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[music] [music] I did that yesterday.
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>> [music] >> Oh, I years ago when I was a kid.
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I didn't want to [music] do it years ago, but I did.
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I did that yesterday when [music] I was a kid. Weekend.
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I like your [music] outfit.
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You'll know you only live once.
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You kept the beat as it was.
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Charlie, your next [music] I guess I'm planned maybe. All good we all feel.
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Baby, you're ready for the next [music] edge next. I did that yesterday.
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Oh, I did that years ago when I was [music] a kid.
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I didn't want to do it yesterday, but I did.
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I did that yesterday [music] when I was a kid. You don't get it.
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Maybe you [music] catch up soon rather than later.
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Baby, it's lonely in the future. You don't get it.
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[music] It's a Maybe you catch up soon rather than later. Sorry.
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It's lonely [music] in 20 years ago. I did.
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I turn word for word when I was a kid.
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Stick to the technical [music] disaster.
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You would not recognize art in any age.
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[music] [music] On the first day we had [music] jumped in the water. Yeah.
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The costume got costume is so [music] wet.
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I'd like to dry [music] it for the grassful helping waste [music] cuz it's my fault. I don't care. [music] I don't care.
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Anybody can a place like I would that years ago.
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[music] I like that years ago when I was a kid and in [music] a 100,000 days from now I say I did that yesterday when [music] I was a kid.
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Wow, this guitar sounds so cool. >> Thanks, man.
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Yeah, that was I I did that in Hawaii. >> Nice.
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Yeah, I was just thinking that that song had has had a long journey. >> How did it start? What do you remember?
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>> It was a song I had that I sent the band a long time ago and then Julian liked it and we jammed on it at like I want to say 2019 at this festival in Paris.
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But then it took its own life in Costa Rica because it had multiple parts and you were like actually that chord progression is verse and chorus.
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And I was like, "Oh, yeah, that makes sense."
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And then the melody kind of grew and the breakdown and then the I think that that guitar part makes the chords feel like they're not just continuing, you know? >> Yeah.
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>> Or just even the way it starts, it's like what's happening? And but it's so catchy.
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It's very cool how this like thing that's put together over time, little bits here and there, but it just sounds so fluid as a song.
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>> It sounds free like it just kind of happened.
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Yeah, that's what I mean.
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But it's like all these little things that kind of like cuz you cuz you could beat the [ __ ] out of a song >> and be like, I killed it.
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[laughter] >> Why did I kill it?
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>> But it's the opposite.
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It feels like this one like became free. >> Yeah.
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>> Like it needed help to get the shell off or something.
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>> This is an example of what's happening now for the band.
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What was happening around the time of the birth of the Strokes.
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>> I was the last member.
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Well, they weren't the Strokes.
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They weren't called the Strokes yet, but they had known each other in some form, probably a few years, because I met them when I was 18.
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>> What year did you join? >> 98. September of 98.
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So, it'll be 28 years in a few months since I've met those guys. >> Congratulations. >> Which is insane. >> Insane. >> Yeah.
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I moved across the street. I went to a film school.
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I took a year off before going to college and I ran into Julian.
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We moved in together like right away.
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Did you know him from before that?
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>> I had gone to school with him when we were younger.
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He's kind of gone to school with everyone.
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He's known Nicholas since he was like five. >> I see.
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>> And Fab Nick since they were like early teenagers.
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>> And when you knew Julian the first time, did you ever talk about music together or play music together or No? >> No.
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I was I think I was 13 and he was 15.
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Felt like a big brother vibe, you know, >> with someone you want to hang out with, learn stuff from the guy who's a little older.
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like doing stuff that you don't really like what like what's that? >> Yeah.
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>> So I had it had that kind of energy and when I met him again in New York he was very advanced musically from a young age.
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I kind of like very smart with it.
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We had a similar like we both felt like we wanted to play music or be in a band.
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>> And what was going on in New York in 1998? What was the scene like? It's >> so funny.
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We always make this joke cuz we always tried to have a scene but no one wanted to play with us.
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I think we rubbed people the wrong way, but we always thought like if we can just get a few bands, we can play one place, people will come to us. Like why tour?
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When we're in New York City, like everyone comes here.
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The idea was if we hung out together at places, people would start to recognize five guys hanging out in the same place.
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It's like, who are those guys? Oh, yeah. Always hanging out. That's kind of the idea.
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And there was this place called Bar 13.
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And I guess the vibe was like a a 60s revival.
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Like also Don Hills had it where it's like people fully dressed up like the ' 60s and dancing and that's kind of like where they were girls and could we get in? We weren't 21, whatever.
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You figure out a way to get in, right, when you're not of age.
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[laughter] But that was kind of like the biggest scene that I could remember that wasn't a musical scene cuz once we started playing the musical scene was felt very different to us.
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>> Do you remember the first show? >> Yeah, Spiral Lounge. Yeah, I remember.
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Julie and I went to go see I think it's Bow Finger with Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy.
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Was like nervous for like 4 days.
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I think we had like seven people that were friends and we must have played everything at like 1,000 miles an hour.
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>> Where would you guys practice?
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>> There's a place called the music building and Madonna used to practice there.
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It's a famous building in New York where the whole building must be like 8 to 10 rooms per floor depending 12 floors all rehearsal spaces.
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You could rent like four bands would rent one and you you'd lock out hours and so it would be really inexpensive to rehearse per month, you know.
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>> Did you know any of the other bands in the building?
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>> Once again, we weren't terribly liked. >> Do you know why?
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>> We were probably, you know, kind of obnoxious or full of I think we believed highly in ourselves.
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>> Would you discuss what you were going to wear before you went out?
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It's weird to talk about it because you would talk about things, but it's not like if you see a movie about it, they like dramatize it.
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It feels like overly done.
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But for sure, I I remember I for some reason I have one memory of about to play baby Jupiter cuz I live with Julian and I was like it was something like this shirt or this one [laughter] or like and he would be like these shoes and you still kind of do it, you know, like glasses, no glasses when you hang out that much, which you can only do at that age.
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you just you're just always up in each other's [ __ ] So you you don't even need to talk about it.
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You just kind of feel it or see it.
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>> In those early days, what was the time commitment to the band? >> That is interesting.
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I mean, the time commitment mentally felt like all the time.
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That's all that's that's all I thought about. >> Mhm.
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>> We would rehearse a lot.
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I met them in '98 and our first show was in 99.
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And then 2000, maybe a little before then is when we started to have songs from Is this it?
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So it was like these year periods where we would transition and we would make little goals and we'd meet certain people.
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There was a band called the Mooney Suzuki that [snorts] we kind of looked up to like they played such a great show.
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They were such they were showman.
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were showman. The drummer had a brother who recorded so we went to him and did like an EP and we'd always try to like grow and I what was the first song I remember it was Arle's Gross where we played like snowing I think it was Soma I remember one of the shows too was last
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night and modern age we played for the first time >> before you guys wrote songs did you play covers >> no we never really played covers >> but in the early days would you just jam >> well my first memories me was I came in I met Nikolai and Julian up town. There
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There was a place called Rudy's cuz they would have free hot dogs.
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You'd get a picture of beer and free hot dogs and then we'd go to practice.
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This was my first time going there.
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I had like a fever and they had two songs I think two songs they were playing.
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They were just like showing me the parts.
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I was not equipped yet to be in a band.
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It was so so cuz I was just playing by myself.
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It's so different when you play with people. So everything's faster.
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People are waiting on you. The stress.
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>> And would you guys play quiet or would you play like stage volume?
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I imagine we learned dynamics over time.
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I think at first like anything when you're it's a nervous excitement or an energy you're just it's like full blast.
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I remember hearing or saying or someone saying or it being an energy of like until we get it better, let's not play it with all the pedals and all the sound because we'll get tired of of it and by the time we play it good, we might not like it, you know?
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So, I remember like discovering as a band those those kind of moments which are actually like really deep impactful things to know about creating music.
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Yeah, that's real progress cuz I think there's something when you're first starting just the sound of an electric instrument, there's a lot of excitement in that energy. It's fun to play loud. >> Yeah.
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Well, it kind of like can hide mistakes, >> everything. Yeah.
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>> And you got to remember, too, you're if you're playing with drums, it's almost like you have to be loud.
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Like everyone, >> it's like at a restaurant where everyone's just talking louder and louder.
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Looking back at many things about us as a band, we're pretty good at discovering things you would need to survive.
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Like it makes sense why that we survived cuz it was like little things whether it's how we communicated about life issues or musical stuff or understanding that you're only as good as you are as a band, you know?
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>> And we all liked rehearsing.
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We would go at weird hours because we weren't great at planning and so we'd go at times that we didn't pay for.
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Hence why they sometimes they'd come back from shows and they're like, "What are you doing here?"
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>> After the first show, what was the first special show? You remember? >> Yeah.
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Maybe like a year after we were playing, you just started to notice there was people there you didn't know.
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Because a big thing we would do is before we'd play, we'd run out and just try to grab people last minute too and say we were we were playing.
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But December before 2001, we were doing a residency at Mercury Lounge.
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You know, if you if you took it in for a second, you're like, "Wow, there's people there. We don't know."
