it is miraculous I think and that's the thing we talk about miracles as coming from other places but I mean music is connected to another Realm that's what this film does all the way through it's amazing in a whisper yes this is now an ASMR session and then we're gonna we're just descend into silence entitled yeah I know because that's ultimately what you really want you told me that is I don't want to hear
the cage for I know 4 42 I know I'm sorry for about seven minutes and then you'll be asking that wasn't much longer than that isn't it 12 minutes okay I'm in the ages 12. of it okay all right we'll send people to sleep it's not gonna work um it's not gonna work but that's that's what a magnificent thank you that's fantastic I mean Todd field will be very happy well it's interesting for me there's a lot to
talk about in this film and it's wonderful to meet you by the way I think yes likewise thank you for taking us into some incredible stories and committing so wholesale to these stories into these characters and it's just it's it's a rare thing to be able to experience something through someone else's eyes and um and forget about your life for a second so it's I've always
appreciated and loved your work so thank you I like to forget about my life for a second I bet you do I bet you do well you know what you know you you just said as well before something that was really revealing and lovely and I'll put it in a nice way which was that um you know the work what you do and there's that and that's the purpose and that's the desire and then there's a little bit of this that has to
come along for the ride and I sort of wonder what that balance is like for you because when you're not working you're not out you're not out and about you live your life yeah I mean look sometimes there's a lot to say in you know not not I don't see work it sounds sort of counterintuitive particularly in America because I think there's a sense that um in American acting culture is
that you have to bring of yourself the personal details of your life into your work whereas as the marketing yeah yeah I see it as an escape or an expanse of of that which I know and when you're working on a on a film like tar there was just so much I didn't know and so I feel like it's a departure you know my favorite thing in the entire universe is when you watch a piece of Dance and the dancer lifts off into the air
and you don't know whether they're ascending or descending there's this moment of suspension and sometimes you feel that and that's that's what I crave is those moments where you lift off with a bunch of actors with great writing and in this case with great music and it sort of is it transports you and then hopefully transports the audience yeah it's a beautiful beautifully put and
that that whole kind of desire to lean into the unknown and serve your curiosity and to find something that you you can come away from with a better understanding and if you do you know a great job then we will too this is very deep though I mean this wasn't just taking on the role of somebody who works in an orchestrated environment and conducts um from somewhere special you had to really embody that skill I mean and it
is one of the most difficult things in music to truly understand unless you do it yeah conducting yeah it's it's a it's it's um metronomic it's emotional it's this everything that is in me music and but it's also you know you have to be responsible for all of these players but it's it's profound control and discipline yeah and I think that that's that's something that that we understand
in Elite Sports men and and women and I think we understand it in in um uh concert musicians and you know musicians that you would showcase on the show all the time you know that sense of discipline and long-term preparation in order to play the music great music but it's not often thought about with with actors you know and and the other thing is it's hopefully when you play a role when you
embody something and with a bunch of people that that people don't think about the preparation they just get transported in the way that they get transported with a great piece of music but there was a lot you know that I that I had to do to even understand the Alchemy of conducting because it's such a weird contrapunctal um uncoordinated looking profession because from an audience perspective you
see the back yeah they seem out of sync with the music because of course you have to you have to be ahead always a breath ahead of the musician musicians whilst being absolutely in in the moment which I sort of understood from many many years being on stage you know I understood that relationship to an audience you have to be a beat or a half a bit ahead just in order to make sure that there's a there's a chemistry
there's a Synergy within the performance well when you're working you know if you're playing Blanche Dubois or or heragobla or Elektra then you know you know that there's a kind of uh then the audience will often know the story like those great orchestral Works Marla five which is at the heart of the of the film tar is that you have to surprise the audience and you know what's coming and you know the breadth and the energy that
you you um you need to get there but you also know that in fact a pop a prop has just broken that you're going to need in five minutes time and and so your brain is also working on a technical level and a light has gone up on you know upstage right so you won't be able to stand where you need to stand so how how are you going to do that so it's you're sort of riffing a lot of the time and that's
the exciting thing is that you can rehearse and rehearse and rehearse and prepare and prepare and prepare but then you've got to be alive to the happy accidents that happen that connection between the theater and this particular role it makes total sense and uh and and in a way I wonder where the Todd the director um he recognized that as well that you would be more um uh not prepared but just open to this
particular type of role given that you'd spend time on the theater and that's where Lydia lives is on a theater in front of musicians yeah on on a stage yeah I mean I you know what also with my husband I'd run a big cultural institution in Australia so I understood the pull between the kind of the administrative um fundraising end of something the HR end of of running you know having you
