I think a lot of people let their weight control their lives I didn't think that I was capable of changing and now I know I'm capable of that like I can do anything like I really can't she is a multi-talented entertainment personality I hope everybody's having a gy Monday the one the only Claudia austri what do you feel is the biggest misconception about you I felt so misunderstood by
people I I remember getting married and being like so angry that my dad wasn't going to be there when I was struggling with my self-image I feel like I'm going to cry now sorry um the number one Health and Wellness podcast J shett J shett the one the only J what do you feel is the biggest misconception about you oh wow that's a good question I don't know if I would say there's one misconception I would
say like though largely and there was a period a few years ago because I WR I remember writing about this in my book where I felt so misunderstood by people and I feel like unless you were watching my podcast every day and listening to everything else thing that I said you didn't really get me cuz I like I come off as like a lot of different things like a little crazy a little outlandish
but I feel like the person that I really am is like a sister a wife I feel like kind of gets lost in the mix sometimes I like to think I'm like and I'm always like joking about how funny and sweet and kind and beautiful I am but I really do believe that about myself and I feel like just because I always lead with like humor and a little bit of like outrageousness I do feel like that
softer very what I think is genuine um gets a little bit lost that's so interesting I mean I can relate in so many ways I feel so misunderstood so often and it's because we have a view of what a spiritual person or a teacher or a guide looks like and I think I'm just trying to be people's friend I'm trying to be the person who's just reminding you something yes I feel like your job
title definitely like you lead with that and people have conceptions about that before and I feel the same way like coming from a comedy space especially when you make jokes that like sometimes are a little you know uh people are like oh she's crazy she's radical and it's just like I'm actually just a girl like I'm just a girl and nothing makes me happier than making people laugh and
like sometimes I take it a little far but like it's funny it's funny what's a big deal yeah and and and that's why for me as well it's like I want to help people I want to make people feel better I want to introduce people to great ideas and insights it's not it doesn't have to be heavy it doesn't have to be like every I also love soccer and love fashion and love you know just I'm a
normal human being and it's like I love that balance and I think that's how I see myself as some who has these very nuanced interests and hobbies and everything else but I think naturally we're kind of forced to be in a box yeah you can be B 100% I still believe that I feel like I'm so hard and I'm So Soft yeah I love that yeah at the same time at the same time I and I feel like I'm always leading obviously
because what I do is like just try to make people laugh which I love so I'm always leading with that and I do feel like my sort of sweet sensitive side and I'm very sensitive um I feel like I I I I don't show that a lot and I don't want to show it that much because I feel like on the internet so toxic if you open up about a vulnerability or something people throw it back in your face and
they use it against you so I'm also really protective of my own peace wow when did you learn that you had to do that um I feel like when I first started opening up I feel like the first thing I really opened up about CU I share everything on the internet and it's not hard I don't feel like I'm digging deep to share I'm a like if I meet you for the first time I'll tell you my life
story that's just how I am so I've never felt um like I was sharing something that I wasn't comfortable sharing until I shared my journey with OIC which was so personal to me and you know I got a lot of support for it but there were also people you know you're stealing drugs from diabetics like literally no I'm not and there was like a lot of there's a lot of discourse around that um do people who struggle with their
weight need medication are they stealing medication from diabetes patients so um I felt like scared to share that one cuz I think the emotion I felt most was like I was really embarrassed that when I'd gotten myself to a place where I required a medication and two I did feel a little pushed to share just because it was so obvious to people that I was on it and you know everybody nobody would
let me live no would let me sleep for 5 minutes they're like she's onic she's onic she onic and when I did share I'm I'm ultimately so glad that I did but I I didn't feel at first like it was my choice necessarily that that always feels harder yeah yeah when you feel like you had to share something because there was already so much talk speculation and now when I look back I wish I shared sooner
it's like the greatest journey I went on I have so many positive things to say about it I think when I tell people it makes them feel like a little less embarrassed about their Journey cuz look at me I'm so fabulous and even I did it and I wish I did it sooner and I loved every minute of the journey um but at the time I was so embarrassed like that was just the the the emotion I remember
feeling was like pure shame that's I mean and that sounds like such a hard place to be we actually interviewed I interviewed Yan Harry a good friend of mine who wrote the book The Magic pill he's on ozm pic and he's gone and done all the research from the biggest experts in the space and the naysayers in the space and so for anyone who's looking for a a very reseted guy to Z he
he was brilliant and he talked about it from so many different perspectives but going back to what you said one of the first things that I think so hard for people is how Society has made people feel shameful about their body in general I mean you've talked before about I saw that I I actually couldn't believe this existed but you've talked about going to Fat Camp oh yeah like i'
never heard of my life we never I've never heard of that living in growing up in London like first of all explain to me how you can get away with calling something fat camp and what is fat camp well actually at the time I believe they were going by weight loss Camp not that it mattered like colloquy it's called a fat camp right um and yeah so I went to summer camp my whole life and when I was
like feel like maybe I was in like the sixth grade I don't remember how old I was my older sister was really struggling with her weight I never struggled with my weight as a kid and you know my parents tried a lot of different things and one of the things that they tried was sending her to like a summer camp that was focused on physical fitness I think what people
think of as a fat camp like a fat Farm where like the kids are up every day pulling tires up hills it wasn't like that at all it was a very standard All-American summer camp with Fitness and diet just sort of at the Forefront of meals and activities and all my sisters went to support my older sister and we ended up having like the most amazing time we went back I never went back to the old camp that I had
originally went to we went back every summer it was the greatest experience of my life some of my best friends I still talked to to this day from camp and so I know how it like sounds and looks to other people but for me it was just a regular Camp experience but I also wasn't on the program so for any of the Summers that I spent at a weight loss Camp I was actually never struggling
with my weight so I would wear this special bracelet that just let everyone at the facility know like I'm not on the program um and then it turns out you know the second I left Camp I actually started to you know struggle with my weight and I really could have used a weight loss Camp wow I mean so what was that like then in the beginning years because I think what's interesting as as
we talk about OIC to me so much of it is about how we're conditioned since we're young so I grew up overweight oh did and yeah for I was overweight until I was about like 15 16 years old maybe I can't picture it and yeah I I'll show you pictures I will I will my wife has plenty of embarrassing pictures of me and and she was as well oh really yeah she was as well so let me tell you
people who have never struggled with their weight like are are not people not that there's anything wrong with them but like they're not people I can relate to I feel like struggling with your weight makes you such a real like can I curse on here like I feel people who have struggled with their weight they know real struggle they know being uncom like I just feel I when I meet someone and they've struggled with their
weight like I automatically know they're like they're my type of person you know what I mean well that's that's why I'm I'm sharing my it creates such a resilience like you're seriously especially as a kid oh my God yeah it's huge I mean like I remember the bullying the name calling the awkward thing of trying to pull myself out of a swimming pool and not being able to like you know
moments like that where you're just like oh gosh this is the worst thing that could have ever happened and then being forced to wear Speedos at school so British yeah not in America right that's that's our version of fat camp yeah you have to wear Speedos that's terrible actually yeah and so when I look back at all of that I think about how much shame guilt is already set up just in our
perception of what it means to be overweight and now you're talking about feeling shame of going on a zic which you're taking to do the opposite well it's like you can't win I used to get like so much you know backlash and and messages like that I'm setting a bad example that I live an unhealthy lifestyle so then I take control of it and like I I start changing my life and now I'm you know running diabetics over
with a bus like you really can't win so you just have to do what makes you happy and going on that Journey made me really happy it was like the first time in my life where I ever felt in control of my weight like since I'm like I started getting weight in college so but since I'm 18 I it was the craziest feeling it was so foreign to me and I think a lot of especially girls who struggle with
their weight maybe able to relate to this like I was always a confident person even when you know I was struggling with my weight and I was always really happy in my own body that was like something I really worked on I think a lot of people let their weight control their lives whether it comes to work or personal relationships for me I was never going to let it stand in my
way but that didn't mean that I didn't like that I liked it like I loved myself and I loved my life but deep inside I always wanted to be skinny so when you're an overweight girl like you wake up every day and you think about like you look you pass a mirror you pass a window you're thinking probably a hundred times a day about like the inevitable day when maybe one day you
will be skinny so OIC gave me that like and to achieve a lifelong dream that you never think and I know it sounds so dramatic but to achieve a lifelong dream that you never think is going to come to fruition is the craziest feeling and that's why I really felt so compelled to share my journey because at the time when I shared it was 2023 um I think maybe around the end of the year no it
was like the summer there was so much negative stuff out there about OIC like the Daily Mail every time somebody ended up in the ER with a headache it was oic's fault and I just felt like everybody was being made fun of for being osmic and no one was really talking about how life-changing it is and especially as like a girl who always wanted to be a mom I was I was like I
can't ever get pregnant at this weight I have to lose the weight before I can gain the weight so it just gave me opportunities it gave me a whole new life and I felt so compelled to share cuz it bothered me how negative everything was about this journey like we were all supposed to feel shame like the amount of negative media representation negative mentions of OIC like was supposed to I think shame
