by doing these five things you could achieve a life expectancy of 92 so one two is three is four is maintain a BMI between and then five is I was thinking about where to start and I think we'll start with your love of biographies where did this start and what are the what are a few of the
lessons that you've learned from them I suppose I approached this question with the contemplation how do you understand reality and there's a few ways of doing that we're we're born into this world and we're given a narrative about existence and that narrative
depends upon when you're born and where you're born and to whom you're born but you're told certain things about yourself and why you exist and what they care about and how Society works and what ethics are and norms and there's never been universals if you look at the thousands of different societies that
have emerged on Earth it's extremely Vari varied and so if you if you're POS if you're poking at this situation and you're saying okay I know that I'm born into a given system and this system is not a universal truth system it's just where I'm at in time and place and it's
going to change in time then you know you can go about poking out a few ways like you can try to say I'm going to take a quantitative approach and say I'm going to learn the world through mathematics or through physics or through some scientific engine uh discipline or I'm going to
understand it through behavioral psychology and and so you you kind of have to approach systems understanding and biographies for me was something that always intuitively helped me make sense because I was able to transport myself in time and be in different times and places
instantaneously and understand with a pretty decent level of detail what was happening at that point you know how people thought what they cared about how it contrasted with my time and place and so I'd say biographies have been the most useful thing I've ever invested my
time in that has helped me understand reality uh with various dimensions and perspectives at any given moment are there a few that stand out to you that you reread time and time again probably the biography of Zero by Charles sea the the number zero it was not it was not common sense to me that the number zero
has not always been around but it took Humanity a long time thousands of years to discover the number of zero and even when you do Discover it uh to really understand the potential you know so from cartisian geometry from uclid elements to cartisian geometry or the function that
zero plays in the vanishing point in art or how zero enables the modern world in computation it took a long time so I'd say zero is probably my favorite one because it's an entity it's an idea it's a concept it's a number that has revolutionized almost every part of
society I was listening in previous interviews and you said I think it was age 24 you got depressed what happened yeah I think it was the onset was circumstantial I had my first baby and he was KY so he just cried nonstop and I don't think his mother and I got a night of sleep of good rest for
for six months meanwhile I was building a startup and I was grinding at that with all the stresses of not having income and trying to make something work that was new and then I was in a new marriage and then I was also dealing with some internal tur turmoil related
to my religious situation where I wanted to leave my religion but I was pretty stuck in the system with my community and the family and all the societal like all all my community structure and it was just a chaotic time in life and I remember it as the day my brain snapped
I just felt like something broke and I couldn't put my finger on it but it just felt something felt different and yeah and I was in that hole for 10 years did you know you were depressed yes unquestionably yeah it it strikes me with somebody who takes such a scientific approach to things that you
would do the same with depression what was the process of after you recognized you were depressed what was the process to sort of get out of that depression you know I was raised in this small rural community that was really the existence was religion and so I was taught to
understand reality through story not through mathematical methods not through scientific methods in fact I didn't meet an engineer until I was in my early 20s and so I just hadn't yet developed the cognitive abilities to think like a scientist or engineer and it's always hard it's always complex
looking at your past but I I do you know I do reflect like what would it have been like if I would have had some awareness and some training early in life of how to think about the world quantitatively and it was one of the most significant moments in my life when I read this book by Gary Becker a Nobel
Prize Laurette from the University of Chicago and in this he was writing essays excuse me for news week and he would take a given topic uh like poverty for example and he wouldn't describe it in qualitative terms in story terms he would talk about it in numerical terms
and it was I think one of the most joyous moments of my life to understand that reality could be understood in mathematical terms and I did go to the University of Chicago and I got a master's degree there but I do Wonder in that decade of depression if you know if
storytelling wasn't my primary skill set for problem solving what would have happened in my life what advice would you have today for somebody who might feel depressed having been through that yourself first I understand you uh the the mind is Relentless and so when people feel suicidal I am deeply
empathetic it is it is rational to want to kill oneself uh it's reasonable so when you're in that moment it's it feels lonely when you try to explain to somebody how you feel and how life is not worth it and a response is something like get over it or just feel better or