know 200 employees who's and are you know and and needing to Foster emerging artists whilst supporting mid-career artists and having a diverse programming of being as inclusive as possible and then you get to the escape to the rehearsal room so I I don't know where the tired it's just reality and fantasy on on steroids I mean it is just a human experience variants and then what it
translates to into the passion on just all schemes ahead right what what for me and you yeah when you're running something like that but you also you know you're doing it from a place of passion the original passion from the theater wanting to be a part of fostering the Creative Vision of others um using your experience but then to your point leaning into that space of like HR people's expectations people's
livelihoods ego the ego of people when they haven't reached their goal yet yeah I mean do you I mean do you find that with what you do because obviously you have this massive platform and so there's a sense that you know you've got to be really you have to lean into the things that interest you right because if if you're not engaged then there's not a snowflakes chance in hell that you
know the listener is going to be engaged but then do you feel like well I've played a lot from this genre I really need to push into this genre I mean how much do you definitely the same because I you know I first of all I love all kinds of music that was something I was blessed with at Birth I've never been to one genre and so from my perspective um it's it's finding a connection between all those things and the only
thing that really matters there is authenticity and the ability to really sell it and that sounds like a gross thing to say but selling's not bad if you love something yeah making others feel something trying to put them in a place where they open their ears just a tiny little bit more yeah listen to something and so I definitely do and I feel that if I'm indulging a little bit in one particular area then I'll pivot
deliberately it's conscious but it's also what you're doing is and this is what really I mean I'm I've I've really noticed um in the last few years maybe it's because I've been I've been around for a while but um the the lack of the creative producer you know and so I mean I I now really really appreciate a really well-produced album and what you do is you juxtapose things because it's
often people might might like a particular track but when you juxtapose it straight away with another sound yeah yeah you listen to the next song incredibly differently you know I was talking to an artist about this the other day and I was saying every great artist will get to a point where they're willing to let go of any expectation or anything they've achieved before where they're willing to absolutely ignore all
the ambition that drove them as a young person and you start almost start all over again you know um and and I think that that is when you really start doing your best work I really do yeah I agree I think I think it's when when you can feel something about to break yeah you kind of I mean it's it's that wabi-sabi thing isn't it is that that something is truly beautiful when there's a flaw in
it and you have to lean into the broken part which is where failure happens which is where you know it's so publicly exposing it now I've got four kids and and I know that their generation is profoundly terrified of failure oh my gosh it's so public and and so they feel that that Pub that their failure becomes bigger than what they're going to learn from it I mean and that's maybe that's
where Todd and I connected is that neither of us were frightened of that feeling and that's where you know this film that we've made together it's about it's a process film it's a rehearsal film and so experience art imitating life the the process of making it was so innovating and um I felt so alive because I even though I knew the story I didn't exactly know how it was going to just the way you get to stretch out into
it there were times when I watched this film Kate where I I felt like it wasn't a film I really felt like this was I was watching the rushes of a documentary that yet to be turned into oh that's so cool because no that Todd said from the beginning that he really wanted to it's a terrible moment when when you go and you watch a film about filmmaking or you watch a film about a painting a painter or you
watch a film about a you know a musician or um and you think please please don't turn the canvas around because he wanted someone from the Department painted them oh no no I was hoping you've got to be greater than that he really wanted it to be a fly on the wall like so when we were rehearsing um uh the Marla's fifth he wanted to feel like it was just um you know like
like a documentary you know and we were fortunate in that we were working I mean I will never ever forget it I mean like no I didn't think when I came out of drama school that I'd be standing up um conducting the um the dressed and um Philharmonic and they had to act so they were our actors and it was really there were some big Stakes moments that they had to to do I mean they were outside
their comfort zone I was outside my comfort zone and and somehow you find that thing you know together that neither of you expected which was really exciting there has to be a little bit of imposter syndrome that surely goes along with the idea of stepping into a role in particular I live in the imposters exactly exactly but of course that can take on different faces and sometimes it's fun to do that and sometimes it can
really strike at you at the core of your own sense of self-belief do I have the confidence can I do this now when you're standing in front of a group of musicians like that and this is what they do and they look at people like you who do it for real for real were there ever moments when you stepped up there rehearsal or no rehearsal and and had to feel that head to embody tar and become
that where you were like am I going to break out of my character here because someone over there is playing the violin looked at me a little funny or am I you know what I mean like it took a long time to win over the double bass as they will not ride the horn section I was warned about no it I mean look the conductors that I spoke to and you know watch a myriad of documentaries and listen to lots of