people into not doing it and I was like I don't feel like and I think that's why Oprah did her special too her special was really powerful because she's somebody who's benefited enormously from it and you don't hear those stories enough and it makes me so sad so ultimately it was the best decision I ever made going on it and also sharing the journey but at the time I just wish
people had given me like a little bit more space to process it you know did you ever worry about the side effects and and what you because I'm guessing you're thinking about those things as well yeah of course so um when I when it was first brought up to me by my plastic surgeon I was like super intrigued then I spoke to like my primary care physician about it and both of them were
really like down and excited and they wanted me to do it so I felt really good like knowing that my doctors supported it and that's why like I I didn't share from day one because one what if it didn't go well two so it doesn't work for some people so I make this whole big thing I'm going on and then I don't even lose the weight like there were so many factors that play So I I couldn't share
from day one and then when I started to to Dro significant weight I was just then feeling embarrassed that's why I didn't share I was like wow I my life got to a place where it was where I'm so out of control I need medication to get me to stop eating like and that's what I loved about Oprah special was she really dived into like the illness the disease of obesity and how it's like telling
someone to stop eating is like telling a depressed person to just be happy like it's really not in our chemical compound so I felt like the whole journey I was learning about myself I was learning about the disease I was learning about the medication and yeah of course I was worried about side effects but after a couple of weeks when I had minimal nausea and it went away pretty fast I
felt like this was the right drug for me yeah and then what was it that decided to get you off it oh well I had lost the weight and I feel like I was on it for a year and the first six months I just kind of let the drug like do its thing I didn't change my life at all I was like still eating like crap but that's how the drug works you eat like crap but you eat half so I was losing weight and then
halfway through I was like okay now that I've kind of gotten my life a little bit under control let me actually try and change my life so I joined the gym I got a trainer I started working out I started eating way healthier so I did the journey like in two parts one where I just kind of let the medication run me and then where I Ed the medication as like a a tool to change my life and I
really wanted to see if I could do it without and I also knew that I had wanted to get pregnant sometime soon and you have to be off the medication for a minimum of two months so I got off of it in December of 2023 I knew in the next year I'd wanted to get pregnant and I kind of wanted to put as much time between being off the drug and starting my journey and I wanted to see like if I
could keep up with my working out and my eating well regimen without the drug and I was able to and that's like one of the things I'm most proud of cuz like and I never would have been able to get there if it weren't for the the tool of OIC and all those gp1 medications having a relationship that I felt really solid about but also somebody who just loved me so much it just made me believe like
what he was saying the only thing I feel like I'm mourning is my body like that nobody talks enough about like what it's like to lose significant weight and then get pregnant as a woman it's not like you know you give birth and then you go back to work it's like a 2-year thing from conception to the like till you really start to feel like yourself again especially when your job is like being
public and people have so much to say about your body like I don't necessarily didn't want to put myself through that how has it changed you because you like you said you already confident you already liked yourself you knew who you were what's changed I mean I'm insufferable now like no I think that so much of my confidence was like I really had to work at it do
you know what I mean it was I don't want to say fake but I just remember one day waking up and like deciding to be confident and slowly by slowly Brick by Brick I built up a sense of confidence that really it was real but I do think it was built on a foundation of like kind of lies and now that I like really changed my life I felt so confident but I also felt so confident that I was capable of change I
think for many years I'm such a stubborn person I I didn't think that I was capable of changing anything anything let alone this huge thing for me which has always been my weight which has kind of been like my Roman Empire so I think the fact that I successfully changed something in my life something bad and turned it into good like that and now I know I'm capable of that like I
can do anything like I really can I love that attitude but but how did you build that energy before like I I don't want to take away from the fact that even though you say you were faking it obvious ly it was working in that you were still doing well it seems like you were comfortable in your own skin like what would you say to someone who maybe doesn't have doesn't want to go on a
zemp because they're scared or whatever it may be but like what would you say with them so I feel like people don't like my answer because when I was like struggling with my self-image I feel like I'm going to cry now sorry um so much of my confidence I would say like all of it came from the fact that I had a husband or a boyfriend at the time fiance who loved me so much and he thought I was like the greatest thing
and so if he thought it and look at him like I just I love him so much and so he thinks I'm so great like that's not that you should get your confidence from a man whatever but like I did just to be loved so um unequivocally by somebody who I think is so great um that gave me a lot of confidence like he thought I was the best he thought I was the smartest he thought I was the prettiest
so like I was cuz his opinion is the only one that matters but also like I look at him and I think of him as like so Charming attractive like who wouldn't want to marry him and he likes me like oh my God I must be like the greatest thing ever and and I really feel like so much of my confidence and it's so funny cuz he says that he gets Confidence from me which I feel like really happy that
it's a two-way street but having a relationship that I felt really solid about but also somebody who just loved me so much really um it just made me believe like what he was saying do you know what I mean what's interesting to me is just so much of how whether it's body shaming we do to ourselves or that Society does to us how so much of it is built up around Aesthetics and visuals
and how health and vitality are actually not based on simply visuals no but I will say visually at the time like if you were to just compare me visually now and me visually then like I was very unhealthy like I had a lot of random medical issues that like a 25-year-old girl shouldn't be having so I agree with you that like a lot of times we judge People's Health based on their weight
and that's not the case for everyone but to be clear like it was the case for me like I was not healthy I did not walk to work like I was really like living a very inactive unhealthy lifestyle that's not the case for everyone you see who's overweight but that was 1,00 the perc the case for me yeah and now what's the new schedule oh well now I'm pregnant so like it's kind of reverted back but so not pregnancy wise I just
really like lead my day with little pockets of activity I think that like meet going to meetings going to work like I'm always being like okay I'll walk um I worked out like before I got pregnant I worked out like you know three to five times a week um I would spend my weekends like doing things that I enjoy whilst being active like going for walks in the park with Ben just like
making sure that I wasn't rotting in bed as much as I can I'm capable of because I'm capable of a great deal of rotting um and then with meals that's really where I probably struggled the most but just just trying to be a little a little bit more well-rounded I feel like I eat like a six-year-old and so I do like I eat rice and chicken fingers and so just changing sometimes to like brown rice
and Grilled Chicken you know thinking a little bit more but it's hard cuz I'm such a picky eater that you know I'm not going to be making bronzino on the weekends with like an a tood you know that's never going to happen I don't even know what tood is and then I mean as I'm hearing you speak I'm just like is there a a lot of people talk about this right now like this idea of when you become pregnant
is there like a loss of the life you had oh my God 100% like is there a feeling of like wait a minute just a few moments ago a few months ago I was I would say I don't feel I I really I mean I've been married for uh hundred years and we decided to wait to have kids and I think that because we made that choice I am now not spending my pregnancy and you know hopefully the next year or two
mourning a life I feel like I lived life to the full and I really really waited till I was ready so the only thing I feel like I'm mourning is my body like that nobody talks enough about like what it's like to lose significant weight and then get pregnant I don't know how I feel about it I don't have like fully flesh thought outs I'm like struggling every single day but no I don't I don't
feel sad about like a life left behind I feel like I lived every minut minute of my 20s like on the edge of cliffs going on trips partying like doing everything I wanted to do and when I turned 30 over over the summer I was like you know what I I'm done like I really feel and that's what I'm so happy about cuz yeah I like see my friends with kids and I'm like oh I do wish I had like you know joined
them but I feel so fulfilled in that one chapter of my life that I'm really ready to start the next chapter yeah what was the reason for putting kids off in the beginning what was the I I would say it was mostly career I've been working since I'm 18 and I just could not fathom taking time off and I I don't know it just it really scared me it doesn't scare me so much anymore but also the
weight thing played played I could not fathom at my previous weight getting pregnant I think it would be a high-risk pregnancy one and two like I think it would take me to a new weight a new category that I might not be able to come back from so I always knew I had to figure it out before yeah and OA came to me at like the perfect time yeah I think the first thing you mentioned I relate
to that is obviously me and my wife don't have kids yet and we'd love to one day but I think a big thing for me also was I was very clear on who I was when met and things were kind of going in the right direction for me and then my wife I was like really patient and I really wanted her to find her purpose before we had kids because I wanted her to know who she was and know her identity and
have Clarity on her worth and her value and everything before we have a child because I just felt I was like I want her to also live a life and what that looks like and you know in the past couple of years she's just like Blossom and grown it's been so fun to watch and it's like now I'm like yeah now now you know from when we're lucky to have children it's more you can conceive it
right totally yeah and and that you're coming at it from a point of like I know who I am without anything yes uh and I think that was so important to me for her I already had it myself and also the career thing right like as as a woman it's not like you give birth and then you go back to work it's like a 2-year thing from conception to the like till you really start to feel like yourself
again especially when your job is like being public and people have so much to say about your body like I don't necessarily didn't want to put myself through that like I really wasn't ready for it so I cannot recommend enough waiting till you're really ready and I know that that's a privilege but like I I'm so pleased with how it's worked out so far and I'm really really glad that I
