that album thank God it's such a beautiful joyous example of it because I know that really looking back on it there must have been times you were like damn that sample oh man oh yeah I mean just going through the process of yeah trying to correct
everything for the re-release yeah you know yeah clearing those samples was a bit much just even cataloging the samples yeah we looking at each other going what do we do why did you why did we do this why do we do this one y the
funny thing is for for the for the Apple show we want to do a skit where we went back in time and stopped ourselves from sampling like yo you already got three on this song you have add the other [Music] [Music]
12 I'm not even going to pretend gentlemen I've been waiting for this moment my entire life oh man and it's not like we don't know each other and it's not like we don't run into each other there you go it's not like we Haven had some great
moments um but just a chance to to be able to stretch out for a little bit of extended time yeah with you both peace beautiful Bittersweet thank you thank you Dave thank you Dave thank you Dave as well but thank you mas and thank you
Pa thank you appreciate thank you Zane for real man you you already know we got we got years in years yeah man you you had to get real comfortable with taking compliments early on I feel and and let me let me Define what that means um
there are compliments it's like hey great album thanks you keep it moving and then there are compliments like the one I'm going to give you that you that you've heard countless times throughout your career because of the quality of
the work that you did and The Innovation creativity and the consistency where it's like it's not a compliment it's like you changed my life moment oh man and I've seen that I've seen poor conne absorb that I've seen Beyonce absorb
that I've seen radio head run from that yeah right go the direction like don't talk to me about that but but I feel that that you are that too and I feel that you are that to us and to millions of people around the
world that um whether you meant to or realize you were or not you know you changed our lives so thank you amen it's a pleasure man thank you it's it's it's still for me kind of weird you yeah to hear to hear that you know you take it in and like
I know what it is to to to like be standing next to DMC and he's talking to me and I'm like in my head like this is DMC or right you know we've become like over the years really close like we've always knew him but we come really like
just brotherly close with Jazzy Jeff but still I'll be like that's Jazzy Jeff you know I'm like so to to have someone feel that way about me I'm just I'm M that's the beautiful thing about it I mean d said it best we we saw ourselves in Run
DMC it is I think all of us have yeah you know coming just from your neighborhood them dudes next door or them dudes that's in the park until they're on TV on stage and they superheroes yeah exactly yeah how do people grow grow like that in Statue even though they remain the same height in real life it's yeah you know and even at the Supreme height of what de la has been blessed to do you know we never was the ones we had like 60 limos just that
around 800 bodyguard like we don't we never really moved like that you know so even when people saw us and and we were blessed to have them say these things to us and it just moves move our heart but they they could get right up on us it
wasn't like someone yo I need to tell you something and someone's in the way and they got to like okay never I felt like we were just we're famous enough yeah yeah you know and approachable except around del Sol's dead where you
might get sucked in the mouth yeah those are some troubling times these par in the it's great and in comes mace with a Swift right hand we'll get to all that if we need to you know it's it I think because we got very used to seeing our our favorite
artist in superhero form and when you showed up with 3T high and Rising 35 years anniversary when now on spatial with new tracks thank you we're going to get into that death for sure but I'll never forget when that was recommended
to me by the guy the rless store in New Market in Oakland I went home put it on and suddenly I was like damn like they are just unapologetically themselves you know and and I think that was very unique at the time cuz even the way that you rapped you and Dave wrapped is like everybody was kind of pushing it out and you just kind of came was like spoke it from the heart M and I I've always wanted to ask you what prompted or inspired you to not
try to kind of keep up with The Rock hims or the cuz when Rock him wed it felt like the walls were going to fall down you guys came in on a different in a different buzz and really where that came from I mean I don't it's hard to
really pinpoint I'm being honest um what was this cool growing up and and like developing our talent and our craft when hip-hop just kind of like hit everyone one thing about being in amville like in the high school like everyone hung
around each other so I I mean like the toughest kid could be around the halfway nerdy kid and some of the music cats who was tough but they were just like into like technical stuff and you know us black kids could hang out with the white
kids they would come to our basement parties we would go to their cake parties we were just all chilling and it was everyone was willing to accept you for what you did yeah and wasn't trying to impose you know anything so I just it
kind of went like that I I feel with hip-hop it wasn't like I had to force anything and once I was trying to really develop who I was and Dave kind of felt a mesh to it but we could have homeboy who was rhyming and they was really into
the more like push it out but they didn't necessarily say that like no that's how y'all should be doing it yeah so we just you know and then we saw like likeminded people and we we knew beiz and when we could see beiz putting
comedy into such great music and still be tough there was just like on the floor D and po exactly so that that like kind of reaffirmed things or we saw Ultramagnetic saying all these big crazy words but the music was amazing that
just reaffirmed how we could move and you know love Coogi rap love him no lyrics but when it came for time for us to do it we just had to do it our way and and it just felt like really like cool like even ma like M yo man getting
to know him and him coming from Brooklyn and you know being around us and we still have fun because maybe in certain groups mace could feel like yo I got to watch my back and do like this but maybe around M and Dave and whoever like he
could feel like yo I can I can laugh and I can relax and I don't have to wash my back and it just felt like that's exactly what it was for me you know coming from some troubling times and being around some unsafe spaces yeah I
was able to really be a child I was able to really Act My Age around my friends who really just joked played with the church you know get get the chance at it yeah yeah right because it's forced upon you otherwise right it's like you you're born into an environment you do the best you can but when you choose your friends and then you get to make a decision like yeah how am I going to actually Define myself through this lens and then you