recordings but when they talk about their work they they do speak about that that thing of having to will will they will they be able to rise to to the great music that they're attempting to channel through themselves to the orchestra back out to to the audience so um I think all great musicians must feel that but you I think what you learn to do is shift that that the um the energy
of that Terror in into a productive way yeah but the problem is I think the the weather character is tragic in a way I think is that she's she's at a point where she's so profoundly extra estranged from herself and from her gift and she started to think which I think a lot of you know you you would know there's a lot of recording artists at a certain point in their career they get really obsessed with Legacy well it's
identity theft as well so what happens is you strike this you create this identity that ultimately gives you the feel to go and Achieve these wonderful things and then you take elements of your true self But ultimately and there's nothing wrong with this but we it his whole life you find a way to develop identity grow and grow and grow but if you don't keep an eye on it can turn on you and what I got from this
character was that she was all completely consumed by her identity hmm yeah her public identity that's right yes and and her identity as a you know the expectation of her the intendanta of you know of of a major major Orchestra and and very aware of the sacrifices that get that but you know the film's a lot about the time you know that it takes to to to get to that place and how
much time you have to spend I mean she's about to turn 50 you know she's thinking about time left rather than time spent and you know and she's also um thinking that in a way the bravest thing she needs to do as an artist is to bust that all apart and let it go because it's you know Peter Brooks says this really beautiful thing um that you've got to hang on tightly and Let Go Lightly yeah and then once
you get near or into a position of power it's an intoxicating Force I mean yes this is about a concert musician but it could just as easily have been about an architect or you know someone who's you know the guru of Apple music you know you know no but you don't mean like once you once you're in a certain position you think well how do I keep evolving here and is the power actually making me
become I don't know the answer to this question but is it calcifying my relationship to the instincts and and the kind of the questions that drove me into kind of even arriving in this seat right now that's why the opening scene which is you know I've never seen anything like this where you've been sitting in a in a seat watching a film and I don't know the exaggeration because I wasn't keeping time but it was
of that of that interview where it's it's really I mean first of all I mean I'm only going to get into the detail of how it begins and it's it's also Oh you mean the talk right at the beginning yeah so it's a product at the beginning and it really introduces the character uh in a lot of different layers and it also introduces the way people feel about the character in that moment in
time which is pure reverence and you're someone who's been so heavily revered throughout your life for the work that you do and yet you seem to wear it and carry it in a way that's realistic a lot of people struggle with it and I wonder kind of how reverence feels the real reverence in real life I don't know you know for for everybody who you know might review there's many people who
revile you um I mean I I think you have to take the group with the with the bad it's it's hard to to know what to do with uh praise yeah it's sort of um and I think I realized very early on you know that there were well when I and this is something share with todda too I think is that when I came out of drama school all those years ago um I don't think anyone really knew what to do with me I didn't fit into a box
and um and I certainly didn't think I had a film career that wasn't on my Horizon so I sort of just had to seize any opportunity that came my way or make an opportunity out of something that looked like a piece of trash to somebody else you know and and um and sort of become my own um I don't know I might I just had to I just had to look around for things and I and also I didn't really I didn't
really have any place in particular I wanted to get I had a fake you know someone asked me they always ask you when you leave High School what do you want to do with your life I went I want to travel with my work what a great answer that was all I wanted but that's a beautiful answer because a lot of the times you know yeah you most certainly have and and continue to do so and that's and not just I know what you mean
by that but also travel through your work yeah yeah I mean that is that is the joy and and and privilege of of um being a working actor is that you you do get to inhabit lots of different yeah um identities and and so it's really taught me that you know my sense of identity who I am or how people perceive me it's a it's a fluid thing you know so it's not something that I've ever
spent a lot of time dwelling on or you know and I I'm hoping it doesn't sort of calcified too too quickly because it can be I find it can be limiting you know I'd rather think about other people's experiences this is quite an experience and this character um it's really interesting for me I respected her greatly and I admired her ability and and the climb and and I and and the destination there was times I
struggled to connect with her or you can use the L word you can say like I didn't really like her you don't put your thumb up but I I really liked her when she was with her daughter so you struggled to to to find um likability there except for those moments when you could see she was striving to like herself that was maybe I'm overthinking it I'm an overthinker but when she was with her daughter you
could see that she was really searching for a way to get back to her true nature and then she'd have to go back and almost be the person people needed her to be it's funny because um I think we like to be able to place people and their concerns their jobs their perspectives into neat little bundles and you know 20 characters and and we the thing I always think about a character um whether it's a character in a novel