waited because I I remember I always used to say like I wanted to have kids when I was 25 and I remember sitting at my friend's couch and I was like drunk and he was like by the way like when do you want to have kids I'm like when I'm 25 and he was like how old are you I'm like 25 so maybe maybe when I'm 26 and I don't know I I always I've always always known I love kids like my niece and my
nephews are my whole life like I've always known that I wanted to be a mom and then I started to get a little worried because I didn't feel it I'm like oh crap like I I was so annoyed at the biological clock and I was so annoyed at Co it like took two years for me that like maybe if Co hadn't happened I would have been living my life those two years and been ready when I was 28
but I was like crap no and I got a little worried that I was never going to be ready um because I know it's something that I want and that's why I feel so grateful that I very naturally came to to the conclusion that I'm ready and my husband was amazing about like if I had said him 5 years ago let's have a kid he'd say okay if I said to Tim this like he was really let me lead which I
so appreciate he never put pressure on me to like either wait longer or hurry up same with our families like nobody really tortured us about it and I know a lot of girls get like endless harassment from their parents and their in-laws like I didn't get that and I'm so grateful cuz I really came to the conclusion on my own so no I don't I don't like look around and I don't look at social media and see people like you
know on trips and flying out of planes and think oh I wish that was me I'm like you know what I did my time honestly that video makes me tired I want to go take a nap walk me through that internal dialogue of like how do you get to that place of feeling ready I think so many of us are waiting to feel ready in life whether it's waiting to feel ready to start a podcast whether it's waiting to
write your book whether it's waiting to have a kid whether it's waiting to get married and you're we're just waiting yeah but we never feel ready for most of us I know walk me through what you feel being ready means I feel like jealousy is a really powerful emotion and I started to feel like I might be ready to start a family when like I would hear about other girls that I knew friends
people telling me and up until that point when people would tell me I would be so happy for them like I would cry like really genuine and I remember the first time it was like December of 2023 one of Ben's friends who um his fiance excuse me wife is one of my good friends they told us that they were pregnant and I was so happy for her but like I was a little jealous and then I was like oh
that's interesting and that's why I feel like it's so important to like listen to yourself and be able to identify emotions cuz I was like okay okay let's jut that down I told Ben I'm like by the way I'm a little jealous of Natalie he was like oh that's great and that was in December that was actually when I decided to get off OIC and I was like okay good to know and then I just
started like listening to my feelings and when other people would tell me I'd be like damn now I'm starting to feel a little left behind and so really it was my own emotions that told me I was ready and I've always been very good at like identifying my own emotions and like thinking how does this make me feel am I pissed am I happy and that's really I would say how I knew
yeah but it it was a struggle it feels like you're someone that always knows you ready though because you got what married at 23 yes I got married very young I got engage me and Ben met when I was 18 we got engaged when I was 21 so we dated all throughout college and then 23 yeah when I got married how did you know Ben was the one and you were ready to get married then it just wasn't even
a question honestly I would have gotten married sooner like I know it sounds so crazy and it is but we met when I was 18 so I was a freshman in college and then when I was a senior I wasn't allowed to get engaged in college it was like girl get a degree and then we could talk so I graduated in May and then Ben and I got engaged in June it was I know it sounds it was four years I was like I'm
ready like let's go like I knew like from day one that Ben was love of my life it took him I want to say like three months to know that I was love of his life but it's okay some people you know were all on our different Journeys we all have our own P um I'm you and my wife's Ben yeah no I I try not to like hold resentment I'm like oh yeah I remember that time you didn't think I
was so cute like okay you don't like me um I don't know I just I just knew and it's so crazy cuz we met when I'm 18 I'm 30 now so there is a huge part of my life where Ben isn't a factor but I don't even remember it's like before Ben and after Ben like I don't remember it's weird if I like tell him a story and he wasn't there I'm like ew where were you like you I I actually feel like we're related and we might be
but like whatever um I it's the craziest thing I can't really explain how I knew but I think when I when we first met I was like so excited to have a boyfriend cuz like I loved watching movies growing up I'm like oh my God I'm literally share from Clueless I finally have a boyfriend and was so obsessed with the idea of having a boyfriend and like the fact that there was this person who
wanted to spend time with me and I was so excited about it and then like I I feel like our relationship we really grew up together so the longer we were together and the more time we would spend it was like becoming abundantly clear like we really had the same values and we really are the same person and it's so funny because Ben is so funny but he's married to me so it's like good
luck um and I would say if he had married anyone else he would be the funniest guy in every room but people say to me people have known Ben for like 3 years like by the way Ben's funny I'm like no I know but he can't get a word in with me um he's just the best and I I honestly I know it sounds so crazy to have gotten married so young um and when we were getting married I I grew up in a
modern Orthodox Jewish community so it really wasn't that crazy most of my friends have been married around the same agees me um but when I would meet like people you know regular uh secular folk um they would think it was so crazy and I remember like being offended when people would say that I'm like you don't know me and Ben you don't know but let me tell you something the older I've
gotten the more I learned like we work crazy yeah um we've changed so much you know and when people say like not to get married young like they're right for that they're saying it for a reason I think that the way it worked out for me and Ben is really not how it works out for most people because I'm so different oh my God I used to be so annoying if you can imagine it like I was just such
a different person and so was Ben you know I was like very insecure and I don't know I just was weird and I and I grew up I think into a person that's amazing but I grew up to be somebody a little different and it's possible that I had grow that I would have grown into somebody that Ben didn't like and it's possible that Ben would have grown into he was 21 that he would have grown into
somebody that I wasn't particularly into but we really made a conscious choice to like grow up together so I understand why people said that and they were probably right for that but we're different sorry we just are we are no I I I think that's really fair point and I think even RI was 25 when we got married I was 28 and even that is somewhat it's still you know it's and it's like it's it's the same for us
like we were sure you know it worked out for us but I would say I knew myself very well Ry knew herself enough at the time she's definitely grown I've kind of stayed the same and so there is a sense of like sometimes you get lucky and you're fortunate and you're blessed and it's beautiful and sometimes it can be really hard and crazy and I and I think what I'm hearing from you is just like
it's not an issue if whether you're the rule or the exception or whichever one you think you are the the point is just be thoughtful about it like be because you don't want to you don't want to rush into something too young yeah I also think Ben's a really patient person and I definitely did not know who I was literally until I would say a year or two ago and I think I led with that like
sort of insecurity and he was very patient with me and he was still like dealing and growing with his own thing but I don't know if in those early years if I was like the best version of myself and I think that he really saw in me who like my potential and was very um measured and really patient so it takes two people to tango and he definitely is like the Kinder patient one in the
relationship and I'm a little bit more like rough around the edges if you can imagine and he I I I I would attribute a lot of our marital success to to him I love how much you love Ben he's the best yeah it's amazing I can't wait to meet him oh my God you've never met him he's downstairs obviously on a call like let me tell you my husband is always on a call I don't know who the hell he's
talking to literally this morning he doesn't answer the phone for 40 minutes I'm like where are you he's like I'm walking the dog I'm on a call who the hell are you talking to I can't no it's it's lovely to see how much you love him like it's it's really beautiful thank you I will say like one other reason why you shouldn't get married young is I have oddly made so many lifelong friends
much later in life and these people weren't even at my wedding it's the weirdest thing like and some of these at my wedding like girl I don't know you get out of here and they're like in my pictures and also I wish IID waited cuz like if I had been on OIC at my wedding photos I would have been a lot happier with the end results of the pictures but that's my fault that's my
fault no I can so relate to that I'm I'm at that I'm at that stage where I've got a a lot of friends who are older than me and they all are renewing their vows right now and they literally were like Jay you weren't at my wedding but I love that you're here how weird because friends change so much from when you get married to so much and I feel like there's a point in your life where like
you you have made all of your friends and 21 was not that for me at all yeah cuz you haven't you haven't worked enough yet enough and so many of my like best lifelong friends are people I've met through work how's that how does that what I like my some of my best friends like Brian and Taylor like I met they were guests on our show you meet a lot of people and like you know the reputation of podcasters content
creators influencers like is what it is for Reon like some of them are insufferable but some of them are just like the most fabulous people you'll ever meet in your entire life and that's my friends Brian and Taylor and they were not at my wedding and sometimes I'll think about that and I'll be like we should have waited yeah I should I should have listened to everybody well
you give new ass I know but you know they do say that's a curse I don't know if that's just for the Real Housewives but every Real Housewife who has ever renewed her vows ended up divorced really just fun fact that's a fact yeah wow it's a fact but it's like it's a fun fact I don't plan on renewing my vows also I feel like vow renewal is like an inherently non-jewish thing like Jewish
people don't renew their vows I don't know a Jewish single Jewish person that's renewed her vows oh interesting yeah I don't know if it's like in the Bible or anything I just feel like it's not culturally Jewish interesting got it okay understood understood yeah it's a I I guess yeah I I've I I'm always trying to convince rad that I want to do it and she's like yeah of course you want
another wedding cuz you didn't plan the last one oh one I'm so with her on that although the only reason I would do it was to would be like to get new pictures cuz I was like so ugly at my wedding it's kind of like one of my biggest regrets I think Ry would do it for new pictures cuz she want even though she looked absolutely gorgeous she's still she's evolved yeah she but I guess they are it's a time
