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So much fun, man.
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Having your friends around you and everyone's just like all dedicated to the same thing was just just fabulousness.
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>> Yeah, it's it's so it's so nice to just be doing something new.
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I think they're really excited to be like touching on this whole '8s thing.
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>> You've fit into it really good.
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All the beautiful flamboyant weirdness of the '8s rolled into this modern sort of encapsulation of it like Doge Cat, welcome back. Boom. >> Just like that. Just like that.
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you're here and with an absolute smasher.
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We're going to talk about that. How's your spirit? How's life? >> It's good. Life's good.
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I have just been kind of relaxing.
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I've been more peaceful than I've than I've really ever been.
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>> What do you put that down to, do you think?
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Are you at a point where you can reflect on why?
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>> I think it's cuz I guess I got some blackout curtains. >> It helps.
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>> And so I'm just watching a lot of movies lately.
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>> Yeah, >> that's like what I do now.
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And I never used to like give shows and movies a chance really.
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I was like kind of it had to be like hyped up before I tried anything.
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Um >> Well, that says that you're that you have found a space to be able to be comfortable not necessarily doing you. >> Yeah.
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And like it was so much just like making music in the last, you know, year.
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Um, so it's nice to I I always want to, but I think like, you know, it's just nice to be home with my my boy. >> Yeah.
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And you know, to achieve something, know you've done it.
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Give yourself a little space. It's getting busier.
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I saw I watched the day after I watched your stream of Outside Lands.
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Um, I clicked on it the next morning.
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I was fascinated because I hadn't seen you on a stage that big for a while.
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And um I have to say and I I texted my friend afterwards and I was like, "Holy you have to see this."
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>> Like it was so amazing. >> Oh, thank you.
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>> Like you've got your band and they're brilliant, but it's just you. >> Thank you.
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>> And you're holding that show down the whole time. >> Thank you so much.
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>> And you make it look really easy and I know it's not.
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How did that feel for you getting out in front of a crowd like that knowing that you had Jealous Type ready to go? You were sitting on it.
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You have new music, a new era.
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Must have felt a little bit like a victory lap quickly before you kick it back into gear again.
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It's exciting, but I think it's also like I I'm I haven't sung that song yet live and I was barely singing it during rehearsals because I didn't have that long of rehearsals.
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>> And so it's it's scary.
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Like I would use the word scary to describe that.
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But I'm excited cuz I'm going to be doing it for, you know, our next uh run. Um >> it's yours now.
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It's it's yours for life. >> Yeah.
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And and I'm just so excited about it.
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I want to um like play it all the time for people and I obviously want to leak everything >> immediately after I never change sometimes >> even when they sound like >> It's funny, you know, because we got to know you through the internet.
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Like a lot of your generation of people that was like, I've got this tool. I'll just use it, right? I'm bored.
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I'll do some cool creative And then people decide what they fall in love with.
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And then you get to decide what you do with our attention.
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Okay, I'm going to make a career out of this. I'm going do it my way.
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and you just got to come for the ride and leave that old behind.
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But your relationship with that must have changed.
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But you just joke about some things still being at your fingertips and still tempting you to just kind of want to lean into what it is, right?
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>> It's a disruptive place. >> Sure.
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I I think um I think it's important to have that sort of disruptiveness to your life as a creative.
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>> Um otherwise, you know, then what's the point?
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I think um you can't really make any new philosophies or or points or things that that um make you feel like you're like you're evolving or are moving forward.
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Um but it's it's yeah, I've just really enjoyed talking about things that I have talked about but in a different way. Yeah.
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I think like I love talking about love and I also think like music is just such like a um a door for talking about love and expressing love in its different forms.
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I mean like people being like baby in every song that's ever been made.
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>> So I think um this is like that for me.
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This is like >> this is that album.
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>> This is my baby baby album.
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This >> your baby baby album. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It's kind of that 80s tacky like romance sort of spin, but in in a way that relates to me personally.
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>> But the but the personal thing must have come first, right?
