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Oh, it's so good to see So good to see So good to see you. >> So good to see you. I miss you. >> you.
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We were just clearing up the album is not called Ford, which is just so funny to me. It's just so good.
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>> No, but I had to like rock with that for a minute because the fans were into it and they're just so funny.
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So I thought I'd let them have it, you know?
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>> You've done your room room era, man.
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It's not like, you know, we're not going back to cars right now. We're somewhere else. >> Not yet.
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No No vehi- No vehicle mentions on this record.
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>> Nothing in the hood just yeah. Hey, congrats.
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The album just got announced.
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Um where did this Where did you find the time to do this?
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I mean, this is an existential This is an existential question for a later date.
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But I mean, you would you're doing so much amazing creative work and I'd imagine all of it is so beautifully fulfilling that with the greatest of love and respect, which you know I have so much of for you, I never thought we'd get an album in amongst all of this right now.
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>> I mean, Zayn, I didn't think that we would either.
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It was like one of those things where I was really like I really got to take a break.
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Like it's not going to happen. It's not going to come.
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But you know, like when inspiration strikes, I feel like you would be kind of naive to not like jump at it.
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Like and I feel so lucky to get the inspiration that I get when I get it that I don't ever feel like I can let it slip past. So this came randomly.
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I was not expecting it, but I kind of like went with it and uh I'm happy that I did.
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>> you had found yourself in the room and Brat was still the spirit of Brat was still there and the and the beats were like still 128 to 135 140 and you were still in that zone, do you think you would have honored that?
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Because obviously you didn't find yourself there.
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So you're always going to be in a truthful place, but you're so reactive.
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I'm fascinated to know how you would have reacted if you were still kind of hungry for a bit of Brat.
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Well, if I was hungry for and if it felt uh honest and truthful to me then I would have totally gone there.
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100% like I think I can only ever do what I feel is right and truthful to me as an artist.
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It's I'm not deliberately trying to kind of like provoke >> Be reactive. Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, no.
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It's like I will say that my pattern is that my work often works in kind of like pendulum swings.
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Like I think inherently my albums are kind of reacting against each other in some sort of a way, but if I had felt like oh my god I want to like pursue some of the things that were sort of already happening on Brat again.
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Like I wouldn't have denied myself that.
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It's just it's not where the chips landed, I suppose.
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>> It must be so amazing to find yourself in a room as well and know that um there was a whole lot of territory that was yet to be explored and I mean I always feel like out of a lot of the artists that I get to know over the course of my life that music surprises you.
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That you are really surprised by what you make almost more than anyone else I speak to. You know? >> Yeah, yeah.
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I suppose so because I guess I have no expectations from anything that I make really.
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that I make really. Like and I don't mean that to be sort of like deliberately kind of like down and out or anything like that because I am also at the same time like very ambitious and I I really like believe in myself and the things that I make, but I have no
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sort of like expectation of like a clear path through X, Y, and Z because you know my sort of time making music has been so all over the place in terms of like what I've done and who I've worked with and you know it's like I'm always following like different paths here and there. So I kind of just
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So I kind of just like let the wind take me somewhere and I like follow that inspiration and I just feel excited to do it like that. Do you know what I mean?
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>> I do, cuz we've been having conversations like this for a very long time.
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And you've always really been honest with me and with your fans and where you are at that moment in time and what the reaction to your music means to you or doesn't.
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And coming off the back of a run of the last couple of years where everything that you worked towards landed, I feel at the right time.
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And I'd love to know about your relationship with the timing of things.
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Because you know, when people start to discover Charli XCX on their time, you had all of this experience and all this music and all of these, you know, experiments and amazing journeys under your belt.
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And I just wanted to know how you feel about the timing of it all because some people are in such a hurry and yet I feel like it was perfect, chef's kiss for you.
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>> Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like you can't really control any of that actually and I think um you know, I feel really lucky that anyone is ever connecting to my music.
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I never thought that like I would have uh you know, the scale of people connecting to what I was doing as I did with Brat.
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Um and I'm really really grateful for that and yeah, I think you're right.