capsule you know it's a moment in time not a moment I want to remember there are a lot of things about like what people consider a boring corporate life that actually a somebody without a lot of like without a lot of that I'm very envious of especially when I'm like entering this phase of my life like me and my husband both have our own companies like we don't have maternity
leave we leave and the company suffers do you know what I mean there is something lovely about a boring job that doesn't keep you up all night that you can set boundaries with that pays that makes that pays your bills and you don't owe any you don't run the company if things are going south that's literally not my problem like there is a piece in that when you do this line of work and
nobody teaches you how to do your taxes not me getting a bill from the government like in 2018 for like $100,000 and unpay taxes yeah and my biggest fear is going to jail how do you decide what parts of your life to share publicly and what parts to keep private I generally just lead with what I'm comfortable with like if I wouldn't be ashamed to tell the person next me on the train then and I I don't really feel
shame about a lot of things I feel like maybe that's something I could and should work on but no the I would say the OIC thing is like the one thing I really had to push myself to share but for the most part I share what's comfortable and I'm just I'm an open person I I think that some people find that inconceivable but I just am so it's easy for you but you were saying earlier
that there's there's times when you're like oh this could be judged this you know like this could be misconstrued so and I think that's a really valid point I appreciate you being so honest about it that's why I'm raising it because I think at one point we were in this phase where we're like vulnerability means you share everything with everyone and I don't subscribe to that definition of vulnerability I think
vulnerability is actually I know why I'm sharing it with this person and I feel safe to share it there and so I think that society's had to evolve and then you also see performative vulnerability where people are like literally telling a vulnerable story only because because you think you get rewarded for it totally exactly which then ruins the purpose of vulnerability because then
it's not vulnerable so it's like this messy space where I'm trying to I'm constantly reflecting on like what's truly vulnerable how comfortable do I feel about it what does that mean yeah I guess then like I I wouldn't categorize myself as a particularly vulnerable person because when I share things even things that are deeply personal I I don't feel like it's a big deal do you
know what I mean I'm just an that's just how I am yeah so I would feel weirder not telling people things yeah like even when I was trying to conceive with Ben I do a podcast every day and I'm always talking about what's going on in my life in my marriage and and it was this huge part that I wasn't sharing and it felt so deceitful it was so foreign to me because I'm so used to saying yeah last
night I did X Y and Z and my color my underwear is purple like I'm such a sharer that actually not sharing is what makes me uncomfortable yeah and why did you not share that what was the you know what it's it's like a Jewish Superstition thing like on culture indan culture has that it felt um private yeah you know yeah yeah yeah no no I I think Indian culture and Jewish culture are
very similar has a lot in common and yeah there's definitely there are definitely certain things that you don't share and you don't want to open up too much about you wait till they're real and taking care of yeah exact yeah no no I respect that and I get that I think it's I I think it's healthy for people to you know find I I just I just want to encourage people to think about you know
whether they're a public figure or not who you share what with is so important and just don't don't fall into the Trap of oh everyone's being vulnerable that's what it means to you know yeah I think that's like a byproduct of the internet is like nobody really keeps anything to themselves anymore and I think what started out as like a genuinely like good initiative to like open up about
things is now like we're all sharing we all know a little too much about each other you know and feel let's pull back yeah sometimes I watch some like well she didn't tell us that like I don't think there was a need for us even myself like today on the podcast I was like I gotta go I gotta poop and it's like why would I say that and just say it again do you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah and and also one thing's
really interesting to me I had a friend I was at a friend's birthday last month and he said to me he was like Jay like I I no it's like you never post what we're doing personally and privately and and I said to him I said it's because I'm really lucky I think my my public life's amazing but my private life's better than my public life and I imagine a world in which I'm sitting in an old
rocking chair talking to my grandkids and talking to family and sharing these stories that no one knows anything about and there's something about that feels really sacred and special to me and I really want that because I remember years ago sitting with someone and I'm not even family or close with him but I remember sitting on a beach with him and he was an older man I was in my late 20s
he was probably in his late 60s and he just had so many life stories to share he wasn't famous he wasn't well known and he just had all these cool stories that I was like no one's going to know these but he gets to live them every day and there was something about that I was like I want to have memories that are only mine like that was important to me I think that um that's something I learn
as I get older but it also makes it complicated when sharing is your life um and I feel like there used to be a time when I would literally be sharing a piece of content every 30 minutes I would have a cocktail and post which is like so dangerous and stupid um but now what was the craziest oh my God used to be like blackout in a Drive-Thru at waterburger in Texas like blackout
ordering like a crispy chicken biscuit like whatever like and it was just I looked so scary and I catch up all over my face like and I think that's why people you know that's why I have a lot of the following that I do they loved that life but that's not my life anymore and it occurred to me like several years ago that I didn't have to share every thought that I have one was getting me
in trouble and two like yeah some things can just be like thoughts or memories or things that you keep to yourself and so I do feel like my strategy has shifted but it's tough when that's also how you make a living yeah you know yeah yeah yeah that's yeah so how do you balance that I'm working on it yeah it's hard um it is hard I think that I've gotten much better and I look at it a lot like this
is my job we're putting out content like for the job but it doesn't have to be like the most authentic 100% 360 degree view of my life like I can have things for myself that's it's it's good to know you're working on it that's the point right it's like none of us have figured it out no if I went back and watch like an Instagram story from 2019 I would die I would I was out of control like I just used to
say so many things like stop talking okay stop like not everything needs to be shared one thing I want to dive into with you we've talked about OIC we've talked about pregnancy we've talked about marriage and and of course we can keep talking about those but I think what often happens with someone like yourself and I I'm projecting because I feel this happens to me sometimes but
I'm projecting this idea that people don't see the hard work from a business perspective the strategy perspective the sleepless nights the growth like you've built something incredible thank you and it's shadowed not in a bad way but it's overshadowed by this amazing Persona that you have and your charisma and your aura and everything else right it's like it's that's what we're watching and
that's what we're captivated by but there's a really thoughtful business person behind it who's and and I don't mean that from a oh you're just figuring how to build a business I don't you mean yeah I mean it from like a you've you've figured out how to turn a Tumblr right page into you know bu yeah exactly which which is really amazing and I think so many people today want to do that right
so I wanted to kind of go back to the start and ask you like what did you want to be before go with no job that's a great question I almost like didn't have time to figure it out so I started this tumbler in um freshman year of college which is when people figure out what they want to do and it very slowly but also quickly like became something I was making money off of so much so by the
time I graduated I was making like sponsored Instagram posts for a fee that would have been my salary if I ended up with like a job in media and at the time like content creation was not a job so when I made the decision it just made no sense like to sit at a desk and earn a living that was comparatively small to what I was pulling for my Instagram but people were just like they couldn't
believe it they're like it's not going to last forever it's not and I'm like maybe but maybe what if I just ran with it and it was really like inconceivable to people that I was not getting a job postgrad and that I would be like on my phone and I understand why because right after that I was making a really good living but I was doing nothing like I was home all day and I was watching a
lot of TV and I was like recapping it and writing funny blog post and I was making money but I was not doing anything like I had no structure to my day I did not set an alarm and it was lovely but it was not fulfilling and I knew that it wasn't a sustainable way um and that's why when we started the podcast I loved it so much for a million different reasons but it gave me
structure it gave me a day like and and now even to this day I very much operate like on Monday to Friday 9:00 to 5 I work 40 hours a week like every other American like and I think some people run from that sort of convention but when you didn't have it it was like kind of horrible so I crave that sort of structure inability like seriously if you're looking to answer an email for me
after 5 o' I'm not answering like I have boundaries and I love that my life kind of mirrors that conventional work life but that was a goal that Jackie and I like set because this line of work well yes it can be very lucrative it is kind of nuts and it can be a little unstable you have a month where you get a ton of work and a month where you don't get so it was fun for a girl who was 21 but I
knew it wasn't going to be like a sustainable way to live but the funny thing is that I think there's like a large you know misconception that like I work an hour a day people are always saying that to me like it's like when you say someone from SNL Works an hour a week like well no you see them an hour a week you see me 1 hour a day on the show but there's so much that goes into
running a show of that size and also it's not the only thing that I do I I'm not bothered so much that people think I don't work like whatever you know like sorry you're dumb you don't know how the industry works like I work hard okay have you ever had a real job oh my God okay so yes like in the sense that throughout high school and like summers in high school I was a camp counselor I
worked at a toy store by the when I went to college all through four years of college I worked I had an internship um like a paid 5 day a week internship at a media company it wasn't internship but it was structured at like a corporate job so yes I did work in a corporate office for four years never like full full-time because I was part-time student and I probably would have worked at that Media company postgrad if I
didn't decide to become a full-time content creator um so like yes and no yeah what did you learn from the toy store The Internship that toy store was not for me like seriously gift wrapping is Hell on Earth I still can't do it and honestly when anybody asked me to wrap a gift I actually have Trauma from that store really yeah it was horrible like that stupid gift wrapping section like
