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Today, I'm excited to welcome Rio Lu.
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He's the head of design at Cursor, the leading AI coding tool used by more than a million people worldwide.
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Before that, he was a founding designer at Notion and a product designer at Stripe and Asana.
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Today, we're going to review a bunch of user-submitted websites all built in Cursor, and Rio is not going to hold back. Ah.
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Oh, we got the purple gradients. They're here. Scary. What is this? What is that? Oh, wow, this chart. Sad.
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>> Oh, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah. It's like distracting.
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Oh, yeah, it is very dragony. >> Yep. Let's kill all of those.
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Welcome to another episode of Design Review.
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Rio, welcome to Design Review. Thank you.
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Yeah, thanks so much for joining.
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These are all user-submitted websites >> Mhm.
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from YC founders in the YC community, and they were all at least fully or partially built with Cursor. Nice. So, let's take a look.
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First one we've got is Crunch.
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Mhm, logo looks like Replit. It does, yeah.
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Okay, so AI reimagined for Excel. Get started enterprise.
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>> Why is there like a New York City thingy?
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I don't know, I guess there's a lot of finance people in New York. I see, I see. Oh, maybe that's why. Set the scene for Yeah.
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>> Oh, some buttons jumped out.
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Okay, so we should do that after these things go go over. Yeah. Yeah. Too too early for that. Too early.
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It got my attention, though.
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It does, but not at not in the right time. Yes.
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But it is interesting, like that's a good use case for motion is it can steal your attention, and it can be either distracting or it can be helpful. Yeah.
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Not sure what I'm getting from the hero at all. Yeah.
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And there's tiny text here that says >> [laughter] >> Excel native AI analyst. >> Mhm.
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Um Not sure what it means.
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Okay, used by professionals at >> Mhm. Okay.
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Recognize BCG, there was a Harvard there, INSEAD. Mhm.
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Okay, so it's like consulting and universities.
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>> Did you notice like when you hover the logos are not like showing the right highlight?
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>> Oh, yeah, you're right.
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And then when it goes to like 100% it snaps.
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Like the right way to do it is like you're you're like slotting more things up.
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Right, right, it should just be a continuous stream, right?
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Okay, so they're trying to build some credibility around who uses it. >> Mhm.
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Does your work What's the work?
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Transform your workflow with autonomous Excel agent. >> it mean? What is the workflow? What is this?
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I guess something financial analysts do. Mhm.
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This is moving too fast, I can't tell what's happening here. Yeah.
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>> Okay, it can build anything, DCFs, discounted cash flows, market models, and more.
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Wow, I didn't know what DCF mean.
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Well, these are things where like they're probably speaking to their user, and here you see it again, build a full DCF.
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Um so, their users will probably understand, but we are not their target. Yeah.
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Um there's tabs here that just cuz we happen to be here, I noticed them.
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Otherwise, I don't think I would have even Yeah, I have not noticed them at all. >> Yeah. Okay, let's see.
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They They had a question that they sent in.
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So, they said, "Looking for input on overall quality of messaging and core sections.
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Should appeal to high-end investment banks, investors, and consultants.
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This site was built using Cursor uh and vibe coded by the non-tech person of the team."
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>> Maybe that's why the hovers didn't work. Ah.
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So, messaging-wise, I'm just not getting the message.
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And maybe that's just because we're not the target.
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>> They should talk to the target more and not less like in this vague high level.
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Yeah, I mean, a common pattern is like a sub-headline under here that, you know, sometimes people have like a cute kind of marketing headline, but then if you do that, you should have like a literal sub-headline that explains exactly what the thing is.
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And you should talk to the people you want to talk to. Yes. >> Yeah.
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Otherwise, like, I don't know, it seems professional enough It's not horrible.
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I would say say like the styles and stuff is a little off sometimes.
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Say like you see like here Mhm. versus here. Mhm.
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And they all they do still feel a little sloppy. Yeah.
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Like the icons that are used, maybe like this is like the What What is it?
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Like one of the most popular like AI like AI will just pick that one. >> Yeah, yeah. Tight Helvetica.
