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[music] Tetrogramm [music] Elliott was so great. He was just amazing.
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He He was like a great friend.
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I met him when I was in Buffalo Springfield.
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He was with Joanie and we wanted him to manage us and he wanted to manage us but then the group broke up and I told him you had to manage me.
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So that's how we came together and then he's just been my best friend for all those years and fantastic somebody to talk to all the time about everything.
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>> Did you talk to him every day? >> Oh yeah. Yeah.
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No, I was terrible with him.
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I always talk to him every day and I'd be yelling and screaming about [ __ ] and then you know >> he was a good listener though.
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I felt like he was able to digest that information.
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Well, >> absolutely, man. He was so great. I miss him. But I got him here. He He's with us. >> Yeah.
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Tell me about the new album.
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What was the first thing that happened that led to this new album?
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I was just kind of in Colorado and January and February of this year and I just started to feel the muse again towards the full moon and I started thinking about music and then I started to write things.
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I wrote a bunch of little notes and titles and things.
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Then it just started coming really fast and I used to wake up in the morning and write the words to the songs.
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I had a few melodies in my head and so I just started writing and I just couldn't stop and the words really were coming fast.
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So I just wrote them all down and then I went right to Shanganger, your studio in Malibu on March 1st [snorts] and I moved in there and March 1st I think was March 1st or maybe the 2nd was the full moon.
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So after writing these during the full moon I moved right into the studio and it was the full moon and we recorded I had five songs and we recorded four of them the first day. >> Wow.
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And the second day we recorded the second song and that was it. I was out of songs.
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[laughter] So, so then I started thinking uh I told the guys I said, "Well, just let me, you know, let me go to sleep and wake up and we'll see what happens and maybe I'll have another song or something and we'll figure out what to do next."
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So the next day I woke up and sitting around having a cup of coffee and I just started playing these songs.
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One song that I had written back in 1964 or 65.
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It was on the archive somewhere and I remembered it and I started playing it.
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It was called Casting Me Away from You and it was a song that I remembered rehearsing with the squires which was my first band.
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We had moved to Toronto from from Winnipeg and I was rehearsing in the lobby of a theater that my dad had set up for us.
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So, we set up our equipment in the lobby every day because the theater didn't have anything going on in it.
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So, we were in the lobby playing and that's where we played Casting Me Away from You.
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And then I did a somewhere along that time I I had a friend named Comry Smith.
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who was a guy I went to school with.
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Since I was back in Toronto, I was revisiting my old school friends.
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So, I went to his house and we recorded Casting Me Away from You Attic and it's in the archives somewhere back in the 60s.
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So, it'll be in volume one somewhere.
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>> It's incredible that these songs you wrote so long ago found their way to the new record.
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We used [music and singing] to laugh and play games together.
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We [music] found things to do in stormy [singing] weather.
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But now [music] I find you're [singing] leaving me behind.
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[music] Casting me away [singing] from you.
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I try [music and singing] to tell myself it doesn't matter.
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I can find [music] someone who treat me better.
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But now I find you're leaving [singing and music] me behind.
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Casting me away [music and singing] from you.
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You're not the [music and singing] kind of girl I dream of.
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[music] You're not the kind of girl who care.
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[singing] You're not the kind of girl I want [music and singing] for my own.
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But then I see you standing there.
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[music] I try [music] to tell myself it doesn't matter.
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[singing] I can find someone who treat me better.
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But now I [singing and music] find you're leaving me behind, [music] casting me away from you.
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[music] But now I [music and singing] find you're leaving me behind, casting me away from you.
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[music] So, I remembered that one.
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And then I remembered this other one that I was from 1963.
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So, these are the 60-year-old songs. Oh, here's a couple.
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So, yeah, it was called I'll Love You Forever, and I wrote it about my girlfriend Pam Smith.
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She was a lovely young lady who I knew in high school, and we went to different schools.
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And then we got together at this place called Falcon Lake where I was visiting in the summer and sleeping in a tent. That was cool.
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There's a picture around here somewhere of me and Jack in our tent.
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Jack Harper, the drummer in the Squires.
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Anyway, I just I remembered that song.
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And when I first left home and and we were playing in a place called Fort William, Ontario, I I was playing there in a place called the I think it was called the Fourth Dimension.
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I was playing and Oh yeah, we rent this disc jockey there. His name was Ray D.
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So radio, you know, [laughter] we were so inventive back in the 60s.
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So yeah, Ray Ray and I and and the guys went into to the radio station and recorded a song called I'll Love You Forever that I wrote for Pam, but by then I of course she was in the past.
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I'd already left Winnipeg and I was on my way to Toronto.
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Hadn't gotten to Toronto yet. So there we were.
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We recorded that one and that's in there somewhere back in the archives way back 1963 or something.
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But the version we're about to hear is from the new record. >> Yeah.
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[music] As [music] I walk beside the sea on the golden [music] sand, I can feel your love for me.
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as I hold [singing and music] your hand.
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Oh, [music] I'm so happy that I found your love.
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And I [singing] will always thank [music] the stars up above.
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[singing] >> [music] >> You're just the kind of [singing] girl that I wanted you to be.
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And I'll thank [singing] the heavens above for sending [music and singing] you to me.
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Oh, [singing] I'm so happy.
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I [singing and music] found your love and I will [music and singing] always thank the stars [music and singing] up above.
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I'll love [singing] you forever. >> And [singing] I lie. [music] And I lie.
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The way you [singing] comb your hair, [music] you're [singing] laughing. [music] You're laughing. You're laughing.
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The breeze from the tossing [music] sea is reminding [singing] me that I'll feel [singing] a [music] touch of your lips. for eternity.
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Oh, [singing] I'm so [music] happy.
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I found your love and I will always [music] [singing] thank the stars up above.
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[music] >> I'll love you [singing] forever.
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And I like [music and singing] and I the way you comb your hair, [music] your laughing [singing] eyes, your eyes. your loving eyes.
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[music] The breeze from the tossing sea is reminding me that I'll [music] feel [singing] the touch of your lips for eternity. Oh, I'm so happy.