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I mean, obviously going out there in front of the Eiffel Tower and bringing that little Jenna Sequa to the equation and having fun with it is one thing, but um you need a body of work to wrap that around. Yeah.
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>> And uh it sounds like this started from a personal place.
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Not everybody leans into that space.
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They keep it to themselves and choose other emotions in life to write about.
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The love is too strong for you.
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You wanted to tribute it. Yeah.
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I mean, people kind of associate Libras with >> My wife's a Libra, so you're in good company. >> Romance.
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>> Um, and being a romantic.
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Uh, and so I think that's something that's just maybe my calling or something. I don't know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, but yeah.
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>> How was the how was the subject matter to write about?
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Coming from a very person, you've always been very honest in your writing, but sometimes it's drama and sometimes it's angry.
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Well, there's there's other things outside of myself that were inspiring me to write about these things.
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I had been in relationships that made me think about um things in a different way.
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And >> um I think you know naivity is like a big part of this album too.
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Um, I speak about sort of um rushing and um sort of lovebombing in a way.
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That's kind of a big one.
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I think that's a fun subject to sing about. >> Yeah. What is that?
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How define that term from your point of view?
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Because I've heard a couple of times in my life.
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I think um sometimes people don't know that they're doing it, but or they do.
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Um but but you know, giving excessive compliments and gifts right off the bat, that sort of thing.
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>> Uh I thought that was a really fun thing to write about.
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And also um being okay with this is a separate subject, but being okay with uh when when someone finds someone else and understanding that and and um taking value from it as a as a lesson essentially like >> seasons. >> Yeah.
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and and and understanding that you did something good there and that's a that's a good thing that you did something good for that person.
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>> That's your passport to to a new love because and and that's why it's so heartbreaking when us as humans or the people we care about can't find that >> peaceful place >> because it means that the next relationship's already going to suffer. >> Yeah. >> Out the gate. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean?
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And and what have we if not our relationships?
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I I personally think that's the whole purpose of humanity.
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>> Well, that's kind of where why the the title of the album is V because it obviously kind of like turned into a whole thing because it started with the triple V which is 555.
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But but life what what is life without love >> is kind of the point of the whole title of the album.
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>> Something that you've probably been like all of us searching for in your life to with increasing desire, increasing meaning, right?
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Um, and and now you think that you have an album dedicated to it in it in its truest form today and sort of how do you feel about the the kid, the younger you that was searching for that, that probably made mistakes and did all those things to find what true love really is, right?
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Because you can't find it out the gate, I don't think.
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I think you have to make mistakes. >> No, no, no. Yeah, you can't.
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You definitely I mean some some people have really good um examples of love early on in their life.
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>> Good instincts early on. Yeah. >> Yeah.
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good instincts and and having like um parents that that set a beautiful example for that.
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I think that's important, but not a lot of people don't have that.
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>> Um and so it's it's up to you to kind of search for that knowledge and wisdom through I mean therapy or >> whatever sort of um conversations might help you, but I think therapy has been like my main Same. >> Yeah.
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and and and from I that this album really grew from my sessions in therapy and being so like kind of gung-ho on like being there twice a week and doing it and >> yeah, >> learning about the human experience and how our brains function subconsciously and >> yeah, the wiring of it all, right?
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Like how we process things.
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And for me, it was always processing through my body and not letting my mind do its job. >> Yeah.
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>> And that was that was that was tough for a long time. So I figured that part.
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Can I sit there for a second with you and just talk about um self-awareness and self-kindness and and sort of those areas in this process of therapy that allowed you to create a joyful sounding record?
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You can't do that unless you can look at yourself and actually appreciate who you are.
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Was that Has it has that been a journey for you? >> Um I Yeah, sure.
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I think I think I mean everyone's so different, right?
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I mean, there's people who are, you know, in a creative process.
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I don't know if it's so much like you have to appreciate and love yourself to make a great great piece of art cuz there's been a lot of in the past of people Van Go cut his damn ear off.
