on a on a hill on a bike or whatever that's running behind someone um there's nothing that
matters in this world that the the point in front of me on on that person's bike all it matters is that doesn't get further away that's the only thing that matters complete singular focus on that and um yeah just and and then telling yourself yep it it'll only matter for
the next minute and then it'll slow down and and keep tricking yourself hearing those stories makes it very visable and I think it's probably very helpful to our listeners but trying to sort of maybe summarize what you've just said there sounds like kind of remove as many decisions from the process kind of build
an environment around yourself that is sort of conducive to the goals you want to reach and then this sort of psychological I don't want to call them tricks I think that's not not not fair necessarily to to what they provide but really kind of leveraging your psychology to to drive yourself forward
yeah I think that's a fair summary I always saw it as removing barriers you know the bar and I think that's uh it applies to all of life you know the barriers that get in the way for you doing the kind of things that you need to be able to do how do you remove those
and uh when I I WR a book and I I spoke to loads of different High performers on this subject the the one thing I realized is actually it doesn't matter um what motivates people uh or gets you out the metaphorical door to go training the important thing is that they all knew uh what they needed to do that day
to get through um the training or the activity and there's lots of different ways of doing it but in a kind of a a metacognition type of way the best performers just understand uh how they need to approach it amazing well let's put this into practice we're in the Christmas season
the New Year's coming around the corner met time when many people set their fitness goals how should some of our listeners think about trying to really achieve those goals that they set yeah so number one set a goal that inspires you and that's what's kept me going for so long you know it needs to get you out
of bed in the morning um number two how can you remove um as many barriers as possible um from from doing what you need to do so um if it's training if if you're going running make sure you've got good kit and and ready to go choose something that uh is an easy exercise to
do you know don't um I don't know want to do an ultra run in the desert and train for it in uh Scotland because it's going to be quite difficult to do so um yeah that's that that's another barrier um and three make it social and motivation motivational um the I'm fascinated about uh finding ways to
inspire and motivate more people to to be more active you know it's a really difficult piece of the puzzle um but one of the big answers to that is is social the social aspect um it it it sets A Line in the Sand you know you're not going to let your mates down if you're
going to go meet them for that training session um and it motivates you to get out the door and how if they're struggling with some of those goals how do you think they can improve their mental toughness well I I get I think mental toughness needs to play as smaller role
in those goals as you possibly can so um without laboring the point you know do everything you possibly can to remove that um and then yeah when um when you do require mental toughness um it I mean I think uh you've got to get a lot of satisfaction from that it sounds very cliche that um you have to enjoy the
process to an extent but it's really true and you know as long as you can sit down afterwards and and say to yourself I achiev something today you know as small as it might be um enjoy that achievement and um I always tell everyone I like to say uh you know you always got to remember that first step
out the door is the hardest and it's very true um and you never ever regret it so you know just just get going if nothing else just make the first move do you think New Year's resolutions are a good idea I I think um anything that motivates people to to achieve what they
want to achieve is good it doesn't matter whether you do that on January the 1st or October the first ultimately um yeah you can always you you you can always start somewhere and starting is is always a good thing you know and any uh level of movement um to in this day
and age you know it doesn't have to be a crazy sporting goal you know any level of movement is a good thing for us all do you make do you make New Year's resolutions yourself I've never I don't think I've ever actually made a New Year's resolution but um yeah for me uh kind of in a funny you know the
triathlon season normally comes through to the end of the year and then as New Year ticks round it's really kind of ramping it up so kind of technically no but in lot ways yeah that's when training gets going was there a moment when you decided I'm going to be an Olympic champion the yeah well I uh I love to
tell the anecdote that I was uh I was training very hard and at school and as a 17-year-old in 2005 I was walking down the corridor in school and I a teacher said London's would won the bid if you seen brownley London's won the bid to uh host the Olympic Games I said no you
know I've been in maths or something and I remember very clearly at the time it felt that was like really cool but it was irrelevant to me I was never going to be good enough to be there um and then fast forward a couple of years I got a bit better and I was studying medicine in Cambridge and um I had a
very clear decision to make that's 2007 uh the the Olympics of the year after I was kind of getting good enough but um couldn't balance the studying and the uh and the and the training uh and I wanted to go to the Olympics and the path that opened up for me and at that point so I
say that point when I decided to drop out of studying and focus on on being a professional athlete um and that's 18 years ago half literally half my life ago and I've spent the the last 18 years as a professional athlete we're now going to shift gears a bit to the moment