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How do you break out of that?
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You know, the AI has a lot of default styles that it likes to go to, and especially for people that are, you know, not as well-versed in design, how do they create something that doesn't feel like it's been vibe coded? Right.
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I think one of the key things is to avoid using like sloppy styles where like the core tokens of your designs.
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You should probably think about it a little bit.
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If you're not sure, actually go go safe.
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Say like you just use system fonts. Mhm.
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>> You let others decide for you instead of like you deciding.
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You want to avoid say all the typical AI slop.
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Say like massive shadows, purple gradients. >> yeah. Purple buttons. >> typography. Yeah.
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Um just clean the the basics up, then with like a really robust like foundational set of tokens and components, AI is able to compose them pretty well. Cool. Well, thank you, Crunch.
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All right, next up we've got Velvet. velvet.
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video Create detailed brand videos with AI. Interesting logo choice. It's like a little face. You can't really see it.
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>> even see it from here.
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So, obviously like the model changing here gets my attention. Mhm.
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Which I guess makes me think like, "Oh, this must be made with AI."
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What do you think about like What do brand video mean?
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I just assume like brand marketing type videos that are not trying to like convert you like buy now, but more trying to like set a tone, establish a brand feeling. Mhm.
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>> It maybe, you know, some of what you were going for with the Cursor website. Mhm.
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Like I'm not sure what I'm looking at. What is this for?
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Is it for like a e-commerce thing? Is it for like a ad?
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And the guy changes his face as they like the the hat lifts up. It's kind of weird.
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Yeah, this one's being choppy for some reason, but yeah, it seems like either people are changing or a background is changing.
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Seems to be the common pattern.
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>> variants of the same thing.
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Yeah, here the clothes are changing.
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>> Right, right, right, right. What is this?
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How is it different from other video models? Yeah. I'm not sure.
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It is true, like they don't give a lot of information up here.
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Um they try to let the videos do the talking. The videos are striking. Yes.
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They seem like high quality. Pretty good.
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>> Yeah, but it's not clear what's exactly happening and like what What if this is their product and what if this is somebody shot a video of these two people?
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>> I want to know like what's special about it.
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What's different from your video thing versus say like Sora?
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Like what what kind of brand videos can I do just here versus other places? >> Yeah.
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And then they're they're book a demo of button, which I assume is the main call to action, is below the fold here.
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>> Click on it, see what happens. >> Let's see. I don't hate it. It's like kind of cute. Yeah.
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But even here, you know, they Yeah, there's no information about like what's going to happen or who you're going to talk to or anything like that.
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Um It's very like obscure. Yep. Okay.
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And now you're asking for money. >> Yeah.
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And I'm not even sure what it is yet.
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Yeah, so I think my biggest takeaway here is there's not enough information here to understand what this is. >> Yeah.
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I almost thought like this was YC cuz that's the more prominent logo than than their logo, which is tiny and off to the >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They should probably like make a better logo {slash} just use like a wordmark. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Or at least make it bigger. Make the logo bigger. Mhm.
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Nobody's ever heard that one. Oh, yeah.
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All right, so main takeaways What is this? What is it?
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Do a better job of explaining what it is. More content.
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Why is it different from the other >> different?
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And be a little more clear around who it who is it for. Mhm.
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A lot of times when people hit a site, you know, they're asking themselves the question, "What is this? Yep. Is it for me? >> Yep. Does it work? >> Yep. Is it credible? Mhm.
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And I have to work pretty hard to figure out the answers to those questions. >> Yes.
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And don't scare them with like money too too quickly. Yeah.
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Let's go to their question here.
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Let's see what they have to say.
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I would like to make sure that the words put on the website correctly emphasize the value of the product. >> Yeah.
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Seems like that was our main focus. Is that Is that now?
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I guess the keywords are detailed brand videos. What is brand videos? What is detailed? What is it?
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And there's literally only six words on the page [laughter] that describe what they do.
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Everything else is about sign up.
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>> There are some hints in the quotes.