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And then the last one was sold out before we went on stage.
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That moment is as big as like doing SNL.
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Might be a higher mountain, but it's still going to the top of the mountain.
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Did you guys have like a demo tape?
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>> Well, before that we had there was this place called Luna Lounge.
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Gordon, who was our first producer, he came to see another band [gasps] and this girl Carrie Black who was kind of like trying to help promote for us and some and stuff like that was trying to tell him to come see us.
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and I went and visited his studio which is where we recorded Is this it?
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And it just felt like there was a cool energy with him and when we all went there we made we made the EP which wasn't an EP.
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It wasn't, it was just we just thought we were trying to make something else to sell or do something and it became something Rough Trade put out and then Beggars the label in America and it became Modern Age Barely Legal and Last Night I think.
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>> Let's listen to a song from Matt.
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>> That was like the first recording where it was like it's like we found ourselves.
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I felt invincible like there was nothing.
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Even if you didn't like it, it was like yeah, it's fine. Like this is cool. Okay, let's see.
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Should I just play it from the top? >> Yeah. up on a hill.
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Here's where we begin this [music] little story a long time ago.
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>> [music] >> Stop to pretend. Stop pretending.
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It seems this game is simply never ending.
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In the sun, sun having fun. It's in my blood.
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I just [music] can't help it. Who wants you to say? Don't let me go.
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Let me go go go go go go.
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Leaving just in [music] time.
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Staying for a while [music] in the ocean.
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Trying to catch your eye. Say it's easy. Do it just to please me. Tomorrow is different.
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So I pretend [music] I pretend I'm [music] [music] [music] feeling now we trained [music] in the game. I wish you had a say. My vision spade.
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I'm [music] flying overseas.
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No time to feel the breeze.
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But you are many of the well in the sun.
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[music] It's in my blood. I just can't go there. Don't want to let me go.
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No, but let me go go just in time.
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Stay for a [music] while.
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Rolling in the ocean trying to catch [music] your eye.
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[music] Tomorrow is different.
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And this is why I'm leaving.
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[music] >> It almost like made me cry.
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>> You guys sound exactly the same. It's weird. I know. >> Like fully formed. >> I know.
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It's It What's crazy is you could the album version cuz we redid it.
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It's like tries to be a little more put together, but you can hear Gordon's just trying to capture like a band exploding. >> Yeah.
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It's just you feel like the push and pull we have that's just like us >> trying to find your rhythm between the guitars, bass, and drums is like uniquely our personalities. It's crazy. >> Right out of the box.
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>> Well, not totally out of the box cuz it was songs like songwise it was like much later.
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Like the earlier songs were weirdly it's like a full circle.
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You kind of like were more proggy.
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>> So the songs were more complicated before this.
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Oh yeah, they're really complicated.
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Like 6 minutes with big hearts.
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>> Was there a decision to change or did it just sort of happen?
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>> Feel like you have to.
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Everyone's going to probably have their own version of it. >> Mhm.
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>> I feel like my version might be skewed and I might get roasted for it, but like Yeah. Whatever. >> It's your experience. What do you remember?
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>> I just remember we I listened to a lot of Guide to by Voices when we came in.
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Julie and I were hanging out talking about music.
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He just absorbed a bunch of that and like did amazing things with it.
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it. I remember even doing is this it a song itself soundwise was like and even modern age the way the distortion comes in the guitar the rhythm guitar was based off a guy by voices song like eight track thing but then is this it
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kick drum was like watching the wheels go around John Lennon like which is super high fidelity right so it's like a mixture of of those things I don't know what I mean I wouldn't know you'd have to ask Julian what made him do that. But
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But that's like, yeah, I guess in in my mind there was elements of listening to different stuff, you know, or maybe he listen to something and I I wasn't around and he just like it just felt different when everyone was there, but it was like he started writing different songs.
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>> Where was this recorded? Do you remember >> this? Yeah. Avenue in Second Street.
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I remember he was in I think he had he went out to Long Island and he was playing that opening guitar riff.
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It's so funny to have these memories of certain songs.
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I remember hard to explain like he was playing the chord progression and I thought it was awesome but I didn't like fully get it.
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It was like in his head and also like cuz we our room was like a weight so he's over here like a dumbbell you know we had the kitchen in the middle and we each had our own room.
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I remember hearing him play Someday for for a while.
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He didn't record things on Addict.
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So, he's just like if he had an idea, he would just >> keep playing them. >> Yeah.
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He just thought if he had to record it, then it wasn't worth keeping, which is the opposite of how we are now. >> Yeah.
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>> How long of a period of time? Was the EP recorded? >> Oh, it was fast. That's all live.
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>> If you'd played the night before, would it have been similar to what you'd have heard at the club?
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That's sounds like how we would sound live.
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>> Yeah, >> this actually sounds incredible.
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I really had I forget Gordon his techniques to capture certain things. >> Well recorded. It >> always bum me out.
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People always just lumped us into like a lowfi thing where I just thought we sounded cool. Lowfi, hi-fi.
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>> Did people call the strokes lowfi? >> Oh man. Yeah.
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They're like, "Yeah, cool."
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But like, oh man, early on success was like sometimes a bit of a bummer cuz people would just go to a bar and they would just hate you and you're like, I don't even know you.
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And then you talk to them for two hours and they're like, you're you're a nice guy. And I was like, what? [ __ ] you.
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>> Do you [snorts] remember some of the other bands he might have been playing with at that time?
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>> [snorts] >> I have a poster where the EAS were on it and I think that was at the very end because I don't remember some of the bands from that scene I don't remember playing with.
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>> I used to cut out our our name there.
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It was like my mission cuz sometimes they would just write strokes and it would drive me crazy.
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[laughter] It was like an angry exchange.
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Maybe it's even in the book, maybe in the bathroom where someone was just like, "Yeah, they were so annoying.
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like we forgot the 'the' and I think they said that I called and was like really upset. He was like, "Who cares? Details matter." [laughter] Details.
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>> The opposite story of the Eagles where people called the Eagles the Eagles and they were like, "It's not the Eagles, it's Eagles." >> Really? >> Yes.
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>> I guess when you like have something in your heart, it's hard to I have that with my last name when it's like when they don't say Hammond Jr.
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just we don't feel like just Hammond.
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>> Yeah, >> it's just funny. I know. I don't remember those. Who did we play with?
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I mean, once we kind of like that EP happened, our first tour was with like band called Doves or the Doves?
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I think it was Doves, British band.
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Kind of never looked back.
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>> Do you remember the first time you played in the UK? >> Oh, yeah. >> What was that like?
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[laughter] >> Was that EP time? Yeah.
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I remember when Ryan was our manager then was like this guy Jeff Travis, we didn't know who Jeff Travis was, but he was >> known to people.
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He's like, "Yeah, really loves the music. Wants to put it out.
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Everyone's like wants to put it out."
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[snorts] Kind of excited, but like who is this guy? What does that mean?
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And like he wants to you guys to come over and do shows.
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And it was like I was just like ready to go and everyone was like seeing if we were being scammed.
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You know, the shows were like in rooms like like this, like flat rooms, no stages, some kind of like upstairs pubs where people 100 people were just like right in your face.
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>> Did the people there feel like they knew who you were or no? >> No.
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Just from like I don't know what it is when we're all together.
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I felt it when I first met them, but I was like, we're all together like something in the universe like moves and allows things to happen. >> Yeah.
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>> We just got like press.
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We didn't understand what press was. You know what I mean? We just got press.
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And I think just us, the way we hung out and just chatted and being ourselves, they just like ate it up.
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But it wasn't like we weren't doing anything.
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Even like, you know, they thought our names were fake. It was a whole thing.
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So, I think people were just curious and actually hearing it now.
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I if I was a kid, I' i'd want to go to that.
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I mean, I was I'm in that band, but I'm listening to it now, and I I'd be curious to know what they know or just to see them.
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>> It sounds both traditional and new at the same time. >> Yeah.
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There's like nostalgia in there.
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It sounds like dangerous but sexy.
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Like, you know, sexy is such a wrong word.
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It sounds cheesy, but it just sounds like, >> you know, if you're going to fight or kiss someone. [laughter] >> Charged. >> Charged. >> Charged.
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>> I think that's exciting.
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I mean, now I I didn't really get it then, but whatever.
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26 years later, 25 years later, it makes sense to hear that and be like, "Yeah, [ __ ] yeah."
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>> So, you record that probably in a day? >> Yeah.
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>> Thinking it's something you would sell at shows? >> That's it.
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the other thing we sold like Julian would go try to find them and and like throw them away like >> I don't understand.
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>> We recorded this other one and it was like we were going to sell it. It's so funny.
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I mean I get it cuz he wanted like it wasn't right. >> Yes.
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>> If you listen to the songs now, the other the other EP that we made, >> but if he saw it at someone's house that we went to, he would try to take it and throw it away so no one would have it.
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It's kind of it's kind of was that before this one?
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>> Yeah, before this one there was one that had a song called rhythm song in her prime and a version of trying your luck that was called this life.
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>> Should we hear one of those just as a reference of what didn't work or no?
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>> Yeah, in Her Prime is probably the closest to where we were going.
