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I've I've got to I've got to get into the making of the song and and be a little nerdy about it cuz it's such a monster take Heath, you, Durk, Kanye.
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Just tell us the story about how this song got built and got made.
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This song been in the vault for a minute.
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Um he is a he cuz for some reason I'll be thinking some songs just have genders. It's weird. Um so the song is a boy.
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And this song is is I think is a little bit older than WAP.
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I think I recorded this song like around 2019 around there.
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Definitely yeah, like around way before COVID and everything.
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So I've been having this song for a minute.
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And um everybody always loved this record, but I always feel like this record so masculine.
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I don't know if people want want to hear that from me and everything.
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And then um you know, I'm a I'm like a Libra, so I always like to know what people feel about my music.
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I don't know if I I don't know if I told you this before, but I I like to I like when um I like when like younger people like in like my little cousins, they're like our teenagers or like my cousins, they'd be in the streets or like my my friends.
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I like them to listen to the song and also like, you know, the music people that work with me.
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And people always loved this record, but I always felt like it needed a male feature, but I did not know which male artist was to put on this record because this has like a certain type of beat that I feel like only certain artists could freak it. Yeah.
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If you hear it, you could like if you hear it, you going to be like, "Hmm, there's only certain artists that could be on this record.
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Not There's not for everybody.
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You have to like rap on this record."
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You know what I'm saying? Absolutely.
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I mean, as soon as you come on it, you dominate it.
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And I'm waiting to hear what Durk's going to do and what Ye's going to do.
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And respectfully to those and powerful great artists, I'm like, "But you set the bar so high that when Durk comes in, anything less than at his best is not going to be good enough for you or for this beat." I agree.
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I never spoke to him before.
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And like, you know, I was having a a meeting with my label and everything.
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And I was like, "This needs like a little like like a it's missing something.
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Like we still missing a artist to it."
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And he said, "Um how about Lil Durk?"
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And I'm like, "Yeah, all right." Send it to him.
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And as soon as they send the record like the next day, I feel like a couple of hours.
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They was like, "Oh yeah, he he sent he sent in the verse."
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I was like, "Oh And I loved it right away.
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It's really great the way that you guys trade off and pass it around as well.
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It feels like all three of you even though it's probably not the case, are in the room.
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And it's it's got that real kind of passing the microphone energy that I've I think we've always loved about rappers coming together.
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And that energy is really addictive.
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So Durk destroys it, you've already destroyed it.
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What's left for Ye at the end?
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And and it's it's crazy how he comes in and does that kind of Ye 2022, that combination of like rapping but also talking about his life and he's got that that crazy balance between the two now working for him. How is that?
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Durk verse is really street.
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So I will I see like I see like almost like bronze like bronze kids like listening to to his verse.
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And then when Kanye verse come in, you see people that are more like into that money, into that grown So I like how both like how different the different elements that they bring to the to the song.
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And you know, um Kanye gave me this verse a couple of months ago when he was just, you know, when he was just all over the media because of, you know, all of this all of the things that were going on.
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And um I just like how it's like I like how his verse is like is is personal, but it's not that personal. Yeah.
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It's like enjoyable in the clubs that you could be like, "Yeah, yeah, you talk your big cash." So I I I really love it.
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And I'm so happy that he gave me this verse.
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And I had a lot of conversations with Kanye West.
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I learned so much about him.
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And he's such a he's such an amazing sweet person like Um I be feeling like I wish a lot of people have conversations with him so they could just see like the the real the hint.
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I've said this to people too.
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And I've I've never probably I wouldn't have had the the conversations off the record you've had, but I've had numerous conversations with him on the record.
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And and I've seen that side of him.
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And and I often say that to people when they ask what he's like.
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I'm like, "He's a he's a really sweet, thoughtful, very intelligent, ambitious guy."
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And and he's a combination of all of these things.
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And I think the Kanye that that sometimes we see as a persona is the is the Kanye people assume is the real person.
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And it's you've been through this yourself where there's a line blurred between who you are as a person versus who people see you as and decide you are as Cardi B.
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You know what that feels like.
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It's almost like a persona, but like it it really kind of not.
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Like let's say if he believes in something, right?