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>> Yeah, exactly, but yeah, you don't want people to have to work that hard.
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>> [laughter] >> Actually, those quotes are from artists. Mhm. Awesome.
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Add more content, Velvet, and that will improve. More words.
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Next up, we've got Clavis AI.
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Why is it introducing Strada? >> this was Clavis.
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>> Why is there two names when you're just starting? Like why?
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[laughter] Okay, so my first impression here is that this looks like a template. Yes.
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Uh it almost looks like old school Bootstrap or something like that.
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And then there's a lot of things that >> [laughter] >> look like buttons. Yes.
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>> Yeah, join our Discord, check out our GitHub.
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Backed by YC, product of the day, start free, documentation, sign up button up here. There's a lot of things. >> Yeah.
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So, kill all the distractions. Mhm.
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Make sure that like every single scroll, there is only one main CTA. Mhm.
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There's always like a priority.
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Your main message, what the hell is it?
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The CTAs, and then it's like the proofs. Mhm.
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Or like I want to see what the hell is this like gray box here.
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>> Right, it's just a gray box.
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>> I'm not sure what it is.
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What What is there a gray box and I can't see it?
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Yeah, what's going to happen, right?
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>> Okay, so one MCP server for AI agents to use tools reliably at any scale.
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And it seems like maybe this started as an open source project.
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And now this is their productized version of it.
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I have seen that sometimes where the open source thing is maybe called Clavis AI. >> Ah.
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>> And then their productized version that they're trying to get people to pay for, they give it a different name.
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So I'm kind of curious what that >> maybe.
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>> click through here and see. >> It is called Clavis. Oh, man.
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So I I've seen this before and and I think it just probably adds confusion.
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They should probably just call it the same thing. Just Clavis.
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Okay, and so here we've got a video.
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>> Oh, it doesn't auto play. Tells us tap to play.
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AI agents struggle with too many tools leading to wrong API calls or context overload, higher costs, and limited tool [music] coverage.
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Meet Strata by Clavis AI.
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>> This music gives me like a old like TV ad. >> Yes, yes.
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It's like we just watched an '80s sitcom. >> Yeah.
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Okay, so powering experiences from next gen startups that I actually don't know any of these companies.
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Connect any AI tools on modern MCP infra.
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Okay, so they integrate with a bunch of these.
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>> Maybe this is more important. Yeah.
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>> Maybe you just show all of them like up there. >> There's a cursor. Yeah.
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I feel like you might actually want like a more stable way to see these things. >> Yeah.
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Maybe you just show them all and then there's like quick filters.
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Maybe you actually show them all like here, here, you know? >> Yeah.
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>> Then you can get a sense of what you can do. Mhm. How Strata works.
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Progressive discovery, smart navigation, precise execution.
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>> Not sure what they mean.
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>> That explains it all, right?
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What what are the problems?
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I don't know, but here's why Strata is better. Mhm, better than what?
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Better >> Like you're using individual MCPs. I assume, yeah.
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Then maybe show that like the old world, the new world. What are the problems?
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How do you solve the problems?
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The thing I hate for like a lot of companies, what they do is like they love talking in their own words >> Mhm.
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and with their own concepts that they came up that nobody else understands. >> Right.
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>> Like you just throw these like big words there, but then they don't really mean anything to me.
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Yeah, the best way is to talk to your users and use the words that they understand.
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>> Yeah, you you talk in their language, in their problems, the world they are used to now, and the new thing, how is it different? >> Yeah.
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What are the problems that you solved? Yeah.
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So if users are like, I need a tool for progressive discovery, >> Mhm. then like great.
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>> But nobody's going to say that.
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Yeah, I've never heard anybody say that.
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>> I have so many MCPs, I don't know how to manage them.
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Or like, I don't even know what's there that can help me integrate my agent to other things. Yeah. Oh, wow, this chart.
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This looks like a screenshot from >> Yep.
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Excel or something like that. >> Yeah. Sad. Some dashboard.
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Give me a Oh, woah, woah, woah. Woah, woah, woah, woah.