know choosing those friends sometimes that's not really friends you know you go through that thing that whole thing right there and you know um laughing and then you find out somebody don't like your laugh then you got a problem
because of that you know so all of these you know these wild Corky things that used to happen um that was pretty unsafe you know and when I finally had the click of friends that really enjoyed me laughing laughed laughed when I laughed
you know what I'm saying like something about your laugh Mak makes everybody laugh I was like yeah this is my safe space this where I need to be it's my cool friends yeah we embraced it we were able to be like yo like I said like you
know Dave God bless Dave wasn't nothing to mess with with his hands but yeah it could be at the same time but Dave mother so could SE and he knew how to sew and he would show me and we just had this thing like yo let's take our
parents' pants and SE our father's pants seed them up and then put them with the coolest kicks like we just all like egged each other on in our self like being self being yourself not being afraid to be yourself and it and you was
like safe like yeah I'm in the chess yeah I'm in the comic books yeah you know it was just really cool like to just be able to be yourself the True Legacy of what you've achieved as friends is you encourage millions of us
to just be cool within ourselves it's rewarding because you know we would never be the to a stand and be like yeah cuz that was our mission statement our mission was to make sure that people felt safe and we just kids yeah just
kids we didn't know why was a time you know there was a time I was striving to be a kid you know dealing with so much adult stuff you know yeah I was looking for that you know and I found my friends that I could be a kid with and then have
it reinforced and you know knowing from afar at one point Prince Paul who was right in our school who was a very very cleancut guy but just was amazing with on the wheels like he wasn't a troublemaker he didn't get into problems
it made me feel like yeah once again I see someone who walks who has a moral compass but when it came to Hip Hop he could stand next to the best of them so it was like stuff like that that just you know just made us once again
reaffirmed for us you could be yourself and you can still be a part of this and you can be respect for what you do we felt like we knew you and then we put the records on and we felt like we could never be anything like you and that was
the most beautiful that was the most beautiful thing about it was we were like oh we know these guys we could be like these guys and then we pressed play on 3 feet high Rising you were like that we're never going to get there no
one's ever going to get there I mean what a crazy crazy experience that album remains I mean you must have felt after you put that out and it connected in such an incredible way and you're going to have to accept that in my eyes are going to
give it water each through this conversation deeply emotional conversation for me you know in a good way um that that you were like man great who where is everyone else and and it remains like out on its own in the most
brilliant way it's like no one really showed up and tried to do that or followed in your footsteps which must have been crazy at the time you had native tongues you had your friends but all unique and individual but no one
could with de no one tried to No it's it's once we that's wild to hear it is wild facts though right facts think about it like I apart from like my definition of a bombastic Jazz thing and maybe a bit of digable here and there I
can't think of anyone else who was really trying to lean into that that mindset oh yeah I mean um it it it really transferred for us over the same way like as I explained our environment in school m once we got down pul working
on these demos but then we could meet milk and giz and and and light and they're who they are but some seeds yeah everything they're hearing we're doing they love it so like I said it's like we didn't feel like we were doing anything
wrong like yeah like people like us being who we were and it just kept going like you said from putting together putting together that album and I mean our our goal Zane was like if we hear our songs on radio we've made
it yeah that was a success yeah it wasn't literally once plug tuning hit the radio yeah it was like all right he's off the college I'm getting ready to go to the military you know we come from an era where you just wanted the respect of
your neighborhood M your fellow rappers the ones you looked up to the one that you the ones that you were coming up with it was it was dope to hear you know milk and gar love what we do yeah it was dope to hear Chuck D reach out and be
like yo these my little brothers right here you know what I mean like just we performing at STS of Sonics the first performance we ever do we at stas Sonics uh relas Rel party at Irving Plaza and DMC and is front Kan in the crowd losing
his mind yeah we won that was it yeah that's it that's it then but then that's just the start yeah we start getting these calls like so y'all got to go to Texas yeah Texas wait a minute y'all got to go to to to LA and perform at the
world on world on on Wheels and what and United Nations yeah like and then we got y you know y'all got to go overseas what do you mean overseas I mean like and that's when it begins right from there it's like it's like every single night
from that point forward for the rest of your life pretty much it's this yeah pretty much and you have no idea when you do it you had no idea what it was going to mean not at all to the world and then I can imagine in a way it's
like we have to actually learn how to do this in process like yeah it was on job training yeah yeah because we had to try to visually catch up to what people envisioned and how heard and received this record and the training ground for
us was the Nitro tour it was us Slick Rick LL Public Enemy Kane Kane NWA whoa that's like one of the most that's one of the most dynamic lineups ever and you're also talking about one after the other who's going to come
flying out on the side of stage right I mean SP Jord I'm all the ball like you know out comes LL to get down you know out comes public to like don't believe the hype it's just hype hype hype was there a moment on that tour despite the
camaraderie backstage where it it was like how do we actually be ourselves on this tour because that's a that's a heavy energy we had really no issues with that like you could have NWA who's on this side of the scale and Dayla over here and we was hanging around with NWA easy easy that we didn't know anything different like that tour was nothing but sheer camaraderie MH um we we protected one another yeah you know and this was the era of drive by
shootings yeah I was going to ask you what was it what was it like can we I've never heard these stories and these these tours are the the stuff of of Legend now we got kicked off tour yeah we got kicked off got kicked off that
tour from fighting too much you guys did yeah damn peace peace parriage was right man and it was it was like how he saying protect like yo someone's bothering Kane Kane jumps into the crowd his bodyguard jumps into the crowd we