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Rhythm song was more like a Mooney Suzuki trying to like be like that 60s revival thing. I got it. Will I live this life?
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[music] I was just 17 and this house was built on mama's broken dreams.
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I put it all aside when she [music] looked me in the [singing] eye.
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The rest teachers fall what [music] they have read and give all your money to the living dead like a call girl in a pile. Arriving just in time.
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I am a [music] sentimental [singing] man.
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I try to reach the god with just one hand.
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Rejecting offers to be with you.
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[music and singing] Only does it do get you by his side.
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A new [music] way to wave goodbye. And I'm waiting my lady.
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I define them [music] what they could not perceive.
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Upon their big [music] arrival in 1803, they took them to the side and we could not wait [music] to hide them. I am a simantal man.
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I try to reach to God with just one [music] hand.
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Rejecting offers to be with you.
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Only does it to keep you by your side.
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No way [music] to say goodbye. I'm waiting. I'm a lady.
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>> [music] >> I live this life and I was just 17.
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This house [music] was built on mama broken dreams and I put [music] it all aside [singing] and she looked me in the eye.
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Was I [music] gone for too long?
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Did I say something wrong?
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>> [laughter] >> How much before the EP that came out was that?
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>> So, we were doing the songs when I joined.
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There was these few songs that we were doing.
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Then we did some others that added to the set and then this one was the beginning of something different mixed with the other two songs that were on the CP.
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That was the beginning of Trying Your Luck.
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Maybe like in that year >> slowly over time.
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I think every time we had a show we tried to have a new song or something slightly different.
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>> And in those days was there a feeling like someday we're going to make an album or was it more just we're writing songs and we'll get some shows?
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>> In my mind it was like there was dream of everything we're doing now. >> Yeah.
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It all I felt like it all existed.
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You don't know and and you don't it might not happen.
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But the feeling I had was the same feeling I I have now.
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I just there was an immense gratitude to of like knowing these guys and feeling like I had found a home with a you know at first a bunch of strangers and now like a family.
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34:23
>> Describe each of the band members.
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So much changes when you after you know people like Fab and I are so close.
34:29
Talk to him all the time.
34:33
Not that we weren't close at the beginning, but I was just like living with Julian.
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He was the first person I met and had gone to school with him.
34:40
>> And Nikolai had they were older and so like >> it was kind of like the older two, Fillian and Nikolai, and then the younger two, Nick and Fab. And I I'm in the middle. Let me see.
34:51
When I first got to the studio, Nick was he's funny but like aggressively cocky and almost like I also have to play guitar with him so there's like an intimidating factor like no one else has >> a competing instrument, right? >> Mhm.
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>> Nikolai would come down to our house all the time cuz he worked at a video store and we had this like shitty projector we would put against the wall.
35:17
We would watch movies, the three of us.
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We get stone and watch movies all the time and like talk about them.
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So that was like that bonding circle.
35:24
And Fab actually was went to school in Newalts.
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So he was the only one in college.
35:28
I remember when we had to talk him, he was like, I don't know if I can do it.
35:33
I'm close to finishing school.
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And it was like, dude, you got you got to quit school. >> Did he quit school? >> Yeah, he did.
35:40
He was like, this is happening. Like >> I'm glad he did. >> This is happening.
35:43
We all that second year, we all knew to give it a shot.
35:49
There was there's unspoken maybe when when you're young you just you're bold like that.
35:53
I don't feel as bold like that anymore or at least there's like a little more nervous energy around it.
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Then it was just like no no no we like we're going to do it which is a strange thing cuz the whole time even though we we thought we were amazing like people were like yeah you don't really fit in anywhere. our first album.
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I was like, "This is so good."
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And they're like, "Yeah, radio's not gonna play it."
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>> And so that's kind of why when we get to the point where we are now and they're like, "Radio might not play."
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It's kind of like, "Who cares?" >> Exactly. >> We've gone this far. >> Yeah.
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>> We've done all this and the whole way has been like swimming upstream. >> Yeah.
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>> I know people look at it and they're just like, "Oh, it looks like it was so easy."
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But it was always against the grain. We didn't fit anywhere. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And we're still here.
36:41
So, >> so Nick, you were a little intimidated of. >> Sure.
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>> Fab was very happy that there was someone else with curly hair. >> Uhhuh.
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>> We were like, >> I think I bonded maybe the most at first with Nikolai because he had joined almost last like me. >> I see.
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>> And like you were the new guys. >> I was Yeah.
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And so there was a there was a certain element of like I just remember like when I first saw him, he stood still with with an energy and a look that was striking.
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So, it was like you didn't need to say you don't need to say much when you're >> when you're like that.
37:16
I remember walking to that room.
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I was actually nervous cuz afterwards that was like back in the day with phones.
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Julian didn't call me and I was like maybe I didn't make the band.
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And I called once and I woke his mom up as you do when you used to have to call house phones. [laughter] >> Yeah.
37:39
But then I found out no, he was just busy doing something else and he thought I was in the band from before I went in. So I was like, "Okay." He was like, "What?" >> That's amazing.
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>> You know, when you find someone, it doesn't matter like the level they're at, you're like, "We'll figure it out."
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There's a certain vibe that fits, everything else can work itself out cuz you can be amazing guitar and if the vibe doesn't fit, you're like, "This will never work out."
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>> Nick told me a story that he remembers the first time you walking up to the first rehearsal. >> Yeah.
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and he thought, "Uh-oh, this guy looks so much cooler than any of us."
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It's like, "He's the cool one. What are we doing?"
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[laughter] That's so funny.
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There was a friend of mine in high school who I was like friends with in like fifth grade and then I rem him at 16 and once again like a Julian type personality like a slightly older brother and he looks so cool and I just kind of like mimicked him in my own way and then I started to feel like as I was doing that people responded to me differently.
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So, I was like, if I dress with where I want to be, then maybe >> I will get there cuz you you don't know how to get anywhere.
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And your ability isn't >> isn't something that you can like >> push you in any direction.
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So, I was just like, if I maybe I'll find like-minded people by looking a certain way.
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They'll be like, who's that over there? And it did work.
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I mean, I I would go to shows and sometimes people would let me backstage accidentally.
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They would think I was in the band or there's definitely an element to that. It's funny.
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I didn't feel that way about myself.
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maybe in one one's own head, you know, you have all your insecurities and stuff like that.
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And >> tell me what happens between the EP and the first album.
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What's that period of time like?
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>> Really very >> very very very short.
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We made it thinking it was going to be something we sell. >> Mhm.
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>> It turned into like a release.
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At first, like I was saying, people were confused because it was like, "Wow, it's not really, you know, like it's not Can you release that? Is that good enough?
39:38
Like he wants to release it. They England's fast.
39:43
They release it in January.
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We go and play some shows and things start, you know, we start, we open up for Dove, Guy Voices, and things start to like go faster and faster.
39:54
American record labels are are looking at We do south southwest and then it's starting to build up and it's like we have to record the record before we do more shows.
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We're not going to find it.
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So by April we're already late March April we're already recording.
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>> Tell me about the experience of recording the first album. >> Where did you do it? >> Same place.
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That's the Avenue Transporter Ram.
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It's still there >> actually.
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Someone sent me a graffiti we did in the elevator that goes down.
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It's underneath the deli of >> Avenue A and Second Street. >> Cool.
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uh that corner and across the street was the bar we would hang out called 2A.
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We'd go listen to like our songs in there after after playing them.
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It was basically like our live set.
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Sometimes cheated in certain ways, but it was it was our set list that we did live.
40:44
>> And how quickly did that record get recorded? >> It was pretty fast.
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I remember like Gordon was having a nervous breakdown.
40:52
Julian being there late tweaking levels with I mean it's like it's funny when people say are you guys different when we're kind of the same it's just older.
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I don't remember if it was the end or the beginning, but my 21st birthday, April 9th, 2001, and they got all the parents together and we all went to dinner together and it was like I didn't realize how special it was till looking back like everyone's family was there. >> So cool. >> Yeah, it was so cool.
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And we were in the middle of recording our first album.
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So like the dream of what we would have told our parents was like kind of taking shape and so everyone was just kind of couldn't believe it and excited and proud probably nervous too cuz it was just like let's listen to something from the first album you can pick.
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What song do you think would be good representative of this time? >> Hard to explain.
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[music] [music] to make it you see I'm never so please pretend to be [music] nice so I can be me the last take the next train you see it's hard to explain I was just thinking hearing that I feel like part of us being a band is actually even as like life gets hard and has its own things is feels like we still have our best songs yet to write if anything we're like unlocking new things we couldn't do.
45:52
They weren't our strengths in our youth.
45:54
We had a different strength which was cool.
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Has a certain energy revive that we were going somewhere.
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And now like when I hear the last two records we did, the ones with you, which is we sound so much like us, but so not like that, but it still to me sounds like us almost like even before we we made this.
46:16
So it's like a weird full circle.
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And I still I can see everyone's like energy and creativity and it really just it doesn't feel done. >> Just the opposite. >> Yeah, I know.
46:29
And that's why I love and I'm curious to see as we age where we can go with that cuz there's an element of aging where like takes away some of that energy that's in the first one.