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Everything's kind of moving.
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>> Yeah, I don't like moving things when I'm not moving.
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>> And when you're trying to read. Yeah. It's like distracting. Mhm.
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I also don't like lines when you don't need lines, like this one. Yeah.
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And you know, headlines Yeah, why is that?
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What most people do is they come down and they're going to read the headlines.
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They're going to say, "Okay, what are our customers say?
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Compliance, investors, Mhm. choose your plan." >> Mhm.
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Like you got to be explicit and assume people are not going to read the sub headline.
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They're only going to read the sub headline if they're intrigued by the headline and they want to Why is that even there? Doesn't make sense.
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>> Trying to build credibility, I assume, >> [laughter] >> but um yeah, it's it's not clear by you.
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More like us money up front patterns. Mhm.
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Is that too early for that? Probably. Yeah.
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You should get them to to sign up and start try trialing.
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Okay, let's let's see what their question was.
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Does our homepage above the fold hero section headline sub headline clearly explain our value proposition in 5 seconds?
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We're worried it's too jargony.
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Oh, yeah, it is very jargony. Let's kill all of this. Yep.
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Kill the video, just show all the MCPs you can connect that uh is just one thing. Yeah.
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And that's probably pretty easy to show that visually, right?
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Just kind of all of them coming into like one Strata logo or something.
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And then maybe like you can actually like keep the little filters there and then you can filter between different set of tools, then you can kind of find the thing. >> Mhm. Yep. Mhm.
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But um I think this sub headline helped.
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I think we read this and we understood what they do. Yeah.
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Maybe make this like the the only headline. Yeah, yeah.
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And then kill your naming confusion, just pick one. Pick one.
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Pick one name, that's it. Yep. Thank you, Clavis. All right, CodeCrafters. Ah.
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Ah, we got the purple gradients. They're here. Scary.
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Become a better software engineer.
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Stop following tutorials designed for beginners.
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Start working on projects that actually challenge you.
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Become a better engineer through deliberate practice. Interesting.
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They don't have the name of the company up here and I said it, but then I forgot it already and I was looking for like, what is the name of this company again?
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And I couldn't find it anywhere on the page. >> Yeah.
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Logo's also very generic. Mhm.
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Doesn't tell me anything. Yep.
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This was a lot to get through here and it was it started out with the negative. Stop doing this thing.
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So instead of saying what they do in the positive, it started out with don't do this, >> Yeah.
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which is not informative for for what they actually do. Yeah.
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I do like keeping things a little like aspirational. Mhm.
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But you do want to communicate clearly what the hell is this. Yeah. I still don't get it.
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Yeah, it seems like learning it's a bunch of practice projects >> Uh-huh.
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to become a better engineer. Ah, I see.
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>> So I guess if you don't have side projects you want to work on, you would use this and this gives you a bunch of projects to build. >> I see I see. That's my guess here. >> Maybe.
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There's a pick a challenge. Okay. Let's see what happens. >> Pick a challenge. Oh, I see. Build your own. That's cool.
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The whole website changed when we clicked through to this, too.
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There's like no continuity from the marketing page to those things.
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>> Yeah, and like if I go to pricing, if I go to roadmap, >> Like even all the colors. >> Yeah. Like the green. Yeah.
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And then the other one is what, like purple?
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Purply purple everywhere.
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Do they actually work with these companies?
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Uh Enjoyed by developers. >> Is that true? I don't know. Mhm.
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I guess we'll take their word for it.
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Oh, wow, this clipping thing is kind of crazy.
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Backed by incredible engineers.
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Okay, so I guess these are some of their investors. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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These are actual Well, he's at Anthropic now, right? >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Right, so that is out of date.
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I would not like modify other people's pictures like this.
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It feels like kind of intrusive. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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And they're all kind of a different style. Right.
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This one's like a professional headshot.
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This one's like a phone photo or something like that, probably.
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>> One trick you can do is like maybe like you knock down all their backgrounds, but keep them like white.
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Maybe you add a filter so that they're all like black and white. >> Mhm.
