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I don't know who invented the power cord, but you can think of, you know, you really got me from The Kinks, which was pretty heavy I would think for its time.
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Yeah, like just that you could put into a heavy metal song or change the notes a little bit and make it darker and that riff will become pretty [ __ ] heavy.
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You had The Who that were breaking guitars, blowing stuff on stage, and their sound was massive.
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I always saw The Who as like a kind of like an example for Led Zeppelin of what a band should even just the way with like a great drummer, virtuoso amazing bass player, guitar player that wrote the music, produced the records, songwriter.
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The presence of the vocalist kind of had a similar >> True. vibe, too.
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So, yeah, you know, you had the '60s bands.
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Dude, even you could say The Beatles in um the song called I Want You, the end of that song where it gets all doomy and It's like dirge. It's it's metal.
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It it it's it gives you the feeling of what Black Sabbath gives you without necessarily the same guitar tones or whatever, but the sound, the music, the darkness.
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So, there were things that were happening before Black Sabbath, before Deep Purple, before Led Zeppelin.
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Was In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida before?
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I'm not sure what year that was, but those are all considered psychedelic. Yeah, but it's heavy.
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>> It's heavy, but the heavy stuff came from the psychedelic.
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Like that band High Tide, you know? The British band. >> Yeah.
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That was heavy, but that was before Sabbath, that was during the late '60s psychedelic era, and I think psychedelic music was moving into this direction.
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It was certainly one of the flavors cuz there was also like a folk flavor.
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It's like Led Zeppelin has really heavy songs and then they have really folky songs. Yeah.
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And it feels like they didn't invent that.
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That was kind of what was going on. >> Mhm. Yeah, same with Sabbath.
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There is Sabbath I think took things to a direction that like sometimes I think even a riff from a band can spark a whole genre. Just that tiny moment.
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>> Do you want to play an example of a riff that inspires people?
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Well, how about this one from Cream?
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>> [music] >> Pretty dark.
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>> [music and singing] [music] [music] [singing] >> It's like heavy metal blues.
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>> [music] [music] [music and singing] [music] [music] [music] [singing] >> This could be a [music] Sabbath song. For sure.
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>> [music] [singing] [music] [music] >> Of the American blues men who created the genre, nothing sounded like that.
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You know, like it definitely took it to a new extreme.
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And there was other things going on.
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Maybe they were inspired by somebody else.
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I don't know that I mean it's always tough to tell.
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But then you got Sabbath at some point.
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You know, you got You feel like Sabbath is like the real beginning of metal? Yeah, I kind of do.
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More to me than Led Zeppelin because Led Zeppelin had moments of heaviness. Their sound was heavy.
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The energy of harder rock was there, but Sabbath brought the doom.
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Also lyrically >> Yeah, Sabbath the trip was dark. >> The name of the band.
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>> [laughter] >> It's Black Sabbath.
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Just they they brought in a feeling, a vibe that to me was the sound of heavy metal.
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The blues and the jazz was still there, but that came in between the heavy riffs.
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And the riffs with Sabbath weren't like for example, we mentioned the band High Tide, but probably if you listen to the rest of their songs, that was probably the only song that was heavy. >> That was heavy.
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Sabbath had the whole album was that vibe and then the next album was that vibe and the next album and it just, you know, that vibe continued.
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It became a character of of of the sound of Sabbath.
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It seems true of heavy metal bands in general.
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That was the sound of those bands.
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They may have one ballad, Yeah.
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but it was the exception, not the rule. The rule was metal.
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Yeah, and that's that's what I mean by like one song or one riff can take a band and someone who is listening to that would be like, I want to write more songs that are like this.
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>> Yeah, so like The Kinks have You Really Got Me, but that's not what all The Kinks songs sound like. >> No. So, it sparked. Those are the sparks.
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>> Should we listen to You Really Got Me? Sure.
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>> [music] >> It's heavy as [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> And for its time it was probably shocking. >> Yeah.
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And then like to tear the speaker [music] to get the distortion, you know, it's probably one of the first >> [music] >> distorted guitar song.
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>> [music] [music] >> So, this riff makes you do what heavy metal makes you do, which is like make a fist or like >> Or air guitar.
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>> Yeah, just something that makes your face get like >> [laughter] >> you know.
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>> Yeah, you want to participate.
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I think we should play that High Tide song. >> Let's hear it.
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>> [music] >> Once again, this is before Black Sabbath.
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Heavy as [ __ ] >> Crazy. It's like dirgy sludge.
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>> And once they start singing, it gets dark.
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>> [music] [music] >> That's doom. For sure.
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Well, there's a whole genre called doom metal.
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>> And it sounds like this. And it's like this vibe.
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>> [music] >> Smell of burning flesh, like the lyrics metal.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> But this was considered psychedelic music.
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There's no name heavy metal. >> No.
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And the name heavy metal came from the Steppenwolf song. Or heavy metal thunder. >> Heavy metal thunder.
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Just kind of like, you know, rock and roll came from like Rock Around the Clock and there was a bunch of songs at one point in the late '40s, early '50s that started using the word rock and that became the reason why people called it rock and roll.
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And I would say even with other genres as we'll get into as we're going we're kind of named by songs or bands like death metal, black metal, these kinds of things.
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So as things start getting more extreme, you know, Sabbath, the song Black Sabbath really heavy slow do me, but this song, Symptom of the Universe to me was aggressive.
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Like you can mosh pit to this song and there were no mosh pits yet, but this riff is aggressive.