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>> [music] >> I found your love and I [music] will always [singing] thank the stars [music] up above. The stars up above.
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The stars up [music] above.
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Your [singing] laughing eyes.
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>> [music] >> So that's where that one came from.
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So I had two more songs and that made I think seven songs total.
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But there are a lot of long songs in the first group.
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of a group of five new ones had three long songs in it for acoustic.
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They were because there was no big instrumentals or anything.
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Little harmonica or something, you know. Yeah, I had those ones.
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So there I had the seven songs.
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I recorded them and and I said that's it.
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You know, we don't we we don't need to pretend that we need more. I mean, listen to this.
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There's a lot of stuff here.
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>> What's shocking about this is I listen to the album today.
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I would have never imagined that two of the songs are from 60 years ago and the others are brand new.
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They sound like songs that have just always been in the air. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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They're all the same that way.
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They're all just a bunch of They just hang together.
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I was really lucky to have those songs and have them come along.
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And that's the way now I have to wait for a while to clear my head completely before I can do anything else cuz >> Yeah.
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>> But that won't take long.
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They're starting this other songs are starting to come now.
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So, >> does it happen that way where you're not thinking about writing songs and all of a sudden it just happens? >> Yeah.
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If I'm thinking about writing songs, nothing's going to happen.
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But if I forget about it, they'll start showing up. >> Mhm.
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And you said that you started with writing the words.
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Did you work them out on the guitar first or were you just working in your head on lyrics? >> It's hard.
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I can never figure out which comes first.
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You know, I was playing a few melodies here, just a couple of things.
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And I play a couple of chords and I got my method now is a little different.
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I use a cassette player, an old cassette player, and I I turn it on and I play a little bit into that.
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When I first start writing anything, when I first have a melody, I'll turn on the cassette player, and I'll just play it as I kind of find it.
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Then I turn the cassette off, and that's it.
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That's all I ever listen to.
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So, I'm back there where it first showed up.
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when I listen to it and then it's in my head and then pretty soon the lyrics just start coming from everywhere.
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So, >> do you think the reason you came back was because somewhere you knew that they fit with the others?
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>> Boy, I don't know, man. They just came back. >> Yeah.
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>> I just I said to the guys, I said, "Well, I don't have any right now, but maybe I will tomorrow. Maybe they'll show up."
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I wasn't thinking about old songs.
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This is the first time I've ever written an album that's got new songs and songs 60 years old that really these songs have never been heard by anybody. >> None of them have.
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So there's a few people if you're a real archives junkie, they'll get in there and they'll they'll heard these and now people that know the archives will be looking for them and they'll see them and they'll hear them and then they'll hear the way we did it with the chrome hearts and they're really like the same thing.
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Tell me about the whole archive project.
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>> Yeah, I think I started it back in the 90s somewhere back there.
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Yeah, I could look it up, but it's easier to just kind of like drift around in my head.
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I just started going like, I've got everything, but it's, you know, it's all over the place.
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I want to put this thing together and and make a thing. And see this? Those are three boxes.
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We're making the fourth one now.
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And probably going to be five or six of them. I'm not sure. Maybe five.
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I thought I'd be done at four.
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So that's why we made it like that.
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So you could have, you know, Neil Young.
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And it all spelled out and each box had my name, part of my name on it.
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And then you put the boxes together.
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If you put it on the shelf, you can see my name and that's my stuff.
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Is it songs with all of the different bands and everyone you played with from the beginning till now?
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>> Yeah, >> it's everything.
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>> Yeah, there's between 10 and 12 discs.
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At first, I was using Blu-ray discs for volume one because I wanted I >> Yeah.
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>> And then Blu-ray disappeared kind of. Nobody had Blu-ray.
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So, I went to CDs and what I It's too bad there not vinyl. That'd be ridiculous.
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That would really be a lot of boxes.
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>> So, it's 10 to 12 in each of the three. >> Yeah.
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>> So, it's between 30 and 36 CDs. >> Yeah.
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And they'll be, you know, it'll be between 46 and 50.
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And this next one, I'm not sure how this is going to work out.
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>> And is everything chronological? >> Yes.
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That's what holds it together.
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I keep it all chronological.
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Then I have no decisions to make.
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>> One less thing to think about. >> You're not kidding.
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[laughter] >> So, it's great. Yeah.
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I love doing it and it's a lot of fun.
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I really want to finish the whole thing and so it gets kind of gives me a mission, you know. >> Yeah.
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I hope that they end up being 10 boxes so that it keeps you busy for a while. >> Me, too. That would be great. I really think so.
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And there's so much stuff in it that I really love.
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There's an album in there with Booker T and the MGs.
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It's got Duck Dunn and Steve Craropper, Booker T >> and Jimmy Kelner.
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So, I got these great musicians playing with me and I just basically did all the songs that were in my head at the time.
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Some of them were classics and some of them were new.
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And so, that's one of the records. sits in there. That's one of the discs.
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There's some beautiful stuff in there.
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>> When you're working on the archive and you hear something that you recorded 30 or 50 years ago, do you remember everything or does some of them hit you like where's this from?
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>> Oh, I usually remember where they come from because they're organized in discs, you know, they're organized in periods of time and albums and so I'm just cruising along through it.
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Now, I've got everything in order in the archives.
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Even if there's no disc or there's no box, it all goes it goes right up to the last record I put out.
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And this record, we're just finishing putting it in the archives now.
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So, second song is just going in there.
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>> Do you know what album Second Song is in your catalog?
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>> No, >> it's a It's up there.
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[laughter] >> It's a lot.
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>> It's a It's quite an album. Yeah, I like that one.
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Especially today, there's, you know, so much to write about.
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I mean, look at Bruce has really gotten into the political thing and he's he's written a lot of great songs and he's really on it.
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When I'm really involved in all that stuff, but that's the last thing I want to write about. >> Yeah.
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>> I want to go somewhere else.
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I want to escape from all that.
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And Bruce covered it great.
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I mean, I have a lot of things that I write about the situation we're in because it's such an unbelievable situation how the hell we got here, but we're going to get out of it.