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Then it kind of standardize the thing without like butchering the picture too much. >> Yeah.
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Hear it from our members. Mhm.
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Engineers at top teams love this. Okay. Okay. Try now.
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For projects that go way beyond the basics. >> Mhm.
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Be in the company of prolific developers.
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Use your favorite tools to code, no limits.
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The world's best got better by doing. Okay, and try now. Okay.
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I'm curious if I click on other links through here, does it go That goes to the YC site. Okay. Um change log. Woah.
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Okay, it goes to their Look, they don't use their name. Yeah, build your own X. Why is that? I don't know.
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I guess cuz people can make a Twitter X kind of thing.
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The X means like anything.
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I think the X means like build your own like X, like build your own Twitter.
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Your own Reddit, your own Git.
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[clears throat] Yeah, I was wondering if they say build your own X because it's people on X and maybe I don't know. >> Uh-huh. Maybe, maybe.
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Maybe one of the projects is rebuilt X.
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Okay, so here perks looks like the homepage. Mhm. How about about? Wait, what is perks?
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Is that like another product or something?
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Their members get priority access and preferential pricing on learning Interesting.
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>> So this is like a learning subscription rather than a tool, maybe.
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Makes me think it's more like a community or something. >> Mhm. Where is the community?
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How do I talk to other Oh, and this pricing one takes me to this page, like in this design. Mhm. Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo.
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Oh, and this just changed, too.
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Now we're in like black and white What is this?
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Are they like doing their own like expense card?
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Yeah, is this a credit card company? Wow.
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>> [laughter] >> I think it's some kind of like learning thing to do projects.
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That's like That's what I've come up with after spending a few minutes looking at all of this and I can't tell But there's the perks thing.
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Yeah, that makes me think it's a community to do something.
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Okay, so be more clear around literally what this is cuz it's not clear right now.
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Um Less purple gradients.
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>> Yes, this looks vibe coded.
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It's got all the hallmarks of it.
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So um something that feels a little more custom custom, I think would be great. >> Yep.
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We somehow kept getting to different versions of the site that all looked wildly different.
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So I think consolidating all of that would be good. >> Yep.
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And then, you know, like a main thing is like a the about page and it links off to their YC [laughter] launch, which is a little bit jarring.
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It feels like, you know, talking about who's behind this product is something you should have a dedicated page on your site about. >> Right.
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>> Otherwise, it makes me seem like this company is so early, they haven't even had time to like build their own about page.
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>> Yeah, one thing I noticed is like I think a lot of them pride on backed on YC, but that is actually not the main thing you're doing.
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Like make people focus on what the hell is the thing. >> Yes. Yeah. Yep.
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That's about the backing and Right.
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Number one is what is this?
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Number two is is it for me?
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Three, you can focus on the social proof and credibility and things like that.
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But yeah, a lot of people are kind of putting it right in the front. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> To the point where you look at it quickly and the YC logo looks like their logo. >> Yeah. Thanks, CodeCrafters.
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YC's next batch is now taking applications. Got a startup in you? Apply at ycombinator. com/apply.
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It's never too early and filling out the app will level up your idea. Okay, back to the video.
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Okay, uh for this next one, let's do more of a lightning round and do some initial impressions >> Let's do it.
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when we first pull it up here. Slashy. So this is Slashy. Oh, it's so slow.
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Also, it looks like Notion mail. Yeah. Okay.
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You obviously have a lot of experience with Notion and Cursor.
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What's your initial impression here?
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A lot of details are not there. What's missing?
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So like if you look at this part, it almost feels like it's the raw like markdown output.
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The UI doesn't really fit with the rest of the thing.
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The video is like clipped wrongly.
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There's like a extra stuff here. >> a white border.
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I think the first impression really matters.
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And anything above the fold just make them as good as you can. Mhm.
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>> Like no you know, obvious detail bugs. Mhm.
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Power of ChatGPT inside your email.
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I would say like the messaging and stuff is pretty clear. Mhm. Actually not bad. Yeah.
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It's more like how you present it.