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Like you can [ __ ] bang your head to this [ __ ] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> This takes things to another level of heaviness.
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>> [music] [music] >> Led Zeppelin and all that other stuff, sure [music] it was heavy. But this is heavy metal. >> Yeah. This is less bluesy.
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>> [music] >> This song goes into a section that starts getting all jammy and bongos and stuff like that.
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>> [music] >> Well, like machine-like, very extreme metal for early 70s.
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There's no rock and roll in it. No.
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May- maybe the swing, maybe.
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The backbeat, you know, but maybe.
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>> [music] >> I mean, listen how he's singing.
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That's a big part of it all.
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Like Ozzy's voice maybe is the archetype heavy metal voice. Yeah.
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The thing is nobody else sounded like him.
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It's just the aggression.
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I think other people came in did aggression in their own style, but I mean, you have to Yeah, of course it has to be the starting point.
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>> [music] >> It I mean, it gets more.
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>> [laughter] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> And now here it turns into I mean, my band does stuff like that. >> Yeah.
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Literally, no, [laughter] bro.
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>> [music] >> Yeah, I mean, it's also really experimental.
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You know, the the way the parts go together is not like regular song structure. It's much more free.
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There was like this jazzy [music] element to some Black Sabbath parts.
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Uh and Bill Ward's drumming.
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>> [music] >> There was a looseness to it at some point.
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It wasn't just all riffs.
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[music] They you'd go into these sections where like this one.
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This this is not heavy metal.
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This goes back to the 60s in a way.
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Yeah, you had Deep Purple, but you also had other bands like we were talking about like Budgie.
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They were doing a heavy sound.
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Same time as Black Sabbath? Uh early 70s.
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I mean, yeah, you could say.
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Here's a song that Metallica later covered from them.
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Metallica actually covered a couple of Budgie songs.
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>> [music] >> Sounds [music] like Metallica. They covered this.
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But stylistically, [music] like the original song sound like this, too. >> Yeah.
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Especially like early first album, [music] you know.
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>> [music] [music] >> Ozzy-esque vocals. Yeah.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> So yeah, there was stuff like this.
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Bands that are kind of like unsung heroes at the time.
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[music] Like you know, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple, they get a lot of the glory [music] and they get a lot of the attention, but there were other bands.
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>> [music] [music] >> So, you know, you had all the early '70s stuff.
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You know, here's a Deep Purple Fireball.
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Double bass which also became [music] something later on in heavy metal.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> All that as much as Ozzy was an influence he and Gillan a lot of people started doing that towards the late '70s, early '80s.
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>> [music] >> Also, Ian Gillan in Black Sabbath was great, too. Yeah, Born Again.
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Some people don't like that record, but I love it. >> me too.
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Yeah, I love that record.
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And I love Sabbath with Dio, as well.
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Dio was really different than the others to me.
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It turns into more like mythical.
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Well, his lyrics, his vibe.
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There's another dude that isn't from England that probably should be mentioned or a band have you ever heard of Sir Lord Baltimore?
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I've heard his name, but I never listened to music.
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They kind of get a little credit for being heavy before there was heavy. It's heavy.
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From the US, though, from the East Coast.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> It's groovier than pretty much everything else we listen to.
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>> Yeah, it's They're from the US.
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You know, there's probably a difference in influences and, you know You you sometimes [music] hear when a band is from a certain place, like you hear the place.
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You hear that there's a difference in sound.
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>> [music] [music] >> The LA glam sound compared to what the Seattle sound was like.
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You would hear different genres come out of different parts of the world, and you would hear that part of the world in that genre, you know.
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I don't think any of the bands that we've listened to yet when they formed formed as heavy metal bands.
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There was no word >> no such thing yet.
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Yeah, I mean, some people call my band new metal.
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But I remember when we were doing it there was no such thing as that.
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I mean, I don't really consider us new metal.
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I think we came out of that genre.
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I think it was just the time we were around.
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I think there's things about our music that might be there, but when it's happening I'm sure the bands in Seattle weren't calling themselves grunge. >> No.
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It's the press >> after, yeah.
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>> Yeah, the press starts has has to put a label on it in some way.
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So, when did heavy metal start? I don't know.
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I wasn't around at this time.
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We're we're going to move into a direction where I was actually alive.
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I wasn't >> [laughter] >> I wasn't alive yet during all this stuff. You got to mention Kiss.
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Yeah, rock and roll all night, party every day, but and the the look, spikes, black and silver, the theatrics, because theatrics is a part of a lot of metal, as well.
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What would be a Kiss song that would be representative of their metal side?
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I always thought Parasite was kind of heavy. Let's hear that.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [singing] [music] >> It's the image of the demon the fire breathing, the blood, that was huge to the kids that grew up with that Mhm. and then started bands. Was huge for me.
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I mean, I was 3 years old 3 or 4 years old when I first saw Kiss.
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It scared the [ __ ] out of me. But you liked it.
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But it just I was just obsessed with it.
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I couldn't stop looking at it.
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Never heard a song yet, even at that point.
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So, I just Just the image Just Just the image, just seeing them.
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Maybe Kiss's music wasn't as heavy as what Black Sabbath was doing.
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But Black Sabbath didn't look like Kiss.
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Kiss's image with Black Sabbath's music together matched. Yeah. Matched.
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>> And that's what brought forth the next wave of heavy metal.
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Which people call the new wave of British heavy metal, which started happening mid to late '70s into the '80s.
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What bands would those be, do you know?
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Well, you could start with bands like UFO Mhm.