no matter how many times somebody showed me how to do it like I could not do it here I am trying to make this amazing point that you learn alling I was trying to put for this idea that maybe you picked up all these really cool skills that help you in your career today but actually I will say like working at a toy store like having having to talk to strangers like who you
don't know and like pretend like you know what you're talking about that builds character that builds actually like a great personable Vibe um in the corporate space I feel like I learned much honestly I I liked the free lunch like it was amazing it was one of those big companies that gives you free lunch and there was snacks everywhere like free snacks I was always eating goldfish and
M&M's and I liked I don't know actually my sisters worked at the same company it was this huge company with like different media companies within it so they all worked at different companies so we all would have lunch together I have very fond memories of that time and I think it's a good corporate like media especially that's like a lot of women it's um it's a good environment to learn
how to talk to people learn how to deal with like workplace Antics and people's personalities and sometimes I do miss like I think there's a lot of stability that comes with a corporate job especially when you're thinking about like motherhood I mean some of these over here with their six months paid maternity leave like that is a joy and their a corporate health insurance there are a lot of things about like
what people consider a boring corporate life that actually as somebody without a lot of like without a lot of that I'm very Envy as of especially when I'm like entering this phase of my life like me and my husband both have our own companies like we don't have maternity leave we leave and the company suffers do you know what I mean there's no built-in we have our own twers health insurance it's
expensive and it sucks okay like people there is a little bit of that privilege from the corporate life and I know people who are in corporate would look at someone like me and be like oh I always wanted to be my own boss and it's great but you know there's no insurance yeah there's pros and cons either way there is 100% And I feel like I'm only as I get older appreciating the pros of
that sort of what people would say more stereotypically boring life yeah I I and and I think that stigma needs to go as well I think that there was this whole cultural shift towards entrepreneurship quit your job build your passion and it's like I don't think either is for everyone and I think we've kind of made like I we put we've put more value on the the lad the entrepreneurship correct
but to be clear I feel like we did people a disservice when we did that because there is something lovely about a boring job that doesn't keep you up all night that you can set boundaries with that pays that makes that pays your bills and you don't owe any you don't run the company if things are going south that's literally not my problem like there is a piece in that yeah now you don't have as much creative control
who cares yeah and also just like I I think about this very often like I couldn't do anything without my team my team are all employed right like and it's like I couldn't last without them so is that like one of the best parts though of being a business owner is like other people making their living from you I love it it's the best feeling in the world it's the craziest feeling yeah
it's the most fulfilling feeling I and I know I couldn't do anything without them which is why I value I'm like are we GNA push entrepreneurship you know to the hill but it's like what would we do without our amazing team members like I I know I wouldn't survive my chief of staff was like unwell for like a week and I was just like I was like I don't know what to do right no that toxic like
hustle culture entrepreneurship I'm not a fan of yeah and but was there ever a time you had to do it was there ever time you did have to work 24/7 before when when things started to really blow up for me but it wasn't this like standardized economy like it is now like there's a formula you blow up on Instagram you get an agent you get a manager you get a rate card you get a
Media Kit like no that was like not the case for me so when things started to work really quickly I was doing all my own deals I did not have a publicist I did not have a manager I did not have an agent I didn't have an assistant I it was literally just me and it was manageable because it was my full-time job but I don't know about like I'm literally 17 like somebody help so I was just kind of making it up as I
went and I think people really underestimated me because I was advocating on my own behalf I was 18 I'm much better now but I used to have like a really thick Long Island accent and I was just like every other word out of my mouth is like and totally and it's not necessarily giving you you know businesswoman so I would get underestimated a lot and it was a unique
time now the girlies and boys but mostly girlies who end up doing what I do now it's kind of all set up for them but at the time it wasn't a thing people like a brand would reach out and based on like if it was a brand I heard of like one of the first Brands I ever worked with was Burger King and they're like how much would you want to and I was like $1,000 and they were like okay and I was like
$1,000 I bought a purse I was like and then I forgot like I had to pay taxes but whatever um and that's another thing by the way when you do this line of work and nobody teaches you how to do your taxes not me getting a bill from the government like in 2018 for like $100,000 and unpaid taxes yeah and my biggest fear is going to jail but yeah that's another thing they don't tell you
and nobody teaches you you kind of just have to learn along the way now I feel like it's pretty set up where if you join this line of work there are certain business managers and accounts who know how to do this but at the time when I was getting started it was like girl you're on your own good luck have you ever been close to going to jail no um no if only I was that interesting like when I was a senior in
high school I went to go visit my sister Jackie um at college and it was a flight so I packed up my things I didn't have a so I grew up in Manhattan so I didn't have a license at the time which used to make traveling really hard because I didn't have any form of identification I used to give them my high school ID they're like this is not legally admissible so i' be like I don't have a
license sorry I'm literally 17 and I don't have a driver I don't have a driver's license and for some reason they pulled my bag and they were going through my wallet and they found my fake ID and they were like I thought you didn't have now now I realized they were like doing this to scare me but at the time I thought I was really going to jail they brought a cop out she wants to
call my parents she go she's swiping my hands you know when you ever get like that and they're like you tested positive for uh explosives i'm like what are you talking about I'm literally a high school student wait how do you test positive for explosiv I don't know I mean I had gotten a manicure so I imagine there was like some chemicals on my hands but like it was so they were really trying to scare
me and this police officer was like listen I think you're a good kid I'm going to let you go and I ran for my life I was so afraid but I was never I didn't break the law I didn't say that this was my idea it could have been my cousin Sandra like it was the scared most scared I've ever been in my life and probably the closest I've ever gotten to going to jail which is like not that
close still it was scary it was scary and let it be a lesson to any of the miners listening like put your fake ID in your check bag got it yeah put your fake ID in your check bag don't say I never taught you anything what advice would you have like you were saying like it seems like and I agreee with you there is more setup we kind of I think our careers actually we didn't know each
other then but they took off around the same time mine was 2016 as well I was a lot older I was 28 okay so like 27 28 so you had like a pretty good idea of the world yeah to some degree for sure I mean I never knew a person I'd never known anyone who' worked in entertainment anyone who' worked in media anyone who'd done outside anything outside of London so it was a whole new world for me completely but you're right
there are more systems today than they were then what what advice would you have for people who are at the age you were when you first blew up like 17 18 years old because that's happening more and more now but you were more of an anomaly that's become now I'm old in the space yeah I have two really hardcore pie yeah I mean you're ancient sorry um I have two extremely important pieces of
advice if you find yourself wanting to get into this line of work like I don't care who you are where you're from what you've done delete all your old social media posts like none of it is going to age well it's going to come back to bite you in the ass and it's going to ruin your life like if I had to go through what I went through like everybody found my old tweets and they were like oh my
God she's crazy delete your tweets I can't believe people are still having their tweets girl delete your tweets like stop that's the first second of all is every dollar you make put 50 cents in an uh savings account for your taxes because that's depending on where you live like that's what it is it's half and the good thing is sometimes you save too much and then you get a little
left over but just know if somebody pays you $100 you got 50 yeah very pragmatic advice well the taxes ever in my life like oh tell me about when when before I had a business manager trying to do my own taxes with like an old school accountant who like I think I got from like a family member they had no idea what I did for a living and so I was underpaying I was Under reporting I was
not getting any like 1099s from the brands that I work with it was such a mess it was the Wild Wild West so much so that years later I got that huge bill and it was like the worst thing to ever happen to me I almost had to go on a payment plan with the government like it was so crazy and I think that happens a lot in entertainment especially this like new wave of social media
entertainers so finding a an accountant a businessman manager or teaching yourself that's fine but as long as you're putting away half of what you make for taxes like you're safe yeah don't you think it's incredible how much you've learned in the last day years yes sometimes I go back and like read my old emails of like me like talking to people and I'm like girl that's the worst email
ever but it's like so cool to see how different I speak now and how I'm I think a lot smarter and able to Advocate on my own behalf and and the little girl sending those emails from her couch like that's who I am yeah that's big did you ever pretend to be own man th% what the name Rebecca I was always pretending to be my own assistant like trying to get dinner reservations trying
to set up calls cla's available meanwhile it's like literally me and it worked 100% it worked did they negotiate on your behalf sometimes for well I actually was always negotiating on my own behalf and I because I always found that like so many of the girls who worked at media companies worked at agencies these account managers were followers of mine were listeners to the toast and that's always worked on my own
behalf actually I think like a huge demographic of my following is Media girls girls who who work at Brands who work at agencies and so it's always kind of benefited me to lead with me because they're excited to work and they want to make it work and look it's it's tury on the other line if someone wants to be the next to you and start the toast and you know start their version don't don't
everybody's set they the toast is enough okay what advice would you have for someone who's listening to you watching you going I want to build that I want to create that where where should they start what should they think about well I would just get started I think a lot of people are always talking about they're like making Strate stry plans and outlines for projects just get the