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We are definitely getting out of this.
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>> Tell me about Out on the Foggy Edge.
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>> Out on the Foggy Edge is the day I left the ranch.
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That was about somewhere 13 years ago or something.
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I'd been living there for many, many years, like 35 or 40 years. And it was a sad time.
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I was leaving and I just had to get out of there because things had just gone south like they do in some relationships and we had just a huge disturbance in the flow that we had.
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But we had great kids and that was nice.
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So I just decided, hey, I'm either probably going to die here and it's not going to be fun or I'm going to go somewhere else and we'll see what happens.
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I was almost 70 years old when I left 68 or something.
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>> It was your home for a long time and it really was your home. It wasn't just a house.
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It was a very particular place.
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>> I loved that place and I built it and there was an old cabin there and I built my house on top of the cabin and we just kept going and I built a recording studio.
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I bought land around there.
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I built a place for my trains to be because I love electric trains. I put them there.
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We had other houses that were part of it and the guys would come and stay in one of the houses called the White House.
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They stay in the White House and we record at the ranch and they had a nice analog situation happening there and it was a beautiful thing. I loved it. It was fantastic.
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But there just came a time it was time to leave. >> Yeah. >> You know how life is. So I I left.
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It was very difficult because I built this whole thing, everything there and then I just left it. That was a trip.
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But I had to do that to uh keep moving forward cuz I was getting stuck and mired in things that I didn't want to spend all my time in.
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>> Did you feel welcome in the new world out of your bubble?
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Well, when I left, I really didn't know where I was going.
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And I had recently met Daryl when I was doing a movie up in Canada about the oil and all of the bad stuff that was happening up there.
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And so, it's just the world and oil and and things are getting upset as far as I could tell.
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I I just wanted to write about that.
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and and I and I went up there and it's funny because I'd reached out to Daryl a long time before that because she was the only other person I knew that was into biodiesel.
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So she had biodiesel Trans Amam that she had converted that was running on alcohol and biodiesel and all some kind of combination of fuel.
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I mean, she was really a genius trying to make clean car and a cool car and and I was really into that.
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At the same time, I was trying to make my old Lincoln into an electric car so that I could use it and I used a bofuel generator in the Lincoln.
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So, I called her and we talked a little bit and then, you know, years won't go.
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And then when I was doing this film and I was traveling around in the Lincoln, I was going to just telling the story of what it's like to try to make an old electric car with a generator that runs on bio.
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And so I called her and we talked a little and she met us out there somewhere in Colorado and we tripped up to uh Canada and went up there.
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I mean, she's just really cool and and I we were really good friends, but we didn't know each other that well, but we we know each other pretty well.
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It was not like a romantic thing, but we just had such a good time and we had so much in common.
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>> So, we were just thinking about the same things and talking about them and and all of that.
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So, so when I left the ranch, I called her and I said, "Listen, I'm I'm leaving my home where I used to be and I'm coming down to LA where I used to be before that and uh do you know anywhere or is there someone could just put me up for just, you know, in a subtle way for a couple of weeks till I get my stuff together, you know?"
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She said, "Yeah, yeah, I know a funky old place that you that you could stay and it's it's pretty funky.
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It's not like a big deal."
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So, I went down there and I drove down there that day and and uh got there and and found her place, which is this funky place that she just described.
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It was a beautiful place.
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And then I just I stayed. I never left. >> Amazing. >> Yeah.
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you know, we we got to know each other and fell in love and eventually got married.
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And you know, that's that's life. It's a trip.
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You never know what's going to happen.
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>> The second song on the album's called Day by Day, and it sounds like a very personal love song.
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You say in the song, you're scared about what you're talking about in the song.
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It's in the lyrics, almost like it's too personal to talk about.
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I'm guessing if it's a new song, maybe it's about Daryl. Yeah.
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>> Day after day after day.
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This isn't [music] a fast [singing] song, so fad it up.
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>> [music] >> I want to say something that came to me in [singing] the night of day.
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Just let [music] me get a grip and let it go.
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There's nothing [music] worth waiting on, so we should go.
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[music] Day after [singing] day after day, day after [music] day after [singing] day, all through the restless night, I [singing] thought of [music] this.
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Why we were not so good and now I know there's something I want to say.
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[music and singing] Say it slow.
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I'm a little scared of it.
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So here [music and singing] it go.
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Day after [music] day after day, [music] >> day after day after [music and singing] day, the morning is sunny now with lots of [music] snow.
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>> [music] >> It's beautiful the way we love to see it.
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So I take my time to [music] tell you what I have to say.
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The feelings that I have for you will stay and stay [music] >> day after [singing] day after day, >> day after day after [music] day.
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The love [music] I feel in my heart is here today.
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Strong [music] just the way I [singing] felt for you yesterday.
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[music] There's something in my heart that shows it will always love you so.
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Day [music and singing] after day after day, >> day after day [music] after day, >> day [music] after day after day after day.
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So, let's [music] take a turn together and let it go.
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We're still the ones we used to be. And so it shows.
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[music] The way I feel so faded up and let it come free day after [music and singing] day after day, [music] day after day after [singing] day.
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>> I hope you're all right.
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[music] all right today [music] and everything is easy and going well.
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There was a struggling going on [music] yesterday.
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[music] Let's try to get a grip now and let it go.
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Day after day after day, [music] day after day after [music] day.
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Now the sun is [music] out and the snow's melting on the roof.
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I hear the water drops falling.
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So the day is [music] here.
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You'll be coming down the stairs.
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[singing and music] And I'll make a special cup for you. Yeah. The sun is out.
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Snow's melting on the roof.
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Day after day after [music] day, [music] day after [singing] day after day, day [music] [singing] after day after day, day after day, after [music] day.
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Day after day after day, day [music and singing] after day after day.
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[music] Yeah, it's a lot of words in that song.
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We're going to make a video of that next, I think. >> Nice. >> Yeah.
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No, she's she's throughout it. She's all over it.
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>> Then the next one is Earth Girl, which is another love song and really beautiful and that has like a 1920s flavor.