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But they were still kind of in the mid-'70s, you could say. Then Judas Priest.
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Did Judas Priest start in the '70s? I think so.
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>> Judas Priest was pretty early on, but then their changes happened through their sound in the early days.
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It started becoming the blues and the jazzy elements that the earlier bands had these bands kind of didn't have that.
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A band like UFO had a great guitar player.
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They kind of their early couple records were kind of more psychedelic, but then you get into say a song like this one.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> You hear that that gallopy kind of thing?
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There's a little Led Zeppelin in that.
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>> [music] [music] [music] >> That gallopy thing became a very Iron Maiden thing.
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>> [music] [music] [music] >> So bands like this and I'm going to give the Scorpions some love.
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>> [music] [music] [music] >> In a heavy metal kind of way song like the Sails of Charon.
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>> [music] >> So those are all English bands we were talking about.
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These guys came [music] from Germany.
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Scorpions had really metal album covers.
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>> [music] >> Yeah, if you would play this, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Wow, I love the Scorpions. >> I can see.
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Oh, you hear it in my influence?
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>> Yeah, but but I never heard them before.
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It's like it's very interesting.
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>> [music] >> Uli Roth, amazing guitar player.
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>> [music] >> I didn't know it was this original.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Also has like an operatic vibe vocally.
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Yeah, and kind of [music] Arabic kind of guitar lines and stuff.
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So their sound kind of changed as it went on into the '80s.
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It became a little bit more poppy.
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They're known for like their rock ballads, which I love rock ballads and Scorpions did some of the best rock ballads.
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You know, bands like Thin Lizzy.
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>> [music] >> Heavy as hell.
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>> [music] [music] >> This dual guitar thing they did. Harmonies.
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Very [music] influential with bands to come like Judas Priest. Uh Iron Maiden.
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They did these dual guitar solos.
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Thin Lizzy I think was one of the first.
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>> [music] >> Still not metal.
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None of these bands I don't think we would have called metal yet.
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>> I don't think they would have called themselves metal. >> Exactly.
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But the kids that were listening to them or the teenagers that were listening to them that were about to be 18, 19, 20 years old and start bands themselves. >> of bands. >> Yeah.
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Going into the late '70s new wave of British heavy metal bands like Judas Priest you would say were starting to take the blues out and then the imagery as well.
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Judas Priest also I think had a lot to do with the look of metal [snorts] with the spikes and the stuff which >> did it first, but they kind of made it their trip and they weren't wearing makeup.
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They weren't playing monsters, they were playing themselves. >> Yeah.
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But they dressed like that.
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Yeah, and um [clears throat] a lot of that spike and stuff came out of the BDSM kind of imagery and that that's kind of where that came from.
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So Kiss and Judas Priest I would say had a lot to do with that.
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Heavy metal spikes, black leather towards the late '70s, early '80s and here's a Judas Priest song called Hell Bent for Leather.
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>> [music] >> Stranglehold again.
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Hey, Ted Nugent had probably something to do with this too.
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>> [music] >> Double kick.
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>> [music] [music] >> There's an emotion that heavy metal gives you which is that fist in the air.
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Makes your face change into mean grim face. It does to me at least.
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I can't help myself sometimes.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music and singing] >> Are they the first band that we listened to that had two guitar players? Thin Lizzy did.
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That's definitely a difference. >> Yeah, yeah.
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Dual guitar playing, dual solos.
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>> Yeah, trading off solos. >> Trading off. Became a thing.
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L M N T So we're at the new wave of British heavy metal.
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late 70s early 80s I start remembering at this time of my life remembering the older kids at my school when I was elementary school the shirts they used to wear.
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It was just all like wow to me man.
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Like black t-shirts with bands on them.
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>> Band shirts at the time Judas Priest Yeah.
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Iron Maiden Aussie you know Aussie had separated from Black Sabbath at that point.
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I mean early Aussie solo stuff you can't deny Randy Rhoads guitar playing.
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I remember going to the record store with my mom and seeing the album cover for Speak of the Devil which is a live album but it's Aussie and he has his mouth open he has this [ __ ] in his [ __ ] mouth I don't know it's like jelly or something but at the time it was like oh Aussie used to bite heads off bats and all that stuff so you would think oh is is that the head of the bat in my head as a kid.
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And I don't know man as a kid I was really young man I was like 5 years old but I was like really into this [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> Like to the point where my mom should have maybe been concerned you know but but I was just really really into this [ __ ] and so we're also getting to the point where people are starting to accuse these bands of being devil worshipers. >> Oh yeah.
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Which was also something that was appealing to me as a 5-year-old.
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>> [laughter] >> But I'm sure as like kids that were 10 11 12 13 14 whatever I'm sure that was also something that was appealing.
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it was about the danger of it it wasn't about actually worshipping the devil it was more like it was the scary thing.
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>> taboo Yeah and it embraced the dark side that everybody has some aspect of in them.
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It wasn't hiding it away it was celebrating the dark side.
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And you were like are they were they There's something like kind of you know how wrestling has kayfabe? Mhm.
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>> [laughter] >> It's it there's something kind of kayfabe.
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Heavy metal and pro wrestling kind of work in the same way where there's there's definitely a theatrical element to heavy metal. Yeah.
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Like you know the kiss the demon what is is this guy really does he live like this is this really his life does he walk around the street like this you know?
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We didn't have the internet back then we didn't have social media where everybody sees the person's life and what they are off stage and you know in my head Aussie was like this wow dude this guy was like not even from this planet.
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The fantasy aspect of it appealed to you.