or a character in film one that I've played one that I've watched is that that we're different we're constantly different people with or you know all the different people we encounter and um I wanted to make that that relationship with their daughter very special it was like an island of that she was a very different creature yeah with but I also think with and it's probably hard for me to be
objective about it but I I think with the character that it's we don't want to like her yeah because she does and says things I mean she's very funny funny he had nice yeah yeah she's um I mean well some of the situations she finds herself in are absurd yeah but we don't want to like her because she does things because of this fly on the wall filmmaking you see her do things like steal things take things yeah
um react to things in the way that we might but we don't want to admit that we do you know you don't have to be a concert musician to to sort of um do and say things that you sort of regret later yeah the sound design on this film was so fascinating to me the film at the very core of it is about creating a sound that is from a pure place that is there to inspire to heal to emote to to push people to feel
something or senses and yet the way that it's used throughout the film is as a an essentially important addition to the tension of this film I mean the doorbell transfer translated and transposed over to the piano yes it's a great moment isn't it because yeah because it's weird as someone who's gone to music my whole life and made it outside of my family and friends my life I I found it was
giving me anxiety and that's not something music often does it's very cleverly done yeah um she has a I mean I don't know if you have this because you spend so much time listening so so deeply yeah but she has a thing that I didn't even know was a A syndrome or a quote-unquote disorder was misophonia which you know innocent sounds to to the average ear can can produce Terror and rage yeah and almost be Amplified yeah
you know there's a Roald Dahl story I think it's called The Box and it's about um a man who invents a machine that um where he can hear all organic sounds he can hear the grass come growing he can feel the leaves you know falling off the tree you know saying here we go and and many cases he puts he puts it into his ear and he can't turn it off so that means he has scream of the blades of
grasses as they're being mine and so so that sort of quality is the downside of her gift is that she has um an acute sensitivity to to sound and a lot of conductors that I spoke to have a similar uh a similar thing and so silence is an incredibly incredibly important thing yeah so for me I mean I mean I'm I love Marla's Fifth Symphony I mean I'll be second I'll have the third I mean they were all magnificent but
there's a and someone was asking me the other day what was my favorite movement and I said well really it's between the end of the schizo in that breath when the orchestra rearranges themselves to play the digetto it's the suspension it's that moment of silence that is made by sound stopping yeah that's the notes between the notes and that's why I always um it's funny as well because when you
when you see characters or you hear music by people that you can tell that they they reach a certain height in their life um something visceral that they can't feel in the day-to-day they only feel it in that moment I always feel like that's how Coltrane felt or someone when he wasn't in the moment lost in all of that beauty that real life was hard for him was hard for people yeah it's wild I think there's a
lot of distractions in real life when they're not playing music that obviously take people down yeah I think so because it's an you know it's an energy that flows it's a life force you know and there's many different types of music of course it's in this particular film and I mean I I always turn to music when I'm thinking about the character because it speaks to the soul of the person you
know the thing that they're either estranged from or yearning to express or the people don't understand can you bring that into the character even if it's not an essential part of the characters personality and often it's contrapunctal because what what I did in this instance I'd heard that Simon Rattle had um he was he'd said once that he as from a young child he heard music all the time and he just thought that
this was something that everybody did in him that he realized in fact this wasn't you know normal yeah and so I thought well I'm going to put an earwig in my ear and I'm going to be listening to to music the whole time every time I'm you know I'm having lunch with someone in in a scene or I'm just I'm talking to the orchestra I'm going to be hearing something you know there's a kind of a
level of distraction or preoccupation that makes you feel like you're you know the characters alive and then I I thought oh well of course it's going to be Mala that I've listened to but I know I listen to so many um Gregorian chants and gorecki and xanakis and then you know I'd I'd put on the Triffids or you know I'd put on tribal drums you know because often or and then sometimes I would literally
listen to 60 beats a minute or I'd listen to sort of 125 beats a minute when in fact the character was walking really slow because you realize that oftentimes we sit on levels of anxiety professionally that you have to particularly right now right now no no no not now and my heartbeat slowing down but you know like it's sometimes we our our mind our spirit is um or our distracted brain is working even though
we might be moving and speaking slowly something else is going on internally and I think in terms of your Coltrane reference I think that's you're constantly hearing music experiencing the music I am I imagine but then not being able to play it and release it yeah because that's the thing the music Bernstein said is that you know that the that the um the inhalation is is is the inspiration and the exhalation breathes
out with the music and to not being able to breathe with your instrument yeah I mean that's the biggest thing is when as a conductor you can't play unless you have your instrument that human instrument in front of you and yet she is so challenging on a human interaction level she struggles to connect with people I think I think she has a heart don't we all but there is a definitely a