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>> [music] >> When the love comes through your eyes, [singing and music] like sun from the summer skies, the space between your deepest thoughts, like stars in [music and singing] the night, big stars in the night, winter winds [singing] blowing through your hair.
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In your eyes, [singing] I don't see [music] a care.
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You are the [music] light [singing] of my life.
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Like a river that flows [music] right through my heart. Earth [music] go. Earth go.
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[music] You sure were hard [music] to find all around me all the time.
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[music] Smiling [singing] in the windy rain with so much to share.
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So [music] much to share.
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You're the beauty [singing] that lingers [music] outside [singing] my eyes. When [music] you smile. When you smile. When you smile. First [music] girl. Earth girl.
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You are [singing] the light of my [music] life.
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Like a river that flows right through my heart.
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[singing and music] You were hard [singing and music] to find all around me all the time.
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[music] You're the [singing] beauty that lingers outside my heart when you smile. My eyes when you smile.
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[music] When the tears come through your eyes, like [music] rain from the winter skies, you [music] are the light of my life.
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Like a river that flows right [music] through my earth. >> Earth girl.
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[music] First girl, [music] you [singing] are the light of my life.
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[music] Like a river that flows right through my heart. >> It's weird, isn't it? >> Yeah.
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Did you ever listen to music like that?
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Like 1920s or show tunes?
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>> I listen to all music.
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Just came to me in a way.
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I just kept hearing this melody and I I could hear the melody and I could play it and then it was like two melodies at once and I'm going well wait one of them has got slow words and the other one's got a lot of words and a lot of changes but they happen on the same chords.
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So I I put the two together so you can almost hear two songs at once in there.
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That's what might be one of the most complex songs that I've ever written.
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I don't I I don't know how I did that but there it is. I love that one. >> It's a beauty.
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>> Yeah, I I really do love that song.
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>> And then was second song the second song you wrote of this group of songs?
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>> No, I don't know what it was.
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I don't know why I I called it the second song.
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[laughter] I think it's because it might have been the second song I wrote of this group.
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The first one was Foggy Edge of Time because I remember playing the piano and hearing these just two changes going back and forth and then the melody came and then the words came and everything happened. That was good.
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Out [singing] on the foggy [music] edge of time, I [music] was flying [singing] low into my prime.
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I was looking [music] [singing] back, not looking good.
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When I left my old neighborhood [singing] behind, [music] I thought [music and singing] about the early days when I [singing and music] was young and found that place.
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Three beautiful children [singing] born and raised.
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But [music] there were bumps [singing] along the way. [music] Alcohol. [singing] Alcohol. Alcohol. >> [music] >> Alcohol. [singing] Alcohol. Alcohol.
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[music and singing] >> I was heading [singing] south to my destiny.
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[music] As I closed the [singing] gate, I threw the key.
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Though the future was unsure, [music] I'd already [music] made up [singing] my mind.
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That's the [singing and music] day I started to live the way [singing and music] I wanted to, just to give my life [music] a chance.
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I [music] know [singing] now that I had to go.
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Leave everything [music and singing] I love behind.
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Out on the [singing] foggy [music] edge of time.
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Out on [music] the foggy edge of time.
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[music] Out on the foggy [music] edge of time.
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>> [music] >> out [singing] on the far edge of time.
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[music] [music] I love that song, Foggy Edge.
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But second song is like it's like in my life. This is my second song.
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>> [music] >> Out on [singing] the edge of darkness, the children waited for sunrise.
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Something [music and singing] they could be leaving, something to see with their [singing] own eyes.
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Their moms and dads [music] remember cuz they [singing] had seen a different time.
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A time of sunny mornings.
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Walking to school and saving [music] dime.
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[music] And yet the [singing] leaves [music] are falling.
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Gathered in [singing] piles to burn outside.
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[music] Somehow [singing] the smoke is gone.
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[music] Somehow the embers will decide.
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[music] That's not the way [singing] of being.
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It's not the way to [music] be now.
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[music] Too much has changed around us.
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We can bring it back somehow.
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[singing] [music] I need to talk to [music] someone.
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Someone who smiles and answers [music] back.
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someone as old [music and singing] as I am who still remembers some of [music and singing] that.
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I dream [singing and music] a way of living, a way of sharing what we find.
45:31
A way [singing] of walking slow [music] through the smoky leaves of time.
45:41
[music and singing] Across [music] town [singing] at the incubator, eggs were hatching [singing] everywhere.
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Those [music] birds would soon be flying.
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They knew [singing] that's when they feel the air.
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We [music] won't [singing] remember them cuz we're the ones who didn't care.
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[music] Now when we think [singing] of them, we hear their songs [music] sung everywhere.
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[music] >> The world needs [music and singing] all her song birds.
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She needs her music in the sky.
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>> [music] >> Guiding souls [music and singing] both in and out.
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Showing weakness [singing] how to fly.
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[music] >> Not [music and singing] like that TV show.
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I like the [music] words [singing] on channel five.
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[music] Something that makes you smile.
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[music] Something that makes you fly.
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>> [music] [music] >> Make it up [music] on another day. Maybe I don't care.
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Make it up [music and singing] on another day. Baby, I don't care.
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[music] Make it [music and singing] up on another day. Baby, I don't care.
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>> Make it up [music and singing] on another day. Baby, I don't care.
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[music] >> Definitely yearning for a simpler life. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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It's funny, you know, Rick, when I when I think of these songs and I try to think of I have a feeling, but I can't specifically remember the songs. >> Yeah.
49:37
>> I It's just a big feeling.
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And it was cool to have that.
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And in a way, it sounded like something I wrote in 1970 or something, you know, when I bought Broken Arrow Ranch in 1970 and arrived there in September.
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And I drove there with my friends Bruce Barry and Guiermo Jaketti, two of the roadies that worked with me and Johnny Barbad I think too.
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And I drove up there from the Chateau Marmmont where I was staying in LA in this old Jeepster.
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And the Jeepster is that's the car that we're in when we're driving down that road in second song. It's the same.
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And then the next video is uh Casting Me Away >> and it's the Jeepster again, but it was 20 years earlier than the first song.