jump into the crowd yeah we had each other's back that's pretty much what it was you know every day you know and it was um due to the fact that we were the rookies we was in general population every day so there was always something
going down yeah you know and dealing with the disrespect of different people who um don't care for your success yeah and it would could be unorthodox you know like the security in the venue yeah they' had to smack this dude because he
was so diff difficult with Dave like you you just saw him get off stage now you're just trying to embarrass him in front of the people that actually know him yeah so Dave went up to him and smacked the yeah good times yeah so you know it ain't me all the time I love how you played that role on the record that was the best thing about it I mean you know those uh that's it's real Larger than Life it happens you know I love that about
Dall Sol is dead though I love that You Came Out Swinging on the record and I and and we all all of us in New Zealand my friends and us we listen to that record we knew that there was an element of reality to that that it was like you
know what you can keep your success this is about respect and we knew that you were coming out swinging on that record and I and I I loved that um but you know just talking about the experiences of T yeah and what was happening in in those
moments you know not like we were trying to get on some some gangster or anything like that we were just those were the experiences and and it was a lot of good experiences a lot of great ones really lot a lot more fun than it
was any vience or anything like that way more fun but I you know what US it end up being inflamed because a group like us we're not supposed to fight and yeah it makes more sense if I got my ass kicked or what have you so to come out
on top in different situations it's just a little bit more inflamed where it was like wait a minute yeah these aren't the kid for the me myself and I video not at all yeah but but but that was the difference between what you did
creatively versus who you were as people and I feel like you've always been very free creatively without it necessarily like you leaned into the idea of a true creative experience rather than just being about the reality that you were in
right like that's what I love about your records is that they were hyper creative in the world that you created with Prince Paul yeah like I know you got your hands full and I know you there's so many things you want to do but it
wouldn't surprise me if one day somebody if not yourselves created an actual Broadway experience out of those first four albums it's crazy to man it's funny you say that we're actually us and Paul have been talking about that like making
an entire it tells a beautiful story about three kids from Long Island who find each other and and and somehow Through Chemistry I'm pitching you an idea you've already pitched through but but but you know what I hear on the records is you know created this world that that inspired the world but then as you grow through yourselves and even getting to this idea of what balloon mind state was which was we're discovering what it is to find holistic
energy a deeper purpose and S but then you follow that with stas high which is the most hip-hop of all the records in traditionally so it's such a great Arc the whole thing yeah now I mean it was always about that from the beginning
when we was talking about Daisy age it really meant the inner sound y'all I mean De La Soul is from the soul so it really meant about not paying attention to the external aspect of how we looked and what we present in in that in that
way but it was about the music and and the growth the growth of the individual the the books we were blessed to read having people approach us and be like hey man you remind us of this person and we didn't know who the person is and
they gave us information on them I mean I I remember like someone just losing in mind about 3 Fe rising and it was like you know what Serge gainsburg like you and we was like we really ain't really up on him and then they just flooded us
with CDs and next thing you know that his music was like throughout deaso is dead like it was just a learning experience and whatever we all learned individually we placed it in each album you know and that's what that's what that was a part of evolving you know you know this radio series that you've lovingly curated and created with us at Apple was so Greatful I mean man what an amazing thing to for the music to arrive where where music is
now M and then to be able to say hey you know what let's let's tell more stories and let's connect with some people some old friends some new friends and try to bring this the context of this to people it makes that not for you but it makes
that 20 odd years just evaporate for me as a listener I'm like man I know it's been a long road for you but for me it's like we're right where we should be so I want to talk a little bit about episode one which is coming up after
this which is a beautiful place to start with with Paul Prince Paul Queen Latifa um starting with Prince Paul this this magical kind of Beatles almost George martines type relationship you have with him yes um it's a lot of jokes with us
yeah and they and the good ones in upon on the record I'm sure the bad ones don't yo man I don't think any of them were bad no if they were they made it too the most fun experience making 3et high and Rising all those records would
poor like what was a day in the studio like when you creating cuz it feels unbridled it was uh I'm going to use the word natural it just felt natural from day one um when I actually got the opportunity to play Paul the demos we
were working on on for track it just fit it was a perfect marriage like the universe spoke loud and clear cuz when Paul and I got up with the demos it was him playing me uh the in full gear album and at that time before we were considered the skit Masters it
was all inludes you know St was known for doing really cool inludes they're funky you know kind of Corky too so I once I knew uh the cork came from Paul for sure um listening to that album then more than anything listening to what
didn't make the album and it seemed like it was like a perfect fit for what we were doing and when I played Paul our stuff cuz it was like hearing what didn't make the record and stuff that he actually produced I was like yo man I
got to play you the stuff this you know and we had maybe um tun in few different ways and the demos were there man I mean Po in my lawn we had freedom of speak we had um Daisy H which was called something uh day Game Day game um the uh P just had the the beat for um magic number MH he even had the beat that he used for the intro on Stakes as high MH yeah yeah yeah so all of that back then having that and it was a just a perfect fit when I
played it when I played it for Paul Paul was like yo he just lit up he there must have been a moment in your life together as friends where away from it all he's been able to say to you through his own words what a life-changing experience it
was just finding D soul and finding you but it was the same for us it was it was like honestly like creatively it's like yo let's get married this is a relationship that will work and last like without question and it was just