that you are apparently sick of talking about um the moment in the world championship when you carried your brother Johnny um who was suffering from exhaustion over the finish line and as a result you took bronze and he took silver um it's an incredible moment to watch I think I remember when I watched
it was almost I don't decade or 15 years ago and started sending it around to people I think I was sort of crying a little bit when I watched it because it's a real moment of fraternal love um and I think it says a lot about you as a human being um Talk tell us about that moment from your
perspective so um to give the context it was in 2016 um the Olympics had been a few weeks before would come first and second and um we're at the race the the final of the World Series in Mexico and Johnny's about to win the World title um he's up the road in first I'm battling
with a South African to come second and I'm already thinking this is the perfect end to the year you know I'm going to cross the line Johnny's won the World Championship I've won the Olympics um can't wait for my uh cold beer at this Mexican holiday resort we're at and I
get around the last corner and just see Johnny slumped into the official and I just know straight away it's a basically he's overheated um and with in a literally a split-second decision I um put drag him carry him and start dragging him towards the finish line line um somewhere in that process a few
hundred meters later I start thinking oh Johnny still could be world champion here if I get him across the Finish Line before we get caught so I start looking looking behind and push him across the Finish Line um and yeah then firstly he obviously was wish straight off to uh
intensive care he was unconscious and um yeah it's bad a lot some of the other athletes were uh like you know that was amazing someone like what have you done um and my you my poor parents are at home and I'm trying to get through to them just to make sure it's okay I pick up my I ring my mom and she picks up the
phone and she's like what have you done to your brother so yeah and what a mom responds your fault exactly yeah and um uh it was it it was strange because I went to bed that night thinking because we nearly got disqualified for it I had to stand up in front of the competition yurri and
um how come well cuz uh they weren't sure if uh the I was aiding and kind of aiding betting another athlete there there's loads of things around kind of aiding athletes and potential kind of Max um match fixing they have tightened up the rules actually so now if you did
do it you'd be disqualified um but yeah just crazy and and to your point the the kind of impact it had really surprised me because I just thought it was firstly we'd failed because Johnny was trying to win the World title secondly uh it's kind of you know dodgey with the rules
and that's not somewhere you want to be as an athlete uh so I went to bed that night kind of feeling a bit down about it and yeah the impact was crazy and it took me a long time to understand what that was about really because for me it was a kind of failure and um as someone who's very analytical and and thinks a
lot about how and why they make performance decisions I like that to be to be uh analytical and objective and I couldn't really work out why I made that decision and why it had an impact and um ultimately it was because it I didn't have chance to make that decision it was
an automatic automated um subconscious decision made in the Split Second when there's massive amounts of fatigue uh that I think it showed it was just a very human moment people picked up on it yeah yeah let's talk about how you both got there so two brothers from Yorkshire become Olympic gold medalists both of
you how did it happen this uh Fant we could spend hours talking about the nature nurture argument on on this question um I think uh it's both we obviously there is some level of uh genetics that are important parents that were active and um M who was a swimmer a dad who was a runner um
and living in the right place surrounded by other people who were exercising and training with great clubs and friends so the environment in that sense is really important um but I think potentially more important was the you know the kind of pair psychological environment nether
like pushy um in sport probably a lot more pushy in our academics to be honest um very supportive and just a kind of um feeling and uh sense that you know it doesn't matter what you do just make sure you do it as as well as you possibly can do who was who was the driving force there who was the main
person in the brownley household who you would put it down to in terms of really pushing was it you pushing your brother was it your parents one of your parents pushing both of you so I think I was the one who was pushing you know super determined driven um and I would push
that way um but that definitely came from having parents who were like you know do things well uh and we'll support you in whatever way we can and um yeah looking back on it two parents who uh were doctors who you know for years and years were taking us to swim sessions before school running sessions after
scho School races at weekends like absolutely incredible I don't know how they did it so that facilitation for us to do it you know is so you know might have very much came from me and I remember all the time being told don't do it if it's you know don't push yourself too hard don't do it if it's
stresses you out um but you know never ever I don't think they ever said if I said I want to do this race or want to do this extra training session never said well no we're not taking you to do that so we've been watching the Barett Brothers play for the All Blacks in the