project up and running you can record a podcast on your phone the voice memo app actually is very high quality audio it's good enough for a starting podcast then you can start to make money invest in the sh microphones that everybody has but before then like just get started people are always like throwing launch parties for things that don't exist yet like just get to work do it yeah don't
don't overthink it no and it's also like it's a podcast okay it's not like the nuclear program it's just just talk what's the nuclear program I don't know I don't know I was kind of sound smart I I couldn't think of anything no I love it I I I could agree with you more as well I think there's just such a I feel like we're all stifling ourselves by procrastinating no we're afraid of
being judged right we want to put something out that's perfect but it's like you don't get far without people making fun of you like I'm sure my old post used to get sent around my high school like oh my god look what Claud is doing cringe cringe cringe well it's not so cringe anymore like girl CU I'm successful and you're not but you have that's just part if you if you can't take being mocked
like I wish that weren't the case cu people are cruel and it is what it is and think about how you talk to your friends about people on social media someone's going to talk about you like that and you have to be okay with that yeah did you lose any friends along the way no actually I've always been really good I've never been that girl with like a thousand friends I've always had like
five really good friends and they're the same friends I love that too they're I've like the best friends um but you know you do notice people treating you differently like peripherally um and whenever anybody like started being extra nice or whatever I always accepted it like sure you want me to come to your Hampton's house I'll be there but you know you got got to keep note of people
who only started acting that way at a certain time in your life yeah yeah yeah you have yeah there is definitely that switch and and yeah I'm the same as you have all my same friends from back in the day I can't wait I literally fly to London tonight to see everyone looking forward to just yeah just catching up kicking it and it's it's one of those things that I feel so fortunate that I
had such a good group of friends right before everything took off you must feel that with Ben too because it was around the same time so I was like yeah I guess I met Ben freshman year and freshman year is also when I started my blog I don't think it really took off till a year later but he's been there since the very beginning yeah how how how much do you think that that's a good question
well I often like thank the Lord that I don't have to date at all period because I think dating in this day and age is horrible but also like with my weird job like I think it would just I wouldn't even know how to explain it to people and like I would just feel so like awkward and embarrassed so I'm like grateful for that um but again I think having this really stable force in my
life in Ben when it CES to when it came to like you know how I felt about how I felt about my job like I think stability is so beneficial when you're trying to build a business and like having someone to come home to and having a very stable personal life I think it allowed me to be a little nutty in different areas of my life like my job because I didn't have to worry that I was going to come
home and it would be chaos like Ben was always there just how was your day yeah I think that's what it is you just hit the nail on the head I think there's certain stages in life where you go if I decide this it now no no longer takes up any space I felt that way about getting married I felt that way about deciding with City we're were going to live in cuz when we first moved to the states we
lived in New York for 2 years then we moved to LA we've been there for 6 years when we decided we were living in LA and we got our place it was like another thing there was a settled that freed up space and I think we're currently living at a time where we struggle to make decisions because we don't want to kind of you know put our Roots down but actually that creates more chaos in our
lives a th% and I think we also live in a culture that values that sort of like wonderless so I live in my car and I don't care I don't have a job well I like a little bit structure a little bit boring a little bit settled I think that's me getting older but I also think it's just like there's value in also leading a very sort of ordinary per that's one of my sister's favorite
quotes I I forget it's like you know being ordinary in your personal life so you can be violent in your creative or artistic life because it's like you can't have a million balls in the air at one time but so to have a very um I don't want to say regular cuz I feel like that has a negative connotation but like a very peaceful very settled private life it really does allow you to
you know for me it's my work for anyone it could be something else just to like I don't know up you know what's what's the hardest part about working with family and what's the best there is one really yeah I know and I'm unique in that I think some people have different family issues I could never I mean look at how many female podcasting Duos that it's every day we're talking about another one breaking them up me
and Jackie will be podcasting till the day that we die like we are Bound by Blood um she's the only person I can really talk to honestly like I think a lot of people think I'm very confrontational cuz I'm loud and like a little aggressive but actually like if I have a problem with you I'll just start crying like I cannot talk to people um except my sister I could say whatever I
want and it just like I don't have a single complaint about working with family that's amazing that's impressive I know I love that me too to some people they're like so confused by it for me I wouldn't have it any other way yeah no I love that for you I'm glad I mean it's it's the best thing when Works yes yes and I know I'm special and and lucky that that it does work how has your
relationship had to change like what's it meant to keep that up like what have you had to do in order to have a sister relationship and a business partner relationship because Ora all your conversations always about the podcast yeah I mean it's so intertwined but interestingly enough when Jackie and I were growing up we're Four Sisters total from top to bottom like there's six
years between us so we're all really tight and we were all really tight growing up you know there were different Dynamics as we got older like in the beginning it was always the two older sisters and the two younger sisters me and Margot like we were just sort of divided by age and Olivia and Jackie would like leave us out and me and Margo were just like sharing a room so we were
like okay whatever I guess it's just us and then as we got older my interest started to align a lot more with Olivia's um and then Jackie and Margot became like really similar and really close so the Dynamics have always shifted but the Dynamics when we were kids were never Jackie and I we actually probably got along the least we didn't fight we didn't hate each other we just were not drawn to one another so I would
say we were probably the least close out of all four not that we had issues but we were just not I I don't think we understood each other Jackie's very reserved Jackie's very quiet but not shy quiet me I'm spreading my legs for everybody I'm like what's up who you want to talk to let's go here let's go there um so I think that I thought she was like you know weird and she thought
I was weird we didn't understand one another and then when we started to work together our differences ended up you know working in our favor um it made the conversations on the podcast more Dynamic and we just very naturally became so close through work but also we were talking all the time you know so wait when you're when you're putting out an episode how much of it have you talked about before zero literally zero
Z zero every single episode is completely off the cuff everything about it we have like five topics that we need to hit every day whatever the the news of the day is but everything else is completely off the cuff like we've never once had a convers sometimes we used to sit on FaceTime for like an hour before we would start recording to get set up and we would just end up talking and we
actually felt like it was ruining the show she calls me 10:30 we start recording at 10:31 like we do not because we don't want to waste any of the it's we we'll never recreate a conversation that's so fake like we just go for it that's amazing so that way you're really catching up in that time too exactly because you're avoiding talking the night before and you saying what you did and she lives in a
different state so we have a lot to catch up on how when did she move and how when did you guys she moved I think 2021 and I was like okay it's the end of the show like we'll we'll do remote but who the hell wants to listen to remote podcasters like it's so so coy and it sucks and I knew that it was the beginning of the end and I was freaking a little bit and let me tell you it's
the best thing to ever happen to us one um because of covid we were forced to really invest in the tech so there's actually no delay there's no lag a lot of people don't know that we live in separate states so I think a lot of times people are shocked to find out that Jackie doesn't live in New York anymore um which makes me so happy and two a little bit of the distance physically has benefited us greatly
because we're no longer on top of each other and we get to like you say have these natural catch-up conversations that we might not be having if she lived down the block for me which she did for many years so it's actually been the best thing to happen to the show and I thought it was going to be like the beginning of the end what makes you feel like when you recorded a great episode
how do you know oh my god when we just laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh like sometimes we are just so silly that I don't even think we're speaking English anymore like it's just that sisterly thing where you can really only act so nuts with your sister those are the best episodes like true belly laughs yeah and that is something you can only do with someone you know very exactly very well
exactly and you guys call each other afterwards and like oh my God you are so funny that's a good question no actually it's so um routine to us now that's kind of sad we should be like listen that was so funny um no we don't do that but it kind of protects why that hour is so good right like that's the point like and we're not trying so hard like we're just talking yeah yeah that's it's such
a special skill it's actually just special talent and skill I agree that podcasting is a skill and it's a talent because I think every I mean the running joke is like you know everybody has a podcast not everybody should but there are a lot of failed podcasts and I think that a lot of people think like yeah I could talk for an hour a week well I actually don't think you could it is an
art especially with a co-host especially as an interviewer when to talk when to listen when to stop and so a lot of people don't possess that skill and and I appreciate you saying that because it's definitely a skill the same way like you know any other job is a skill like if you're a mathematician you know you need a certain set of skills and podcasting definitely requires that too
yeah no I I just like to point it out because I think we just it is that I I have so many friends who just like I remember when when I first started creating content and all my friends like oh we could do that and and then it was like this whole journey where everyone realizes that it's different and I think with you because it's so natural and because it's so off the cuff it can
often be you can kind of be like oh yeah well that's whatever but it's like no no no there's there's a real talent there's a skill there how much have you practiced over the years or was this who you were at school with your friends like is this just who you've been where was the training where were the Reps it's this is always who I've been like very like leading with like I've always