Paul was blessed to have seen for himself that hey I I come from a great great I'm I'm in this great group where certain ideas may not be able to get heard so he made sure that with us one of the biggest rules was everyone idea
gets heard everyone how else did you come up with Jennifer how B came up with that I mean dude and with magic numbers well you would like deep in your parents record in my Pop's records I saw these 45s and I just start playing them and
but no one in the in their right mind at that moment in time is hearing the that song when it starts and going like oh I know it's going to work [Music] yeah I the first time I heard this fellas I was like with the scratch just like I'm like
how the is he even going to get on this I mean it's the first play through I'm already my mind's already blown and they're like access to her code love was my the drook Jennifer oh this this version is before they
started calling them remixes right this is actually the remix to the actual 12in version that we did right right yeah this is a total different mix all together but then but then but then wait hang on where's Doan I mean at this
point I'm just like I don't know what the I'm doing with my life and then you slide back into it it is still and remains to this day one of the most brilliantly eccentric moments in in music a genre oh man thank you bro I mean weren there moments in
the studio when you finished that you looked at each other and like did you not have some sensation of what I felt the first time I heard what the are we doing this is crazy we were so happy to be in the studio yeah um lucky
luckily whatever we were doing it was accepted but we were just happy that we were just doing and and getting out these ideas yeah to take what you was dubbing over with sets or working on on a for what it was to go in the studio
and clean it up and and get everything in time you know yo they even see like the engineers just like wow like they're just kind of like happy like you know I history they're making history you're making history it was it was crazy
engine has played a lot a great roll and lot of things we were doing um yo that album I mean funny enough I I was just speaking with Sue I speak to sue Faber a lot who helped put you know engineer a lot of stuff on that s Fisher Su Fisher
I'm sorry we just had fun bob couter yo we just had so much F fun Powers Yeah making those those records and like I remember them showing us like it was this this piece of equipment called the the harmonizer yeah yeah the even even
tide the even tide harmonizer and they were we was like wait a minute so you mean you can take this album that's in this pitch and make it work with this pitch and then my mind just was blown and I was like wow so I mean I can take
this record say no go and Pitch it down to cuz you know by that point darl Hall is rhyming over that yeah you I mean he's singing over that so yo it was just our mind was just blown and we just kids in this candy store of creativity and
and we have fun like the most strict not strict but like structured thing we did is like Paul would assigned homework like so yo okay we got this y need to have the rhymes for ghetto Thing by this time blah blah blah but it left so much
time for just spontaneity yeah but he was also teaching you to take it seriously yes very much so because because man you know most people go in the studio straight out of high school in high school and they're like get the drinks in get the smoke in get you know it's like this is this is just a fun time no it it was our first introduction to the studio had nothing to do with alcohol or smoking or none of that it was literally like going to
school you know um I think what Paul was really paying attention to was making sure that we didn't spend a lot of money you know let alone we were paying for it so it was like y'all don't got y' don't want to waste your money you know you
want to have more time in the studio to do other stuff if you can you know so it was really like school and we had to go come in with our homework done yeah definitely whether he had a verse I had some scratches Dave had a verse we had
to do all of what was necessary than to do whatever else we wanted to do and everything I'm just must say everything was taken serious even the fun yeah like don't downplay the fun cuz like it'll just be us making jokes and he's like that's a great idea and then so it even got to the point like oh you got to watch what you say around Paul cuz playing around it could be it be you know you just played around on vocals and messed up a rhyme and then
he's like yo let's Loop that you know like or is his fault yeah yeah it was my fault I was just like you know come on what we going to do with this beat you know you here Barry White what what you want to do Mo and also you see his face like do that everybody that must have been the most funny to record everyone just cracking up laughing to make it sound like kind of semi-serious must have be the funniest ever it was fun and just surprisingly
awkward because like I said yo Q tip on that R I know I know I know I was like brother let me talk to you after this cuz I need to hang with you a little bit more you was confident what you well he he through the music and
life he went on to show more of that side Stu so you know he's never had a problem with uh not at all that side of confidence um you know there were two albums that came out around the same time that one in Paul's Boutique two Masterpiece records
two Masterpiece records right um both should be in the Library of Congress you know what I'm saying um thank God yours is I'd love to see Paul's Boutique in there too you know and both records to me thank goodness you got them done because
after that everything changed on a s Lev everything done done done so it was like okay we got those two we know what if everyone had just kind of fig figured out how how how to find the right compromise we know what would have been
possible going forward but we got those two and it's not to say people haven't been creative with it and I'm off for people getting paid and whatnot a lot has been talked about with the samples and we know is a huge part of what held
the music up but I want to talk about the good experiences with the samples I want to know like who did you run into after three feet high Rising came out or whatever who was like great job I love what you did George Clinton yeah yeah
only one I could really think of off the off the top oh and um Daryl Hall Daryl Hall we I didn't run into him but I heard him do it on television yeah and he actually did like a good maybe four bars of say no go yeah on top of his original composition so that was really cool but I don't I don't know of anyone else I mean even when we had the issue with um the turtles that was the big one we always heard about we that that was kind of
whack there an interlude as well it's like damn it happened and then even when you know I remember being in like a the room with their lawyer and you know so it was going to be settled but you know he was a big fan and and it was even
told to us like yo we could it was like even a choice where where we could have pay them or work with them and we being St was like but yo why you have to do all this so yo just pay them and time boy you know people was like y why don't