Autumn International Three Brothers in in one amazing all black team I remember growing up watching Steve war and Mark War play cricket for Australia why are there so many siblings in Elite Sport again it's the nature nurture argument and truthfully it's both uh how much each of those comes into play we'll
never know um and yeah I think it is if you have the right genetics the right environment and that part of that environment is of course each other you know I Johnny and I had the other best person in the world to train and push each other on every day no one has that
in triff and across three Sports so and but we learned very early on that um you can't push each other and race each other every day but when you do want to push each other on that's a a real advantage and and a kind of superpower to have um and yeah we would uh certain training sessions a week so out of the
the 18 or 20 sessions you're doing a week uh three or four of those are a key sessions and they're the ones where the kind of gloves could come off and you could go at each other so it's probably like combination of just exceptional genetics and then a healthy healthy
competition between healthy rivalry yeah and um yeah I think quite often the environmental factors are un understated and by that you it can mean anything from where you live they kind of the sense in your the environment like I said having really supported parents amazing at facilitation but with the
sense of just do things well um you're probably living healthy food um my yeah really really active my mom was always keen on um getting us to do things being active enjoying the outdoors you know I think all those little things from a a nurture environment come into play somehow I'm one of I'm one of three
brothers so I find this fascinating so there's another brownie brother right why did he not go down the same path and do you think he obviously missed out on all the glory but fundamentally maybe is he a happier more relaxed person how would you how would you describe all of
that with the third brother yeah fascinating question question isn't it um I think whereas Johnny and me are two years apart Ed's nearly eight years younger than me so um like a slight slightly different I guess generation Johnny and me did everything together I think from a young age poor red was
probably J dragged to those swimming sessions and maybe he was a bit sick of it um he was definitely a genetically talented um and just decided he um didn't really want to do it but yeah I think uh fundamentally has lived uh a lot more kind of um maybe relaxing is
the wrong word but yeah more a slower life he's he's a vet um and uh absolutely loves his job and um yeah is is kind of very happy in a in a different way amazing well continuing with the sports analogy um Tommy and I actually originally met playing rugby back in back in our teen years and I
think we both feel strongly that there's a lot we can learn in business from the kind of elite mentality that the top Sportsmen have um and we're actually lucky enough to have Benjamin Kaiser the for for French prop give us a an overview of that last week at the giant offsite but you're now an investor both
in Giant and in startups so what are you looking for um in the founders that you back and and what do you think they could take from from the Elite Performance lessons of sport yeah well I definitely wouldn't say I'm a you know an expert on investing to the level that
you guys are but I I do fundamentally feel investing in early stage um businesses is people driven you you're trying to back exceptional people that um it's an odds game and uh the O the odds aren't in your favor and I think that the one thing that does put it more in your favor is exceptional people and
I think that's very similar in sport um you you're trying to back exceptional people actually whether that's the athletes um who are in the field of play or whether it's the people around you um and that's from an athletes point of view you know that's really important the people that you choose to trust um
don't have just your um career in their hands you know it's your it's your care it's your dreams it's your passion it's your health it's so it is about picking people um but yeah more kind of from a broader sense in in startups what can those people learn from sport um I think
performance is ultimately a game of consistency so what can you do to make yourself consistent and by that a consistent work output over a period of time um performance is again about removing the barriers um talked about bit that bit bit about that already um so do people have a good sense of that
um and about great leadership um and that's just to say three things quickly and obviously but yeah similar similarly in sport um can you I think in sport uh just quickly to delve a little bit deeper on that it's very similar in the way that um you know for me I'm an
individual athlete um really it's about me getting the glory crossing the line incredibly selfish you know profession um and you have to find a way of bringing people with you on that Journey um to to support you in your selfish goals and how do you motivate people to
come on that Journey with you when for you it's a 24-hour day passion and how does someone have the same kind of output and um and motivation to work with you maybe not quite on that level but on a similar level um and that's very similar I think for a startup are there any shared characteristics across
top athletes and Founders in terms of Psych psychology I think there's lots of shared characteristics those ones I the ones I just mentioned you know ability to to be consistent um over lots and by consistent I don't mean you know go and work 12 hours a day I mean just a consistent approach to life
to can you deal with the highs uh and deal with the lows you know without too much of a variance in your approach I think that's really important um PE some people call it resilience um there's loads of great quotes in sport uh from that we um Roger feder has just been