like go out side it's it's hard it makes you feel very isolated and not able to reach out and get the help you need and so one is I would say I understand you deeply and I empathize with you deeply and then I would say there's some basic things you can do to increase your
circumstances one would be sleep I would make sleep your number one life priority like the most important thing you do in any given day is high quality sleep and I would build your life around it because when you have good sleep so many of the things in life are much better
and then if you get good sleep you can start doing some baby steps into exercise even going out a walk every day doing something small and then starting to add a few good foods and a few fewer bad foods but just baby stepping your way because when you're depressed you don't have the ambition and energy to do
big stuff and so the really it's the winds are in the baby steps and it starts to sleep because once you can sleep well your energy goes up and your motivation goes up and your discipline and willpower increases so try to get the fly will moving in a positive direction where every day you have just
a little bit more energy to make one more positive baby step it it's almost Auto autocatalytic for the negative right like you because you're depressed you become more depressed like it feeds into itself it does and it sometimes I suppose in a dark humor uh sort of way
we humans kind of got stuck in this really weird level of Consciousness you know like a dog seems to be optimal and its level of Happiness about existence and we humans are smart enough to do the remarkable things we've done but yet our mental existence can be extraordinarily challenging and it seems
to be we share many of these challenging traits that it's not uh often that we're given a default mental state that is just nice all the time it's a pretty brutal place in our minds most of our minds and I wonder if in how we're moving as a species if we can evolve
past this and if we do look back like yeah we we got stuck in that narrow band that was pretty uncomfortable when did you start to overeat or binge eat as you you've mentioned before it was a soothing mechanism for my depression I I wanted to feel some form of stimulation
I was so dead inside something some sort of arousal some sort of pleasure and my life was just devoid of pleasure I mean in in the religion I was in it's like you you don't do caffeine you don't smoke you don't drink you don't go to clubs you don't you know like you don't look at porn you're
basically just devoid of those kinds of pleasures and you're you're supposed to derive pleasure from uh being in service of others and obeying God's Commandments and like those are your rewards that generate now of course those things do generate rewards and you we
all understand that when we do help up someone else we do feel that uh but you know when you're grinding 247 on a startup startups are just pure pain like you don't feel Joy for years and when you're raising babies you have these glimpses of Joy but most of it's just really hard work with a little with a
newborn and so I think my life is just the void of pleasure and I was trying to find a vector where I could feel something and that's what it would do for me th those patterns of self-destructive Behavior get in the way of so many of us I guess the question is how do we stop the patterns of
self-destructive Behavior this is the essence of my entire life's Mission this single question and what I did is you know after failing for a few years and a few hundred times of saying tomorrow I'll start tomorrow is the day one last time time just this one last time and
failing a few hundred times to stop that one day I jokingly said evening Brian you're fired like that you make my life miserable and evening Brian was the version of me that occupied my Consciousness from 5 PM to 10 p.m. he was tired from the day he was you know fighting multiple fires he was trying to
um like deal with the emotional upset of like all the things that had happened during the day like you know very common human experience and then in those in that window of time when he's beat down that's when he goes I don't think evening Bryan's a bad guy I just think
he was just trying to find relief of the burden that he felt in that role and I fired him and so the past few years has basically been trying to reimagine my reality of who's in charge of me who makes decisions at what point what is a sacrifice and what's appropriate and
what I've come down to is with blueprint I wanted to demonstrate that an algorithm takes better care of me than I can myself and to do that I became the most measured person in human history I wanted to show that if you ask the body's 70 plus organs to speak and you consult scientific evidence and then you
let the algorithm run so it tells me what time to go to bed it tells me what to eat it gives me all these nudges on what to do and if I just simply say I can't deviate my mind can't impromptu saying you know what we're going to add a brownie to the lunch session here uh
so removing that and I basically am arguing this is the core of it I'm arguing that as a species this is the most important question facing the human race hands down as algorithms improve and they increasingly become better at at a variety of tasks including taking care
of ourselves on planet Earth what do we do it's I think it's the defining question and contemplation of our existence what percentage of people do you think if if and you have this right you have a blueprint and the algorithm can take care of you better than you we can use
self-driving cars as an example right which we know statistically they're better at driving uh than we are as individuals or collectively maybe not individually what percentage of people are comfortable handing over the reins to an algorithm which is sort of like a purely scientific process right which it
