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It was really hurting for a second.
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Now it just hurts a little bit. And um I'm doing great.
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Hey, what's going on everybody?
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For First We Feast, I'm Sean Evans and you're watching Hot Ones.
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It's the show with hot questions and even hotter wings.
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And today we're joined by Doja Cat.
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She's a Grammy Award-winning artist and certified hitmaker with close to a dozen Billboard top 10s over the years and she's likely to add to that total with the release of her fourth studio album Scarlet, set to drop on September 22nd.
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Attention, demons and Paint the Town Red, the latest singles.
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Doja Cat, welcome to the show. Hi.
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What's going through your head as you prepare to take on the Hot Ones gauntlet?
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Are you at all nervous going into this? No, not really.
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I'm kind of a Can I curse? Yeah, let it fly.
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I'm kind of a [ __ ] but I'm not like I don't know.
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I'm I'll do it to myself one time. Am I right? Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Thank you. Thank you. I'm hungry. And that was great. It's great. It's fantastic. Amazing. We'll take that.
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You know, I understand that the working title previously was Hellmouth.
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I'm curious, can you pull back the curtain on the internal calculus that goes into naming an album?
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Like is it something that you labor over for a long time or is it more spontaneous than that? For sure. Yeah, definitely.
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It's something where like I I don't care about the meaning being so deep as much as the word being a cool word.
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I like, you know, I I just like I like good words.
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And I thought Hellmouth was cool cuz it it meant something. I forgot what it meant.
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Uh if we Google it, we can It's like the mouth of hell, you know?
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Yeah, it's like it's like a gate It's like the gates of hell.
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But that felt so aggressive to me after a while and I like I don't know if I even like it anymore and I changed my mind constantly.
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And Scarlet felt like the right thing to do cuz um it's kind of an ode to hot pink.
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I did a name of a color, but it's not really.
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It's sort of like you don't think of Scarlet.
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You think of it as like someone's first name and not as a color.
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But that was kind of the twist to it.
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And also red is just a passionate shade of, you know, color.
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Yeah, that makes sense to me.
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All right, Doja Cat, are you ready to move on here to sauce number two? Yes, I'm leaking. I know.
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And then just be careful. Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying?
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There's cross-pollination issues here.
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it's been awful for this this last week.
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I Yeah, I my eyes been leaking a lot.
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Good thing you're here on this show. it's extra terrible.
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So this one, uh, blistered shishito and garlic. That's fire. Woah.
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I don't want to be like a monster on camera eating these. But I might be. There you go. Just Just dive in. Just dive in. Just dive in.
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What role did Bananas in Leimert Park play in shaping you as a young performer?
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And then how would you describe a typical show for then teenage Doja Cat? My god, Bananas. Bananas. Bananas.
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It's just a blessing to be able to perform for no matter how big or small the crowd is.
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Bananas gave me that opportunity to express myself and I've had some shows that will haunt me for the rest of my days and not for like any other reason other than like my wig was always sliding off the back of my head and like I remember that and I like like used to cut my wigs myself and Are there toothpicks? Oh.
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Yeah, we got we got everything covered over here.
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do have everything covered.
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Any sort of hurdles someone has hit on this show we try to problem solve in the future, you know. that.
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Back in the day it was just you know it was all about the music and I didn't you know have the means to you know have a great glam team that I have today. So, you know. Look at you now. Yeah, thank you. No wig at all. This is really good. But I have a meal plan.
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I kind of I like to sort of tweak on days and you know, go back to my plan, but this is great. This is our cheat meal.
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my cheat meal that we offer, yeah. Yeah.
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So, it feels fitting that you're making your triumphant return to bars in 2023 and I was really interested in a quote that you had in a 2019 interview with Elle where you said, "We need people who are open to doing something with theme, something with a cartoonish twist."
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What do you see as the role of cartoonishness in rap music?
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I think the correct words the the words that I could have used that would have been better were like campiness.
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I think like when I don't know, rap back in the day was just a lot more I don't I don't even think it's it's better now or better then.