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And you'll be like, "Do you really believe in this because you just want to be different or like do you really believe in it because of thing?"
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And it's like, "Yeah, I really believe in it."
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And but he got his reasons why he believe in it.
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And when he give you these reasons, you'll be like, "Oh, okay, that does make sense. Like I I get it.
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I get why you why you think like that.
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I get why you feel that way.
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I understand where you're coming from."
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like if you if he when he explain it to you, you'll be like, "All right.
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All right, I get it now."
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So it's just like a balance.
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He's really like a balance.
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Whenever you show up with other people on their music, you bring so much to the table. We'd love to hear it.
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Obviously Up was a moment, kept things moving.
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This is going to be one of your biggest moments yet.
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At the risk of sounding ungrateful, as a fan, Cardi, I got to ask like are we getting to are we getting to Cardi season yet?
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Is it Is there something coming? For sure. For sure. For sure.
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Like Like we getting there.
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I'm I'm just, you know, um How can I explain it?
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like it's like right after this record, I have a I have another one that is different from this record.
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And right after that, I really just want to put the album together.
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I'm just trying to put all my plans together and and everything together.
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You know, right now I'm doing a lot of transitions with my team.
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And I just I told people that I'm going to be more outside.
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Like, you know, I've been I've been preparing myself for my for for a festival.
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And I haven't performed in a crowd since 2019.
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Just even my body, the way that I that I program, I'm a little bit different now.
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So right now I'm trying to break my shell with everything.
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Even even now, you know, like I'm I'm really nervous.
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I haven't put out a single since Up.
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That's almost a year and a half ago.
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So I'm just I'm just breaking in.
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But like once I I I get comfortable and I start setting in, um I'm ready to go on beast mode.
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Like We are so ready for it.
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Um but before I let you go, I want to give you just a second for us to talk about the video cuz obviously once again a really strong visual that art really incredible artwork that's come with this. Powerful imagery.
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Um how was it making the video?
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And and and what were your sort of first impressions of the treatment and everything you started to see? Oh my goodness.
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I don't even want to talk about the video because it's just like this video has brought me so much drama. Why? Why?
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So this is the first time I ever do CGI.
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Um I'm very particular on how I like my things.
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And I really like when when things look super realistic.
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I like I I like building sets or I like to be in a place.
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Like if I want to do a video in a supermarket, I'm going to do the video in the supermarket.
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You know what I'm saying? I don't really do CGI.
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So this my first time trying CGI.
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And it was something very different for me.
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I couldn't maneuver or move how I wanted to because I was very confused.
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And then um then I find out after I finished the video, I find out that this takes so long.
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I mean, I I did this video like around March and it's still not even ready yet.
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And it's just like uh it's just so frustrating that I'm like, "You know what? Just put the song out.
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I don't even give a anymore."
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Like I'm just I'm I'm over it. That's it for CGI.
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You're done with any of that digital landscape stuff.
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Yeah, you see, that's what happens when you like move out your comfort zone.
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Like I I This track is huge.
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I I understand the nerves.
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I love the fact that you're nervous and when artists say that they care so much that before it comes out, you get that sense of anticipation that we all have. But it is so amazing.
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This song is so tough and so hard.
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And and I know it's taken its time, but I feel like everything's in the right place right now.
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I'm excited for the future for you. I'm excited too. I'm nervous. I'm I'm so nervous.
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I don't even know what's going on. Like I don't know.
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Maybe I need to smoke weed again.
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Like You're not smoking anymore? You're done with that. That's it. You're done.
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I I haven't smoked weed in like 6 years, but it's like I don't know what is going on. I'm so nervous.
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May- maybe I need to rub myself with some CBD CBD oil.
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I don't know what's going on, but I'm excited for I'm excited for this record.
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Um I think this is a fun record.
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You know, I love I love to go out.
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Um I love to go to clubs.
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And um I like to support my strippers.
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And I just feel like I haven't really heard a lot of music in the club that is like when it comes on, it just make me want to throw bands, like I I feel like we missing these club bangers.
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I don't know what's going on right now.
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I'm just like I want to hear like I want to hear something.
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Like I want to hear like uh You know like one of those records that Meek used to do, like I want to hear one of those that it's just like pump me up, like that's what I I'm trying to bring that with this record.