assumes nothing measures everything and adapts as it it gets input this topic is sufficiently Rich and nuanced I wrote an entire book about it titled don't die and in the book I break myself out into multiple characters like evening Bryan's present depression you know uh um this
guy scribe dark humor bran like all these people are there and they have this discussion on what does it mean to have individual individual Choice what does it mean to be run by an algorithm what does uh an ideal existence even mean what does it mean to have choice so it's a really
nuanced conversation but i' say I've I've been hosting dinners at my house for the past few years and having two and a half hour long conversations about this topic and it does take about two and a half hours to get people warmed up I can abbreviate it for you though and I
can tell you the the five big emotional swings that happen so one is I say I pose the question if you could have access to an algorithm that can take better care of you then you can yourself would you say yes now immediately people are like but what about so it branches into a thousand you know questions and I
just say just like assume what you want let's just keep it high level and Abstract yes or no and then people go through this process where the majority of people are vomiting distaste like this is the worst idea I hate it for all these reasons a teeny number of people are like please
save me from myself and the others are like yeah but I want to make the following exceptions which really is no so like there's a lot of resistance the next turn is I say now imagine the 25th Century is viewing us right now and they're observing through our comments
on this question what our norms and ethics are and how we understand ourselves in time and place in the same way we would look at the 16th century with cold detached uh perspective on what they thought and then you flip it so now people are looking at looking at
themselves in the mirror so no longer are they defending their knee-jerk reactions they're invited to be reflective like how did I behave in this moment and what am I really saying I care about and then the the next turn is you say say uh what things about our current reality may change that would
make our current reality unintelligible to us so now you're in this creative space where it's like okay we assume all these things to be unquestionable truths about our existence but we know from history none of these things ever really hang out for very long Society moves
into new truths and new Norms so wherever we're at now it's a temporary State and once you're there like now you've swung from like no way to I'm kind of being reflective on myself to how might things change and then the next step is about the philosophy of this change which is Zero's principal
thinking and then full circle back to the thought experiment but you can see through those beats with about 12 people uh it takes each person the ability to cycle through that these ideas and emotions and hear how other people respond but at the very end uh the majority of people who attend my
dinners are like I gotta say I get it I understand the situation when you say it and I want to go through some of the details of blueprint to me it sounds like an algorithm for living and the algorithms in charge of you and the algorithm is basically just creating a bunch of
automatic rules for success or a recipe to follow you follow the the the rules the algorithm you create an output which is sort of your biomarker and your indicators that feeds back into the system and it adjusts it strikes me that that's sort of easy and sort of really
hard too like do you have I'm imagining your house and walking through it and like do you have bags of chips do you have ice cream and you just don't do it because the algorithm told you or how important is the role of environment and how important is the other stuff going
on here to actually shape that behavior yeah you you know if you're here at the house and you're hanging out with me there's not a lot of trouble we're going to get into with what I have in stock you know if we want to get if we want to get wild and down some extra virgin olive oil
or but no it's I I basically don't trust myself yeah that strikes me as really interesting right because it's sort of like okay we can have this thing of what we want to do but now we got to create an environment or a reality uh and it can be an artificial environment which
the algorithm kind of is is an artificial environment for you and then you have to follow that so you have to have multiple things in line like I'll give you an example so a few years ago I was I was um trying to work out three days a week and I ended up going to the gym because I was like am I actually
working out three days a week and I was like can you give me a list of like all the times that I swiped in and they gave me this list and it you know it's like once I was going like one one and a half times a week and so I was talking with Daniel conman a little later that year
and he had this phone call and he was talking to this this gentleman on the phone and at the end of the call he said I have a rule I never say yes on the phone I'll have to get back to you tomorrow and he hung up and I was like tell me about this what is this Rule and
he's like well I found I was saying yes to please other people I want other people to like me I'm I'm a human I'm a social so I end up doing these things that aren't really good for me and so I created this rule to do this and I was like well this is amazing right this is
the most powerful thing I think you've done and you've got a Nobel Prize so like this is really interesting because you rewire your brain in the moment to think in a certain way which your automatic response becomes that and so I was like I'm gonna try this I'm G to go