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It's just like I I get very excited when I see rappers who are interested in in their visuals in a way where they're they're ready to kind of do something new and and twist things and do something camp.
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I I like Busta was a pioneer.
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His fashion back in the day was just ridiculously good and cool.
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I don't know if he knows. But he's cool.
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And And I feel like Missy is another big one. Um who else? Left Eye's a big one.
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I mean really I feel like everybody was doing it really really well back in the day.
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So I mean those are just a few that I can name off the top of my head. It's good.
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It kind of tastes like a delicious foot.
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You know when things are smoky or have sort of like a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Little earthy. Little yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Have you ever smelled cumin? Just like alone? Yeah. Yeah.
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It kind of smells like a foot. Pure foot.
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It smells like body odor.
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But there's something kind of it's fine. I want it in my food. You know?
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What's the key to a good vocal fry in your opinion?
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Like from a sound engineering perspective, is there anything special that goes into making that unique Doja Cat airy sound?
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I feel like raspiness when talking is frowned upon.
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But unless you're Joey Diaz. Um Good reference.
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it's in music, it's great. I think it's useful.
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I think if you have Not Not everybody's voice has to be buttery smooth and and perfect for or whatever that means. But um I don't know.
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I'm I've been able to make use of of my vocal fry.
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I also pick and choose when to when to use it.
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I think my voice like right now, I don't think I have any vocal fry.
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But there's moments, there's days where I'm just like up here and I'm you know an old lady.
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Another thing that happens is if I have headphones on and I hear myself, I can kind of take control of my voice better.
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I think I'm trying to be quieter when I hear myself in my own ears and so then my voice kind of goes here and you get that little bit of like a fry when I when I go lower and lower and lower and lower.
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But yeah, since I'm talking up here, you don't get any fry. We're halfway through. I'm very proud of me. You should be. And you. Oh, yeah. Okay, I get it. Yeah, I'm first one. First one.
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Every I say [ __ ] you, I don't mean it like that. It's all right.
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I've been I've been cursed out by some of the most famous people in the world, you know, and I've become accepting of it, you know, like I get it.
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I understand it, you know. Come on. But still going in.
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Still going back for it, though.
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Yeah, no, that don't That's fine. That doesn't phase me.
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I'm just scared for the next maybe the the next next.
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This one was kind of jarring up front, you know, it does have that that layer to it, you know, the violence. I forgot.
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What in your opinion is the golden era of music videos and if you look through the tea leaves, what do you see as the future of making them? I think you know what?
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It would be nice to explore pulling back a little bit cuz I know I I put myself through a lot of stuff when it comes to my visuals.
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Like attention for instance, I'm wearing jeans and a t-shirt and a jacket and some jewelry and my makeup's not I don't have prosthetics, I don't have a wig. I'm just me.
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I'm very comfortable in that video and that was such a nice break from kind of the hell of having to wear plastic bras and like 7-in platform You know what I mean? Mhm.
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So that was really refreshing.
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So I think you know what?
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As far as like the future of my videos, I do want to pull back a little bit.
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Um but not be lazy in that sense. I'm crying. I know. That's the show. That's the show.
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And it's just my left eye.
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And And it's on this day.
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Had to have it on this day. It's not the wings, too. I know.
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It's always how it lines up. I know. way. I know. What the hell? Thank you. Um maybe just tissues. Is there tissue? Yeah. See, we got it all.
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the mirror and I'll bring it back to you when we're done.
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[ __ ] Whiskey smoked ghost. To be fair Yeah.
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there's an even dispersal.
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There's a very even dispersal. Yeah. Yeah.
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We can We care about the little big things here, you know?
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I remember back in the day it used to be they'd dab it on there in like a little There'd be a little puddle of the sauce in the center of a bare wing.
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That used to hurt my soul.
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I'm glad that you guys have Have a vlog. come this far. Wow.
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So, you're like back back. Way back. Yeah.
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I've been watching this I I'm addicted to the internet. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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What's like your weirdest YouTube rabbit hole you've been Um Oh, man. I love this question.
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I also hate it cuz I can't think of There's so many things.
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Um I was on a a Steve Wilkos Shout out the legend. vendor.