really famous from one of his retirement speeches talking about you know he might be the greatest tennis player ever but he he lost I think slightly higher percentage of points I spoke to a a champion jump jockey for my book um AP McCoy and yeah he's winning stats of uh
four and a half thousand races I think and he says yeah it's great but I lost a lot more and ended up in the ambulance plenty of times as well so yeah that form of resilience I think is important um and uh I think the approach to to leadership is is good um and um also at the right times a Relentless Focus so
yeah being able to at the right times being able to really relentlessly focus on on one task Alistar I remember watching a documentary about you guys you and your brother over my wife's shoulder and uh I think I'm not imagining this I think there was an interview with your swimming coach
school school swimming coach and he was remembering watching this little kid just kind of exhaust himself in the swimming pool I'm trying to pull you out of the pool and saying this is not good you're you're pushing too hard and you jump back up and go I'm not going to win
the Olympic medal if I'm going to give up now and that's that's not normal for a kid do you think your success is down to just a completely outsized level of drive and ambition not just compared to normal people but actually compared to your competitors ultimately is that why you
wanton I think there's many reasons um why you can make it to the top of of of a sport um plenty of reasons that are outside your control um genetics being in the right place to a certain extent meeting the right people uh actually finding the right sport doesn't matter if if I decided to throw all that drive
into being the best 100 meter Sprinter in the world I was never going to win Olympic gold medal 100 meter sprinting um but yeah Drive is really really important um and people can have that drive for lots of different reasons if you'd asked me this question 10 years
ago I would have said it needs to be a really uh innate strong personal drive to to achieve whatever that goal I actually don't believe that anymore people people can find the motivation for that drive in all kinds of ways but yeah for sure you need to be driven um you need to be selfishly driven as well
you need to be able to um say no to a bunch of things and and put your sporting goals above pretty much everything else in life around you um and everyone else's life around you most of the time it's yeah relentlessly selfish I think that point you made about picking the right thing that you
can be worldclass at is really relevant also for entrepreneurs we talk a lot on the show with entrepreneurs who talk about the aiming phase figuring out what is the right company that you as an entrepreneur can build and getting the right founder market fit I think it's very similar with what you're saying
about you know if you went for the 100 me it just it would never never going to work it is yeah I i' never thought about it like that but it's um it's a really good point it definitely is and yeah that's why you know one of the other things um I do with the the brownie Foundation just getting kids into sport
I fundamentally believe that it's just giving young people the opportunity you know even actually not for them trying to be world class at this point but you know if you can give um and we do give this year 15,000 kids their opportunity to do a triathlon if 500 of those want
to do a bit more swimming they found their passion for swimming or 200 want to do more Triathlon great um and yeah it's I think it's maybe they're both linked um first finding the thing that inspires and motivates you and and then finding the thing that you're good at the probably linked to to some extent
but yeah both very important and when did you start the brownie Foundation we started it in 2014 I think so it's 10 years old now and yeah we've had uh over 70,000 um children do their first traon with us along with many other things we donate uh equipment bikes helmets um and
storage equipment to to schools in need and and and things like that incredible so important to get kids moving like that um so you've had one of the most extraordinary careers in sport now looking ahead um you've chosen to hang up your boots as of I believe yesterday was the formal announcement so what what
led you to that decision well as I said I'm 36 I've being a professional oh that's young that's young it's not in it's not in sporting terms tell I feel like I've had a hard paper around you know put a lot of miles on those legs um so I've been doing a long time um it has
got a lot harder and I can't do the training that I used to do yeah it's got a lot harder I think over the last few years um but most importantly uh I'm just excited to do other things I think if there's two driving things that kind of not forced the decision but swung the
decision that way rather than to carry on one was I don't want to be at the point where uh my body's so kind of past it I can't do other things for fun stay active be able to do um Ultra races and and and exercise just be out in in the mountains and and doing stuff for fun um
and the second thing is I've got got so many other exciting and motivating things I can do uh I'm really happy to to have a a changing kind of Direction Alison maybe you can just talk us through the actual thinking process behind that decision to retire because I think listeners can learn a lot not
everyone has this momentous day where their Sports career comes to an end but all of us think about our life in chapters and you decide to move on from one chapter and go on to the next did you approach that with the same kind of rigor that you approached a lot of your
training did you really think in a very detailed objective way about it or was it more of an emotional decision yeah I guess I'd like to sit here and say yeah there was a fixed process I I wrote a long list of pros and cons it was a very analytical decision which I've been saying is how I