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I mean, I'm going to do that to myself, but >> but this album feels like you you have this isn't an cutting your ear off album. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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No, this is something where I wanted to return back to something that I knew that I was good at and I know that I'm good at at tongue and cheek and I know that like I love to sing and I just have been working on my voice and my instrument and I feel like I can do a lot more things that I could never do.
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Oh, >> the end of jealous time.
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Man, you go for it and it's like it's amazing. >> Thank you. I couldn't sing.
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I like I really couldn't sing.
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Like I remember when I couldn't sing.
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I feel like there's singers who have been singing their whole life, >> but like I I really recently started.
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And so I it's, you know, I I love I love this project.
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Um because I feel like it's just a more evolved, more mature version of whatever I've been doing for since the beginning.
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>> This is who you are today, Doa.
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>> This is who you are today, Doa. like I'm looking at this amazing image of you right in front of me which leans into this idea of like I said this Jenna Seiqua this French fabulousness of a certain period in time and the song reflects that it's got that jam and Lewis straight up loose ends just heavy
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bottom end funk to it um but in between the Scarlet era where you're touring and that's who you are then and you are like a classic artist in the sense that to me you shapeshift like Bowie shape shifts like great artists come back and they're like this is what inspires me I'm going to inhabit it 100%. Right. Right.
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>> But there must be a space in between the Scarlet era and the V era where you get to just be you away from this and everything else.
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What did that feel like this time around?
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How did what did it feel like coming off a pack of Scarlet and knowing that next time you come back it'll be a different doer?
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>> I think that it's just there's a marbling of like what I want to see in the future and what I was and in between it's it's two of the same thing. It's a bit messy.
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I I I really in between those two um visual projects, these two visual projects, it was kind of like I knew what I wanted, but I I wasn't, you know, I go home and I play Fortnite and I don't really, you know, I'm not dressing up and if I go out I can't I mean I don't I mean I do I have people know that.
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>> Wait, which one is it?
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>> You shouldn't go out, >> but I do sometimes uh to a healthy amount now.
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So, I I try to stay home and just like, you know, I look at all the new incredible um makeup artists and designers and um stylists on Instagram and >> absorbing your mood board. >> Yeah.
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It's like a recharge and I get to see what everyone's doing and be inspired by it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So, when did this start to to take shape for you or at least when did you realize like I the teaser of you in Paris talking to yourself?
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I love the you know you're here.
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It's like of course it's like this whole idea the the playfulness of it like you know when did you jump in the Delorean and go back to the 80s and really start to absorb that.
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>> I you know what it is?
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It's the the8s reminds me or I know nothing about it.
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Let me start there because I'm 29 correct. >> I am born in 95. factually correct.
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>> But my mother like she didn't grow up in the 80s but she you know it's like you think of your friend's parents or whatever the past and like what you never could have been and you're like I want to understand that more >> and I want to I want to depict it in my own way.
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Maybe give it a modern twist or something but like there's comfort in that.
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>> No, it makes sense because I think a lot of times we try to keep everyone too honest where it's like well you didn't grow up in the '8s.
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What would you possibly know about the '8s?
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And it's like, yeah, but surely my desire to go and experience it from nothing >> is a unique perspective.
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I don't want to redo what I already went through. >> Yeah.
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>> I want to see it >> from way down the road.
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>> So, what did you see when you went into that world?
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What is the '8s for someone who was born in 1995?
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>> I'm I'm really just taking things that I like from the imagery from that time and like I love like uh you know what?
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I don't even really like Back to the Future. I just like the car.
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>> That's what I'm saying. The Delorean.
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It's just It's a cool looking car.
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>> It's a cool It's a great movie. It's a great movie.
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I just I'm not like a big fan of it.
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I just really love the cars from that time.
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So, I'll take anything that feels that I I that I connect with that I just think is sexy and I apply it to the imagery.
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And I loved the red Ferrari as being like a a symbol or a token and having um >> legs with hosery and and um heels or red bottoms or whatever cuz it just reminds me of a um an elegance or a a sophistication from that time.