to the gym every day I'm gonna work out every day and the duration or scope can change but I'm GNA exercise every day and the conversation went from should I work out today which in my head is like oh I have a really busy day I didn't sleep well I'm not going to work out today I'll do extra tomorrow you
negotiate with yourself to I'm going to do exercise every day and it completely changed my approach to exercise and my health and it sounds like the blueprint is very much an automatic set of rules where you have multiple things aligned but you're trying to follow this pattern
I'm wondering what your response to that is and specifically around how we can correct our self-destructive behaviors your your experience is exactly my if our conversation is about a practical topic of how do you achieve better health or how to increase uh crop yield or how to run a
more efficient uh driving route those are interesting questions the backdrop of this thought experiment is as a species are we facing an existential outcome I mean what are the stakes is it we'll make a little bit less money or we'll have maybe a four
pack instead of a six-pack on our ABS or are we really talking about life and death and my premise is that we are in an existential moment as a species on a variety of fronts and then it invites a contemplation of if that is the case what do you do and so that that question itself
primes the response like how do you stop self-destructive behaviors because because if I say how do I stop self-destructive behaviors without identifying these things a person has a given willingness to change their behavior but then there's it will stop uh if it's like
it's a nice to have but if it's life or death the behavioral change uh profile may be very different and so really I think it depends on where the person's coming from you know like uh someone mentioned to me recently I haven't haven't verified this that the only way to get someone to change is to tell them
they're pregnant or that you know diagnosed them with a certain condition otherwise no change will happen that's interesting a friend of mine had a it brings to mind this story a friend of mine had a heart surgery a while back and I went to visit him in the hospital and I was talking to the
surgeon and you know the surgeon sort of had said all the typ things about changing your diet and changing your lifestyle and when I was talking to the surgeon he goes you know odds are about 10% that he's going to do this and I said well that's interesting and he's
like he he's like I've been a surgeon for 30 years and he's like people used to change all the time because I used to have to break ribs I used to have to like there was a physical pain a big scar a visual reminder and he's like now the incision is like you know half a centimeter
and you know you're in and out of the hospital and there isn't a lot of pain and so he he's like people people change a lot less than they used to and I thought that that that sort of related to what you were talking about I'm wondering if you can walk me through at a high level sort of the overarching day
of blueprint and what does it mean to live like Brian Johnson so the the premise on this is I I was posing the question in the early 2 century is it the case that we have achieved longevity escape velocity which means that for every one year of chronological time that passes
can I stay the same age biologically and if not where are we at and so that's the backdrop on what my daily routine is and so what we did to establish this routine is we looked at every single scientific publication that's ever been done on health span and lifespan we then graded
the the evidence of these papers and we then stack rank them according to effect size and then we've systematically been implementing each one of these these protocols so becoming the most measured person in history and using all the scientific evidence I wake up so my day begins
really the night before I go to bed currently at 9:30 p.m. I just changed my bedtime from 8:30 but it's 8 it's 9:30 on the dot so it's it's not uh I don't have a two-hour window of time and I I recently logged eight months of perfect sleep using my wearable which no human
in history had ever done because I wanted to demonstrate that you can get reliable high quality sleep for this extended period of time and then I wake up naturally I never wake up with an alarm uh roughly 4:30 5:30 in the morning and I will I'll weigh myself do body composition like weight hydration
fat Etc I'll take my inner ear temperature I'll take two pills I'll do a few minutes of UV uh light therapy to start my circadium rhythm it's still dark in the morning I'll go downstairs I'll make myself a a morning concoction I'll take 60 pills I'll do light therapy on my
hair I'll um like once a me once a week I'll do my blood my blood pressure I'll then work out for about an hour in a specific protocol I'll come in I will make breakfast which is a few pounds of vegetables I'll shower and do a skin care routine and get ready for work I'll
eat my second meal the day and then I work for the day and then I have a evening then throughout the day I'll do various doctor's appointments uh medical procedures and measurement and then I have a windown routine that I follow uh ritually and what we've done is we've tried to stack
hundreds of protocols into my daily routine because we do so many things and we're trying to follow the evidence I'm not able to just randomly do things it has to be highly structured in order for us to control this experiment with the rigor we need for the results and so
we've just done this for several years and fine-tuned it and we go through the process of measure me measure myself look at the evidence we do the protocol measurement evidence protocol again and again and again and uh I have a few dozen biomarkers that are pretty phenomenal so for example my
cardiovascular capacity is in the top 1.5% of 18y olds my bone Minal density is the top 0.2% of 30y olds which is agen for that test and you know my my uh my strength tests same thing like top 1.5 and 10% of 18y olds so the biomarkers across my entire body whether it's my cardiovascular ability my