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Look at all the like say this thing is like not aligned in the same spot.
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These images and the previews all have different sizes. >> Right.
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Some of them have shadows, some of them don't. Yeah.
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Yeah, this one's got a border around it.
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It's a screenshot with a border and the window and then a border around the screenshot.
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>> of like boxes and boxes and boxes.
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Yeah, and it I mean it seems like there's some inspiration taken from the latest Cursor site as well, right?
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With going some of these screenshots and calling out uh It's like the structure is fine. Lacking some details. Um yeah.
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Oh, wow, they're actually stealing like a Notion picture here.
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>> [snorts] >> Yeah, another thing that resonates with me immediately is like they're using Cursor to describe what they do.
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So Cursor for email and then you and then power of ChatGPT >> Mhm.
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and then you come best of Superhuman.
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So they keep calling out all these other products that people may know to describe what they do rather than just clearly explaining what they do and owning it themselves. >> Yeah.
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They almost look like Notion agent and Cursor in one. Mhm.
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But lacking all the details. Yeah.
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The details are what matters.
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And it's interesting you can pick that out from the screenshot too because you've used those products so much, right? Yes. Cool. Thank you, Slashy.
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All right, next up we've got Freya. Oh.
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>> Voice AI that sounds human for enterprise Can I hear it? Uh here we go. It has a start button. >> What does it do?
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What's Is it a phone number?
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It say Freya safely handles inbound and outbound calls from support and service to sales and beyond fluently in dozens of languages 24/7. Should we talk to Freya? Yeah, let's try it. >> All right. Hi there. I'm Freya.
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The voice of Freya voice.
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We're an AI platform that helps businesses automate voice-based customer service.
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Our AI agents handle full conversations end-to-end and sound completely natural.
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Freya voice is perfect for tasks like scheduling, answering common questions, or managing claims.
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Available 24/7 in over 40 languages.
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>> It sounds like my response may have seemed unclear or cut off. Let me try that again.
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Freya voice is platform that automates voice-based customer service with AI agents. What did you say?
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I said like do you speak Chinese?
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Cuz it says fluently in dozens of I was going to tell you to try speaking Chinese and and I think my expectation would be that she would respond back in Chinese, right? Yeah.
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This is actually probably the best one we've seen today. It's very clear. Yeah. Oh.
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They're kind of hijacking the scroll. >> Not sure. Ay yay yay. Okay. Minus five points. >> Yeah.
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Yeah, don't hijack the scroll, but the communication >> Messaging pretty good.
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Yeah, demo really accessible, pretty good. Yep.
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Replace entire call center operations, handle custom use cases end-to-end lead qualification, turn every lead into revenue opportunity. Okay.
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Resolve customer issues before they escalate, built for accuracy you can trust.
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Results that speak for themselves. Okay. Whoa.
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Yeah, I mean it seems like overall the the um messaging here is very clear and I think we understand what they do and I think if we ran a call center an enterprise call center we'd probably consider this and we'd know that this is for us. Yeah.
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All right, let's see what their question is. >> Pretty good.
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Curious how to very clearly convey the information of what we should focus on and give a smooth and simple experience.
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I felt like they did that. Yeah.
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I don't think that's the thing to change. >> bad.
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I would wonder like how to make the the demo even more like obvious. Mhm.
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>> just start right here. Right.
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Yeah, that's the question, right?
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It's like do you want to talk to Freya or meet the team?
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What's the main CTA you want to drive people to?
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It seems like meet the team because that's a button up here and that's the blue button here.
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Um but meet the team is kind of weird, too. Like do I want a demo?
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Do Yeah, like who is the team? Yeah.
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And then where And does this take us? There we go. Alan again. Alan again. Yep. Freya team meeting. Okay.
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Yeah, maybe like book a demo or Yeah, book a demo would be better.
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>> That's the main thing. Awesome. Not bad. >> Nice job, Freya. Okay, Finta.
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Magically simplify accounting and taxes. Mhm.
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Automate bookkeeping, effortless tax filing, real-time insights, set up in 10 minutes, back to building by 5:12 p. m. Very detailed.