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It's almost like they're cartoon characters.
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>> Yeah yeah like I imagined what they were like like this person is really like this all the time you know or is this I never even thought about like oh they're not like this it was to I was very young so in my head they were [ __ ] cartoon.
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I was still watching cartoons at this time in my life.
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You know I would take my mom to the record store and the band start playing into the satanic thing and Iron Maiden had Eddie you know the the mascot and it was always like these evil album covers.
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I was >> Like it was like a horror movie Eddie would be like a horror movie character.
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Kind of yeah but I always wanted to get those albums but I knew if I took those albums to my mom she wouldn't buy them for me so I would like try to go to this safer like you know Def Leppard Pyromania I didn't have that on there it had a building burning.
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But I had my way of getting those albums to me through like an older cousin or whatever they would record them on a cassette that didn't have the album cover so I still get to listen to like Dio Holy Diver because the the album cover for that is like the devil has this priest in the chains and Wow.
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you know So there's you know there's two singers in Iron Maiden Paul Di'Anno and Bruce Dickinson.
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How long was Paul Di'Anno how many years? >> Just two albums. First two albums.
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First two albums and I was going to play a song from those records because if we're talking about the evolution and the new wave of British metal this was the beginning of it yeah Judas Priest but early Iron Maiden I would consider and later Iron Maiden but it wasn't the new wave after that this this was kind of the new wave So the first singer is more like in line with the Judas Priest era of new metal.
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Not necessarily but I'll I'll let you hear it. >> Play.
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I'll play Killers which is the title track off their second album.
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>> [music] [music] [singing] [music] [music] [music] >> That gallop is signature to Iron Maiden [music] sound.
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>> [music] [music] [music] >> Two guitar players as well. >> Yes.
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Back then now [music] they have three but >> [music] [music] [music] >> dual guitar playing >> [music] >> and then the bass playing very specific to [music] Iron Maiden as well I mean Steve Harris is pretty much like the main writer in the band [music] the bass player. Yeah.
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>> [music] >> What are you not hearing though?
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blues no blues no blues >> no rock no It feels almost more a little related to like classical music. >> Yes.
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It almost starts going more into like Wagner you know? >> Yeah.
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>> [music] >> So those are a little bluesy.
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But that's what guitar players did it at that time.
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>> [music] >> But the riffs are not bluesy at all and there's nothing [music] about the groove that's bluesy it's very Germanic. Germanic? Yeah.
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>> [music] >> I'm playing this era of Iron Maiden because this was very raw.
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This was their beginning.
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>> [music] >> It was just a dirtier version of Iron Maiden. >> Still late 70s?
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Uh this starts getting into the early 80s.
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Here's another song from Iron Maiden called Phantom of the Opera.
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>> [music] >> This is the album before Killers.
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This is the first Iron Maiden record self-titled.
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>> [music] >> It's amazing.
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undeniable so influential >> [music] >> Nobody was really doing this.
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This was as heavy [music] I think as it got at this point of metal in the 80s. And it's very straight. It's not psychedelic.
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No there is none of that there's no blues no psychedelic.
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>> [music] >> It's aggressive, but very musical.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> I learned how to play my guitar playing these songs in my room just trying to learn them, you know.
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>> [music] >> And would you play along? Yeah.
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>> [music] [music] >> Another thing about Iron Maiden, different parts, long songs.
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This one is like a 7-minute song.
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And it goes from part to part, but it keeps you interested.
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>> [music] >> It's music that should be sat down and listened to. It's not a pop song. You don't dance to it.
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Well, you could, but Going, you know, heavy metal has its dances, too, man. Mosh pit, head banging.
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That's the heavy metal dance.
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Probably head banging before the mosh cuz I think the mosh pit came from hardcore and punk.
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But just banging your head is the feeling you get when you're feeling this heavy emotion. It feels right.
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A lot of things are happening all at the same time that are making things what they are a year later, 2 years later.
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While all this is happening with the new wave of British heavy metal bands, you have punk rock. punk rock.
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And I think it's somewhat meshing together somewhere in the late '70s, I think.
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>> probably listened to both of those. I know I did.
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I I listened to punk rock and heavy metal at the same time.
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And then when you started hearing like probably Metallica was one of the first where it felt like this was different than what came before it.
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I mean, you would Motörhead.
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Oh, Motörhead's in a class by themselves. Yeah. I love Motörhead.
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So And never thought of them as a descendant of punk rock, though.
52:45
The punks loved Motörhead. Yeah.
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But it felt like they were Motörhead in spite of what anyone else was doing.
52:53
Yeah, it was really aggressive rock and roll in a way.
52:57
Yeah, like like hard biker rock.
53:00
Yeah, and let's be loud, and let's be fast.
53:04
Here's another band that Metallica covered called Diamond Head.
53:09
You know, Metallica is a very influential band, obviously, but these are bands that influenced Metallica.
53:15
Just like we're talking about bands that might have influenced Black Sabbath, these are bands that probably influenced Metallica and Slayer, you know, all the early thrash stuff, but there was no thrash yet.
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>> [music] [music] >> So this is Am I Evil?
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Metallica made [music] famous.
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A lot of people didn't even know that it was a cover until, you know, they like this is a band called Diamond Head.
53:53
I miss rhythm goes back to Jeff Beck. Yeah.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> In the break between the two heavy parts of the song, there's a tapping guitar part. Yeah.
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Did Eddie Van Halen invent that or were other people already doing it?
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Other people did it before Eddie Van Halen, but Eddie Van Halen made it his thing.