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It was 1972 or something or 71 and I was cruising along and in the Jeepster and we're listening to this song Casting Me and Carrie rides by on a horse.
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Carrie Snodgrass, Zeke's mom, and she rides by on a horse and she's galloping along in front of me on the road. It's a fantastic video.
50:54
It's just they're all really personal.
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It has nothing to do with We're not trying to be cool or anything. It's just what it is. But it was fun.
51:02
It's We've great time doing these videos because I got people's videos from years ago that I'm using, but the songs are new. It's crazy.
51:10
The next song after that is Soon I Might Be Going. Tell me about that one. >> Oh yeah.
51:18
When I first played that for Daryl, she she cried.
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So I didn't want to play it for her anymore cuz I didn't like to hear didn't like to see that.
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It's a song about change.
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[music] [music] [music] [music] Soon I might [singing] be gone.
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[music] So I wanted you to know it was Christmas [music] in the rise just like summer with no [music] snow.
52:15
Crimson pirate was showing at the movies.
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A new one you should see.
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[music] Water shot like diamonds and the ships kept rolling on the sea.
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The answer to our [music] questions is lingering in the mist.
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And the revolution's [music] coming like a fighter with the fist.
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[music] >> [music] [music] [music] >> Soon I [singing] might be gone, so I wanted you to know.
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[music] Sun's sure hot today in Canada.
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Wherever [music and singing] people go, they're looking at the sky [music and singing] like they're waiting for a change.
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The clouds that used to pour the rain are billowy and strange.
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Yeah, that's the way I see it.
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And I wanted [music] just to say people like [singing] you and me are feeling different every [music] day.
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[music] >> [music] >> President was on TV [music] says everything is golden.
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He's tearing down the old White House.
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Those days were never olden.
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[music] The beers are trying to hibernate but can't find where to go.
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Cuz everything [music] is different now. Just like a TV show.
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We [music] have to take it as it comes as some are like to [music] say.
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But you know, it [singing] seems to me that's not [music] what's right today.
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[music] I miss you like tomorrow.
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>> [music] >> And I see you like today.
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I wanted to say something before I go away.
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I went to town the other day and saw what [music and singing] it's become.
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The houses [music] are all going down with hotels all around.
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[music] People are driving their new cars and the kids are leaving town.
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[music] Shop is everywhere and the club is shutting down.
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>> [music] [music] >> Soon I might be gone.
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And I wanted just to [music] say if I'm not [singing] here to see it, doesn't mean it's [music] gone away.
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I'll try to make it [music and singing] simple.
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But I tell you it's not [music] cuz here and there and everywhere the truth is getting caught [music] and disguised [singing] like a celebration waiting for [music] a song.
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But no one knows the melody.
57:29
And it feels like [music] it was strong when we all [singing] sang together [music] and the children sang along.
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[music] >> [music] >> Yes, [singing] soon I will be going, but I wanted just to stay around [music] and see what I can do.
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to sing a happy song today with you and you and everyone who feels the melody echoing in the [music] hallways and soon to be dream.
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[music] [music] [music] Come back to me, my lovely [music] girl. Your memory is mine.
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I'm walking [music] down the old street where we once had the [music] time.
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I got to tell you what I see [music] cuz I might be alone.
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The sky is turning [music] to yesterday. The old church bells.
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Soon I [singing] might [music] be going and I wanted to say [music and singing] hello.
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There's a mystery around us and the answer no one knows.
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[music] [music] It's like [music] summer in the Rockies, but it's almost Christmas [music] Day. Summer in the Rockies.
1:00:13
Almost Christmas [music] Day. Summer in the Rockies. So in the wild.
1:00:26
[music] Yeah, that's it's it's a pretty sad song, but it's but it also has some all of these songs, even though there's some sad moments in them, they have there's a lot of them that have uplifting parts of the inside it.
1:00:51
There's a good positive energy.
1:00:53
It's moving forward, you know.
1:00:57
So, that's what I like about it.
1:00:59
>> And I'll say that even if you look at your songs from your 20s, there's a lot of sad songs.
1:01:03
It's not like sad songs are a new thing for you. >> Oh, no.
1:01:07
They're all over the place. Yeah.
1:01:09
But these ones have got a certain positive vibe to them.
1:01:11
But even though they're like songs what from the 70s or 80s or whatever in a lot of ways it's the kind of songs that people apparently really remember me for because what people are writing it's like it's freaking me out to see what they're while they're reacting. It's great.
1:01:29
It's nice to to feel that uh I've touched a lot of people.
1:01:34
So you can't make a plan for all of that stuff. It just happens. >> Yeah.
1:01:39
Well, I was thankful to be here and still doing it.
1:01:44
>> Tell me about Roy Orbison.
1:01:46
>> Oh, Roy, he was amazing.
1:01:46
He was one of my favorites back in the beginning.
1:01:50
I used to go with to this record department in a hardware store in Toronto.
1:01:57
I used to go there and they had 45s and I go through and that's when I first heard Roy.
1:02:03
I'd heard something he did, Only the Lonely or something like that. Mhm. >> He was amazing.
1:02:09
So I checked out all those 45s and fantastic. >> Yeah.
1:02:16
>> Tell me about the scene in Winnipeg when you were coming up when you were first playing with Squires.
1:02:22
>> Well, I was in high school.
1:02:22
We started playing at high school dances and stuff, you know.
1:02:28
>> There's some pictures in the archives of the band back there.
1:02:30
You have an ascot and a, you know, dress as three of us. Yeah.
1:02:36
So we played high schools and community clubs and gigs like that for a couple of years and just the first time we got paid, we got 20 bucks for the whole band and for everything and that was great.
1:02:48
We felt, wow, they're paying us to do this.
1:02:50
I mean, hell, this is fantastic.
1:02:54
And then we just kept on doing it.
1:02:57
>> When you went to school, were all the kids in bands or was it kind of an unusual thing at the time?
1:03:02
>> Well, it was kind of unusual, but there were a lot of bands in Winnipeg.
1:03:06
Winnipeg is a very musical place.