loved attention I've always loved to talk I've always loved to make people laugh but I do think that I have practiced and rehearsed a little bit in recent years just knowing when to listen that's always been my um that's the biggest critique people have of me on the show and they're totally valid in that I never let my sister talk I talk over people I'm sure I've done it to you
I'm so sorry s like and I'm really trying um it's one of my worst skills personally and professionally I do it at a dinner party it's so annoying and like when other people do it I'm like oh my God she didn't shut up and people are like that's you so I am working on that I used to be much worse so it's a work in progress but it's important to know like your skills but it's also
important to know what you're not good at and I know that I'm not good at knowing when it's my time to listen like right now have you ever measured how fast you took no but I know it's insane and if you believe it ins I used to talk so much and it's funny cuz me and you I'm at the opposite end like I usually talk so slowly yeah you're very measured yeah noce it's so funny because when we're together I'm just
like I'm speeding up slightly just to I need you to listen to episodes of the toes from like 2019 I used to swallow full paragraphs like I don't even know what I was saying you think it's fast now to me this is me being so much better it's amazing it used to be really bad it's amazing have you you talked about their like wanting attention and I think anyone who doing something
publicly naturally there is a part of them that enjoys the attention enjoys I I always say like I love when people come up to me on the street and say hello I tell people in the podcast to say hey if you see me come and say hello I want to say hello to you uh I I really appreciate the feedback and the energy I get I had a I was walking a few years ago now quite a while ago with one of my
clients who's a well-known actor he gets recognized a hundred times for every one time I get recognized so super wellknown and successful and like he'd get stopped i' get stopped once he'd get stopped multiple times I'd get stopped once and I asked him like how does that feel and he said you know what he goes Jay you're really lucky and I was like why and he said you're lucky because people stop me
for who I pretend to be and people stop you for who you are and I was like wow like that really stay it really stayed with me it was one of those moment you're not g to tell us who it was no I can't uh but it no fun but it was I that's my private part you'll tell me after we set recording but but that was one of my favorite moments it it stayed with me ever since that I'm like wait AE
like and same with you like people when they're coming up to you and saying the toast is amazing or when I keep hearing Jay we heard you on the toast it was so F you know when I get that feedback from people I'm thinking oh wow like you're doing that how have you been careful about your relationship with attention so that it doesn't get unhealthy how have you thought about that you know
what's so funny the more attention you get the the less you want it um and so I think as somebody who was an attention whor seeking I was an attention seeking hor growing up my whole life to end up in a line of work where you get a lot of it it's fulfilling for a second and then it's like enough and I actually feel like I say I'm an attention I'm actually really not So Much Anymore um I like I
got the attention that I wanted and it felt good but it didn't solve all my problems like I thought it was going to so not that anybody who's you know is an attention seeker should get the attention because then it'll it's kind of a problem that fixes itself um but I'm really not um I think when people meet me like on the street sometimes they're a little uh taken back how
actually I'm not like a dancing monkey like I'm not so crazy all the time like making jokes on like I I actually and definitely as I've gotten older like a little bit more pulled back you know I'm still a little nuts more than the average person but not not I think as much as people would expect yeah what part of your confidence are you still working on I'm really not honestly like I feel very confident in
all aspects of my life like I know that I'm great at my job I know I'm a great wife I know I'm literally gorgeous like I don't feel like I'm lacking confidence in any area honestly wow I have a lot of other problems so but not that like oh girl where do I begin okay um what what would I say is my biggest problem I actually would say my biggest problem is sometimes my humor can be
mean and I think that's like the worst type of humor and I'm actually really working on it um like when you poke fun at someone sometimes I feel like it I really take it too far like it's okay to like think something and not say it because I've noticed that a lot that I sometimes border on mean and I don't like being mean that's not funny to me I think feel like they have to be mean in
order to be funny and that's not true I can be funny without being mean yeah and that's something you're working on yes like sometimes I'll say something I'll be like damn that was rough you know like and and so I'm aware of it and I'm really trying to stop yeah who knows if I will at least I'm aware of it you you love the uh 1% evil it's fun yeah yeah yeah it's uh no that that's so beautiful
to hear I mean to hear you say hey you know what I'm actually really confident I love hearing that I love it when someone says that because it's a journey yeah no but but I mean you've not that you've arrived because there is no arrival but the idea that you feel that way I mean that doesn't mean that like I don't see a picture of myself and like literally want to die but I don't try not to place too much value on that
because there are other parts of me that are worthy probably more worthy than than how I look but I I am a shallow person I I do place a lot of emphasis and value on my physical appearance yeah is that something you've ever tried to change or shift or you've just accepted it's actually like a new thing I think since losing weight I've kind of become obsessed with it and that's like one
thing that I've gained during my weight loss Journey that I don't like the obsession with how I look because before like I knew I didn't look great so like whatever you know I worked on other things but then I started to really like the way that I looked on the OIC journey and I kind of became obsessed with it like I used to weigh myself and be like I mean it's not great but whatever then
I would lose weight and when I would weigh myself and it wasn't exactly what I wanted I would be so hard on myself and I used to not care about that so that's actually something I'm working on but with the pregnancy like it's a problem for later May yeah yeah of course yeah I can't fix everything all at once okay I'm not J shete no no no trust me I can't either but no but it's
interesting how sometimes the things we work on more become our greater stressors yes yeah that's definitely how I feel with my weight yeah and and it's one of those things that it's but the great thing is you're aware and I think that's what I always think about I remember when Kevin Hart came on the podcast he was talking about how in very different context but he was talking
about how like some of the mistakes he made and not comparing at all but he was talking about some of the mistakes he made and they came from a place of him feeling like this was never going to go away and then he was like now I need to deal with the fact that one day I may not be as famous or successful as whatever and it was just really interesting him saying that when I still think he's crushing it and killing it
and he's like you know but how we perceive people versus how they perceive themselves is so interesting correct yeah and that's what I find is always fascinating because you think someone's peing living best life yeah and in and in their head they're like oh I'm insignificant right now yeah but it does not that you want people to feel poor about themselves but seeing someone whom
you perceive to be on top of the world talk about how they perceive themselves and it's not necessarily like the best there is like solace in that even people who are killing it and Rich and Famous like even they hate themselves so who cares if I do you know I wanted to end with talking about you know you talked a lot about last year losing your dog which um oh my God I think no one prepares you for yeah I
had so many friends who sadly went through the same thing in the last 12 months I don't know what was about the last 12 months and maybe it's sadly always the case but at least in my life I had so many people telling me that um I had my business manager a really close friend like just just so many people in life we had uh Taylor Hill who came on the podcast and talked about the loss of
her dog Tate and just how hard that was for her what has been your greatest lesson for grief in that Journey so funny because you know I lost my dad when I was in the eighth grade or excuse me the nth grade like literally the first month of high school worst time ever and it was extremely hard and I actually feel like being younger um I was able to bounce back a little bit
more I remember going through that and really want I just transferred schools and then my dad passed and I really didn't want to be known as like the girl with the dead dad so I I remember making an active effort to get back to my life and I leaned so heavily into my sisters and that's really why my sisters and I are so close and my friends and EXT and I really and that's just being a kid
right you're more susceptible you're more adaptable like you just bounce back and I found like when you know friends of mine now are losing parents like it's so much harder like you're an adult you understand the importance of life you have kids of your own and so not that it's the same at all but like losing my dog at 29 was like the first experience with grief as an adult and let me tell
you it is so much harder and this was you know a dog Not a Human Being the difference was and I I have long wondered um my dad passed away overnight like he was not sick he had a heart attack and he died before he even got to the hospital like completely kind of freak accident and people always talk about like is it better you know for someone to die like that or to get a
chance to say goodbye to somebody who has like a terminal illness but you have to watch them suffer for months and I feel like there's no right answer just everybody thinks their own and I never really knew what the answer was but with Theo he um had terminal cancer and we ended up putting him down but so we lived with the cancer I want to say for like two or three weeks like really not
a long time it was the worst time of my life like it was worse than when he actually had died like seeing something you someone you love so much be in such pain it's not worth being able to say goodbye honestly so oddly that experience brought me peace with my dad like I like yeah I didn't get to say goodbye but like I didn't have to watch him suffer like that's it's definitely worse and so the older I get the
actually the harder grief is you know like I remember getting married and being like so angry that my dad wasn't going to be there and feeling like this was so unfair but I hadn't really felt that anger up until that point like the older you get the more important life moments marriage kids you realize like how much you need a parent and so as a kid like yeah okay he's not in my soccer
game but like you just are you're more resilient as a kid you really are and so going through grief as an adult is 45 times harder and that was just with my dog you know whom I loved more than anything but a dog is not a person and it was the most challenging thing I actually don't even remember it I blacked out that part of my life it's coming up on a year actually like this
week it was the hardest thing I'd ever been through in my life like seriously I like I I can't believe I don't even think about that time because it was so it was azing that's so profound though the connection between the two I know well it was they were so polar opposite it's like would I I think I actually would have preferred just like to take Theo to the doctor and have him die like