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>> If there's a coldness to the 80s which was very hot, >> it's like now everyone's like that's just really cold and it's like no that was really hot.
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Super super sllicked back, very sleek, tight, efficient design, streamlined design, >> you know, and I feel like they discovered color for the first time or some >> Yeah, that's how it >> cuz everything was so vivid. >> Yeah.
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It It felt like Well, the synth was kind of like introduced then >> and no one knew how to use it.
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>> So that's why all the number one songs are the weirdest songs ever cuz everyone's just working at what preset 73 actually sounds like.
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As much as it sounds awesome, a lot of the Cynthy like bigger songs from that time sounded lazy almost >> because they were just because they were just going.
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>> When you turn it on for the first time and you realize that preset 41 does that, you're like, why do I have to do it's the first real AI.
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It's kind of the first AI in a way.
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so full and so real and like and warm that it was you can feel like you were there when you hear it because it's every sound >> is on the front.
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It's not >> being you know melded together like uh and no offense to dubstep but just kind of like that where the sound is like a >> it's like textural. It wasn't textural.
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There's nothing textural about it. >> No. No.
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And also and also it was like um it's like it's like and I and I had this and we'll talk about Jack now if you like because I went into his studio in New York and we we did a piece and we hung out afterwards and got on his on his all his analog synths and stuff.
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So fun like all of a sudden you're on a little ar and then it changes shape.
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It gets a little like interesting and it makes you feel a little bit there's a darkness out there and you're like yeah there's a song here.
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>> I mean it's endless the things that they they made back then and they're also some of the most beautiful designs too just physically.
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I like I have some of these things in my studio and I haven't used them once.
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>> They look beautiful >> and and it's because I don't know how to use the program.
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Like I try to like they're all hooked up but I need I like have been putting it off.
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My studio's kind of been sort of a a part of my stress in my house.
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But um I want to I want to play with these these toys. I just don't there.
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Yeah, there the possibilities are endless.
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>> There lies a little bit of the challenge.
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um you start it's playtime when you begin >> and then as things become bigger >> and you achieve what you want to achieve you sort of lose a little bit of that playtime because it becomes work. >> Sure. >> And work is great. >> Yeah.
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>> Like Brian always says like you cannot forget about playtime.
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>> And is that kind of what this album felt like a little bit more to you?
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Like getting back to the to the in the sense of the beginning the play time like I don't know where the I am right now but I like how it sounds.
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It's fun because I have a subject matter like there's something that I can look at and and choose what topic I want to do.
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So, it's it's formulaic, but I'm able to >> play and at the same time, yes, I'm working with Jack Antonoff um and and working with a new with a person that's new in my life.
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And so it's the grappling with um talking about something personal and creating something fresh and then getting to know someone new and then you know all of these things fell together really naturally and he's just been such a a wonderful person to work with.
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I've been I really played through like the whole thing and like it's just been like I literally have a song called Silly Fun and it's like and it's that's the love bombing song but like I I'm like Amen is one song off of the album that is like very goofy and that was like I think what I wanted to do was play with my voice in ways that are a little bit less con unconventional.
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Um, and and so I'm kind of shrieking a little bit on this album.
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>> Uh, and that's been a lot of fun.
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>> That's how we got to know you.
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We got to know you as this person who was not thinking about anyone else's concept of your creative energy.
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You were just doing what you wanted.
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>> It's a theater kid energy.
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>> Sometimes it's obnoxious.
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>> Well, but listen, here are the two there's a few things you need if you want to be successful in this business.
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I think one is delusion and the other is an an ability to be able to be obnoxious as and when required. >> Yeah.
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>> Um you know but then success did happen and I feel like >> once again I want to I want to pay my respects to you and your work ethic out of there's a lot of things that you bring to the table. You work hard.
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You to scarlet really hard.
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You took around you know you took it to people and you really showed yourself as a true performer at a very high level and we see that now.
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How did you feel about your own abilities coming off the back of that?