1:03:06
My friend Randy Bachman, >> he had a great band that he was in with a guy called Allan Cobalt called Allan and the Silvertones and it later became the Guess Who with Burton Cummings joining the group.
1:03:24
Burton Cummings used to be in a group called the Devons before the Guess Who.
1:03:29
And oh my god, there were just so many bands. It was amazing.
1:03:33
You know, our band was we weren't a big band in town.
1:03:35
I mean, we were maybe the 10th band or something.
1:03:38
The Silvertones were probably the number one band and the Devrons were maybe three or four.
1:03:47
Rotated around following each other everywhere.
1:03:49
I played on the back of some trucks and parking lots and stuff like that. >> Yeah, that was fun. We had a good time. >> It sounds great. [laughter] >> It does. It's very lucky, man.
1:04:00
Who would you say your favorite guitar players have been?
1:04:05
And over the course of your life, if you think back from different eras, >> Hank Marvin.
1:04:09
He was from the Shadows, lead guitar player in the Shadows. Jimmy Reid. >> Yep.
1:04:16
>> My all-time favorite guitar players and harmonica players.
1:04:21
Jimmy was big influence on me.
1:04:21
I had a Seabbze record player, my mom's record player, and I had Jimmy Reid records.
1:04:30
and I come home for lunch from school and put on Jimmy Reid and listen to Jimmy Reid while I was eating lunch through the whole lunch period and then go back to school.
1:04:38
So, what I really learned was Jimmy Reid.
1:04:41
I didn't learn anything at school. >> Yeah. Worked out. >> Yeah. Worked out. Okay. Yeah.
1:04:46
What a great musician, Jimmy Reid. Oh my god. And I loved Randy.
1:04:52
Randy was a great guitar player.
1:04:56
>> I love the way he played.
1:04:56
And I actually I copied him or was influenced by him a lot.
1:05:03
I even got a guitar like his, an orange Gretch that I used in the Springfield and I had one in the Squires and I sold it and then I got it back recently. So that was a trip.
1:05:17
>> How'd you get it back?
1:05:18
>> Well, this this guy online said that he could find it.
1:05:21
He said, "Just you have if you have pictures of it, I'll be able to find it because it's a Gretch and it's made out of wood and the wood you can see you can see the the grain of the wood." >> Mhm.
1:05:35
>> There's no duplication there. They're all different. >> Yeah.
1:05:38
>> Found a picture of one that wasn't exactly mine. >> Wow.
1:05:42
>> And I got it and you know, I bought it.
1:05:46
>> And when you play it, does it feel like your guitar?
1:05:49
>> Yeah, it feels pretty cool. >> It's great. >> It's wild.
1:05:52
I I haven't used it much.
1:05:52
I I love old black so much.
1:05:55
I just keep playing Old Black.
1:05:56
But the orange Gretch is there and I got this White Falcon that I really like and uh couple of guitars, but this weird thing happened just thinking this is off the track. >> Yeah.
1:06:09
>> I was listening to a prototype for Neil Young Radio that's going to be on my website. >> Nice.
1:06:18
that plays music from my whole life from the archives, everything I have all the time.
1:06:23
And it plays it like a real radio station.
1:06:27
Whoever's listening to the radio station, that's what they hear.
1:06:30
Everybody hears the same thing. >> Yeah.
1:06:33
>> But it keeps randomly selecting songs from the 60 or 70 years, you know, and it keeps changing.
1:06:40
So the first time I listened to it, I got a link to listen to what it was going to sound like, how it was going to work.
1:06:48
And I was listening away and right away I hear this thing.
1:06:52
I've never heard it before.
1:06:53
I'm going, where did this come from?
1:06:57
And it's a song, Change Your Mind, that I put out in the 90s, I guess.
1:07:01
But I playing it I'm playing it on old black which I didn't do on the record and it sounds like an earlier recording of it and I'm listening to this.
1:07:11
I'm go, "Wow, this is a trip."
1:07:13
The instrumental was like 8 minutes and then the first verse happened and then it ended and I went, "Wait a minute, that was the last verse."
1:07:22
So, this recording started halfway through the version we were doing or something happened, I don't know, and we haven't been able to find the recording.
1:07:32
You only heard it because it was selected randomly from everything I did. >> Wow.
1:07:39
>> And we are looking and looking and looking trying to find this recording.
1:07:43
It's the coolest recording of that song I've ever heard.
1:07:45
It wasn't complete, but it was great.
1:07:49
And anyway, that was a real That's kind of a distraction.
1:07:51
I've been dealing with for the last four days.
1:07:55
>> No, that sounds great though.
1:07:55
And I love that you can have that experience even with your own songs to hear a version that's not familiar and be surprised by it and love it. >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:08:04
I kind of remember it when I hear it. Yeah.
1:08:08
I go, "Yeah, it's not like the record, but it is it sounds like it's done in the studio because I can hear Ralph and Billy singing and it's everybody singing and playing live like Crazy Horse does. But it's a studio. There's no audience.
1:08:26
Either that or it sounds great for an audience.
1:08:28
No, no audience live recording.
1:08:30
My guess is it was a studio recording.
1:08:33
So, we're looking for it.
1:08:35
We've been looking all over the place.
1:08:38
We can't find it anywhere.
1:08:41
But it's from 1993, I think.
1:08:43
Probably one of the first versions.
1:08:45
probably not done where I did the record of Change Your Mind, which is at the complex in LA.
1:08:50
Sleeps with Angels, I think, was the album.
1:08:53
It was the last album that I did with Briggs before he passed. And anyway, what a trip.
1:09:01
I'm going to find that thing. I'm looking for it.
1:09:05
>> How often would you record songs in studio and then they wouldn't come out and then maybe later you would come back to them or try it again?
1:09:13
>> Not that often, but occasionally. Mhm.
1:09:17
>> I think this was one of the first times I played it and I was just jamming, having a good time on the changes.
1:09:20
Then I did a verse and then it was over.
1:09:24
Wait, that's it's the last verse. Wait a minute.
1:09:26
Where did this song start from?