you just work with them we I think it's the way it came across yeah it came across kind of brash you know it was and I don't think it really was the ban that was like that it's the administration how they can put things it's also the
first time this has ever happened like this yeah yeah and the first time it ever happened but it it it almost appeared to be ultimate them right yeah so that's where we were like but stand on Integrity on how it was delivered
we'll pay them and we'll just move on I feel like I feel like that was without even realizing it with the best of intentions kind of one of probably a few watershed moments where after something like that once the system realizes what
it's worth then it's like well creativity it cost people right from now on it's it's we're not going into this from a collaborative point of view we're coming in it from a combative point of view almost and and I feel like you know that
album thank God it's such a beautiful joyous example of it because I know that really looking back on there must have been times you were like Dam that sample oh man oh yeah I mean just going through the process of yeah trying
to correct everything for the re-release yeah you know yeah clearing those samples was a bit much you know um yeah just even cataloging the samples yeah we looking at each other going what do we do why did why did we do this why do we
do this like one the funny thing is for for the for the Apple show yeah one we was trying to even we just didn't have the time but we wanted to do a skit where we went back in time and stopped ourselves from sampling like yo you already got three on this song you have ADD 12 I hate to break it to you but that that's that's some Avengers bro because then the fabric of time and space is unraveled and I'm and I'm somewhere living back in New Zealand
working accounts no disrespect to accountants but it's not what I do it's it's the opposite of my life if that album doesn't get Mar no pressure it's the opposite of my life y no man I would I don't regret any moment of it man we
we live through it we learn from it but it just hurts when somebody else is making more money off your product 100% but other than that it was uh I would I wouldn't change anything no it was so much fun man it to have that first kiss
that F first creative moment and it was just beautiful you know and it set the tone for how we approached the studio from there on out you know the finan is a is a very important point and I respect it and I think a lot gets made
about music and money and what it all means because I think people think because you've discover music and get to find an audience made music your dreams to come true it's like you should be paid for it yeah and I and I but I I'm
just going to try to put a a spin on it not not to Discount what you're saying under any circumstances but as a compliment in the face of all of that you stay consistent and you worked and you built and you here you are decades
on you remain incredibly important and relevant and working and bookable and people want you to do and how many artists have we seen got a little money early on they get they get soft they fall off does that make sense that makes a lot of
sense some didn't get money and got frustrated yeah that's true that's true to most actually yeah so you know I mean um for us it's just been a extreme blessing to even come behind people like Prince Paul watching St m you know
getting introduced to other artists that you look up to and just getting the understanding whether it's near or far of how the administration Works behind all of this cuz like we said this was all on the job training yeah and um our
actual childhood dream to become our profession I think what you got out of De La Soul was we didn't get in this to be professional celebrities I got in here to be a professional DJ J I think he got in here to be a professional MC
super MC you know and we we claim to our heart to be in the business of art yeah and making hip-hop music you know thank you no without question and we were blessed though we were blessed to on the on job moments we learned a lot through
you know our first managers uh Russell Simmons and Leo Cohen you know with Rush management and you know learning just the trick of the trades with all the groups that they they had with them and and you know just taking that moment if
you needed to to to see like yo this is how things should be done and this is how you should move and and we learned a lot man and and it's just a blessing to still be here from all those great moments that we learned from what's it
like being back in New York City given that both of you have lived in different parts of the country and and around the world you know I'm a New York boy yeah to I die but I shall never live here again yeah I can girl yeah yeah no I
mean we love we love it here man you know a lot of family but it it's it's cold here man it's cold it's definitely not the New York we remember you know I connect more and more with the fact that just getting older man so there's
certain things yeah you know just need to remain a memory you know a good memory yeah but but man you got to see New York at a time and and be in the center of the city at a time when I mean dude 80 late 80s into the early to mid
90s I feel like when you and Latifa were part of native tongues and that whole experience must just be the memories must be golden no a lot of culture yeah but a lot of danger oh yeah me but different time wasn't it wasn't the the
Disneyland for grown-ups it is kind of now you have to understand I'm originally from the Bronx he's originally from Brooklyn like I know like 42nd Street you know like real prostitutes kung fu movies like dirt that that game room that used to be right on the corner what was that uh play playground or something like that yeah like we know beef steak Charlie and all that and you know you know how it is man when you living through it yeah you
don't really know that it's dangerous you know what I'm saying until like you get older you be like yo how yeah how did my mother let me walk around the street in this alley like this you know like well cuz she said when I street
light come on you bring your ass in the house cuz that's when it's going to pop off it's no longer safe out there when streight light comes on yeah no it's it's a blessing it's you know like I said you you learn from it and funny
enough the the the joke but the truth of it that you and Jazz Jeff talk about now you you chopping yeah now I'm yeah Jeff goes well we made it cuz now we in the yard chopping firewood yeah chopping firewood yeah yeah and I'm literally
chopping firewood these days really I love to hear it man um great to hear that the Latifa showed up on episode one um you made a really poignant comment mace when you were with it was a great conversation with you and your friend
tler on his podcast a few months back uh and you said like native tongues was the era that kind was the was it sort of the best thing that never happed never happened and I and I it really resonated with me because I because when you said on
Stakes as high it's why the native tongues is officially been reinstated me and my friends ran around that day like yo there's a native tongues project this is the greatest news we've ever heard and it it wasn't that simple it