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YouTube Poop has a lot of interesting I feel YouTube Poop. Put me on game.
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know what YouTube Poop is? No. No. No. No idea.
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So, you It's a subgenre of YouTube comedy.
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And it involves taking I like it most when it's a talk show and you go in and edit it to make it sound like someone's saying something that's like super like crass and like crazy and like like there's some Dr.
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Phil YouTube poops out there that are some of the best ones and I keep going back to them but it's a very deep rabbit hole and there's a lot of bad ones that aren't funny at all. That's good. It's chill. It's about to hit me. It's one of the yeah.
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That's the thing sometimes is is you talk about them and it's almost like they hear you. Yep. Yeah. How's my lipstick? Is it okay?
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It's not doing that build up on the inside of the lips. All right.
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[ __ ] We here at First We Feast we are really excited to read in a 2021 cover story that you did with Rolling Stone that you dreamed of doing a cooking show in the vein of Action Bronson's [ __ ] That's Delicious.
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Do you have an elevator pitch cuz you know, you have a home here if you still need one.
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Um I really wanted to do a cooking show but I got so much [ __ ] going on. I know. I know. to I want to make music.
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Like I love I love to cook. Love to cook.
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They make fun of me all the time when I cook cuz the way I cook I cook like a cartoon character.
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I do like I'm kind of extra.
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Um but yeah, I wanted to do a show cuz I was making these sandwiches.
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It was like like Wagyu and Gruyère and stuff? Yo, yeah. Oh, [ __ ] Okay.
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So, yeah, so people know about it.
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I was making these sandwiches and they're really good.
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They're really rich but it's a kind of the only amazing thing I know how to make. All right, Doja Cat. This is the moment.
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When you walked in, you were like, "Is the bomb here? Yeah.
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There's a reputation that precedes. And it is that time. Mommy.
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Yeah, don't say yourself. going to bite into it?
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Yeah, I'm just going to dive in.
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This is the kind This is There's a There's a threshold and I'm not stalling.
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There's a threshold of like You can stall.
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where where pepper is like a delicious flavor.
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Each pepper is unique and has an amazing new flavor to it.
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And then there's the peppers that all taste the same cuz they all taste like hot dirt.
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Yeah, well, I think this one might exclusively use hot dirt.
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I don't even need to bite.
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Do I have to bite into this? You kind of have to. need to bite into this. I'm already there. Bye-bye. There we go. There we go. Game face on.
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Penis, [ __ ] And the party has started. That's good.
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It doesn't get worse than that.
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What are you talking about? That's delicious.
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All right, so you know, one of my great favorite simple pleasures in life is running a frozen eucalyptus towel over my head. Oh my goodness.
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You've had the bomb before. Yeah. Many, many times. [ __ ] you up? Yeah, every time.
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The discomfort that you feel the discomfort that you're going through, I catch it every single time. You know? What was the question? Okay.
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One of the great simple pleasures in my life is running a frozen eucalyptus towel over my head after a long workout and I really kind of pity people who will never know the feeling.
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What to you so far has been the most welcome benefit of going bald.
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So, I like what I like most about it is I can focus on what I'm wearing and less about my hair. Mhm.
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So, I've been able to like I don't know.
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It's just like hair is another It's a whole other world.
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It's a whole other situation.
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It's like you got to braid it and piggies, heels, and [ __ ] like that. It's like [ __ ] that.
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I could just do a cute outfit and be bald.
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Like there's a hell of bad [ __ ] that are bald in this world.
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Like why would I have to do hair all the time?
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This is not so bad after a while. Right.
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Once you kind of settle into it.
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And uh I don't know if you're catching it, Mhm.
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but I can get kind of a weightlessness, sort of head high Mhm.
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that I think has been easier to shake off the more I do it.
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So, now pretty much every single episode, I get high at about this time. Yeah. I You know what?
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I know you're I know what you're talking about. Ow.
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I know what you're talking about cuz it was really hurting for a second.
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Now it just hurts a little bit. And um I'm doing great. I'm 5'3. I'm only one man. Double fisting.