46:37
But but I'm just curious how we'll replace that with what kind of music and what will that mean for our shows and the possibility is really exciting. >> Yeah.
46:50
What was the reaction to this first album?
46:53
>> I mean, I remember when it was done, I couldn't have felt more successful.
46:56
Like no one had heard it yet, but it was just it was everything I could have possibly wanted to be part of when I'd fallen in love with music.
47:04
When I fell in love with music, it was like I looked up to these people that were part of a fabric that I wanted to be part of.
47:13
>> Now, it felt like I was in a really cool way.
47:16
Like I I want I can go up to someone and be like, "Look, >> yeah, I was part of this.
47:21
>> I'm part of this, >> you know."
47:22
But going back to how was it perceived?
47:24
I think it was well I think it was we got a lot of press which was cool and then we got a lot of hatred because >> because like who do you think you are and I was like I don't I don't really think I'm anyone.
47:37
I >> I didn't write this stuff. >> Yeah.
47:41
>> They made it sound like I was writing the articles myself, you know, >> right?
47:44
So the press was on the good side. >> Yeah.
47:47
The press was good, but I'm just saying they would they were so excited.
47:51
I think it was a combination of the music's really cool and a combination of we were young, we're all good-looking, we look cool.
47:57
It's just like you >> looked like a group, >> right?
48:00
You just like once again early on people really just wanted to hang out and get [ __ ] up with us, which was fun, but it was kind of it was kind of funny.
48:09
It was like that element of it excited them so much that they would write stuff that was just a little felt over the top.
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49:48
So, first album comes out.
49:48
Do you remember touring for the first album? >> Oh, yeah. Great touring. >> Tell me about that. All summer.
49:54
The record came out in Australia first.
49:58
Already cool and interesting.
49:58
Also crazy cuz Fab broke his hand then and couldn't come to Australia. >> What' you do?
50:08
>> We got a a friend of our manager who then became Fab's drum tech.
50:10
Matt, came and played for like 6 weeks.
50:11
And it was it was stressful.
50:15
>> Yeah, it's really stressful and and sad and I imagine for family it's must have been hard too. >> Yeah.
50:22
>> How'd you break his hand?
50:24
[snorts] >> It was so silly.
50:27
We were touring with Moldy Peaches and Adam Green dressed up as Peter Pan.
50:31
British people are just in, you know, bars are intense.
50:34
I wasn't there, but someone said something.
50:37
He jokes about it now cuz he was like maybe they were just like saying that he was dressed like Peter Pan which he was.
50:42
So I think someone was like why are you dressed as Peter Pan and Fab was like don't talk to him like that and he went to hit him and and he punched a wall and broke his hand. It was funny.
50:52
We have video we made this movie called in transit and there's a video where it's he broke this bone here by the pinky and he's looking at it.
51:01
He's like yeah I don't think it's that bad.
51:02
Thinking it might heal and it's like a ball. Wow. >> Yeah.
51:07
So, where did you tour first when the album came out? >> I guess Australia.
51:11
I mean, it was incredible.
51:13
It was also terrifying because all they spoke about were all the bugs that could like bite you.
51:18
This is But what they didn't tell us is that a hotel on the 40th floor doesn't have redback spiders in the toilet.
51:25
But I couldn't go to the bathroom there for like 2 weeks cuz I just kept getting scared that a bug was going to bite my balls.
51:36
checking my bed every night.
51:36
And it's like it's so different touring there when you first go because they put you in these like mini apartments.
51:41
Julie and I would share a a room.
51:44
It felt like being at home. Really?
51:46
It was like the same same thing. And then we did America.
51:51
Our album came out in America on 9/11. >> Really? >> Yeah. On vinyl.
51:55
There's actually I have the Village Voice that has from the week later.
52:00
It has the front covers of the two buildings exploded on fire and then the the music cover inside has a picture of our faces smiling and I framed them side by side because it was like you couldn't have >> that's wild. >> Yeah.
52:15
And so that first part of that tour it was strange a strange time to exist in but playing music was always a safe place for us you know even that I think we went and rehearsed that night >> you in New York when 911 happened. >> Yeah. Yeah.
52:28
I saw it fall from the roof of my building. >> Yeah, it was crazy.
52:32
Walking the streets was also scary.
52:37
You heard like a bell or any kind of alarm, you know, everyone would slowly start running.
52:43
>> And it's the day the album came out. >> Yeah.
52:45
The album came out on vinyl. It came out on 911. Yeah.
52:47
And then on on CD, it was I think the 25th of September. >> Yeah.
52:52
I totally forgot about that.
52:52
It might have been like a bad omen.
52:56
[snorts] >> But we had that even with the new abnormal co happened. >> Yeah.
53:02
>> It's kind of like we always make jokes like be careful what we name the recording up like everything's fine. >> Yeah. So 9/11 happens.
53:10
You guys were in New York and then you tour the US. >> Yeah.
53:17
We did SNL like January of 22 which >> the first album.
53:21
most bands doesn't happen on the first album.
53:24
>> Yeah, SNL has been like a very cool home for us. I grew up watching that. So, I love playing it.
53:30
It's It's maybe one of the most intense things to play for such like a like when you get off it really feels like you did drugs like >> cuz it's live and everybody watches. >> Yeah.
53:41
And it's so intense and it's 3 minutes.
53:43
So, like a show that intensity dies down by the end. So, it's different.
53:47
This is like you're on all of a sudden you're off and so like you're high. You're high as a kite.
53:53
Like if they had a camera in there, the bands would just be pacing in a circle and then when you get off, you're just like can't stop talking.
53:59
Writing the second album, how was that different than writing the first album? >> It's funny.
54:06
I I feel bad that I didn't I wasn't aware or at least in my mind, I don't remember being as aware or I didn't want to think about it.
54:13
I know that Julian felt pressure.
54:19
Or at least I think he did.
54:21
>> It's common that second album thing. >> Yeah.
54:23
I didn't know how to sit in that space.
54:24
It's You know what's funny with that though, looking at it from a different angle is how upset people got about certain parts of the second record and then how over time people are upset that we don't sound like the second record.
54:38
[laughter] So it becomes like you see the cycle >> makes you think you shouldn't listen to them. >> I mean Yeah. Yeah.
54:43
The second one was so fun to make.
54:47
Again, it was fast and like the one thing I remember is the label making you feel like if we don't put this out soon, like people are going to forget about you.
54:54
And that's probably not true.
54:57
>> How much time was there between the first and second album?
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>> We're on the road for like 2 years.
55:00
I think it came out 2001 September.
55:01
I think the second one came out in 2003.
55:06
There wasn't a lot of time.
55:06
I mean, in Julian's lyrics of that, it's just like, you know, basically don't no one's giving me time.
55:13
What would be a good representative song for the second album?
55:18
>> Probably Reptilia is probably like It's funny because that's such a big song at festivals and like you would think it was like a song that would have done well on radio and I don't think any of these songs were really on radio. >> Yeah. Let's hear Ripia.
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[music] >> [music] >> Heat up here.
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I know you're not boring.
56:24
I was afraid that you would not insist.
56:29
You [music] sound so sleepy.
56:29
Just take this and leave me.
56:32
I said please don't slow me down.
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[music] >> [music] >> Heat. Heat.
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>> [music] [music] >> Yeah. [music] Sh.
58:47
[music] [music] Take it over. You're no longer alive. I shouting fast enough. So funny.
59:10
time gives you that perspective of like people would always talk about either our sound or Julian's vocals and kind of like in saying something negative about it blow off the songwriting or like the bigger picture, right?
59:25
It was just like, "Well, you're cool, but you're lowfi."
59:28
Or like, "Yeah, it's great, but his vocals are distorted."
59:30
Just like now, like, "Yeah, cool new song, but it's got a vocoder on it."
59:35
And it's like, >> and then as time goes, it gets a bigger life than it did.
59:41
>> What do you remember about when this came out?
59:43
>> There it was just a lot of a lot of darkness, a lot of like >> within the band or outside of the band towards the band. >> Yeah.
59:51
No, we were super excited about it and like it's the beginning.
59:54
It was really kind of the beginning of success.
59:58
It was more just like feeling the I think when you're younger, you don't you know, you take all the praise and you're like, "Oh, cool. Great."
1:00:04
And then when the praise goes away, you're like, "Oh, no."
1:00:08
[sighs] However much you take it in, it's going to affect you the other way.
1:00:13
So, it's kind of like you have to be okay with it yourself and everything else doesn't really matter.
1:00:19
But that was the beginning of in the public space, you know, doing interviews and having to answer questions of like whatever they might ask you, how does it feel to not be as as good or like showing some like negative points. You're like, huh?
1:00:34
You didn't know how to like answer some of that.
1:00:37
And we were doing as many, you know, like the you'd go to Europe and you'd have two press days and it'd be like 9 to5 or 10 to six like press all day.
1:00:49
They wouldn't fit in lunch and then you're dealing with that kind of energy. It's dark.
1:00:57
>> How were the shows starting for the second album?
1:01:00
>> We always like connected to the fans, you know, the shows were always growing.