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No one had done it like he had done it.
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>> Nobody had done it like he had done it.
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You know, and once again, guitar players, Randy Rhoads, Eddie Van Halen, Yngwie Malmsteen, these guys all shaped how heavy metal guitar players, you know, before there was Jimmy Page and there was all those dudes from, you know, >> rooted in the blues, really.
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>> These guys were more rooted in like neo-classical.
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That kind of also pushed the blues a little bit out of the guitar soloing cuz we just heard the early Iron Maiden stuff, but as you go into deeper Iron Maiden, you'll hear less of that bluesy stuff, and it gets to be a little bit more minors and neo-classical types of vibes.
57:15
So singers influential, guitar players that were influential, drummers who played more aggressively as time went on, double kick started coming into the situation more, I'd say, faster double kick started probably coming into the situation in the early to mid-'80s with Slayer, you know.
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>> But that was really different than what like John Bonham or Keith Moon were doing, who were incredible at what they did, but this was a different kind of great new drumming.
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Those dudes were still, you could hear the jazz, you could hear which later on will come back in metal in some way, jazz fusion drumming, but in the early '80s, I would say it was just this stiff kind of heavy beat, solid, keep things solid.
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And the '80s was also when drum machines were getting popular, also when disco was kind of in the air.
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So like the idea of the heavy straight beat was kind of everywhere from drum machines and from disco.
58:27
Metal doesn't sound like disco, but it is as hypnotic, straight It's not loose.
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Yeah, it's not like improvisational. Yeah.
58:40
Here's another band I really like. This I like this song.
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It's a band called Holocaust.
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The song's called Death or Glory.
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I just feel like >> when?
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Same early '80s kind of time.
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You could say influenced heavier bands to come, but wasn't necessarily that just yet.
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>> [screaming] [music] >> [ __ ] heavy.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> For the early 80s made you bang your head.
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When you were a kid, did the other kids in your school all listen to heavy metal or was it unusual music?
1:02:53
Some older kids I would see that weren't my friends, I would just see that they were they wore these shirts and stuff like that.
1:02:59
My surrounding people, like my cousins that were like older cousins of mine, they hated heavy metal.
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I didn't really have anybody that was I don't know what it is about this music that was just I was just drawn to it.
1:03:15
What sparked it was just I walked into a distant older cousins, people that aren't really like that closely related to me.
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I went to their house and they were teenagers.
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I was 3 or 4 years old, opened the door and I saw Kiss all over their walls.
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As I got older, it was just something, you know, my mom would go to the grocery store and I would be at the magazine stand and I would be looking at all the heavy metal magazines and not really reading them, just looking at the pictures, you know.
1:03:46
The funny thing is she'd always say, "As long as it doesn't influence you too much."
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>> [laughter] >> It seems like it influenced you just right. >> Yeah, right.
1:03:55
I mean, she's happy now, but Look, I'm into a lot of different kinds of music. You know that.
1:04:01
You and I always exchange, you know, send each other stuff, but it's usually psychedelic music or world music or I mean, it's all over the board.
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Just like you, I have like a pretty broad taste, but heavy metal was my first spark, my first love, my first thing that put me in my direction. You could say my roots.
1:04:23
And you play along with those records to get started. >> Growing up, yeah.
1:04:27
Even though there was I could say I loved disco at the same that I love this stuff, too.
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Obviously, if you listen to my band, you hear more than heavy metal For sure.
1:04:36
And that's why some people will be like, "Well, why is Darren talking about like extreme metal?"
1:04:42
Because he's not in an extreme metal band, but I grew up with this kind of music.
1:04:45
I grew up with extreme metal.
1:04:46
By the time I formed my own band, I wanted to do something original.
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I don't want to copy the bands that >> Of course.
1:04:53
you know, came before, but I was very influenced by Yeah. Can't help but be.
1:04:58
Yeah, everything that we're playing and stuff we haven't played yet are all things that someone as a fan of heavy metal we're talking about like the evolution of heavy metal, but it was also my evolution with heavy metal at the time that it was happening. Yeah.
1:05:14
You grew up with this music.
1:05:17
So, get to some of the stuff that starts getting a little bit heavier in the early 80s, which is Mercyful Fate.
1:05:29
I realize that King Diamond is not for everybody because there are even metalheads that are like, "I don't know. I can't get into it.
1:05:36
I can't get into the voice, whatever." I love King Diamond. I love Mercyful Fate. >> Yes. Black Funeral.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Heavy as [ __ ] for that time.
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>> [music] >> I love this right now.
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I'm playing King Diamond on Tetragrammaton.
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>> [laughter] [music] [music and screaming] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Tell me the story of Mercyful Fate.
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What do you know about them?
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They're from Denmark, I think.
1:07:59
I don't know much about the history about like why he started singing like that.
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I think Ian Gillan was kind of a influence on him, but he just like did Ian Gillan the whole time.
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>> Maybe Dio, too, a little bit. Nah, maybe.
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They were around in the late 70s, but kind of this album and they have few albums, but like the two classic ones are the first two.
1:08:21
And then King Diamond went solo.
1:08:24
>> King Diamond went solo.
1:08:24
Mercyful Fate has more of like a raw sound.
1:08:27
It's kind of like if you compare early Iron Maiden to later Iron Maiden.
1:08:34
It became a little bit more polished.
1:08:36
Mercyful Fate has a little bit more of that raw late 70s, early 80s production sound, the riffs.
1:08:49
King Diamond's stuff became I'd say you could say even more theatrical.