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I don't know what I want more. Right. Sophie's choice here. Yeah.
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So, I know that you game and flexed that in Nintendo where you shouted out everything from Spyro to Mortal Kombat, Super Smash Bros, and even had the GameCube startup music on loop.
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You just seem like the right person to ask, which video game do you think has the best original music? Uh okay. So, I got two.
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Well, well, I like Crash Bandicoot soundtrack, music.
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My favorite is Barbie on GameCube. I sampled it one time.
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And it's a genie Barbie the genie game on GameCube. And it's so good.
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But like I think you're a mermaid for some of it.
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You're on a carpet and you're flying. And it's so [ __ ] dope.
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And that yeah, the music is amazing.
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And it's all that eight-bit sound, but it's like these amazing ensembles of eight-bit I'll gleek a little bit. Eight-bit uh sound. And it's it's amazing.
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Let's play one's got to go cult classic game edition, okay? Okay.
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Fusion Frenzy, Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee, Earthworm Jim. What about it?
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I want all of those games.
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but you got to kick one out.
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I'm kicking out Fusion Frenzy just cuz it makes me upset. That game is very hard.
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The the computer like the the NPCs are too smart. Like they're too good.
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I think they [ __ ] up in that game.
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I don't really care at this point. It doesn't matter. Okay. Yes. I'm just going to do it. I respect it. Yeah, that's smart. That's smart. That's smart. Little puddle. that it's that crazy? So it is hot. I'm just hedging. I'm just hedging.
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I mean it's the 10th one, you know. Cheers. What a ride. And there it goes. Did you lie?
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It has a little bit of a timer on it. You lied. Hidden. Right now. Hidden right now. That's fair.
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Going through us like a wave.
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It's going to It makes the show, but, you know, cool and fun to watch. And you are crushing it.
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Still on your feet, both of us right now slaying a hot sauce beast from within, which is actually a rather poetic segue to this last hurdle.
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Cuz in an interview that you did last year with Days, you revealed another hyphenate to your many hyphens as an entertainer when you said, "I love to paint monsters.
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That's my favorite thing.
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So, I'll doodle a monster and then put it on big canvas.
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It's been an interesting process."
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So, with that in mind, I realized that this is kind of a tall ask given where we are in the show, but we have a little sketch pad and a pencil. Oh, what?
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so honored if you would maybe give us a monster doodle inspired by your experience with the Wings of Death today. Oh my god, this is fun. Thanks.
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It's the least we can do. Aw. Yeah, I can do some.
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What the [ __ ] Yeah, that's not as bad as the bomb, but still really [ __ ] terrible. It sucks. Yeah, I know. I get it.
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I get I'm so I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It's a show.
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I have to apologize for it. Oh my god.
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No, I mean, it's a brilliant show. Yeah.
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How long do you do you want me to take with this?
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Do I have like 10 minutes? Do I have 5 minutes?
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You take it wherever you want to go because, you know, we got a little fade cross fade in the edit, you know. It'll move. Take your time.
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Do whatever you got to do with it. Love that.
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And you're going to like this. I can tell. I know already.
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I don't know you very well, but I think you'll like this. I'm doing like a oop. All right. Shit's in my throat.
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All right, this is my monster.
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No, actually [ __ ] that here.
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I'm going to actually make it scary.
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I'm going to cover color his eyes in.
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I think that's what it needed. That's dope. I think he's cute.
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A masterpiece if I've ever seen one.
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Hang it in the Louvre and look at you, Doja Cat, taking on the wings of death and living to tell the tale.
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And now there's nothing left to do but roll out the red carpet for you.
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This camera, this camera, this camera, let the people know what you have going on in your life. I got a tour coming up.
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It's called the Scarlet Tour.
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Um Let me put this [ __ ] down. Close this book.
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I got the Scarlet Tour coming up and I got uh what else do I got going on?
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I got my album coming out on the 22nd of September. Is it this month? Is it September yet? Mhm. Okay.
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And and um that's basically it. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU DID IT. HOT HOT HOT SAUCE.
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Be careful around the eyes.
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Don't say I didn't warn you.