the three weeks of diapers of medic oh my God it was horrible and I felt like I was doing the wrong thing because you know it's cruel to keep a dog like that alive for your own they're so clearly in pain it's the right thing to do to put them down and if you're selfishly keeping them and I said I'm not going to do that and so when we woke up one morning it was so clear that he was
suffering we were like listen this is cruel we're keeping him alive for us like we knew we had to do do that and with my dad like I had always felt like oh my God I never got to say goodbye it was you know hi one day bye the next but what Theo the passing of Theo really taught me is like honestly it's better it is I think what did girl with the dead dad like mean to you like what did that kind of like what did that
symbolize for you that you didn't want to be you know I just remember in middle school there was a girl um whose dad had died and her she was in my grade and then her brother was in my sister's grade and it was just kind of like the thing people said do you know what I mean like pointing and saying no not pointing but like if you overheard like another parent talking oh didn't did you
hear it was just kind of what what you know they were LED with and I didn't want that I wanted to be a girl who was funny a girl who was good at soccer a girl who was beautiful like literally anything I did not want to have that to be the thing like oh did you hear about that Austy girl her father died like I didn't want that to be the first thing people said about me so I remember
making a conscious effort to just like bounce back and and it did work for for a period of time I I can't imagine how challenging it is to you know be going be giving birth having lost and then let me tell you it sucks like and I see Ben who has both parents I'm so happy for him but I'm jealous yeah naturally yeah yeah natur I don't think that's bad no no of course not and definely not bad
and they're the best Ben's parents like his dad is like always inviting me out on Father's Day like but you know a parent is a parent yeah for sure no thank you for sharing thank you thank you for being open it's uh I'm hoping that yeah I'm hoping that people who've been through similar things or you know I I know plenty of people in my life who lost a parent early and it's it's
something that's not talked about enough online like you don't you don't really hear about it like it's kind of like something you talk about in therapy and nowhere else yeah it's just like hard to talk about nobody wants to be crying all the time and I think that no matter what stage of grief that you're at like you can't talk about it without crying that doesn't mean that you're not healed It's
just sad like and I don't want to be sad like that's my whole thing like I love being happy I love making people laugh I love laughing like I'm if I'm laughing I'm so happy so I hate to like sit around and that's why like I know when I talk about this on the podcast people don't like it but I don't do therapy not for any reason I'm not like against it I I know it's really powerful for a lot of
people but I've never really had a hard time communicating and I'm very blessed that like I have a lot of people in my life who I feel completely open and comfortable opening up to and I know that's a privilege that not a lot of people have um but I also like I don't know I just don't want to spend my life being sad like the world is sad enough like my I wake up every day with the the
goal of like making people laugh like I like to be joyous and spread joy and I don't know I sitting in a therapist office for an hour a week like crying like oh my God like seriously I can't I can't yeah no and I and and I think that everyone has their different coping mechanisms like you said and for some people that is the only place they have a safe space and a where they don't feel
judged and a SP where they don't feel you know looked at a certain way because their family friends may be that way and and it's beautiful that you don't have that I was going to ask you what's been your have you thought a lot about like your energy baby's energy like what what like walk me through that yes I have a lot because you know people tell me that I'm kind of like a baby Whisperer cuz I
love to sing and I love to dance and I love to like I'm obsessed with babies and that's what babies love and that's what babies need like their first couple of months are always looking for somebody to sing and dance to them and so that's the type of mom I want to be like super joyous super like always singing um I don't know if you follow Jesse Jay the singer on Instagram Jessie
okay so she had a baby and like she's always singing to her baby on Instagram now I know she has like one of the best voices in the world and I don't but like I'm I'm going to be Jesse J like I'm going to be singing to my baby and my baby's going to think I have the most amazing voice cuz my baby's going to be my number one fan it's going to be so funny if they don't oh my God stop I'll
be so upset if like every time I sing the baby cries yeah they'll love it till they're like four oh of course no I'm talking about year one yeah year one year one's one one fan for one year is is good enough I love that I love that and have you thought about whether you're going to be sharing baby Journey online and I have thought about it um I definitely want to share my journey um I'm pretty against you know putting your
kids on social media I don't judge other people who do but I'm not going to and I feel like I see a trend of people sharing less and actually pulling their kids off social media because the dangers of it are like so obvious yeah know that's something me and Ry talk about a lot like it's it's I would love to it's one of our discussion point if the internet wasn't such a disgusting
place I would love to like how fun but no we can't have nice things people are disgusting and absolutely not yeah yeah it's challenging it's it's such a yeah that's that's the hard part right that's the hard part that it's like in the same way as you wouldn't just put your kid up somewhere physically in that way that they're exposed to anyone and everyone yeah and they just actually passed that
law in California about like family channels and Dam lado was a big part of it of like just child actors but also child like family channels like basically exploiting your kids on social media for money I they're they're all still actively happening but I feel like in 10 15 years like we are going to be hearing like the most craziest stories about kids who were forced to be on like
YouTube family channels it's disgraceful um but it's also slippery slope like you know like you start posting your kids and that's the most engaging content so you post more and more and more and then you rely on it to pay your bills so you're yelling at your kids to smile for the thumbnail and I never want I never want to be that yeah yeah it's great that you guys have because it's haven't
talked B about it but I don't care what he says like I'm sure he'll agree with me but we haven't had like a full conversation about it okay good to know good to know hearing about this on the J shaty podcast is this usually how it goes no actually certain things I feel really strongly about and I say Ben like this is what we're doing certain things he feels super strongly about I'm like
okay sometimes we both don't know how to feel and there are PR people in our life whose opinions we like respect and we'll call them and ask and and get their opinions and we'll come to a decision together it just depends on what the topic is you know yeah I think that makes a lot of sense yeah that's fair if you feel strongly enough it's a rule and and to know like as a half of a part
like a half of a marriage like if there are certain things you don't have like strong feelings about but your partner does like so let them have that one and then when you have strong feelings about something and they don't they will let you have it like that's the whole you know shtick with compromise but also um knowing when you don't know like some all of this is new to me motherhood
pregnancy and so knowing that I have no experience and talking to people who do and if I trust them and I think that like their values align with mine taking their advice um but like it's important to know like when you don't know enough Claudia you are you one of the Most Fascinating People I've ever met you are hilarious you're smart profound today times I really didn't want to cry but it
is what it is no I I appreciate you being so honest and vulnerable with us and showing that soft side yeah no you know like for people to be able to see you can't put chy in a box like she is going to surprise you I love it well Claudia it's been such a joy talking to you we end every episode with the final five these have to be answered in one word to one sentence not a Claudia sentence a okay oh I promise I will do
one word yes yeah one word or one sentence Oh okay but but not a sentence at 100 miles hour where you squeezed in 79 words not Jay calling me out okay all right okay yeah I'm not judging you no no of course not okay so question number one what is the best advice you've ever heard or received um this isn't like you know a curated sentence so I'm just gonna like speak um and I think it's
something I've realized as I've gotten older especially as like a woman in the industry you feel really competitive with like other people I feel now like I like to work to live and not live to work like I just would like to make a living I don't need to be the biggest podcaster I don't need the number one selling comedian I just would like to provide for my family I think when you
get really caught up in like the hustle culture it's good to have ambition of course but what used to be important to me is actually really not important to me anymore now like just a job is a job it's to provide and that's it great than thanks yeah oh God I forgot about the sentence okay sorry I'm good I'm good no no no it's well explained I would have asked you to explain question number two
what is the worst advice you've ever had or received oh my God there is a okay sorry it's going to be more than one s there is a phrase that I hate it's called um like being realistic is the quickest path to mediocrity like I so disagree with that I think being realistic is so important like so important yeah good answer uh question number three what excites you most about motherhood I'm such an affectionate
person like I love all my nieces and nephews who are growing older now they're like starting to hate it but like I cover them in kisses like I just I'm obsessed with kisses and hugs and like this baby like is going like this baby's going to love me more than anyone it probably end up liking Ben more but this baby like is mine you know and I could kiss it as much as I want I love
it question number four what are you most excited to see about Ben becoming a dad oh my God like I just know Ben is going to be the best the best like most affectionate the kids are going to love him they're going to like him so much more they're going to go to him like I don't know what exactly I'm most looking forward to but I feel a lot of peace knowing that I'm bringing a baby into
the world with like someone who's seriously going to be the best dad on the planet uh Fifth and final question we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be um it should be absolute law that everybody listens to the toast every single morning and then on purpose yeah of
course of course yeah actually no this is my answer not on purpose sorry just the toast oh oh thanks all right No it should be law like it should be NPR it should be public radio I love it yeah that's a great law thanks I love it thank you and then I ultimately you know that affects my bottom line cloria thank you so much I love everyone to this you're the best thank you if you love this episode you will
also love my interview with Kendall Jenner on setting boundaries to increase happiness and healing your inner child you could be reading something that someone is saying about you and being like that is so unfair cuz that's not who I am and that really gets to me sometimes but then looking at myself in the mirror and being like but I know who I am why does anything else matter