1:01:06
So it would be like Bowery Ballroom size places and Is it going into smaller theaters and then smaller theaters into like bigger theaters like in New York I think it's got some big songs of ours in there like still big songs live in a festival setting too which is funny.
1:01:24
It's like a record that press wise had the opposite.
1:01:27
It was the constant like oh so you made the same thing twice and I was like don't really think we made the it doesn't feel like the same thing twice but Maybe in the small window of time it did, but in the bigger span of stuff it doesn't feel that way to me at least.
1:01:46
>> We tooured all over the US. >> Toured everywhere.
1:01:47
I think we went straight from finishing that record straight to Japan.
1:01:54
>> How different was playing in Japan than everywhere else? >> Very different.
1:01:57
They'll really watch you and then cheer and then be silent waiting to see what you're going to say or do.
1:02:05
And so that was just very strange the first time we had that.
1:02:07
It was like [gasps] >> why did everyone get so quiet?
1:02:11
Like you almost like want the chitter chatter so you're you're not you're used to it. >> Yeah.
1:02:16
You don't you don't it doesn't feel like the spotlight has come back on you, you know, too soon. Like >> Yeah.
1:02:20
Well, so one changes, you know, like uh we just did warm-up shows for Coachella and the Warfield, it's like 3,000.
1:02:29
It was like too felt too small and like the bigger room felt more comfortable to me.
1:02:33
And I think if as a kid the bigger room was just like nauseatingly too big.
1:02:38
I remember on Room Fire we did Bill Graham and it was like this is I think it's 8,500.
1:02:43
I was like this is too big.
1:02:46
>> You felt like you couldn't fill it with your sound. >> Yeah.
1:02:48
>> Yeah. or like just like I always I always compare it to like leaning on the audience or the audience leaning on you and like there's a balance where you want to like give in sometimes and they'll push forward and you push back
1:02:59
>> but it feels weird when you're standing there and you're just like oh they're going to crush me >> which kind of makes sense like why would you just evolution standing in front of a bunch of people is probably a negative thing. >> Yeah. It feels unnatural >> Yeah.
1:03:12
It feels unnatural >> like I'm going to die. >> Yeah.
1:03:14
[laughter] You know, that's not why we're that's not what's going to happen on stage, but it's definitely like it must be some element of it. >> Yeah.
1:03:20
Just genetically you feel >> Yeah. Don't get out. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:03:25
>> Like I feel the waves of nerves and I try to like not have them like grab me or change me.
1:03:31
I I I I understand like I don't know what Tai Chi like the thing that you like you move and you like let things go by you and so like you know I'm really nervous.
1:03:46
I I I see it and I try to just like let it go past and stay loose a lot of what I use in life or like what I have to do comes up in an intense form before going on stage. >> Yeah.
1:03:59
Once you're on stage, do you forget everything and be in the moment? >> It's not natural.
1:04:03
Like the second Coachella, I understood the audience more and like how it was going to be.
1:04:11
And I like chose to remember the guys I'm with on stage cuz sometimes it's so big and you're taking in so much it's hard to slow it down.
1:04:18
So my my practice is always like slowing it down, being in the moment, not thinking what the next song is, and then once I finish a song, not worrying about what I did wrong the other one, like it's done.
1:04:28
I can get better without whipping myself, you know?
1:04:33
I don't need to like punish myself for three songs cuz I made a mistake.
1:04:37
Are you trying to connect with the audience or you trying to connect with the other band members when you're on stage?
1:04:42
>> It's hard at that distance to know if you're going to connect with an audience.
1:04:46
you can feel it more at your show.
1:04:49
I feel like if you get into the songs and you play for yourselves, that will channel to people very strongly and whatever they give back doesn't matter.
1:05:00
And sometimes it's awesome and they give back and you feel it and you're like, "Oh my god, I'm like, okay, that's too much."
1:05:06
So then and then you get so riled up you can like >> could be too much.
1:05:09
>> You you could have a broken leg and just dance on it, you know, like cuz the energy that's coming back. >> Yeah. Adrenaline takes over.
1:05:14
But also like you got to be careful.
1:05:16
It's like >> if you're in a bad mood, it'll turn into like >> get into a fight.
1:05:22
You've seen people fight on stage.
1:05:23
That's like the adrenaline went the wrong way. [laughter] >> Yeah.
1:05:28
>> Pushed the wrong thing.
1:05:29
>> After show each night, do you feel like either that was a good show or a bad show or you don't think about that? >> I do for sure.
1:05:36
>> What's the feeling like after a show? What do you think about?
1:05:40
>> It's funny cuz the show is just what's in between your ears, right?
1:05:41
Cuz you have your own monitor.
1:05:43
So it's like it could have been the best show.
1:05:45
for the audience and you didn't feel it.
1:05:48
>> Did you hear the audience at all or no?
1:05:49
When they cheered >> pretty sealed from it.
1:05:50
I remember taking off my ears once and being like, "Oh my god, they're so loud." They were singing along.
1:05:57
But in my world, it was just like it was like just plugging your ears. >> Yeah.
1:06:01
>> Which is a bit of a bummer, but it also it makes a more precise touring not have monitors like that.
1:06:07
The consistency of your band. >> Sure. Yeah.
1:06:12
And every venue you go to is almost the same because of >> because of how well you can dial it in.
1:06:18
No, I think about it for sure.
1:06:21
I'm pushing myself to like I take lessons and I'm just trying to get better than who I was.
1:06:26
So, I push myself with different things or certain songs are harder and I didn't get to play it or even even if I can play it, but I didn't get to perform it like I want to.
1:06:37
I want to like >> I want to entertain and perform the song in a way that's like is more magical than just I know the parts. >> Yeah.
1:06:46
>> Then I just try to hold that for something else to I feel like it's important to have stuff that you still have to work on.
1:06:53
It's like if that just ended you might just die.
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1:08:38
Do you ever think about I don't want to play this part cuz it's too hard and I won't be able to play it live or do you never think about that?
1:08:46
>> I try not to not play it because it's too hard unless there's like something where it's like there's like a balance in that.
1:08:52
I think everything I play in the studio I pushed myself where like I don't really want to play that live cuz it's like slightly above my ability.
1:09:01
Like even on this on this new album I I did some stuff that was like pushing myself, you know.
1:09:06
myself, you know. Well, which reminded me when I was listening to this, I had a guitar teacher then named JP Bowersoft who also taught Julian and like was a big part of those first two records and like being a guru to to us and even to
1:09:21
him as a songwriter and giving like um when you have a guitar teacher who's like really good, they they can kind of like show you options you might not be thinking, you know, different directions or of genres that don't normally cross. When
1:09:33
When you're listening on stage and playing, what are you keying into to play to? Is it drums? Is it Nick's guitar? Is it the vocals?
1:09:46
God, I mean, a little bit a little bit of everything.
1:09:50
I would say drums for the foundation, the back beat.
1:09:54
I would say Nikolai and Nick to see how I'm fitting in.
1:09:59
Maybe those two the least cuz I trust that they're moving in their direction that I know. >> Yeah.
1:10:08
>> And then >> Julian that's kind of like sometimes the emotional driver.
1:10:12
But though Fab can be too when he certain songs where when he digs into it and I feel it, I'm just like, >> "Oh, okay. We're going there. Let's go."
1:10:22
And I know that he's said the same thing about me.
1:10:23
Like I will come up to the drums and I'm not even thinking about it and he'll like feel it.
1:10:26
I don't even know if that's musical or it was just like pacing on stage and also like just being in sync.
1:10:35
So, it's like you might feel an intensity and then someone isn't and you just go for it and maybe they come along, maybe they don't.
1:10:42
But then when you don't know, if you pay attention, it kind of guides you and it it gives you something good for the mind not to wander about stuff that doesn't matter in that moment.
1:10:53
If you're playing the same song in rehearsal or in the studio or on stage, how is it different?
1:11:03
>> For instance, I just had them.
1:11:03
So, like there's an emotion that changes who you are.
1:11:07
And that's what I mean by like you try to like let nerves go through so you can be yourself the whole time cuz it's very easy to like lose yourself in your mind over thinking. So, practice.
1:11:16
You can get there, not have played the songs.
1:11:20
You don't care if you're going to make a mistake. You're not thinking. No one's watching you.
1:11:24
You're just casually doing stuff and you somehow nail it.
1:11:26
Or maybe the mistakes you have, you don't really think about it.
1:11:31
Sometimes you do cuz they're your friends and you're like, "Oh, was that embarrassing that I just [ __ ] that up?"
1:11:38
>> But it's not, it doesn't linger so much.
1:11:41
In the studio, same thing.
1:11:43
It depends like if you're in the room or not.
1:11:45
It adds it adds to it in a good way.
1:11:48
I feel like it's just like or if you're like having recorded the song and it's the 10th time and your mistake is the reason why it's not moving forward, you know, you can feel people's energy in the band or if it's someone else like you root for everyone cuz when it's someone else who's going having a hard time, you feel the weight and then stage is like the crowd dynamic.
1:12:13
It it really only matters if you feel like close as a band. Mhm.
1:12:17
>> The energy is like [ __ ] you through the crowd and it feels good.
1:12:20
But if you feel like you're being torn apart as a band, it almost like makes you sad.