1:08:51
The whole album had a theme, like them was the whole album was like a story.
1:08:58
But his style and I get it, some people don't get it.
1:09:03
>> [laughter] >> But it's signature, though.
1:09:03
He goes from high to and it's just kind of like how do you what made him like I don't know, how do you come up with singing like this? It's very unique.
1:09:17
There is nobody before him or after him.
1:09:20
It's just him that does this with the different voices and the different harmonies and the over the top high pitch >> thing and then the makeup.
1:09:30
Like in Mercyful Fate, there was like five dudes.
1:09:36
The rest of them just looked like regular heavy metal dudes and then there was him with the makeup.
1:09:41
And going back to satanic kayfabe Yes.
1:09:45
>> [laughter] >> the other people you were kind of like, maybe maybe not, but this guy kind of convinced you that he was.
1:09:51
And the way he talked and the way he explained it in these interviews and stuff like that made you think, oh this this guy is really a devil worshiper.
1:10:01
This guy is really satanic, which gave him this extra street cred kind of credibility that made it convincing.
1:10:08
And I And I think he has those beliefs to some I have no idea. degree.
1:10:14
It always sounded to me like a theater kid doing heavy metal like as an act.
1:10:22
That's what sort of turned me off about it was was theatrical to the point of parody.
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If I remember correctly, I probably didn't like it the first time I heard it.
1:10:35
Which was not Mercyful Fate for me, it was King Diamond solo. Mhm.
1:10:37
But then I didn't like Slayer the first time I heard it. >> Wow.
1:10:43
Because remember, I'm growing up with this kind of vocal. Yes.
1:10:46
Iron Maiden, Dio, Ozzy Osbourne kind of vocal.
1:10:52
When I first heard the vocals in Slayer, it was something that was brand new to me, but then I gave it another shot and it became like my favorite band.
1:11:00
But it's so different, the first reaction is not for me.
1:11:02
Most of all my favorite music I didn't like when I first heard it. It's too much. Yeah.
1:11:06
But then when you realize I remember laughing at the Ramones when I heard it. It was ridiculous.
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Why would anybody play that fast?
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>> It's like tasting a food for the first time.
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>> have any point of reference.
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>> Yeah, you don't have any reference and it's kind of like you don't recognize it.
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But then you try it again and it's like for that next month you're eating that food and you know, it becomes your favorite food. >> Yeah.
1:11:31
Okay, what would be a good example of King Diamond as a solo artist?
1:11:36
For me it was I love the album Them.
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How old were you you think when it came out?
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Them, 1988, I was 13 years old.
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Song's called Welcome Home.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Man, listen to how many voices he does.
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>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> This was kind of the a big song.
1:13:17
He used to come on Headbangers Ball and stuff. Really? Yeah, yeah.
1:13:22
This was I'd say the breakthrough song for his solo career.
1:13:25
There was an album before this or two solo.
1:13:31
So, you know, there's bands around this time Remember a band called Metal Church?
1:13:38
People that were metal heads at that time were into Metal Church.
1:13:39
Metal Church [ __ ] was relevant.
1:13:50
It's a band that's not talked about as much now but at the time we would look forward to the new Metal Church album, you know, as young metal heads.
1:14:07
>> [music] [music] >> This song's called Metal Church, self-titled, off the first album.
1:14:23
>> [music] [music] >> You hear the Black Sabbath Yeah. influence.
1:14:37
You hear the Black Sabbath, [music] but you don't hear no blues. You don't hear no jazz.
1:14:56
>> [music] [music] [music] >> Like up until then Judas Priest, Maiden all that stuff was the heavy stuff.
1:15:30
Now we're getting into the mid-80s and this [music] was happening around the same time as Slayer and Metallica.
1:15:41
Was there a name for this genre?
1:15:45
>> [music] >> Some people would like would call it power metal. Power metal.
1:15:51
It definitely sounds like an escalation on what came before it. >> Yes, and it is. You can hear it.
1:15:58
>> [music] [music] [screaming] [screaming] >> It's a [ __ ] mean riff.
1:16:28
Yeah, it's almost like thrash.
1:16:29
The The riff, but not the beat. >> Yeah. And not the vocals. Yeah.
1:16:36
Vocals are more like traditional metal. >> Yes.
1:16:43
So during this mid 80s time the metal was getting kind of more aggressive because while we're listening to this Metallica is putting out, you know, Kill 'Em All and Master of Puppets and Slayer is putting out Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood and all that stuff.
1:17:05
Things were kind of getting more aggressive and faster but then there was a there was bands that were kind of taking it back to the Black Sabbath thing and doing like a more doom metal thing like a band like [music] Candlemass and this song called Demons Gate. theatrics.
1:17:53
These guys kind of slowed [music] it down while everyone else was going faster.
1:18:00
>> [music] >> I believe they're from Sweden.
1:18:08
>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> So this is considered doom metal.
1:18:56
Feels related to prog [music] rock, but much darker. Yes.
1:19:03
>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> The trend is you hear more Ian Gillan in vocals as time goes on than you do Ozzy [music] in some ways.
1:19:29
Those high-pitched Ian Gillan things kind of stuck around with a lot of bands through the years and they built on it or became like the head >> [music] [music] [music] >> So, another band you could say that was doing this at this time when other bands were doing [music] other things was a band that I think you worked with called Trouble.
1:20:12
Early Trouble had doom elements and more bands came and started there a subgenre started through this.
1:20:23
Stoner metal you some people like to call it.
1:20:27
>> Also, more these bands, the splintering after the Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, it started getting more independent.