1:09:28
And then right away when I went back to listen to it, the radio had changed to a new random bunch of songs chosen from everything that I have.
1:09:41
So, we haven't been able to find it even though the computer found it.
1:09:46
>> Something about hearing music randomly, there's a really cool thing about it.
1:09:50
It's different than deciding what you're going to hear and putting it on because you really can get surprised. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. >> I love it.
1:09:59
>> You're very lucky you've been able to do this for so long. >> Yeah.
1:10:02
Tell me the first time you played with Stills. >> Stills.
1:10:05
I played with Stills in uh Fort William, Ontario in 1963.
1:10:11
At the same time I recorded I love you forever.
1:10:13
Uh Stills was playing in the club the fourth dimension where we played on Saturday afternoons that he was in the headlining band from New York called the company.
1:10:25
They played at night and so I met him and we got to know each other and we hung out and that's when it started.
1:10:34
>> How would you describe the similarities and differences in the way you guys play?
1:10:40
Well, Stephen is actually a better player. He's got a lot of chops.
1:10:43
He's got a lot of things he can do.
1:10:47
I'm kind of sloppy, but I have a a feeling, but we love each other and when we play together, it just goes a lot. It's really good.
1:10:58
So, even when the when we started the Springfield, that's we we discovered that.
1:11:02
And people at the Whiskey Agogo when they heard the Springfield for the first time, they heard it and people started showing up to to listen to the Springfield cuz we do these jams and stuff and we get crazy. It was it was fun.
1:11:20
>> Do you feel like you make each other better when you play together?
1:11:23
>> I think we make each other a light comes over us. >> Yeah.
1:11:28
>> I don't know if we're better or worse, but something happens. >> Beautiful.
1:11:31
When the Springfield was playing in clubs in LA, who would have been playing those same nights?
1:11:39
>> You know, Van Morrison and Three Dog Night.
1:11:43
>> How would you say living in Northern California and living in Southern California are different?
1:11:50
>> Well, Northern California, I was a recluse.
1:11:54
Southern California, I was all over the place.
1:11:56
And I ended up living in Malibu on Broad Beach Road in Southern California.
1:12:04
And that's where I first saw Shanganger when the band was still there.
1:12:09
And I went up there and hung out with the guys in the band and Bob was there and we were hanging out and you know, I've always loved Bob. What a great writer.
1:12:19
Such such a great writer.
1:12:21
He's like, in my impression, he's the the greatest writer of our times.
1:12:24
That's the way I look at him.
1:12:27
But we, you know, we're just out there hanging out.
1:12:30
I was trying to be cool and, you know, these guys are all great and I just hanging out, you know.
1:12:39
>> How long did you live in that house on Broad Beach? >> Maybe a year.
1:12:42
And then I moved to another house, a great house on Sea Level Drive, which is off of Broad Beach, right on the ocean.
1:12:49
And the other house was on the ocean, too. What a great place.
1:12:53
And anyway, the second place I lived, F.
1:12:55
Scott Fitzgerald used to live in it. >> Wow.
1:12:59
>> And then when I found it, Katherine Ross was living in it and that's when I bought it and she was renting it and I bought the house.
1:13:06
So I moved in there uh on Sea Level Drive and lived there for a few years.
1:13:12
Got married there to Peggy outside the house and the grounds and it was right.
1:13:19
It's such a beautiful house.
1:13:21
It was an old Cape Cod cottage covered with buganvilla plants and beautiful flowers everywhere. Fantastic.
1:13:27
And I just I just loved it so much, Rick. That was so great.
1:13:33
And then remember the Mandeville fire?
1:13:35
It burned it to the ground. So my house was gone.
1:13:38
And there weren't that many other houses in that area that burned, but that one burned. Oh, it blew my mind. >> Yeah.
1:13:46
I was playing at the forum the night that it burned. >> Really? >> Yeah.
1:13:52
>> So, did you leave the house to go to the Forum show?
1:13:56
>> Well, I never went to the house.
1:13:56
I went from in my bus right to the from my last gig to that gig to another gig.
1:14:01
But I heard, "Oh my god."
1:14:04
when I came off the stage, they said, "Well, a fire I think might have burned your house down."
1:14:11
So, I didn't go there right away.
1:14:11
But when I went in a few days after that, it was just whoa, what a mess. Everything was gone. Terrible. Wonderful house. It's a trip. >> Yeah.
1:14:25
Really, really, really something else.
1:14:30
>> I read somewhere in the past that you said everybody knows this is nowhere was your best album.
1:14:34
Do you still feel like that about that album?
1:14:40
>> You know, I really like it. It's a great album.
1:14:42
And so what I like about it is it's the first real Crazy Horse album. >> Yeah.
1:14:47
>> And you know, it showed a lot of stuff.
1:14:50
We were all so young and Danny Whitten was playing with us before he passed.
1:14:56
>> So yeah, that was a great album.
1:14:56
There's a one of a kind because it was Crazy Horse with Danny and after that it was Heroine and Danny was not the same. And then away he went.
1:15:10
It's also different than all the other Crazy Horse albums in that it's more of a studio album.
1:15:14
It seems like since then it's been more This is what we sound like live recorded. >> Yeah.
1:15:21
Even though that's the way we played that first album, too, but I didn't sing everything live. >> I see.
1:15:29
>> We started singing live after that.
1:15:29
So, we just played live and I would be singing, but we weren't recording that.
1:15:36
>> Tell me about the story of after the gold rush.
1:15:38
How did that project come to be?
1:15:42
>> That was at my new house that I bought when I first moved to Tanga and I was there and I met my wife. I met Susan.
1:15:50
She had a restaurant called The Canyon Kitchen and then we fell in love and and I had this house I just bought and she moved up and stayed in the house with me there.
1:16:02
That was a fantastic house.
1:16:02
And then I built a little studio in it.
1:16:08
And Briggs and I made after the gold rush there and we started recording and we had uh Niels was there.
1:16:17
Danny was there for parts of it.
1:16:17
He was struggling with his heroin and but he came in and out.
1:16:22
We had Niels laugh playing piano and that was cool.