was a beautiful statement but it wasn't as simple um but I I do I I know what you mean when you said that it's like but but the influence and the inspiration that as a group of artists you had in such a short period of time yeah is insane yeah no it it it really was and um and it it is those conversations where we'll have with our fellow friends and you could be like yo imagine if we would have got it right yeah what would have happened you know
saying well you know the ones who got it right was wuang they got it right they got it right yeah yeah and our future to some degree who kept it going for a while and then before they decid to do their own thing and I feel like that is
an extension of the Native tongues and wuang philosophy to a degree just um with us it was in the other direction we already had record deals each one of us maybe except tribe you know and that was the disturbance Latifa already had a record
deal so I think had we all not had record deals and came in as native tongue might have been a group might have been you know but we were already coming from other extensions you what was it what was it like watching a young
tribe find their fate yo it was it was amazing it was amazing it was amazing it it literally is where you see the talent you it's there like it's not it I don't know if you agree but it's not like wow imagine when we just keep developing
them like yo the records that tip already had access ACC to his mind State Ali's mind State all of them like it was like yo these kids are going to be out here and I and I remember it like yesterday we was at trib's first performance um we were some place I I
don't know name of the club and I remember me and Africa just standing there we in the crowd and tip he got on all white he's and the girls are going bananas and me and me and after look at other each other and we like that's our
sex yeah yep that's how Marvin Gay right there that's how Marvin Gay right there yep ah we got it you I mean like tribe was on fire it was easy to see it was like yeah Q-tips the rock star yeah f is the B boy there's the balance right
there but I mean and then Ali being Ali you know the DJ the the glue you know yo man but I'm saying it was all there from the beginning from the beginning the magic of it all like Joby being the mystery yo yeah I mean the voice and
didn't see the face God man that was all the beauty of it and it all like we were all like in each other's session so like when you just you just go home like damn yeah so you're in a session you and they doing Footprints and you're hear to flip that Donald bird and it's like it's played me the entire album we were in LA in the high hotel right across from the House of Blues and he was like yo Merc I'm kind of scared scared away he's like
yeah I really want to play you the album and we just sat there in this room and he played the album he's looking at me I was like are you kidding me like this is even just from the point of just having like an album where the songs would he
wouldn't even start rhyming and even just the way the sample comes he go and cuts out I'm like like he used to leave these long kind of like spaces before he even did the first ver I was like yo this is just magical he's like you
really think so and he's like that to this day like he really like looks at you to try to see what you think and it's like all right God like why you need me to look at this like this is incredible you know what though you you
you inspired each other and pushed each other and I and along with some of your other peers in that environment it was a beautiful thing on a black sheep played in the cental RO in that at one point and you know I mean That's a classic
debut Alum and stuff as well out of control um but then you know when you would show up and and and do things that made everyone go whoa like I remember Long Island W and I remember hearing Japanese rappers and thinking oh my God Taj y just Yes Yes Y'all yeah we don't stop it just to me was one of those real groundbreaking moments and I can trace it back now to in a in a way like there is some credit that De La Soul deserve for actually showing
us ahead way ahead of schedule that no matter what the record label decides is coming out what territory because they want to spend or don't spend money on it all that marketing gatekeeping this music exists out here and it's dope
it does and I mean those groups were for us like inspiring to see how they move like we looked at them it's like yo this is like a Japanese Beasty Boys Like the Way sdp moved and how they performed and how they did things and Khan was already
so affiliated with Red yeah he was already a Zulu member yeah I mean like and it and and just their whole entire um professionalism and just the flow man yo their love their true genuine love for hip-hop they love hip hop and I'm just
saying like I don't really think we in making this this that skit or Groove like we was like and we gonna call Long Isen wild nah it was just like at the end I had a tape of tricky T and um like matronics performing at the red parrot
and it was just weird that he was saying he was on Long Island he's been out there that's where I'm at and they be Wilding yeah we do become wild and we just put it at the end and then that became the name of s it's such a
celebratory warning it's like cuz Long Wild long wild and it made sense because even Dave was like yeah because they GNA be like yo this is Daya and they got some Japanese kids rhyming they be bugging out it all made sense like hey
what what was where did Bitties come from what was the experience that inspired um being on the Nitro Tour on the first tour Nitro tour that I want to say we was in Chicago where where were we St Louis it was like I know it was in the Burger
King and we were just after the show we all went to pretty much everybody on the tour went to Burger King and I was being an messing with this girl uh pissing her off making my order she got so mad she threw the drink on me she
threw a spray on me and I just stood there I didn't black out or nothing I just I knew I deserved it you know what I mean but that's what spared the idea immediately like yo man these in the BK lounge they be bugging and then it became a like it it became a three Opus but see that led to like in saying that okay then that's how it was you had this pad and you write down and bur King and then it kind of modifies to all right don't just say say
Bitties in the BK lounge and then it it came together with this idea I had like I remember saying the Q-tip like yo man we was shopping for records I was like yo we should I really want to do like a an old to youfo roxan roxan where they
had the three MC's have these three different parts and I was like it could be me I have my music Dave have his music mace has his music mace cuz mace be rhyen mace a Ryme and he was like yo and then I'm I'm just finding the record
like yo this this Lou Donaldson record this this will work and so it just all this gel together man it was so much fun making that came off real bad and it's crazy that's one of those Rhymes I we just recently talk about like yo Dave
when Dave did that rhyme crazy oh my God crazy I mean the amount of times I've gone through my life reacting to people with just the adlibs from that song yeah he has another better yeah just just the just ends up getting