make most decisions and that's true um but if I was to give one answer why uh it would be it just feels right and as you're asking that question I think that means it is it has been a very emotional decision but I think it's it has happened happened over the last couple of years at least so you know within
that time I've gone through it with a fair amount of rigor you know if I was to carry on um Can it you know what would happen um and to give an example I guess of I try to think everything in kind of probabilistic kind of terms the the one thing that I found really hard over the last few years is the
unpredictability in my body in terms of injury and illness so you know if I could car I was thinking if uh you know I dedic at three months of my life to One race if the chances are that I'm not going to get ill or injured in in that time through some freak thing you know
if there's a 90% chance that I'm going to be good I'd probably carry on but that chance isn't 90% for example it's probably more like 5050 now so it just feels really hard to dedicate all that time effort and energy into something where that there's such a high chance
that something can go wrong if you talk to a lot of the top Elite athletes they'll say actually staying injuryf free is probably the most important thing to being a world-class athlete over time would you agree with that how important is staying injuryf free not just for elite athletes but also for all
of our listeners trying to stay fit you what what's more important really pushing yourself or pushing yourself a little bit less to make sure you're injury free 100% pushing yourself a little bit less um uh whether actually you're training to be the best in the world or you're just training to be
healthy the same thing holds um consistency is key um massive cliche but it's so true but again because phys logically if you boil down all of the kind of scientific knowledge it's dose response and if you can um accumulate the way you accumulate hours of exercise over a period of time is not to do 50
hours one week and N the next it's to consistently do the amount of hours you can maintain in in all of those weeks and that absolutely applies whether you're just trying to you're you're training and being active for health um and to maximize your cardiovascular
ability to stay healthy live healthy lives and longevity whatever you want to call it it's all the same thing um or you you're trying to be the very best it does seem there's a sort of physiological cap for elite athletic performance because whether it's federa or Tom Brady you know everyone sort of
says I'm going to play well into my 30s even my 40s there's often they're often saying that's in the end of their 20s early 30s and then they get to the wrong side of 35 and it does seem like there's just something something gives yeah I don't necessarily think it's an age and
I think it's different for different sports you know that's that's a power based sport or or whatever it might be and different for different people depends what your kind of mechanical weaknesses are um this probably makes more sense that um it's a kind of it's a load thing over a period of time so
you've done a certain I started training very hard from being quite young and so probably brought forward a kind of um athletic kind of career in some ways if I'd started more training more in my mid 20s uh maybe i' you know still be going a bit more I don't know um but yeah it
definitely gets harder I think probably mentally as well that you know can you keep making those as we talked about earlier sacrifices MH most athletes say to you you know when it's time to retire you'll just know and then you get a few people who really just don't want to
retire so Jimmy Anderson the great England fast bowler he really just didn't want to retire kind of amazing athlete going into I think the age of 40 bowling at the elite elite level and was retired because he wasn't willing to retire himself how do you feel today day after you
announced the retirement does it feel bittersweet do you feel emotional about it or are you just looking to the Future yeah I think I'm lucky that I knew it was time to retire uh I've made this decision slowly um over a long period of time and I yeah I made the announcement yesterday but I yeah I I'd
really decided um probably a little bit uh before that um and yeah I actually raced the last race I did last weekend in the t00 World Series final in Dubai and came third and that was a good result and so a lot of people said you know is it making you reconsider and I
was like absolutely not actually uh I'm really happy with the decision and uh ending on a good race I think is the best thing that could happen so yeah I think that says a lot phenomenal to say goodbye on your terms um what what's next for alist brownley well at the moment uh some good holidays AIT bit of
a put put the feet on exactly yeah um I really want to I'm going to stay active and um there's a whole load of kind of challenges that I've wanted to do um but never really had the chance to do so kind of ultra running uh Ultra biking gravel bike racing mountain bike racing
all kinds of things um well I've been focused on Elite Sport because it doesn't give you the the time an opportunity to do stuff like that so A bunch of things like that and then um yeah a bunch of other exciting projects to get stuck into that um yeah some got some really cool things going on that
I'm really looking forward to and um be able to kind of talk a bit more about in the coming months well you've inspired a lot of people you've given a lot of people a lot of Joy when I was on the way here my cabbie was almost welling up talking about your 2012 win so thank you on behalf of the nation for doing that
for so many years and we're really excited about working with you on our companies we love having you as an angel investor in some of the companies and coaching the the CEOs to be better Elite perform so long may that continue thank you so much for coming on the show thank you [Music]