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It's nice to see you. How's it going? >> Good. I'm on tour.
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>> Yeah, you're back out here. >> Oh, yeah. Austria right now. >> Yeah.
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You've kind of got like uh European architectural vibes behind you.
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You're in a very Austrian situation right now. >> Yes. It I love it. I'm in Vienna. It's beautiful. >> Oh, wow.
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Music capital of the world.
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Um man, you're giving all this love out with all the music, man.
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Saskatchewan's going off, by the way. Going off.
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I can't wait to go >> vagina.
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>> They're going to erect a statue of you in the city.
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I'm telling you, >> I you know what?
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It's about time Saskatchewan get recognized globally.
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>> I love the idea of place names in music. I'm obsessed with them.
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There's an eternal playlist of place names and music ready to be made.
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Saskatchewan now has its place on that playlist.
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I've got to get granular with you because, you know, I got to get super nerdy on this.
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You're in the studio writing this beautiful song, which we're going to talk about in a second, and you know, you're looking for something.
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You're looking for a place in Saskatchewan.
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How the do you land in Saskatchewan?
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>> Um, cuz like it rhymed.
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>> That's exactly what I wanted you to say.
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>> Well, cuz I was like, I can't remember.
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There was other options, but I was like, we were having problems with like we'd already used Boston. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> And I was like, you needed something on >> effectively four syllables with a ghost fifth.
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It's a writer's It's a writer's dream. >> It's awesome.
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I've never been there, but I promise I will perform there one day.
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And I also just love that the capital is called Regina. >> Yes, exactly. Exactly.
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So, you're going to do an open air show at some point in Regina, Saskatchewan, and it's going to be epic. Oh, I will be all open. Don't you worry.
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>> I'm so happy to see you and to hear you in such good form.
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You know, we loved we love the Giver and I love what that song represents to you into your journey and I feel like that song in a way is is very important to this song.
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It kind of broke you into this space. Does that make sense?
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>> Well, you tell me how you what you mean with that.
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Well, I feel like with the giver, you were able to um break the spell that we had of you as this fantastic sort of alien type creature who was out there creating beautiful, wonderful art.
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And you were like, "Hang on, I'm going to bring it down to songwriting.
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I'm going to do something different.
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I'm going to show you that I can change shape."
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And now we have a song like this, which is just like a copyright chapel.
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Like, it's a very deep, personal song.
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And I feel like I don't know.
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I just feel like The Giver was a great sort of like I said, it broke the spell in a really lovely way. >> Thank you.
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I I think that's like one of the most admirable things an artist can do, honestly.
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Like when Gaga released Joanne. >> Yeah, exactly.
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>> And just like was like, "Oh, I actually had this entire other side of me outside of Pop."
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that is so like that just builds the character of your artistry and so it's scary to release a country song but this this felt not scary to me. >> Yeah.
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I want to talk about the origin and by the way congratulations.
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I love that courage that you have as an artist and I I want to talk about this song and where it came from because again it's it's a heartbreaker you know it's a real heartbreaker.
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I mean, there are a lot of people around the world who are going through this exact feeling right now of unrequited love, something that they've lost that they really care about and they want close.
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They want to be able to get past it and move on with their life and make it a memory.
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So, where did this song come from for you?
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>> I actually wrote it about LA. >> Yep.
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>> Which is But I was like, it's just the subway is just so much more romantic.
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But it was actually about me hiding in Los Angeles from someone who I was like deeply in love with.
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But we weren't on bad terms.
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like it was just kind of trying to avoid the coffee shops that we went to and like parties and and so that's where it came from was oh my god I don't know how to exist in this city.
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>> You know what LA is so easy to hide into.
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I feel like it's easier to hide in LA than almost any other city I've ever lived in.
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Certainly easier than other cities like New York and London where there's this gravity pull outside into the world.
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Whereas in LA, you can pull the blinds out on this beautiful nature and sunshine really easily, I feel. >> Yeah.
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I felt pretty lonely there for many years.
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>> You seem really happy being out on the road right now.
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And I love that you have this new song to Yeah. You're so stoked.
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And I And you've got this new song to play.
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So you're playing it in your in your set.
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It's it's now it's a natural and easy fit for you.
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What how was the first time that you played in front of a crowd? What did that feel like?
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Can you try to describe that? Where was that?
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>> I think it was Oslo in Norway. >> And how did it feel?
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>> Um I mean it was crazy.
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Like everyone was singing along for the first time.
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like, you know, it's been out for so I mean it's been out in the zeitgeist for over a year and then to like perform it live. >> Yeah.
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>> And for everyone to hear it finally and it's just so cool. >> Yeah. >> It felt so good.
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Now I had a full set of songs that everyone knew.