stronger correlation between someone who needs to inspire people in such an incredible way and then when she's not on the podium struggles to identify I mean it makes total sense that you were listening to music and trying to find ways to move in and outside of other people in your environment because it's always like she's always disinterested in a hurry there's something always
going on that's distracting a distraction yeah from the thing you know and I think that's in a way um she's very very estranged from herself yeah as a lot of people I think we became estranged from ourselves and then we found ourselves in the in the pandemic and also and thank you therapy yeah thank you therapy yeah which she probably hasn't done enough of yeah you know and then we find ourselves in
silence isolated unable to ignore who we are and it was a really confronting moment that's a big one all of us yeah that was a big one for me I mean that was I know exactly the phase of my life when when um you know what I'd created wasn't uh communicating or connected properly to my true self and it does requires a great unpacking and she didn't get there no well or did she uh well maybe yeah maybe she was taking it
yeah because I mean it's it's also she's um you know something maybe I mean I think any connection that you have with her with a character is um to you personally it's gonna exist you don't have to mine that too deeply but something that I I did connect to is the sense that she's people didn't know how to categorize her because she'd done a lot of different things and there's a sense that people
it's easier for people if you just do the one one thing and the fact that she'd gone down the UK yearly Valley with the Shippy boganibo people and here she was running the greatest Orchestra of all time getting ready to to um perform Mala is it you juxtapose those two things you think wow okay so which one are you yeah and you know you can be both of those things simultaneously but you're right the
institutions that are there to support and and Foster the culture that she's in aren't I never felt there were 100 on board they they they appreciated the success and they appreciated her talents and abilities there's always a feeling that when she closed the door in another reality beyond the film yeah well look I mean the board Boards of cultural institutions I mean uh shareholders
um stakeholders you know um advertisers that the people at the the top Who Run The multinationals Who ultimately own all of these creative companies that we all work for you know it's it's um they can totally get in the way because you you wonder you think well I'm in control of the music am I not you know this is what she's saying to herself I'm the reason why you're all here so shouldn't
you just let me do what I'm doing but of course they've got a lot of compliance issues you know and and she lives in a different world she you know she if she's the wrong uh the the right person at the wrong time you know you know power that's the word and um and it really is one of those things where it's like um you would you achieve a certain amount of success and respect and that translates into power and then people
are attracted to it and then it becomes this it can become this very murky world yeah of who does world and what's relatable and what's considered appropriate or inappropriate and it we live in a time now this is something you have children we have cares over 16 or 14 year old I mean the thrash that's happening now is yeah and it's good I mean in the end it's going to be great because we cause boundaries and Clarity
are important but but there are some stories there are real stories out here that are confusing it's a confusing time and and this character plays into that brilliantly I think because on the one hand I it's hard for me not to feel like there's some responsibility at play here there's she's always trying to stay ahead of the story she's trying to get rid of the emails do this do this do
this but at the end of it it's like I never really feel like anything was actually presented that was clear yeah I mean I think it's the the subtlety of Todd's screenplay and that you she's a person who is constantly which is admirable as an artist is that she's always wanting to subvert expectations not just for an audience but for herself but then when she feels that people on a
personal level a professional level are starting to predict what she's going to do to her own detriment and to the detriment of others she will kind of swervin and and go the opposite direction which is is quite an immature thing to do well there's people constantly trying to get in front of her and say just stop and face the situation this can be resolved if we Face the situation and figure out what is real
and she just is like to your point she's off somewhere else and and is yeah using the work as the North Star yeah at all times yeah and I mean her her partner um in you know in work and life and played by the great Nina horse it was so great to work with her amazing you know that she had they've had this um fantastic partnership which is you know it's threatening to to bust up and I do think it's to do with the fact that on a
on a human level she's she's she's thinking about time lapse like what do I need to do and as a parent as someone in a relationship you do find yourself sometimes I think on a solitary path even though we see her in a massive community of musicians and in a really kind of um previously successful um musical partnership and in relationships so it's yeah there's a lot going on do you think in some respects
thinking about where she ends up in the film um and ultimately it feels like it's I think in a way you could say it was taken out of her hands and she ultimately lost control but I wonder whether that was by Design in the subconscious way all the way along that she was looking for something else all the way along yeah I think I think unconsciously there is a it's it's look a creative Force we talk about
making something you know giving birth to something bringing something into the world you know but there's a a parallel force in creativity which is profoundly destructive and um you know that you think about Eve Klein you know burning the money I'm sure it's a political act as much as anything else you know over the sand you know um or or leaping into the air or risking death I think as an