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It's like I have been through so many different sort of little wormholes in the music industry and I've learned so much not only about like the way I like to make music, but also about myself as an artist and I think that was all really kind of like uh an important part of like the thing happening when it did.
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I also think it kind of like made me know like from sort of the beginning that like this is a kind of like quite hard to replicate thing and that once you have that kind of experience, like people really want you to be that kind of artist forever.
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And I'm just never going to be someone who is like that. >> God bless.
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>> I've always sort of Well, yeah, I mean I've always sort of also sort of like known that, you know, it's like anything that I do next will be compared to Brat, and that's totally fine.
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That's like an an audience's kind of prerogative, I suppose.
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But, yeah, it's like I've always known that there would be an interesting tension there after that, and I think it's Yeah, it's it's kind of the only way I could be that rewarding to myself creatively is to just follow my what I want to do, and and Yeah.
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>> That's why we love you.
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I mean, as soon as I heard rock music, everyone I spoke to, all my friends and and people in my fam- in my house were just like, "How is this This bangs. This is so good."
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And it's No, cuz it's great, cuz it's it's in a You're in a free place, and all we want to hear is you in your freedom.
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And that brings us to this album just announced, music, fashion, film, three really beautiful, important tenets to the human experience.
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More than just a really amazing-looking album title on a on a, you know, quite frankly, pretty iconic piece of art.
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You know, you've also You know, you've also created To me, at least, it feels like a subtle reminder that these are three things beyond the titillation of them all and the conversation and the the culture of conversation around them, that these are what makes us human.
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A big part of what makes us human are these These are expressions.
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Am I looking way too deep into it? I don't know.
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>> No, no, you're not at all.
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And I And I actually think that's what's sort of For me, at least, like why I wanted to call the album this title.
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It's like those three sort of pillars of >> Yeah.
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>> the art world are kind of like the most like commercial kind of artistic outlets, you know, music, fashion, and film.
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Even if you're not engaging with those things, you kind of inherently are engaging with them by like avoiding them or or or whatever, you know?
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It's like they kind of touch on everybody's lives and I think for me they're extremely extremely extremely important and serious, but at the same time so fun and light and I suppose it's like a very like literal title, but also it's a very personal title because it's kind of like what my life has sort of become about and I'm so grateful for that, you know?
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So it's kind of like jewel in a way and it's it's interesting.
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It's like I think those three things can be taken like so so so so so seriously or they can be engaged with in a really like frivolous >> It's up to us.
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>> fun way and that's great and I think that's great.
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So it's kind of like I don't know.
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It's like it's up to people to sort of form their own interpretations of of that title based on like their kind of engagement with those things in their life.
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>> speaks to me in a really real way right now because every artist I'm talking to to some degree if you spend enough time with them will be talking about the importance of maintaining the humanity in this experience, right?
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Why we do it in the first place which first place which is to build community and to and to share and to get to know each other and ourselves better.
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And these are three ways to do that in a very real way.
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And you know, I so I think it's I think as always Charlie, you know, in the most um brilliantly uh obvious and obtuse and subliminal way you're touching on a lot of really really interesting things.
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I'm excited about this record. You've touched on music.
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You've touched on fashion.
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Is the next song going to be the film song? >> Maybe. Yeah.
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>> Yeah, I'm just doing the math. Just doing the math.
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I mean, you know, I'm not Albert Einstein here.
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I'm just like two out of three ain't bad. Let's go. >> You are.
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You figured out the equation.
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It might It might be that.
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Now I'm going to have to throw a spanner in the works and be like music fashion fashion or something.
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>> This was not the wormhole that we expected in the time space continuum where the whole world comes to a crushing a crushing end. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> So listen, it's all really exciting and there's a lot more to dive into as it as we get ready for July 24th, but in the meantime on a morning where you know, you finally release the vision at least as it stands right now for us to embrace and to live with.
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We're going to honor that and appreciate you as always Charlie.
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And yeah man, it's great to see you. You look really well. >> Thank you. So do you. Thanks for having me.