in your everyday vernacular it's crazy and you have no idea these little things you say in the studio end up like they become a part of our conversations like 30,000 miles way yeah cuz people be like but what do you mean it that's from the
the link record like you better think but it was like you better oh my God it's so you know and even just the humor of like mac what goes on you're like I don't know it's just like so good I mean you know but you did it it's it's still
hot it's still heavy what about what who who was who who who played squirrel squirrel squirrel that was a real person that's a real DJ um n he was um one of our role managers yeah at the time um Miguel Muno Miguel Munoz that's
our brother he had went to college with Dave and Mike yeah yeah yeah and be you know he was on the team and it just was like that that was a normal thing with de la if you're there and we need someone to fulfill an idea yo get in the
booth and you just had to just do it you know we this is so special right now I mean I I the fact that you even came to the city on the way back from meeting out with Dave Chappelle to finish off this series at AOA radio and you even
taking the time to talk with me which really just oh cut it out man no no no no no no I know the trade right like in my life I talk to great artists I'm really lucky and there's a beautiful hopefully holistic meaningful human
trade going on there where it's just like you you want to tell a story and I would love to hear it and help you facilitate that to an audience there's no trade going on here except for me I'm the winner here right I mean you know you're literally letting me nerd out story after Story and it's so gracious and sick so I'm not going to take up too much more of your time I I mean so much nury that could go into could go into this no man honestly
Zane it's it's I just can't help the continu continuously let you understand man it's like y we are have we are blessed to still be alive yes and get to the age we're at yes and to have people feel so still connected in a in an
honest way and it's not something that you know we never felt like our music was dated and have people feel the same way like yo it's it's Timeless and it and it means something the same way it it meant something to me then yeah it's
a blessing it's a true blessing to have you feel like that that's why that's why it resonates and that's why we're still here is because I feel like through it all isn't it interesting that Dallas sa has had on paper one of the most
challenging industry experiences of the Modern Age if not the most and you have the most gratitude and therefore we are drawn to that it's like a gravitational pole like a year on from we've had catalogs come out after the
fact you weren't the only one and we've had big albums come out but we're almost a year to the day the aoi radio the first episode's going to go out and you got the 35 year anniversary 3 High Rising with the spatial and the new
songs and we are not done talking about the fact this music is We have not moved on Wow you know what I mean like we haven't moved on like it's not like oh cool that's out like I listen to this all the time yo it's I have to concur with P I
got to Echo it it is truly a blessing it's a blessing to see the the younger generation embracing it just as much as they embrac the stuff that they're growing up on now you know um I'm also watching it make some significant
changes again you know for people who actually want to get into the business and these new artists that are coming up and they recently got a whiff of what we've had for so many years and they're like changing the trajectory of how they
need to make music now yes they are cuz um real change happening right now yeah there a lot of changes a lot of positive changes but that's hip hop once again it it sneaks up on us when we go through a moment of trial and tribulation yeah it
sneaks up us and do something amazing so you know I'm I'm always going to depend on our culture to do something amazing especially in our Darkest Hours yeah you know um we're all everyone will tell you that we're all your biggest fans but you
know who your biggest fans are each other without question and that's and that's that's I love that and so I wanted to I want I can't stand him he makes me sick hang did we get that did we get that we're good thanks guys thanks for coming in that was crazy it was it's all just a big gotcha I just wanted the gotcha that's all I got that's the headline we got that run it damn how'd you get that on Tik Tok so fast you know I I I wanted to I wanted
to just I wanted to ask each of you kind of where you feel each other's real s of superpower is where that strength is as a fan of what you do and and and let's talk about Dave um you know there's not really any I could say a lot about how I feel about Dave as an as an artist and and someone who inspired and continues to inspire me uh through my life you know I would love to know what made him so dope to you um well it's just a lot I could say
but if we're talking about just hip hop and okay the part that you play in what you the the position you signed up for so okay if it's an MC yo the way he spoke the way he saw things like Dave was very colorful with his
words very Vivid and it was crazy even one of the last interviews we he did I had never knew this about him like when he said when when a song when he hears music he starts seeing colors oh he has synesia yo that's crazy and and it but
it makes sense because that's to me how I've always described him like his flows and his cadences and his voice it was amazing but him as the person himself I could say in one word Dave is like defiant like he you can't he's defiant
yo you can't rush my art he'll let you know like get out of here Smiles our R man get out here Brandon I don't care we'll take three years to put out you're not going to rush my art mind you this is the one person in the group who can
hear a song and write it in like 10 minutes 15 minutes and he's in the booth but that's the part that used to frustrate me yeah yeah so I mean he's he was like that he could but he had literally like he had to feel it to do
it he had to really feel it like he I think there was maybe only three songs he written at home yeah ever ever he had to come in the studio turn it up and next you know within 20 minutes it was was written and laid like he like he
knew the rhyme forever the normal way and he could read it off the paper like like he memorized it he already memorizing yeah cuz normally it would be me fitting around if I'm the person that know like if we got a session Thursday I
don't I don't like writing in the studio my rhyme is done I come in so he sees me in there he hears me trying to get it right and now he put once I see him do this he always did this he put that one hand in his ear and he's listening to
what's going on and I'm oh boy here he go and yeah when I'm walking out pretty much be walking in like that's that's pretty much the reason why we didn't perform a lot of songs because he couldn't remember them a lot of his rhs
he couldn't remember he do it that day and move on that was it yeah and he just boil the paper be byebye he he lived for the moment yeah no without question but very defined didn't now we are not going to settle we're not doing doing it like