artist you have to be inconsistent in order to keep things fresh you know we're not political figures really I mean and this is the complicated thing isn't it is that you then have a platform so people ask you to weigh in on on supposed political issues yeah um but you want to be engaged in the world but you're you are a rolling stone in the sense that you kind of you move you're moving with the thing that you're
absorbing and and reacting to it was never like that hundreds of thousands of years ago I mean the role of art was there to entertain and even if it created a perspective it was it was never to influence the chamber or the or the or the you know those in power it was never that it was a reflection of the time it never influence I agree the idea of influence within the Arts is the
difference between reflection and influence I think if you want to reflect on something and your voice be heard just the same as it is by anybody up or down any Street that's fine but if you're expected to influence that's a heavy as the head that wears the crown of that but it's also it's you can't know what is going to connect with people and you can go back in in in time centuries ago I mean artists were
pariahs they were on the outside they were terrifying figures they were shamanic you know um and and they or they were profiteers or they said things that were you know you had to if you were saying something inside the court you were performing inside the court and you wanted to say anything provocative it had to be done through symbolism right that's right you know but but now it's it's sort of either you know big
pay political or it's just entertainment speaking of entertainment I I you have been some in some of the most brilliantly created and entertaining films and it's a fine line between the two there's a lot of entertainment out there yes there's a lot of I hate the word content it's content it's the worst but you know what it is it's almost kind of I was going to say it almost is an appropriate term because
it is so dismissive and that's what a lot of it is right we it's all and it's great it's great to create it's great to share everyone really in this planet should have a right to be able to create yeah right yeah but It ultimately fills up if you let it it can fill up the the finite amount of space we have to absorb and we do have a fun and amount of space um I feel like you know you don't ever
do anything as far as your work is concerned um unless you absolutely want to do it I don't honestly think that that's the case for everybody I think some people feel they have to some people have different priorities what ultimately gets you back back in front of the camera what is it if you could boil it down to something simple or just a constant that you know inside yourself
Burns deep that when you know I have to do this well I find it very hard to say no and maybe I should get better better at it I mean and I say no in a lot of ways I don't but but no to a creative when someone throws the gauntlet down creatively sometimes it's um you know you know you can help something get made something that you um uh that that if you're a small part of then that story can be told you know
sometimes it's that you you can be if you have a kind of a a platform or um you know access to something that you can facilitate something and sometimes it's you know it's just because I I read something or I have a conversation with something someone and I want to be part of that ongoing conversation because it's it's the process in the end because the process itself um it doesn't always have to be
enjoyable but stimulating and then it has I think the thing has a chance to be something I mean sometimes it's just uh to have fun to be honest but it's it's usually just about I don't know the decision is already made before I've made it consciously I think um and sometimes it's you know a reaction to something you've done before you know you feel like oh I've been exercising that muscle and this this uh
this arm's beginning to atrophy and then something comes along and you think oh that's I can you know learn to use my fingers again okay okay so so you so you you great at shoulders great upper body struggle a bit with the legs in terms of like the muscles but I've got a bunion okay fair enough you've got a great excuse but I mean over the course of you know your work what has been the area
where the muscle required the most amount of work they ultimately you felt oh okay this is something that's really going to stretch me in a big way silence I talk too much I do too much and it's really time to be silent so however it's not working particularly well this morning but I think it's I think it's silence and my kids are constantly saying would you just do one thing at a time and then
I say to them okay well can you do your washing then and then it doesn't work I've always had a sense that life is incredibly short and so you know being being part of something being out there and being engaged but it's also you know it's it's sometimes good to be really to be really simple I mean Batista is this fantastic thing it's just you know don't try and be original just be just
be simple and and and if something is and be good we have to be good technically but then if something is there it'll flow through you I'm so glad you said that because a friend of mine was working on a big album and and everyone around us was like it's got to be something we've got to do something original with this and I called oh my God that's death that's worst it's the worst and he said you know what mate you
know what I don't really I like that word make something original like you could go like I could ride a bike on Mars yeah but will anyone watch it no I just love that I think we do put a huge amount especially because we have a we do a great job of um we've democratized creativity to such a great we've established that's a great thing to such a degree that we're now I think we are experiencing some form of
limitation in terms of what we see on screen what we hear are now in our headphones however anyone creates maybe with the exception of canvas or I really feel people can immerse themselves in something abstract enough where it feels out of control but I worry sometimes that we're heading towards a loop what a linear literal Loop yeah a little bit because I just start hearing yourself