1:12:25
It's being in a band's like your whole life. >> Yeah. >> It's your identity.
1:12:31
And so like it almost feels like you're crumbling [snorts] like you're dying.
1:12:37
>> What happened between the second album and the third album?
1:12:41
There was this success of having our management got an office and our management was kind of like us cuz he was only managing us.
1:12:47
So we had like a headquarters and then in the music building we got like the mezzanine floor so we had our own we had the rehearsal space slash oh we'll record in here.
1:12:57
>> Everybody's living in New York still.
1:12:59
>> Everyone's living in New York still.
1:12:59
And so there was like this element, it kind of fell apart in the different producers and what we were what we were doing, but there was this element of like we could have more time and that the home base and where we recorded is where we rehearsed, which made for some awesome music stuff, but it was also from my side, it was just it was a heavy time.
1:13:22
Just a lot of excess and like uh >> just you or everybody? >> I don't know.
1:13:29
Maybe everyone maybe mine was just more I had the who am I in the band? What am I doing?
1:13:35
Almost like I had lived too long or gotten away with too much with like a natural thing and not like a practice thing. So I felt behind.
1:13:48
>> A band is like it's a loving place, but it's also like everyone sees your strengths and weaknesses and you can't really hide from them.
1:13:55
And so it's it's tough and you can almost kind of permanently stay in certain age groups around each other because it's that family dynamic, right? >> Yeah.
1:14:04
Did you feel like the people around you were getting better and you weren't?
1:14:08
Is that what you described? >> Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
1:14:10
And my choosing to kind of like party over focusing on getting better.
1:14:16
Going back, I would handle that whole time differently.
1:14:18
I guess that was the that's the one where I'd be like, "Oh, I would I would do it really differently."
1:14:23
like and then the rehearsing and recording was the first process where you had more time >> I think.
1:14:31
>> I think. So that's that's what I remember and it was started off with like >> I think Julian's idea if I remember correctly was like have Gordon we would do things slowly and we'd build a home base kind of like a garden that we could tend to and make songs and like and like
1:14:48
grow from a foundation like having your own studio is just different right you start to know the room >> it's cool >> all and spaces always take no matter it's not money you could have all the money in the world set it up and it has got nothing it just needs time. There's
1:14:59
There's there's like black magic in recording spaces.
1:15:05
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[music] >> [music] [music] >> What do you remember about recording that album?
1:19:27
I guess I picked that song because there's like it's it's perfect description of trying to grow in different directions where it's like hard and you can feel the tension of something not being natural but a song wanting to go >> like trying to challenge yourselves. >> Yeah.
1:19:45
You know, I feel like Julian wanting to go in different directions and then kind of trying to find yourself in spaces that's outside of your comfort zone or like >> and I feel like that there's something in that song that you can feel that tension. It's >> it's exciting.
1:20:01
It's exciting to look back on.
1:20:03
And funny enough, I was thinking on this whole thing touring this album was was amazing.
1:20:08
Even though we ended up taking a big break afterwards, it was like we got to a point where we were going and doing a set of like 23 songs and even if it wasn't the best show, it was like it was a great show. We were on fire.
1:20:24
Looking back, I wish I knew how young and awesome we actually were. >> Yeah.
1:20:29
And venues were similar size to what you play. >> They grew at the end.
1:20:32
They were they were going to start.
1:20:34
No, this is where it really this is where it really changed.
1:20:37
Had we continued, we probably would have been in arenas at the second half of touring this album or the starting of the next one had we not given it so much time.
1:20:46
But it was like no, it would have been 5 10,000 people, different places.
1:20:52
We were playing cities we'd never been to.
1:20:55
And like >> Would you say that the live show had a life of its own outside of the records? >> Yeah.
1:21:03
The band kept getting bigger regardless of how an album was perceived. >> Totally. Which is funny.
1:21:07
And now our managers, it manages Fish, Dave Matthews, Chris Stapleton, and us. Yeah.
1:21:15
As a live band, we keep growing.
1:21:17
>> And then why the decision for the break?
1:21:20
>> Well, it was never like a talk about it.
1:21:22
I think some of us might have thought we were doing other shows.
1:21:29
I feel like it's my fault, but I didn't mean it that way.
1:21:30
I put out I put out a solo record.
1:21:32
I never thought I'd play shows. I didn't want to.
1:21:34
And I somehow ended up playing shows.
1:21:37
I don't know how everyone views it.
1:21:40
There's a whole journey I took that I wish I was able to express to myself and then within the band and not alone, but such is life.
1:21:52
>> What's the nature of a band? >> Yeah. No, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:21:55
I'm trying to be more I think I would sit with that and like be more angry at myself and now I'm just like well yeah you never know like maybe we you wouldn't be here you know you'd be doing something else or needed it or like >> yeah and sometimes doing a solo project makes you coming back to the band that much more interesting in the band you grow as an artist.
1:22:16
>> There was some growth in that.
1:22:16
I almost did need to like experience completing certain things to know how to bring other stuff to the band.
1:22:22
Did you feel that there was negativity from the band for you doing the solo thing? >> I don't know.
1:22:29
I I I can't tell if it's just me or if it feels like I instead of using my time to like get better to bring more to the band, I I did solo stuff.
1:22:39
>> That doesn't sound bad.
1:22:42
[laughter] >> Well, look, we finished that in 2007 and then it was also like a whole drug thing for me.
1:22:48
So, but then we there was a big pause because I went to rehab.
1:22:54
>> You were the only one. Everybody else was good.
1:22:56
Everyone stopped in their own way. I was the only one.
1:22:58
I was just like destructive with it or like this band never functioned well on any substances.
1:23:06
People think we're [ __ ] up or hear songs and like modern age like oh you guys do heroin. It's like no way.
1:23:11
But we were like thinking and like practicing a lot and like you know sometimes you might have a drink towards the end but it was mostly all the recordings are all pretty sober >> even at times where you did a lot of stuff it was were not a band that functions well [ __ ] up >> during that time.
1:23:30
Do you feel like the band grew more close together?
1:23:35
>> I think there was elements that grew together closer and elements that grew further apart.
1:23:39
probably like different relationships got a chance to to grow.
1:23:41
I think in a band sometimes it takes a while to like actually talk about stuff and process it or also as you get older you realize you you know sometimes these things just need time.
1:23:52
You can't just just cuz you want to talk about it doesn't mean it's going to like heal a moment you know >> and someone told me a while back that sometimes some of the healing actually happens while you're creating and playing music.
1:24:05
It's like a silent healing like you're lucky you get to speak to each other without talking but in a very deep way.
1:24:11
And I was like wow that's kind of beautiful.
1:24:13
[laughter] And so I think some of the healing took place in those next two records which I think people could hear and I think in some of the press it's just like whoa what are they doing or they're not as good cuz everyone's bringing in more stuff.
1:24:30
But some of the things in that were really cool, too.
1:24:34
And so they and they it allowed us to become what we were with you for the last two records.
1:24:41
And weirdly enough, it's so interesting to see how some people find us who are younger.
1:24:47
Like I'll meet someone, they'll be like, "Oh, I saw your shirt in Transformers the movie."
1:24:54
And I was like nine or 10.
1:24:54
And they weren't they didn't think to look up the band, but it's just subconsciously there, right?
1:24:59
You just think guy has a shirt the whole time and then you're 14 >> and someone plays something and it's like that's the record you heard or that's the first song you heard.
1:25:07
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1:25:11
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1:25:12
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1:25:16
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What's the first time someone moved out of Manhattan?
1:27:44
>> Nick moved to LA >> before the fourth album. >> Yeah.
1:27:48
>> And how did that change things?
1:27:50
>> I remember thinking I thought it was going to change things more.
1:27:51
Like now it feels totally fine.
1:27:55
Like doesn't matter where we live cuz we're just going to meet up somewhere.
1:27:58
Transitions are a weird thing in life, right?
1:28:00
It's kind of like how are you going to do it?
1:28:01
like we all lived in New York, we could just call each other and go.
1:28:04
And there's an element to that that I miss sometimes.
1:28:09
But it's it's almost like made the band feel even bigger that we live in different parts and come together.
1:28:15
>> It also probably creates more focus when you are together. >> Yeah, for sure. >> It's like it's on. >> Yeah.
1:28:23
It becomes like camp than when you're together.
1:28:26
>> So, tell me about what was different about album 4.
1:28:30
>> Well, it was like two parts, right?
1:28:30
We kind of like we did a whole version of the album with Gus who does our front of house. Felt more like stonesy. It was really cool.
1:28:41
It was just like all in the room in a rehearsal space like this.
1:28:43
So it's really live and dirty and um I think we were afraid to put it out afterwards.
1:28:51
It was like I wish it was like that.
1:28:52
I think we were trying to polish something too much.
1:28:55
It's exciting to produce and like think about sounds and get weird sounds, but I still wants to that first that first song you played wants to go back to like that, but not with those songs, just the rawness, but with different songs, right?
1:29:11
So >> that felt like we had that version and then we created this version.
1:29:15
This one we actually we did this album I guess three times cuz we went with a producer that we ended up not really getting along with and we recorded at Avatar and it felt like spent a lot of money was like there from like 11 to like 9.