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Had it changed your perception of what was you were capable of achieving that success and working hard for it and knowing you could do it again if you wanted to? >> Um, sure.
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In a way, I think that like with Scarlet, I I brought dancers on and they just make the show captivating and incredible.
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I remember the second leg I didn't have my dancers.
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Um, and it was that was the challenge for me is I was kind of returning back to being on stage with no dancers and and finding myself alone.
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um and what that meant like who am I without my dancers and and um it's it gave me a strong sense of freedom and understanding that like I I have freedom and but I also have incredible people that I can look to when I want to enhance something in a certain way creatively.
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Um but I've I I love I love being out there alone. I really do.
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>> You're so comfortable on that stage.
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I think that it's been done before and it's been done so well, so why can't I?
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And and I think that that's not to say I'm not saying like I'm that good alone, but I feel good alone.
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>> Well, it means that when you go back to the group mentality, >> Yeah.
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>> it's not as scary knowing that you can handle it yourself. >> Yeah.
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I think it also depends what kind of music you're doing, right?
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So, with Scarlet, it was a lot more um emotional and personal that album.
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So, um, doing songs that are so personal and so emotional alone feels a a lot better to be honest with without because you're you're expressing something that's just more visceral and and you're I think people want to see that.
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And um but I loved I really loved working with um Ebony Williams >> and uh and and that was just an incredible incredible tour that I like I'm very very lucky.
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>> Yeah, it was a real tour.
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I mean it was a real one laminate around your neck world tour.
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Like you know we're going to do this thing and we're going to prove it.
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And um that's why I loved watching you at Outside Lands cuz I was like it's like you don't forget that So, as soon as the lights went down, you looked and it was like and the the whole first time I'd seen it with the big hair and the whole thing, I was like, "Oh, This is >> this is really serious."
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Like, >> yeah, it's it's fun.
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>> You know, every time that an artist like you shows up because of the passion people have for who you are and what you do, but also because you can't have a hit.
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There's no feelood hits anymore.
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Hits come with discourse. Discourses. We love you. I think it's overrated.
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I think it's completely underrated. D is the back and forth.
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And you you you embrace that.
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you you embrace the modern form of of relationship with fans and stuff, but doing a pop album to some degree must lighten the mood at least today going forward for you because it's pop music.
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It's there to be enjoyed and embraced and it's supposed to it's not supposed to be ripped apart.
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It's supposed to be cherished.
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>> It's truly, for lack of a better word, fun. >> Yeah.
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And I think that's what people need right now is to remember that life can be fun >> and that, you know, it's not always so serious all the time.
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Even though there's a lot of serious things that we do need to like talk about and express as artists, I think what makes us artists are the more serious, more intense moments of our lives.
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And um so when an artist talks about something that's really deeprooted or or you know serious it it can be taken as oh well I don't relate to that or I don't understand that or I don't need to hear this after >> um coming home from work from my 9 to5.
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I don't need to hear about this person's problems and that's totally understandable and that's why a lot of sad music doesn't really do very well with charts and numbers and things like that.
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Yeah, there's a there's times for it.
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there's times not for it.
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And and right now I just want to talk about I don't know I feel sexy and I feel um inspired and I feel uh like I've learned a lot in therapy and I can convert that into something positive.
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>> For people who've yet to do therapy but are interested in it and perhaps trying to find a way to make it work for them either financially or timing wise or whatever else.
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How has it worked for you?
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What's been the biggest takeaway for you?
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What's the single biggest thing you've taken away from having a safe space to communicate?
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>> I think that observing myself over the years and the things that I look back on like, oof, I wish I didn't or my regrets maybe.
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I'm able to now recognize those things before they happen.
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and and I can look inside myself and not see myself as one person, but yet uh two people who um is, you know, one of them is a person I'm trying to protect.
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And so I I I think that sometimes with overprotectiveness comes like a uh you you sort of turn you're you're you're blind a little bit.
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um or you may not communicate things exactly how you'd love to communicate them.
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Um and so I I've learned through therapy how to pinpoint those moments and see them way before they happen.