1:20:35
Like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest were on major labels. Yeah.
1:20:39
You saw them at an arena when they came to play.
1:20:42
These other bands were more like Roadrunner Yeah, more like like independent labels and it was almost more of a punk rock aesthetic even though it was metal. It was underground.
1:20:52
It was underground music. Yeah.
1:20:54
I a lot of these bands I would either find because I liked the album cover or the guy at the record store knew what I liked and he would be like, "Check this out."
1:21:05
It wasn't from mass marketing or or MTV or anything like >> MTV All Headbangers Ball.
1:21:12
At that time you would find some bands that would play on Headbangers Ball that would only be played like after midnight on Headbangers Ball though.
1:21:23
It wasn't in the regular rotation of MTV.
1:21:25
At that time the regular rotation of MTV was like the glam bands and the >> Guns N' Roses >> Yeah, the hair bands, Mötley Crüe.
1:21:33
Look man, early Mötley Crüe is you could say very influential too in or like Shout at the Devil era Mötley Crüe, there was some heaviness to that. It wasn't all bubblegum.
1:21:47
It wasn't, you know, there was the riffs were heavy, the imagery was satanic and kind of dark.
1:21:55
I remember when I was a kid I had the Mötley Crüe cassette and in the back of the cassette it had written, "If you play this record backwards, it plays Satan."
1:22:03
I don't know, it plays backward messages.
1:22:04
It's they purposely wrote that because they wanted, you know, once again satanic cachet.
1:22:10
>> [laughter] >> You know, as a 7 8-year-old kid I was like, "Oh, wow, this is something that, you know, I got to hide >> [laughter] >> from from my mom cuz I don't want her to read that, you know, um At this same time though, you had more aggressive stuff that was a precursor to thrash.
1:22:34
What would be an example of that?
1:22:39
I wouldn't consider Discharge a heavy metal band, but Discharge definitely played >> influenced >> influenced thrash music.
1:22:45
So, a song like this came out in >> [music] >> the early '80s.
1:22:56
Discharge, Drunk With Power.
1:22:59
>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> It's really really heavy for that time, man.
1:24:08
>> [music] >> Like you would sit there and think, "How are they doing this >> [music] >> while all these other bands are doing that?" It's less music. It's more assault.
1:24:18
It's [music] a repetitive riff.
1:24:25
It's mesmerizing in some ways.
1:24:30
It just it stays the same.
1:24:30
Every song has the same vocal approach.
1:24:33
It's the same It's a lot of the same vibe.
1:24:38
>> [music] >> This takes like the Ramones and all the like takes it to this other [music] place. Such an original band.
1:24:55
It it baffles me on like how were they doing this at this time?
1:25:00
>> [music] >> They formed in the late '70s.
1:25:04
And this was probably early '80s.
1:25:07
>> [music] >> IF YOU LIKE HEARD [music] THIS at at that time, you would be like, "What is this?"
1:25:18
Yeah, and now it sounds Yeah, it's aggressive.
1:25:23
>> [music] [music and screaming] >> Bands like the Bad Brains and Discharge definitely took it to a whole new level. of intensity >> Yes.
1:25:39
That is still feels intense now.
1:25:44
You know, you had these bands coming out in the early '80s that were not necessarily metal.
1:25:48
But the same metal kids might hear those and it might be one of the influences for sure on Slayer. Yeah.
1:25:54
There was the influence of in addition to Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, clearly the extreme punk rock was part of the Well, that's they were fusing this with Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Mercyful Fate and they were fusing the music and the riffs of that, but the intensity of this.
1:26:20
But for me, you know, in in punk rock you have MC5 and the Stooges, right? >> Yep.
1:26:26
You could say are like the precursors precursors to the Ramones and all that stuff.
1:26:34
In extreme metal world for me, sure Discharge was a player in that, but you can't deny Motörhead.
1:26:47
>> [music] [music] >> Heavy as [ __ ] man.
1:27:00
Speed because he was all [music] speed, so >> [music] [music] >> You can put Discharge in this.
1:27:31
You would like bill [music] them on the same gig and and it would make sense.
1:27:35
The intensity of it was there even though they probably wouldn't consider themselves in the same genre or whatever, but it the vocals I mean that's singing.
1:27:48
He's got this same like the Discharge guy.
1:27:53
>> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> I think at the time metal and punk people like the metal kids didn't really listen to punk and the punk kids didn't really listen to metal, but there was some bands that they could agree on and Motörhead was one of them.
1:28:45
Everyone liked Motörhead. Yeah.
1:28:48
Most people in metal if they knew about them loved them, but they were a little more underground than the above ground metal stuff. Yeah.
1:28:54
Like we said, MC5 and the Stooges, Motörhead and Venom. Venom is a big deal. Okay.
1:29:05
in extreme music influential on thrash influential on black metal.
1:29:10
They named it black metal.
1:29:15
The the album was called black metal. Really?
1:29:17
And the vocals of Venom, I remember uh Tom's brother John what was my guitar tech for a long time and he would tell me that when Slayer started they wanted to hear Tom sing more like Venom.
1:29:35
And you hear it in early Slayer, Show No Mercy era really you hear a lot of that Venom in Slayer.
1:29:44
But this is the song called black metal by Venom.
1:29:49
And also the production, the speed.
1:30:11
>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> This and a couple other bands >> [music] >> were considered the first wave of black metal because black metal has another act coming in the early 90s, which is my favorite [music] part of our story.
1:30:58
I love black metal music.