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Not sure what's the reference.
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I don't understand the 5:12 p. m. either.
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Um Wait, is it LIKE OH, YEAH. THAT is the time. 10 minutes from now.
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Cool, that's cute, but you know Oh, now it's 5:13.
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Took a little bit to get. Yeah, okay.
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All right, that was clever. Very cool. Okay, um So what? Taxes? >> started.
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Yeah, it's something around simplifying accounting and taxes.
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For like individuals or >> Yeah, so this was not clear to me and then when I go a little bit deeper, it's like automate bookkeeping and so that makes me think more about companies.
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[clears throat] >> startups.
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>> Oh, here we go, right down here.
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>> [laughter] >> For US-based C corps, LLCs, and PBCs. >> Uh-huh.
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Maybe like kind of fold that with the primary messaging. Yeah.
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And then maybe kill the time thing. Yeah.
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And and I think, you know, we're seeing a lot of consistent patterns as we've gone through a few of these, which makes me feel like a lot of these are building effectively the same template, right?
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We got the little thing up here.
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Some people put the back by YC here.
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Some people put we're hiring. We got the blue buttons.
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We got two buttons next to each other. We got a headline.
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We got something else here. We got a logo here.
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We got a screenshot here. >> Yep.
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And so um sometimes for a lot of businesses, that might be good enough, you know?
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Just clearly It's like a pattern that users are used to. They know where to go.
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But you know, sometimes it's helpful if you want to build your own brand and identity and be different and memorable is to break out of that box and come up with something that's like really unique and focused to what you're trying to communicate and get across around how you're different.
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I actually don't mind keeping things like simple and plain. Mhm.
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Just let people scroll, have the messaging be the primary thing, have the product be the primary thing. Yep.
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Um as you scroll, there's like little punch points. Boom. Boom. Boom.
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Maybe you're just like scrolling and seeing some pictures that vibe with that idea. Mhm. So it's not that bad. Yeah.
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And I like this too like tax season with zero stress.
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You know, that probably appeals to the type of person that would be their customer. Mhm.
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And to filed our taxes and claim 17,000 in credits, process was easy. Cool. Not bad. Yeah. They got live chat.
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>> sections break is a little weird to me.
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Like I kind of want these things to be like more under the tax thing. Yeah.
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Like you get this like white section and then there's some grays and then some whites and then some cards on top. Yeah.
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It kind of up the hierarchy. Yeah.
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Yeah, it seems like the full width is like a headline.
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>> Right, it's like a boom. Yeah.
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But then the the line that goes across makes it feel like it's breaking up the scroll.
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>> why Why is this card like all slanted on top?
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>> It looks like it's supposed to be a card sticking out.
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It's like there's some cool visual treatments, but they actually cause some confusion. Yeah.
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Um but generally like visually it looks nice. It looks well organized.
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>> It's like if you look at each of the pieces, it's actually pretty well built.
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Like there's a lot of little details in there. >> Right.
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Yeah, the temptation is to show a big screenshot from far away and you can't tell what's going on.
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And instead they're honing in on the very specific thing.
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That got I would actually do this.
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It's almost like I want to just make these like maybe shrink them and make them more cardy, make them more like parts of the same whole. Mhm.
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Instead of like there's like a lot of things in like flat.
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That's all like kind of moving and doing [snorts] stuff. Yeah.
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All right, let's see what their question is. Does it convert?
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>> [laughter] >> They're going to have to answer that for us, but I don't know.
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I think it communicates what it does.
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My sense is if I were in the market for a product like this, this would appeal to me and I would probably want to check it out.
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So, my hunch is probably yes.
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Maybe just making this more prominent the who is for and making that like ram that home a little bit more I think would be good.
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I would still do a little trick to hide this button until say you're here and then it kind of animates in then you know where it Right, you pay attention to it. Yeah.
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Cuz like I feel like many issue with like say I think here is pretty good.
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Once you pass here is like a little disorienting. Not sure what to do now. Yeah. Cool. Thank you Finta. Last one? All right, last one. Vibe Flow.