strength uh my muscle my my muscle and body fat are in the top 99.5 percentile so it's produced uh you know a a pretty impressive list of biomarkers that indicate that I'm in pretty good health I thought your workouts were like 25 reps of exercise and stuff are you is
that giving you the The Incredible strength uh yes so it's about an hour a day and you're right it's like uh you know 20 plus and so it's mostly I try to flex and stretch every muscle of my body so I don't do heavy weights that are uh hard in the joints but yes even doing
these things I do it every single day I don't take any rest days and yeah I'm on my bench press it's uh top 10% of 18-y olds and we use 18 year olds a lot of people I mean the with 99% certainty when I say this people are like but wait a second why not a 30-year-old it's because uh you max out your weight to uh
rep ratio at age 18 so even though you can lift more in your 20s and maybe even your 30s your ratio Peaks at 18 the same is true with your V2 Max your cardiovascular fitness and so we do reference to an 18-year-old not because it's an easy way to pick off a number we
do it because according to these age these biological age standards you're looking at when the human when a when a male Peaks perform Peak Performance and I think your last meal is at like 11:30 a.m. that's right so I have roughly you know 10 hours or so of fasting before I
go to bed do you feel hungry when you go to bed I used to I'm now normalize to it and does that help your sleep like what happens if you eat later I assume this was all like sort of measured and the the fasting I eat my last meal of the day at 11:00 a.m. for the objectives of
good sleep because I mean there's supposedly good benefits on fasting I think the evidence is still maybe developing so I mostly do it for sleep because when I eat my last meal of the day I have all my digestion finished so when I go to bed my resting heart rate is around 46 beats per minute and if
it's a 46 I'm going to have a perfect night sleep if I eat at 5:00 pm or 6 PM then my resting heart rate is going to be 56 and when I do that I'm going to uh knock off about 50% of my rim and 50% of my deep and I'll increase my wake Time by about 35 minutes and so I've done
these I've done so many experiments now it is algorithmic and I know exactly what happens when I eat what at what time and how it affects my sleep it sounds like blueprint is optimized for the sole variable of sleep is that correct I mean so sleep is an important one it's it's the the number one
priority because everything else rest you know hinges upon that we are the first Endeavor in history to focus on trying to rejuvenate every organ of the body so we have 70 plus organs and we've tried to quantify and rejuvenate every organ of my body so we just try to rejuvenate my thymus which is a gland
right behind your your uh chest here responsible for your immune system and so you if I can say I'm Chron logically 46 years old but the more important number is what is the biological age of my heart and of my lungs and of my liver and that's really the the more powerful
predictor than a chronological number and where were you when you started blueprint were you basically your your biological age for your like was everything the same no I was I was coming from a pretty bad place I after being depressed for a decade and running
you know being a startup entrepreneur my entire life and having just gone through a bunch of stuff I was pretty beat up and I was in a bad state so I definitely subscribe to grind culture where you know you do things in society to try to earn people's respect and have a position of a status
in a social group to when you conform with these social norms and so like when you hear a story about a colleague who worked on a program a a problem for two days straight and didn't sleep it's like wow they're so awesome and amazing you know like that it's very hard to not be
uh to you know to be induced to think that that's an emulation worthy Behavior so I had to peel myself out of grind culture and find out that this is the thing is we we are accustomed death is the enabler of all things immortality you know if you love country die for your country if you want to if you want
to pay the ultimate price of being a hero sacrifice your life you know if you um want to achieve immortality in your professional Endeavor have your Works live beyond your death everything we we think about existence is around death and I was calling question to death that
maybe we have reached this time and place in human history where death is no longer inevitable and that if that is true everything about our reality changes do you think we'll see a Quantum Leap in average age in the next 15 years to me the most compelling contemplation is trying to
predict how fast intelligence is improving so we humans have been the dominant force of Intelligence on this planet for 200,000 years and we've been able to increase our abilities of intelligence by forming better cooperation in our society with language and all kinds of organizational
methodologies we've increased our ability to utilize our intelligence with technological tools we've now created intelligence in AI that is creating better intelligence and if you say what is the speed at which intelligence is improving it's fast faster than we can
comprehend and so when you when we make these uh when we model out the the future and we say what's going to happen on a 10-year time span we are unqualified to answer that question because that time that time frame exceeds our own intellectual capacity to imagine so it's the first
time in human history where we the superior form of intelligence are up against a wall of not knowing what to predict what comes next because it it's going to supersede us so fast and so this is the thing this is why I come down to the only thing I know to be true in the year