1:29:30
It really felt like work. >> Yeah.
1:29:35
>> Felt like man I been more fun just you know spent all the money like going to the south of France and recording on an eight track like >> was it the first time that it felt like work? >> Yeah. >> Fourth album.
1:29:45
Yeah, Julian was on tour.
1:29:48
We were doing it, the four of us.
1:29:48
We had already had the songs, but we were recording as a band without him.
1:29:52
And I think missing I think if he was there, he he did 10 minutes of vocals and the guy said one thing and he was just like he just I think he just left and then just did vocals with Gus and then we were recorded at my studio afterwards.
1:30:09
>> Is that the first time you recorded without Julian being there?
1:30:12
Yeah, we had all the demos, so it wasn't like we didn't know the songs, but it was the first time where >> we played them together in rehearsal.
1:30:20
>> Yeah, but it was the first time his voice wasn't in there when someone was challenging us >> in a room.
1:30:24
We we'd send him stuff and stuff like that, but it just it it feels different. >> Yeah.
1:30:30
>> You know, I mean, that was like a big part when we first did with you of all being in the all being in the room, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pick which song. >> Wow.
1:30:39
I feel like I'm going to have to go for gratisfaction because it's the first time we have background vocals in the chorus. So that's kind of cool.
1:30:50
>> I barely remember she tries to recognize me with the eyes.
1:31:01
And she stands to realize that it's actually not a good thing.
1:31:08
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1:31:23
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1:31:33
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1:31:38
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1:31:53
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1:32:00
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1:32:13
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1:33:15
[music] [music] funny to have his lyrics throughout my whole life cuz he's like my friend, which is like such good lyrics that like I have memories and thoughts about stuff he said that we've never spoken about that they live in >> the same way a fan might hear it >> and create their own meaning from, you know, >> it's kind of it's kind of amazing.
1:33:55
How was this one received?
1:33:57
>> The same feeling as like the second record where it was like cuz they made it as like, oh, it's their big comeback and it's just too much weight on an album.
1:34:05
So, as your big comeback for a band that had that excitement at 21 years old, it's just going to feel flat cuz it's all over the place.
1:34:14
I think there's great songs on it.
1:34:17
There's really cool ideas and production.
1:34:21
There's a song called games in there that's like production wise really cool and a lot of things that we have thought of for a long time that just never came to but as a whole it's just all over the place.
1:34:35
>> And then do you go out and tour right away?
1:34:38
>> From the third album until now this tour we have not toured like the third album since that one.
1:34:45
So 20 years ago we did a tour like we're doing now and then this album here did like 6 months >> and what was the vibe of the festivals around then? >> It was good.
1:34:57
It was the first time we were like not lower off the bill but put in a different spot.
1:35:01
It felt different >> because I think we were they had pushed us to grow and grow and grow and then like we missed to grow up here and so we grew sideways. >> I see.
1:35:11
and went to like headline a different stage in the movie.
1:35:15
That would be like the is it over? Where are they now?
1:35:20
[laughter] >> And then what happened leading to the next album?
1:35:27
Next album is Come Down Machine. >> Yeah.
1:35:29
I mean it was pretty positive tours, great memories and South America was growing there.
1:35:35
So it was like the certain areas of the world actually in this time were maybe the biggest they'd been which is interesting how that happens.
1:35:44
I think just in some other spots mainly America and the UK they just kind of like felt like they took a dip in some in some ways but it felt positive.
1:35:55
I remember going into the fifth one it was it was going to be our last one on RCA.
1:35:58
So and that wasn't like a negative thing.
1:36:01
It was just like >> you signed Yeah.
1:36:03
It's just like, oh wow, the thing we signed that I never thought of again after we signed it is now coming to an end.
1:36:10
Like a lot of people think the album cover is like a negative thing cuz we did like we put RCA up there, but it wasn't negative at all.
1:36:19
The photos being like our first album but like blacked out just I think it was more like we couldn't get everyone together to do photos for something and it felt like a funny way to end a cycle. You know what I mean?
1:36:32
I was shocked when Julian didn't want to.
1:36:34
I I loved that he was like, "No press on this on this album." I was like, "Oh, man. That's amazing." I started to hate. >> Do you know why?
1:36:43
>> I mean, you just hate press. >> Oh, I see.
1:36:45
>> Like after a while, you're just like answering like sometimes you can have a good interview or like that's not how I meant it.
1:36:51
You try to figure out so much in life and so you just you say something one way and then you hear yourself. I don't know.
1:36:58
yourself. I don't know. just there's so many things with press and so the idea of like putting out a record and not doing any seemed exciting but then then it was like no shows and it was like oh that's a bummer because in the studio it felt really positive and also we didn't like speak about not doing it
1:37:15
>> for the fifth album where was that one recorded >> electric lady >> and good experience >> glorious like 6 weeks as you get older the fact that that's your job and you get to like go away from your respons responsibilities and go to a studio feels like, you know, it's like, ah, I got >> all you have to do is make music. >> I got to go to work and you're like, you
1:37:34
>> I got to go to work and you're like, you know, it's like, ah, it's such a, you know, you get there and you're just like playing with your friend. >> Yeah.
1:37:40
>> I know you have to make music, but at the same time, you're ordering food and watching TV.
1:37:44
It's not like it's different than like punching in 9 to5 after work.
1:37:50
>> So, what would be a good representative song on this album?
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To me, 80s comedown machine was like a jam we all just started the verse all just started doing.
1:38:01
And so there's something really special about that.
1:38:03
And it's and it's actually funny enough one of the few songs I play a lot of from our catalog.
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Like if I want to put on a song in the car from our catalog, I put on that song. Let's hear it.
1:38:55
It's not the first time I'm watching you pass me by.
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[music] I've tried too hard [music] to get back there, but you're not [music] on time.
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And you know [music] try to believe in you [music] for second time.
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You said the walls closed in but you're crawling [music] back inside. Heat. Heat. [music] [music] Heat. Heat.
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[music] Oh, [music] I tried to believe it for a second try. It's there in the safe.
1:40:48
Why don't you close the fl [music] for the night? [music] Heat. [music] Heat. [music] Oh, heat, heat. >> [music] >> Heat. Heat. [music] Heat. Heat.
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[music] >> [music] >> How would you say the and had changed at that point from the beginning to there.
1:43:16
>> I joke we're we're the exact same when I was 18.
1:43:19
We we were opening up for the Chili Peppers.
1:43:20
We were in a backstage and we were like talking and being a certain way.
1:43:25
We could have just been 18 and the five people outside of a small venue then became a stadium.
1:43:32
that the surroundings change, but it's like they just grabbed us and put us in different things and like you age, but there's a part of us as much as change, there's a part of us that are always there, which is kind of beautiful. >> Yeah.
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I think we're more aware.
1:43:50
>> Yeah. I think we're more aware. Everyone was kind of I don't know if we were trying to figure out how to get to the place that Julian had had envisioned maybe for us as a band or for the instruments of being a band with with him and maybe it didn't fully I know
1:44:12
it's always in motion so it's like you never achieve it so it always feels like there's elements of what happens next cuz there's elements of that in the next record But and even in the two that we did, there's elements that are so different and so the same and now I want to do another one because I'm like, oh, what's going to be next? Yeah. Yeah.
1:44:33
>> You know, like or like where my starting point is like >> it's like, oh, let me try again.
1:44:36
I feel like this time I I can really I can really hone it in. >> Yeah, that's great.
1:44:41
which is I I have to learn my personality has to learn how to like drink that slowly savor it cuz if not I'm just like I can just seem like let's go like what are we waiting for?
1:44:54
What's everyone what's everyone doing?
1:44:57
>> So the fifth album no touring >> touring no press.
1:45:01
>> Did you guys do anything together during that time or were you all separated? >> All separate. Almost did SNL.
1:45:04
That was that was that was it. Yeah. Almost did SNL. >> Yeah.
1:45:10
>> Be a good autobiography title. almost at SNL.
1:45:12
The story of the strokes.
1:45:14
>> So, how was the new abnormal different than the ones before it?
1:45:19
>> Well, I feel like it brought an element of us being all in the room for a certain amount of hours, right?
1:45:25
We came in and jammed from 12:00 to 1 and then you would come from like 1 to 6 and then we would stay afterwards sometimes if we had stuff to if we were almost there, we had stuff to do.
1:45:38
I don't know that that element of it was was really exciting. It was back in a studio. It was LA.
1:45:43
It was the first time we were not in New York.
1:45:46
It's pretty magical being out here.
1:45:49
Also, there was something in how we worked the five of us with you that felt like when we were younger but different, you know, like you could never go back to that, but there was an element of like you in the room allowed us to be a band.
1:46:03
your just presence allowed us to be like, "Oh, it's the five of us."
1:46:08
Then it's like the band dynamic became new and old at the same time, and that was maybe the most fun part about it. >> Cool. >> Yeah.
1:46:18
What would be a good song representative of the album? >> Oh, wow.
1:46:22
Representative of the album.
1:46:26
>> Eternal Summer was the first time we did where you were like, record long time playing one part and we'll we'll get a piece that feels right for both parts.