1:31:04
You could say black metal music got its name from that song.
1:31:08
But if you want to hear how it's influence on Slayer it could have very well been a Venom song.
1:31:30
Same kind of beat, right? Black metal. CLASSIC NWOBHM.
1:31:37
NO ONE CAN STOP US TONIGHT.
1:31:40
>> [music] >> WE TAKE OUR NEW WORLD with hatred and spite.
1:31:42
MAY HAVE THE reason we fight.
1:31:45
Surviving the slaughter and killing [music] with lust then we return FROM THE DEAD.
1:31:51
ATTACKING ONCE MORE NOW with righteous fury.
1:31:53
WE COUNT THEM DOWN AND MOVE ON AHEAD.
1:31:55
>> [music] >> OH, I WON'T GET BY. BLACK METAL THIS GUY.
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>> [music] >> WE'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL.
1:32:06
BLACK METAL BUT YOU CAN HEAR HOW THIS CAME FROM VENOM.
1:32:12
>> [music] >> The thing that this has that Venom doesn't is Dave Lombardo.
1:32:19
>> [laughter] >> The good thing about Dave Lombardo is no matter how fast it gets it's always groovy. Yeah.
1:32:24
It never sounds like do do do do do do. It's always swinging.
1:32:30
I got a chance to once jam with Dave. And could you feel it?
1:32:32
Dave is a is a different kind of drummer, man.
1:32:38
Uh you can play one riff and Dave will change what he's playing and he will change your riff.
1:32:46
The story with that is uh was in our mosh pit.
1:32:54
>> [laughter] >> And we had never met him before.
1:32:58
And uh we were just playing and I kind of was like, "Dude, that's Dave Lombardo in the [ __ ] mosh pit."
1:33:04
And I was like, "Oh, we have to meet him."
1:33:05
We met him afterwards and my first thing was like, "Dude, you got to come to our I was like, "I got to play with Dave Lombardo." And he came.
1:33:14
He came to our studio like a week later or something like that.
1:33:16
I don't know if he remembers this but I do. It was great.
1:33:20
And we we didn't it wasn't even like at first we weren't playing songs or jamming.
1:33:23
I was just like riffing, just jamming, just free jamming, which a lot of metal guys can't do, you know?
1:33:28
And he would just free jam and it was just like going from one thing to another.
1:33:33
But one thing I noticed was like I could just sit there and play a riff and this guy was changing the things he was playing and I didn't have to change anything but he was just changing the vibe of the riff.
1:33:48
You start seeing that at this time.
1:33:52
The hype on Dave is definitely well deserved.
1:33:55
>> [laughter] >> For me it's like that feel of it's groovy.
1:34:00
And most drummers the faster you get the less groovy it gets.
1:34:02
It gets more stiff, more straight.
1:34:06
But Dave's always swinging. Any tempo. He's special drummer.
1:34:12
I always felt like that's what separated Slayer from all the other speed metal bands was just the way Dave played.
1:34:16
I loved obviously the songwriting in Slayer regardless but the feel of it was always what drew me energetically to Slayer. The groove.
1:34:28
His fills, the fills that he would play on later albums.
1:34:30
Like that was kind of very straightforward raw Slayer.
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I'm kind of playing these albums from these bands that some of these bands changed along the way.
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But I'm playing their early versions of this band.
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Like I just played that song from Slayer because I wanted to I wanted to set that song up with the Venom. You see the connection.
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So you can yeah, so you can see the connection of how Venom inspired that.
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So I see Venom being an influence on Slayer when I hear that sound but then I hear Motorhead being a key influence for Metallica and making that Motorhead drive with more of the metal kind of riffs and early Metallica. Well, Motorbreath.
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>> [music] >> You can't [ __ ] with early Metallica. I mean it is what it is.
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>> [music] >> Motorhead drive, you know?
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>> [music] [music] [singing] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> I mean what is 82, 83?
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>> [music] >> Heavy as [ __ ] Anyone who heard this for the first time at that time was blown away or it was too heavy for them.
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Like some people wouldn't get it because it's too fast, too crazy.
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What I hear different about that than Motorhead let's say is there's a technical proficiency.
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With Motorhead it's super power slur. Yeah. Distorted bass.
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But James' riffing, strumming really. It's so tight.
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And that's very different than whatever punk rock roots they might have.
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Punk rock really sounds technically tight.
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It's just a different thing. And the skipping also.
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It's like it's not just straight fast.
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It's it's not open chords either. It's muted guitars.
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People call the genre djent.
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Now which I I don't really like that.
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Djent because it's the guitar that goes djently. It's like a whole thing. That's after my time. To be honest.
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Like it's yeah, younger younger metalheads have like, you know, bands [snorts] they call djent. But it's got the djent.
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But you also have to think of the guitar tone was more of a compressed kind of guitar tone.
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It wasn't your regular it's more percussive really. Yeah.
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It's not that rock tone anymore.
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That starts becoming the heavy metal tone.
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So when you mute your guitars there's just like bass behind it.
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There's this tightness behind it.
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You start seeing that at this time.
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>> Do you remember when you first heard Metallica?
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I remember exactly where I was, but I didn't know that it was Metallica.
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Some kids in a parking lot when we were take when we were on a trip to Lake Arrowhead, and I heard faster faster in my head out of their car coming out, and I was like into metal, but I was like, "What is this song? Faster faster."
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I didn't know they were saying master master.
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And then it wasn't until I ran into the cassette and accidentally played the song, and I was like, "Oh my god, it's that faster faster, but they're saying master master."
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