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How important has it been for you in terms of how you feel about writing songs and making music in the future to get in a way past that unprecedented 12 12 month period?
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We talked about that in detail at the end of last year and I could got a sense that you were yearning for a new era to be able to sort of to put some really thoughtful closure on that period of your life.
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And so do you feel like this song kind of like has done that for you now that you feel like that's wide open space?
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I think it's a good ring on the ladder.
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Like it's a good like Midwest Princess is her.
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>> But even though this next era I don't like really know what it is, but Subway is a very safe segue to it.
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>> Um, >> but I just kind of think that The Giver, Good Luck, babe, The Subway, they're all kind of so different.
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So that's why I'm just like I have no idea what the next era is.
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>> That's what's so great about the way people are responding.
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We're all responding to Subway right now.
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You know, you have number one single in the UK.
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It's it's number three in the US and that's that's just to for starters.
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So, I mean, it's it's instantly become a beloved moment for us as fans of yours, and I it just it's it's just a beautiful thing to to witness people like embracing your writing and your artistry again in such a meaningful way.
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I I can only imagine that it just it just reinforces what you already know, right?
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That Midwestern Princess isn't just this like zeitgeist moment.
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It's like, no, no, no, like I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. Like, get on board.
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That's the scary part of putting out new music and then people not liking it because it's not like the music you made before. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> And so it makes you scared to release stuff cuz you're like, well, people aren't ever going to like it as much as the first one, you know? Yeah.
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>> And that's the risk you take every single time.
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>> The rest of the year I see in front of me is is some festivals and you're doing some some cool kind of one-off special shows in some cities as well.
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Um, but it really behooves me to ask you about where your sort of writing spirit is and how you feel now that you have new music out and it's it's it's kind of feeding us to some degree.
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Um, where's your hunger for making new music right now?
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Are you thinking next year?
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Are you keen to get back in as soon as possible?
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Where's your where's your spirit at right now?
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>> I want to write music whenever I feel settled.
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>> I haven't felt settled.
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It's been a very unsettling year and a half.
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>> And I think once I really feel calm in a new house and like have a routine.
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I just can't wait to have a routine and then I can like think about writing a song like once I have a routine.
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>> What are you fantasizing about from a routine point of view?
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like just give us like some some beats on what a perfect day is going to be when this when it finally settles for a minute.
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>> Um waking up in the same bed.
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Oh, like eating the same food in the morning time.
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Um being in the same city, wearing the same like wearing my slippers like just very you know >> like that's just like not a thing right now and it hasn't been for a very long time. Yeah.
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>> So, since like I lived in Altadena and got displaced uh from the fires and have been like living in Airbnbs for 7 months and I finally like got a new place and I've only been there for like 10 days and then I came on this big tour >> and I'm sorry to hear that about Altadena, man.
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I mean, we're still Los Angeles is um it's it's so it's really really intense still driving around LA realizing that we're trying to get on with it, but everywhere you look is recovery and there is things going on to some degree and it's it's it's a really strange middle ground and not even for a lot of people.
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It's still very deep in it.
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It it's been like a journey on like how do I release music within the state of everything you know. >> Yeah. Some chaos. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
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And also what's going on as well around you as well which as an artist being an impath somebody who absorbs information and tries to translate it.
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I speak to my artist friends about this all the time and and it's a very intense time to try to understand the world for all of us.
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And you know, as artists, it's very challenging to try to figure out like how I say what I say, especially someone who's brave and honest like yourself.
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You know, we really love and respect that side of you.
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Um, so Turan, you get to put on the the the superhero costume every single night and go out and be that person that everybody loves.
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Um, before I let you go, how you I mean, you seem so happy out there in Vienna right now.
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Um, but how do you sort of feel about these these forthcoming shows?
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Does it feel like a victory lap to you to some degree now that you're thinking about what settling and writing feels like?
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>> Well, I'm far from done touring.
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So, we got some stuff February and March all next year.
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So, we're >> we're not done yet.
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But, I think that once this is done and the US shows are done, it'll definitely feel like a big breath of weight off my shoulders just so I can like chill for a sec and actually think about writing.
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But >> we're almost done with the victory lap.
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>> Next April, I will be done with the victory lap.
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>> Chapel, it's so nice to see you.
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I love this song so much and it's obvious that many, many people do.
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And um you you caught something beautiful in their ether. You really did.
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Something landed and you grabbed it and you made it and you released it and now it exists and we appreciate that always.
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And um safe travels out there on the road.
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I hope we get to see you at some point when you're ready.
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And uh lots of love to your family too who you know I'm very fond of now as well. >> Thank you. I will let them now. >> Have a great one. Have a great show. Take care. Bye. [Music]