back yeah exactly and and the idea of originality becomes all the more impossible to achieve well I mean you know like I think a lot of things that we we say I mean the the streamers are voracious and they make spaces that need to be filled and then they have a certain way of developing things so that even even things that seem to be about things differently they taste the same they're made in the same way and they
stay around about the same amount of time as everything else that's the other thing yeah we're on to the next thing yeah I mean it's that's why I mean I love I love discovering things on walks or or going into I'm not vaguely religious at all but you know going into a cathedral and just sitting and smelling that and just thinking wow this for good or ill has been here for a long time and a lot of
people have made moved through with a lot of Yearning and prayers and hopes and dreams and they've sat here it's like oh ah my favorite spaces are so beautiful yeah and old theaters you know because every time you finish a a show it gets painted Back to Black and you just need to scratch your nail down and you go my God the layers of History I know these walls hold such an amount of
you know energy ideas do you feel the history when you walk into a room okay are you attuned do you go like oh man I can because sometimes I go in recording studios and I'm like I can still hear the notes I can still I can feel the experience in here definitely definitely there was this place um a friend of mine Julian Roosevelt who's a a what do you call them anymore a video artist in Berlin we shot this um
thing about artist manifestos and one of the manifestos we shot in the in these three rooms in Berlin in a um a sound University yeah and one was a completely dead space and one was a really live space and being inside the Dead Space I had the weirdest thing ever I've done it as well yeah did that did it freak you out you know what's really interesting is that from DJing for years and years I
developed a manageable but pretty consistent low tinnitus right so I can I can hear it but it's I've learned to live with it and it's cool um when I was in that room complete silence a dead space no sense of echo reverberational Reverb it went down did it it went down I could barely hear it it was the craziest thing I would have thought it'd been the opposite that's really interesting couldn't and could
you feel or hear your heartbeat yeah I could hear my heartbeat I could hear things I've never heard before like it's so strange you sort of hear a tiny little Russell I don't even know what that was was it like a follicle like I don't know it was really weird but what was interesting to me was I thought that I would feel some kind of anxiety being in that space because again of what I
was going to hear and and being too all too aware of my environment and being a little bit like you by the sounds of it needing to move all the time restlessness it's called gotta fill it in the biz I gotta fill it I gotta feel it what I'm gonna do with it yeah right yeah and I did I just didn't it it was calming and everything I was worried about just fell away but you surrendered I think yes so few moments yes
um in our lives where we truly truly surrender and you know there's a great Act of humility and it is somehow accepting um our powerlessness and that we have an incredible power in that moment through through surrendering to an experience a positive experience well I often say you know brutal abusive experience it's just true but I often say that um the true Act of Letting Go exists at Birth and
exists at death and everything in between we're just trying to hold on to way too tight yeah you know and old age though bladder control yes that's something I'm not looking forward so I'm not looking forward to that one have you figured out how you're going to do it yet it's weird I've been thinking about diapers it's that simple that's a good that's a that's a good sign oh my God
speaking about odd diapers okay I was on stage um I was on Broadway That's The Tick-Tock clip back that one up and it was New Year's Eve and so we had to do the show on news we had to get out because the Times Square was going to fill up yeah and um and someone told me one of the most depressing facts is that apparently on on news Eve in New York right the sale of adult diapers goes
through the roof because once you get in to to Times Square you can't get out and you're drinking beer you're eating pizza it's like I mean God I don't you think the garbage collectors need to be the best paid people on the planet yeah that big bonus day but I would say that the moment that you go into a store as a as an adult who lives a life that's probably to some degree with an equilibrium a balance there work love
family raise eat nurture surrender hey bills a little bit of surrender here and there maybe on New Year's Eve but the day that you go into a store consciously and willingly by some adult diapers and I am going to ring in the New Year in my own those things on I'm going for it I'm going for it I mean that is going you got your diapers yeah you got your diaper don't be a idiot put your diapers
on double bag yourself we're not doing it like 2017 again mate learn your lesson have you figured it up talk about weird things to think about right you talk about life being too short it's interesting observation again I I don't disagree about that that idea of like feeling like you need to make the most of time have you figured out how you're gonna how you're gonna like really yeah like really age it like like
is it is it like a really comfortable hospital bed with a great view in bellinis every hour on the hour like just top me up until I go like have you thought about it that sounds good look I I mean God I mean I just had a friend who's um her father passed away really unexpectedly and all you can say to yourself in that moment is it was quick yeah I'd look I want to be prepared for it um you know okay that's interesting
preparation so I think I mean you know people do talk about um I think a lot of people when I was at University you know in their early 20s and I thought it was a bit more but at the time but maybe not you know they were everyone was reading the Tibetan book of living and dying okay what university did you go to mate I don't know the University of university of Life Care Now most people