like Dave was like the heart like that he was the heart of it all all like that M do you was there a a moment that you created together as a group that you felt really and I know he must must have been as you were are proud of everything you created but you
just saw him like it hit him um the moment it hit when we created um when P actually I mean we had did this a while ago as well it was the found to ghetto thing and when Dave played the keyboards on it that let me know he was somewhere
else you know when we were all digging in records to trying to me and mesh things and figure out IDE he played that and he played he CU he had called it soft violins yeah right it was called Soft it was initially called Soft
violins yeah and when he played the keyboard I was like I didn't know that you know you know I didn't know that until 30 seconds and and it opened up a whole another chamber creatively where he was just at you know he was Dave was
very creative just very creative very different you know um he and I definitely had a lot of push and pull you know um I'll forever be little brother to him you know that's just what it's been but that that role as a little
brother was him being always being really protective MH you know very very protective you know and um we had to grow from that yeah that's tough that's tough when you're a member of a group and you want to stand on your own two
feet and to find your identity and you've got where one of your best Mates is like yeah hold on little I know you yeah hold on hold on baby bro yeah you yeah I'm taller than you um well five episodes of aoi radio yes sir with an incredible
lineup of think get of something new I mean I I had so much fun doing it I had a lot of fun and I'm not really trying to you know just lay it on thick or whatever but I had a lot of fun doing this why a lot of fun and like one
of the things as much as it could be like yo being able to talk to people you love um or and know and is appreciate as people yeah it's more than just being a person that can turn around and be like yeah and allows us to flex our creative
things yo just coming in here and dealing with the team here and the people we met here yeah it was fun it was like it was fun to come to work it was fun made it easy to do isn't it cool when you get to like you're used to
losing time on stage or in the studio where time stands still and next thing you know it's over and that's the beautiful Flow State that we all strive to be in but now you know that you can get that just like this like no man it
was just so much fun it was our brother Reef man we've known Reef forever shouts to Reef so I mean just to like just be around like likeminded and great people who are pushing and rooting for you and you know we show up it's it's just
nothing like it for you continue to show up we'd love you to keep showing up by the way but I you know you continue to show up the fact that the fact that you showed up Dave POS is the way the music comes out no one would have been surprised if
you needed time and we we we'll celebrate that music when we're ready you know but you showed up and you celebrated it and you and you've continued to um honor his legacy and your friendship because you you do show
like how many of people are like oh we can never go on stage again and I respect that some people can't but you have you're like nah we're going to do shows yeah we're going to play these songs we going answer your questions
gracefully I know there's times you're tired of that and it's like I'm emotional and I don't want to deal with that but but you show up and I I'm so grateful that you do like dude I've I've been a fanty Dave wouldn't have won it
no other way yeah the the family G co- oned us they they before we can even come up with whatever we couldn't even figure out what we were going to do it was everybody else coming to us going y'all got to keep going y'
have to keep going this is a dark time but y'all gotta keep going just based on because you know the catalog just being released everybody know how hard we worked to get to this point heed and how hard he worked us him being our brother
but not really him pridefully not wanting us to feel sorry and know the extent of maybe how he felt you know in terms of his health and then certain family members knowing that was like yo he worked so hard to still try to March
behind y'all to get to this Finish Line like he doesn't want you to stop yeah and like his sister like was like you know she was like no pressure but if she was like if you literally she was like no pressure she gets to play that card
yeah but she was like to play that she literally was like if you stop he stops he stops he stops you know what I'm saying we don't want you to stop it's been hard for me stepping into it I'm very emotional about it n without
question I came to him like it was like it was a scene out of Beast Street it was like rmo just passed away and I was like yo we got do this celebration we got to keep rocking for rainow and I came to him with that and that's what it was we
was like yo we got to celebrate this kid we got to keep moving being a fan and remain a fan of some shitty bands in terms of the way they carry themselves I love the music I try to separate myself and it's not easy being
a fan sometimes to somebody you know what I mean yeah oh man you make being a fan the greatest experience on the planet like you just wear it you carry yourself brilliant the music is crazy and um and continues to be you know Anonymous was
like a whole other level again so it's like you know I hope there's music yeah for sure M for sure absolutely there too much stuff rattling around A3 is definitely happening it's happening there's a lot of stuff about that it's lot lot going to happen so we can talk again even even with Paul stuff is going to happen yeah I heard you let that slip yeah I did let it slip so I just been letting it slip and slide all over the place now get slippery
that must be that must be so beautiful as well to know to know that to know no slipping out of that it must no cuz really I'm really excited to do that I can't wait ain't no manifestation it's going to happen already talk with Paul but also that
that that's a real that's a real life thing that's a thing of like Hey we're still here it's a blessing that we're still here let's not spend any time apart let's do this let's do it yeah you know cuz there magic in
that studio when you're in there it really is man and it's therapeutic honestly don't get me wrong I mean you guys made live at 87 Dugout Dugout 87 which remains one of my favorite daylight beats of all time whoa yeah I love I can't go to a mission impossible movie now and hear that string in the background and I hear you guys jumping on their it's going to surface it shall surface yes yes no we we we got stuff I'm excited we got stuff coming
well then we shall talk again in the future and uh I won't kick myself for the 500 questions I had in the back of my mind I had to ask you you know we'll see you come we'll see in the streets we'll see you in the street well you
work you work with us now too part of the Apple team man you know aoi radio coming up episode one The remarkable Dallas soul with Prince Paul and Queen Latifa look out for us right now and uh gentlemen thank you for being so great thank you so much he