1:46:34
And I feel like that was >> new >> new and also it started to grow and grow where like started jamming more and songs were even taking shape through jams and like Julian would find many different vocals and then you guys would figure that out later.
1:46:50
>> So I don't know feels like a it feels so different. Yeah.
1:46:57
[music] I never [music] when I think of you. It's always on my mind.
1:47:33
[music] This is the truth. No [music] day. Don't you dream reality.
1:47:54
See, I love that feeling.
1:47:59
Nobody's going to [music] stop right now. [music] Star.
1:48:13
[music] [music] I can't [music] believe it. This is the 11th hour. Psychedelic.
1:48:34
[music] Life is such a funny journey.
1:48:37
I can believe your sus is no longer needed.
1:48:41
[music] It's just like make believe.
1:48:46
They got [music] the remedy.
1:48:50
Well, they won't let it happen.
1:48:56
[music] They got the remedy.
1:49:01
They won't let it happen.
1:49:04
>> [music] [music] [music] >> Now that you [music] Need a friendly face. Ain't that true?
1:49:40
[music] But no one's not afraid. Don't expect the truth.
1:49:51
This is a [music] fantasy.
1:49:56
I've had that feeling too.
1:50:02
But nobody's going to stop us now.
1:50:05
[music] I s [music] [music] [music] the sun I will find [music] away to the future.
1:50:42
It's just so [music] I can't believe it.
1:50:49
Life is such [music] a funny journey. Psychic.
1:50:57
This is [music] 11 is no longer needed.
1:51:02
It's just like make believe. They got the remedy day.
1:51:13
They won't let [music] it happen.
1:51:19
They got [music] the remedy.
1:51:25
[music] Everybody's [music] on the T.
1:51:35
Tell me, [music] are you on the T? Everybody's on the T.
1:51:45
[music] Tell me, are you on the T [music] [music] Heat. [music] [music] Heat.
1:52:33
>> [crying] >> It's going to be See, I feel like that's what they wanted in 2011.
1:52:59
>> [laughter] >> But once again, like looking back on stuff, it's always it's nice to have it all >> for sure.
1:53:07
When it came out, what happened?
1:53:12
>> Well, co was happening, but it was like it's big. A whole new generation.
1:53:16
I mean, it gives me goodness.
1:53:18
A whole new generation of people found us.
1:53:19
We could have we could literally go out and probably play.
1:53:24
It's only nine nine songs on the album, but six to eight songs on it.
1:53:29
And we'd get cheers as loud or louder than old songs because they didn't know it.
1:53:33
There's a whole generation who came that was like the first album.
1:53:36
They were like, "Oh, look at this new band." >> Amazing. >> Yeah. I mean, surreal for me.
1:53:44
We just did when we did ACL, we ended the show with the adults are talking and like this video on I think Strokes Instagram or mine where they're singing along so loud you can't even hear Julian.
1:53:57
>> It's got a lot of words. It's fast. >> Yeah.
1:53:58
And it's just like >> not an easy sing along.
1:54:00
>> No, it's not it's not a sing along at all.
1:54:02
[laughter] [gasps] >> I'm so isolated in my world.
1:54:04
I didn't like feel it or hear it.
1:54:06
But when you watch it afterwards, it's it's really moving and cool.
1:54:11
>> During co obviously there were no shows. >> Yeah.
1:54:13
What were the first shows that you were able to play?
1:54:16
>> SNL bring bringing it all back to SNL.
1:54:21
>> That was the first >> Same as always or good experience, bad experience. >> Maybe the best. >> Oh, great. >> It was really cool. We we know Colin Jo.
1:54:30
He was there with Lauren Michaels. >> Mhm.
1:54:33
>> Lauren was watching and saying like, "Oh, wow.
1:54:35
This band's been around for like he just he put two two together and was like, "Oh, it's been 20 years.
1:54:41
This is their fifth album. They're coming here. Like that's cool.
1:54:44
He he made it sound like it was like a moving moment.
1:54:49
Like he just like realized we had been in the fabric of that thing for a long time.
1:54:53
>> And also New York band, New York show.
1:54:55
>> It's just like it's >> it kind of fits hand in hand in hand.
1:55:00
And then afterwards, I think we got to do some a small run maybe like it was like Miami and LA and then Peru and but then we got to open up for the Chili Peppers and stadiums. >> Wow. How was that?
1:55:15
>> It was fantastic cuz it was like it was just a great bill.
1:55:18
It really gave us a chance to like see what rooms like that would feel like and see them afterwards and see like the work they put into making their show.
1:55:28
And it's just it just inspires you for the next and there's like a thing cuz you you record them and you record us.
1:55:36
So there's kind of like a friendly animosity.
1:55:42
I like you [laughter] now.
1:55:45
I'm so happy you're here.
1:55:45
No, I mean it's it's I'm kidding. It's it's awesome.
1:55:49
That's just like, you know, it's a in a good way.
1:55:50
You kind of like familial. >> Yeah.
1:55:55
It's like it's like siblings. >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:55:57
Well, you think dad likes you?
1:55:59
Well, he [laughter] likes us, [gasps] >> right? Reality awaits.
1:56:06
>> Yeah, that was maybe the most cinematic record to make in every aspect.
1:56:13
I mean, talk about if you want to live the dream of any angle, from your angle, band angle, production angle, anyone's angle.
1:56:22
You're a band and you take all this gear.
1:56:25
There's probably a million people telling you not to do it.
1:56:28
Like it's too complicated.
1:56:28
You take all this gear and you record outside on top of a hill overlooking the ocean in Costa Rica.
1:56:37
It's something about Costa Rica.
1:56:37
There was an energy there that was just fantastic.
1:56:40
I just remember the recordings, the sounds we were getting, the songs, and like I tell everyone is it's my favorite. It's my favorite album.
1:56:49
And it's made me even realize even more so >> Yeah.
1:56:52
how much more we have to give because it's so exciting and I feel like we just were tapping into it. >> Yeah.
1:57:00
>> Like it's not like we got to the end and it was like we got nothing left. >> No.
1:57:04
>> It's like we have like so many songs and jams that we did that we might never even see or find it.
1:57:08
But that's not even the point of the jam cuz like they're they're within us.
1:57:12
They'll come out in a different way. Yeah.
1:57:14
But just when you know it's there, you're like this.
1:57:15
It's like we tapped into like a oil well and like we found oil like for for your family's family.
1:57:24
>> What would [laughter] be a a good song to listen to? >> This is tough.
1:57:32
Also, this album has such a like I listen to it like a like you'd watch a play. >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:57:38
And even though you have like certain scenes in the play that you might or movie that you be like I love the scenes like it's the movie or the the whole story that takes you into different spaces, you know?
1:57:50
Like I feel >> I always listen to it as an album.
1:57:52
[music] [music] Oh, your [music] attention please.
1:58:18
I wondered if sailing pass this way was a friend that I once knew flew in from LA.
1:58:30
[singing] A lesson that I learned a long long time ago.
1:58:39
Remind me of my lonesome self [singing] and all in shadow and I count my [music] blessings then I know nobody understand I waste my [music] days way.
1:59:13
[music] You don't have [singing] love because you don't want pain.
1:59:16
Want to know you don't [singing] want pain because you don't have [music] to know you don't matter.
1:59:30
I saw you don't [singing and music] have love. Oh, no. No, you don't.
1:59:36
Cuz you just can't take the pain.
1:59:40
[music] There was a time sat there like a dog.
1:59:47
He was the one, now he's away riding the radio.
1:59:54
Get the [ __ ] [music and singing] out the way.
1:59:56
We can have all the things you want. Okay.
1:59:59
Listen to the AI tell you what to [music and singing] do today.
2:00:07
Oh, I waste my [singing and music] days away.
2:00:20
[music] I want to play my game.
2:00:25
[music] >> [music] >> You don't love [singing] cuz you don't know you don't cuz [music] you don't trust [singing] you don't trust you don't [singing] love [music] you don't is against [music] [music] [music] harmonic minor.
2:01:29
I don't want you [music] [singing] know you don't want because you don't [music and singing] trust you don't want [music] because you don't want to know you don't Oh, don't take [music] too long as a song.
2:01:56
I'm going to do it on my own.
2:01:59
Never [music] seen your feet wrong. I didn't see it.
2:02:09
[music] A reservation didn't do something. You got to go somewhere. [music] Get drunk.
2:02:22
A reservation dinner [music] for two.
2:02:35
>> [ __ ] I love that song. [music] It's so cool. >> It's so cool.
2:02:38
>> Doesn't sound like anything else. >> No.
2:02:39
>> No. And also this one was cool because it was we had a song was all one way and then when Julian was doing the singing he sent me a thing and he was like if you have any ideas and like with my guitar teacher I was like what are the different ways and we were doing certain
2:02:58
like we were doing certain things that I like like my ear just picks up on and I was like oh it fits in this song but it's so different and so I got it and I got to add my guitar at like my own speed and like dive into like >> different verses of [music] different stuff. The chorus and I feel like I'm
2:03:14
The chorus and I feel like I'm just playing. It's really intimate.
2:03:16
I'm playing to Julian's singing. Yeah.
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It's just really special to me.
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