1:16:25
Billy and Ralph and Danny and Nellis and I and a lot of fun.
1:16:32
That record just happened pretty fast. >> It's a good one.
1:16:38
Yeah, it's up there with those other ones.
1:16:40
>> Yeah, >> they all happen in in their own way.
1:16:40
I mean, this second song's a lot like it.
1:16:45
It's It's a similar kind of a thing, you know. >> Yeah.
1:16:50
>> After the gold rush is is after the gold rush because there's no other one. It is that one.
1:16:55
And there's a lot of variety in that record.
1:16:57
Goes from one thing to another quite a bit.
1:16:59
But second song is kind of like that, too. I don't know.
1:17:05
It's hard to say, hard to compare them.
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Those two are like 16 years apart or something.
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>> How did you know to ask Niels to play piano because he's known as a guitar player?
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>> Well, I met Niels in Washington DC at a place called the Sellar Door.
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We were playing there, me and Crazy Horse.
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It was Danny and Ralph and Billy and I playing the seller door.
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And Niels came and visited.
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He hung out with us and he was there just grooving, you know, on the music.
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He was there all the time and I knew he was a good guitar player.
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And so when I during around that time, everybody knows this is nowhere before after the gold rush.
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He said he was going to come out to LA.
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I mean, we conversed somehow and I said, "Oh, come on out. Come and see us.
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We can figure out something.
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Maybe we can do something." Mhm.
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>> came all the way out to the house from from the airport.
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I don't know how he got to the house, but he got there and I was in Tanga and Niels shows up and we're playing and it was great.
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And Danny was sometimes there and sometimes not.
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But Niels Niels played piano on that whole album. That's what he did.
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>> I don't think he had ever played piano on anything before that.
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>> Well, he he might have played, you know, he had played accordion.
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Okay, [laughter] close enough. >> Yeah, close enough. Keyboards. I liked it. Just the way he played.
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Didn't matter what instrument he played.
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>> That's interesting idea.
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The person who plays, it's less about the instrument and more how the player hears music. >> Nel is wide open.
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Nells is a great musician.
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Bruce is lucky to have Niels in his band. Bruce's band is so huge.
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It's like people disappear. That's great though. I love Bruce. >> Yeah.
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I love the way that in the studio watching you play a song on the piano and then move to the pump organ or maybe the guitar.
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It really is like you're looking for the voice of the song.
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Like you know the song in your head, >> but the instrument could be anything really. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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There was one song on one of those albums.
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I can't remember what it was, but I did it on the piano and I played it in your studio.
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>> I think it's the first song out on the Foggy Edge.
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It sounded like you were playing piano. >> Yeah.
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Yeah, that was that was me. Yeah, that was fun.
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I should have played vibes on it, too, but I I didn't put them on.
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Now, when I hear the song, I go, "Wow, I could have just a couple of notes here.
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That would have been nice." But nope.
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How is the energy different when you're playing something live in the studio versus live in front of an audience?
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>> Usually in the studio, it's one of the first times I'm playing it.
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I haven't played it live in front of people yet.
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>> I don't like to play things live in front of people that I haven't recorded.
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I like to play them first in the studio.
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That's the way to get them.
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I like to record and play.
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It's all one thing to me.
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Do you feel like the first version you get in the studio, do you think that is the definitive version of the song?
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>> Mostly maybe 85 90% of the time. >> Mhm. >> Yeah.
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The song I was thinking about that I played on the piano at Shangerlaw was Love Earth. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Love Earth.
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And I was playing piano on it. >> I love that song. >> I do too. Thanks. It's got a good vibe.
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When did you first fall in love with model trains?
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>> Well, my dad got me a model train set in 1952 or something.
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Marks set it up in my bedroom.
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Built a little table and I've been into them pretty much since then on and off.
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Some places I didn't have trains, but once I got back into it, it was great.
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I mean, I got stuff Oh, there's probably something here on my desk.
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There's a little a Rolls-Royce.
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I pick these up when I go places. I just get them.
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This in a Ford station warden Town and Country, I think.
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And this one is a This is a pencil sharpener. See this? [laughter] >> Cool.
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So, I get these wherever I go. I get these things.
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I >> Do you have a favorite car?
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>> Uh, well, I got a couple.
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I got a 47 or 48 Buick Roadmaster. That's a sedanette. It's the fastback kind.
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I've got Link Volt, you know, 59 Lincoln Continental Convertible. >> Yeah.
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>> Which is now electric. I love that one.
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And I love taking Ben Young for rides in it.
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And Zeke, and we all go for rides in Linkbolt. That's a good trip.
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>> Did one of your cars explode? >> Uh, maybe.
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Uh, [laughter] let me think.
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I don't remember it exploding.
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>> Oh, I thought one of your modified cars might have exploded.
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>> Well, it might have, but I I don't think so. >> Okay, good. >> Oh, no. That was Link Bolt. >> It exploded.
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>> One of the guys I was working with, he was charging it and he left it charging and we hadn't developed the charging system very well.
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So he left it charging and went home on and the caught on fire and the whole thing exploded and the whole house the whole warehouse it was in full of recordings and everything all burned.
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No, we saved a lot of it.
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>> I heard you say once, "My whole career is based on systematic destruction." >> Could have been. I I I I'm not sure. >> Does it sound right?
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>> Kind of, but I I don't know. I might have said that.
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I mean, I'll say anything, you know.
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Depends on how I feel at the time. >> Yeah.
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>> You have to be It's all part of the moment, you know. >> Yeah.
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[laughter] >> How would you say your relationship to music has changed over the course of your life?
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>> Well, it still drives me. I love music. It's always been there. and it comes and goes.
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Usually I I'm just figuring out that I can't do two albums that are the same because I want to shed the last one before I can start the next one.
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That's just a natural thing.
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I have to get all of that out of my head.
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There may still been some in my head when I finished the album and I go, "Well, there's other songs I could have done and stuff, but it doesn't matter.
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I just kept going and and I just wait for everything to clear and then when it clears things start happening again and that's the new direction that I'm going in and you know so there's no thinking [music] >> [music]