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Vibe Flow, let's check it out. Prompt and visually. Okay. Nice. Where's the visuals?
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Um Projects, explore your projects, sign in to see projects.
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All right, well clearly they want us to engage with the product.
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Why why don't you give it a shot? >> Okay. Um Okay, a spinner. It's thinking. Uh Okay. Oh, wow. Showing us something. Charging the electrons.
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>> Is that some kind of preview? >> What is that?
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Is it like a a mini map of a whole page or something? >> Maybe maybe. It's like the canvas. >> Yeah.
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This is one of the core I'm curious how you think about this at Cursor.
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You know, so many products that use LLMs today have this wait.
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And what do you do when the user has to wait Yeah.
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>> it engaging or make it feel like it's going faster?
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I think you want to almost like show every single state that's happening. >> Mhm.
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So like you know, if offer like 29 minutes, what did it do?
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If it does like tool calls, like just show them. Mhm.
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Um but you do want to control like you don't want to show too many things at once where like it just becomes like a wall of text.
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You want to control like uh the things that are running, you show them in a more like focus-able spot. >> Mhm.
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And as it progresses it kind of shows you like uh these are the things that are running, these maybe are the actions I need to confirm, this is my input. Mhm.
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You kind of shift people's focus.
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Um and I don't want these like random empty states with spinners everywhere or like uh in the preview you saw like it was like looping some random messages. Mhm.
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>> But they weren't really helpful. Right.
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They were actually kind of kind of distracting. >> Right.
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So you need to figure out like when things are happening, where do I want people to focus their eyes on? >> Yeah.
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It's hard too because you don't know is it going to come back in 5 seconds or is it going to come back in 10 minutes? Yeah.
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Okay, so this one we hit an error. Let's see. Mhm.
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It feels very like vibe coded the whole thing.
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What gives it that impression for you?
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If you look at all the little details, they don't melt together. Mhm.
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So everything feels kind of disjointed.
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>> Yeah, like there's like weird hover states like with little radius on top and not on the bottom.
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If you look at all these different views, like some of them are like I don't know portals into like iframes or something. >> Mhm.
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This is almost like a vibe code of VS code. Mhm.
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This is pure AI generated UI, you know?
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There's not even like a like not even say you're not using Sassian or whatever.
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Like it's just raw AI output. >> Yeah.
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What do you think this toggle button does in the top right?
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The mystery toggle button. No tool tip either. Ah. What does it do? What does it mean?
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>> it goes full screen and I assume that's the preview. Ah yeah.
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I guess we can't really see much.
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Is it still working or where is it at? I think it failed. Failed again. >> Interesting. Okay. No luck. Sad. This is what I do. Mhm. Ah, this is cool.
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Like little like suggestions. >> Mhm. I might steal this.
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Why is there two spinners? Right.
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Why can't I open the thinking? Huh?
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Why is there just spinning and not telling me what it's thinking? Yeah.
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Also the suggestions came before I did anything. Yeah.
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Okay, so it looks like the core issue is we don't have 3D libraries. Mhm.
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So it's going to try to do a CS basis CSS base. Okay.
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>> That's a very interesting attempt. Yeah. Creative. Flat Earth will Right.
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>> [laughter] >> All right, let's see what their question is.
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General advice on how to improve the design.
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Okay, I think we touched on I guess the problem was before I came in I couldn't even do anything or see anything. >> Mhm.
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You remember like there was the prompt box and then when you scroll down it's like all your projects sign in. >> Right.
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Why not just show people like other people's projects or >> Yeah.
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And then we tried to make something and we got hit with a sign up wall. >> Yeah.
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Just give them like even in real OS you can send three free messages before you sign in.
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Like just let people play. Yeah.
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And maybe make sure that maybe the initial demo is more constrained so that it gives you a better output. Awesome. Thank you Vibe Flow.
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Rio, that does it for the reviews. >> Thank you.
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Thank you so much for joining.
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This was incredible, really great feedback and really appreciate you joining us today.