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And and that just has made me feel a lot safer.
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And I'm big on feeling safe.
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>> So I Yeah, I think that's you know, >> it's interesting, isn't it? because I I'm the same.
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I've leared to embrace security and safety as things I really love.
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And yet, I think, you know, it's it at certain points in your life based on whatever you've been through or what you're trying to figure out, you often unwillingly expose yourself to these environments that aren't that.
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And then ask yourself all the time like, why does this keep happening to me?
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Like, I don't understand.
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>> How am I traveling all around the world and putting myself on a stage and going like this? >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Why am I so psycho? Right.
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Why do I why do I want this when I just want safety and security? >> Yeah.
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>> Um and there and I >> there's something about the artistic spirit, the desire to communicate and share one's truth and to perform it. >> I think that's love.
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I think that creativity is love.
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I think that like you there's people who they love someone or something that they don't care where that puts them, where where in the world that places them. Maybe if it it's a risk.
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I think you risk a lot for love.
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And so I mean when a performer loves what they do >> or a musician loves what they do, sometimes that entails things that are like kind of uncomfortable, but it doesn't matter because you love that thing so much.
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>> Well, I think it also starts out as a desire for love too, doesn't it?
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It's a form of love because because maybe there isn't a conventional or a conventional idea of love that you truly understand.
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And so this feels like love to me.
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People telling me I'm great or or dancing to my music feels like a form of love.
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>> But at some point, and I think maybe keep me honest, but I think where you find yourself today with this record is that you identify that as a form of love, but not the only form of love. >> Yes. Yes.
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>> That it's exactly >> Yeah. It's one way. It's one way.
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>> It can't be just that way because otherwise >> Yeah.
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>> You give too much of yourself for it, right? >> Yeah.
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There's so many different fractals of what love is.
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I mean, not, you know, it's it's so many things.
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So, >> yeah, you find it in family, you find it in friends, you find it in pets, you find it in in creative um ventures, and Yeah.
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>> And you're in love right now.
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That's where you want to be all the time. >> Hey, hey, hey.
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>> Are you into full 80s, right? >> Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Yeah, I'm just going, >> you know, I love I love to be in love and also it's it's interesting cuz you can also be addicted to love.
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>> Yeah, >> you can be addicted to romance. >> Yeah. >> Right.
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And it's I don't mean that in the sexual um sense, but there's some people who really are addicted to love and and >> I had to find out that we defining it's an important part of the process, too. >> Yeah. >> Right. For you. >> Yeah.
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But I but that helps define what I am speaking about, what my subject matter is when I'm making music.
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And it's always been that.
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It's always been romantic energy.
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>> Um even though I've I've like rafted about punching people, but other than that, I don't know. I just Yeah.
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I mean, >> you can't have one without the other.
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>> Yeah, you can't have a push and pull experience.
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Um the album is called V.
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It is just It already looks like it's going to be a really great ride for all of us to watch you bring it to life. >> I'm so excited.
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>> The show is already fire and you haven't even unveiled the new the new songs.
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You're already like total performance ready. >> Thank you.
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>> Um so just give us a quick before we say goodbye to this cuz there's always just supposed to be a quick catch up.
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We don't have we can't talk.
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I don't want to talk about the album cuz people can't hear it, >> but but I'd love to know about the timeline of things right now for the remainder of the year and kind of how you're prioritizing and making the Matrix work for you going forward from touring, putting the album out.
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Like what have we got to look forward to?
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>> Um, so I am going to be in Asia and Australia, China and Australia. Um, coming up very soon. I'm not good with dates. >> Just go. Okay.
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>> Yeah, it's called the internet.
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It's called the internet. >> Yeah.
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Um, so I I'm I have that tour coming up and I'm rehearsing for some other, you know, fun things >> stuff. Yeah. >> Don't say it. Okay. He's shaking his head. I'm not going to say it. >> I want to.
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Uh, but yeah, I think, you know, I just have some fun shows coming up and I can't wait to put my album out.