were reading something they're not reading at all be no they're reading Beno um where's Kate you don't want to know mate yes she's preparing for her own death turn 21. she's ready no no I don't know I mean what are you gonna do I mean I hope I hope I'm surrounded by those that I love as corny as that no that's that's the number one number two is I just wanna I just want to be glamorous
and glorious I just want to look as cute as I can Barbara Cartland yeah yeah bellinis every hour on the out top me up until I'm done that sounds good nurse ratchet no you know just just I don't know about what nurse Ratchet In the Mix glamorous Nursery now we're delving into places that maybe you and your wife should delve into and you shouldn't go any further with me in a public space let's just stop right no
Tommy mate don't tell me with that you know the person who was ready to pass over across used to be the most powerful magnetic person in the village yeah you want to be around them because you knew that they were about to see and experience experience something that was mystical and magical surely is the only time that we can truly create context out of it all yeah and look I mean no I
remember when my grandmother who um maternal grandmother who I grew up with and my my mother was with her when she died and she said it was the biggest privilege of my life to be there when she when she passed away yeah my wife said the same thing her she wouldn't had that experience with her father my mom has dementia right now and is no I'm sorry it's thanks and it's such a it away I mean it's just it's like horrible
to see and it really makes it what it really drove home for me was memories like the only currency that truly matters out of any of this is experience yeah and also music that's the thing yes because she dances and that's what's right that's how she communicates is through music God that's what I wanted I want to go out dancing yeah yeah yeah so you just have to make her safe so she's not going to injure
herself if you can go out dancing yeah yeah it's pretty incredible I've got some amazing videos of her like dancing to Peter Gabriel and it's like she goes somewhere else and it's it's just wild to watch and that's what's so beautiful about things like music is that it speaks the link we always try to I spend my whole life dancing about architecture yes yes yes yes right all I'm doing is trying to figure it out
yeah and what I figured out is they really will never figure it out but it's great for the Curiosity value and if you're a fan I just get a story after story but it is how can you not believe in magic and then hear what you heard on the podium and understand what it feels like to be in that room how can you not believe him I mean it's magic it is Magic it is miraculous I think and that's the thing is we we talk about
miracles as being as coming from other places but I mean music is connected to to another realm I think and and you know to have and that's why we need there's nothing beats the live experience you know there is something miraculous about it you know when someone makes a note and puts another note beside us and you know the human voice I mean unaccompanied human voices melding you know throat
singers I mean that yeah look Coulda Shoulda Woulda if only I could have been a throat singer and that's right vitalik I mean I mean we were unbelievable and I mean that's why I love Jeff Buckley so much because he looked to translate that into something that we could identify and understand he went and did the work and then tried to be inspired as others have Be Inspired enough to translate
that how does music play a role in your life outside of your work well I used to listen to music all the time speaking of dancing you know when we had two kids now we have four yeah whether we used to there we used to be music every morning we'd wake up at 6am and just put something random on and we just we'd all of us would dance around the house and then of course as they get older they
have to go to a thing called school you know and then you have to do a thing called a job I mean they'll learn to read one day right um you know and then and that and then the house got noisier and noisier and so I'd always listen to music you know our cars yeah you know hopefully electric vehicles yeah and we will solve the lithium problem with batteries yeah we're on it um but you know that that's a really
private space people you know do things in that and I used to listen to a lot of music in in in the car I was driving here today and I had this experience I don't know I was in the plane coming back from London last night and I had a bloody Mary and I put on an oasis live at net worth thing and I it was 1996 and Liam's just up there and he sounds like an angel and Noel's amazing and there's
125 000 young men and women getting smashed right I cried yeah I cried I cried because there was a moment in slight away when he just hits this note and everything just elevates even on a plane and I got my car turned I put on slide away and I called my nearly called not and glad I didn't I nearly called Noel Gallagher on a Friday night just to randomly tell him which is a No-No and I just it just I
was the last number this year let's listen to that fight again it was just like the whole like 25 you know how many 250 000 people it was just like everyone was seeing that song let me be the one who shines with you and we can slide away come on Patsy left me with nothing but a tea bag come on foreign oh my God see there we go you can go home happy man I've had a great time hanging out with you I likewise it's
been really fun and um you know I I really this movie is this movie was not initially on paper this movie is not for me as an anxious human being who looks to music to relieve my anxiety I found this to be a tense and and very enthralling watch and I just I want to say though at the end of it I was blown away um I love it and you pulled off an incredible feat in this film of humanizing somebody whose life is just
falling complicated and kind of falling down around her in in a pace which is not normal for film yeah normally the reveal happens quicker than it does but boy when it does it falls apart real quick yeah and so the tension that you had to exist in as a character for most of this film it's a ghost story in a lot of ways I love a ghost story yeah yeah we're here's to Ghost Stories yeah she is