2024 is don't die that's it I don't know anything else other than I want to be around for what could be the most spectacular existence in this part of the Galaxy yeah there there's a part of me that's really believes if we take care of ourselves really well right now
and we don't die we're going to get a lot of Advantage from technology that thinks about things in a way that we couldn't even comprehend I mean you take the for inspiration if you say okay well point me to an example of where intelligence has been used that would give me any sort of a bearings on what I
might imagine okay so take Alpha fold uh it was many people thought solving the protein folding problem was unsolvable or would take us some unknown duration of time and Deep Mind allocated their attention to that thing and solved it faster than anyone ever thought possible
the same thing with go and so when these groups of people that are very talented focus on a very narrow problem they solve stunningly hard problems faster than anyone thought and is these systems get better and they're used more broadly and is these systems create better systems this is why we are at
this launch point and you know is it going to happen in two years one years five years 10 years I don't know but it's basically if you zoom out far enough it's in the blink of an eye at this point and it's so don't die is don't die individually don't kill each
other don't kill planet Earth and when you're building AI the objective function of AI is this don't die ideology so if you I mean what I'm trying to say is like so we we've never been in the situation before where we're baby steps away from creating super intelligence and when you're at this in
this moment we have this this incredibly practical question to ask what do we do like how do we think about reality what do we care about what are our ideals what are our objectives and then if you start surveying the world of like hey who can tell us how to practically think
about reality and you probe religions and capitalism and communism and socialism and like any other group who can pull up and say Here's a Playbook here's an instruction on how you actually think about reality and that's what I've been trying to F is that void is there is no philosophical stack that
informs Humanity on what to do on a daily basis for for example what to eat for breakfast all the way through the most complicated question of how do you begin thinking about a philosophical alignment with AI I have some specific questions about blueprint so like how
much water are you consuming a day between 60 and 80 ounces is that the only beverage that you really consume it is I I drink mineral mineralized water so it's always tea or has some electrolytes in it is that tap water is it filtered is it out of a glass or plastic it's filtered and it's ceramic
this is this is ginger to you right now how do you think about things like Teflon and things that can sort of like get into your body or things that are widely sort of um thought to get into your body like M microplastics and Teflon and yeah I mean I I try to avoid
uh plastic bottles I use uh stainless steel cookware uh filtered water I don't eat out I don't use a takeout materials so I try to avoid the the things that are more polluting why vegan I think that's a that's a personal choice isn't it yeah yeah it is is there anybody doing this who's an
omnivore yeah yeah my son and are are his results sort of similar to yours yeah pretty similar I think that you know I uh diet is a special kind of provocative like people break out into Waring tribes instantaneously and the intensity around this topic is a lot and so I've really
just stayed out of it I I'm I'm impartial I don't want to get into the war and so I just say you do you I do think that there's every day there's more evidence coming out suggesting plant-based diets are um more conducive for longevity so I think the evidence in time will speak for itself but right now
it's of all the battlefields I could choose this is not the one I want and and that's a really interesting way to put it I I think it's really interesting too people aren't convinced by data I mean you can show them all the data in the world and it's not going to change
their mind yeah what do you think about gut health I wish there was better evidence on it what do we know about it so far the problem is not much and do you do you get colds like do you get common illnesses that other people get or is your immune system such that it sort of like just fights that off
naturally now yeah I got sick over the break uh but it was the first time I was sick in three years since started blueprint that's pretty incredible I take athletic greens every day and I'm like you know in my head it might be a placebo it might not be I have no idea but uh I haven't gotten sick since I've
started taking it every day it's it's incredible I call it my green power juice how do we take blueprint and build habits with it so it's one thing to know okay here's this manual follow this manual and this manual is going to be better at running your life than you are
you can take your evening bran you can put them away and just follow the instructions but how do we actually turn that into habits that we follow every person is different in how they go about change and there's many ways that people go about habit you know uh behavioral
change with very habit formation techniques and um for me it's really helpful to understand my own behavioral change in a larger context where I say I'm endeavoring to maintain my health so that I don't die so that I can participate in what may be the most spectacular existence in the Galaxy now
for me that's really motivating because I have I have a goal and I have a reason to live and I have something to look forward to now a side effect of that is my body feels great and it looks great and you know I can do all sorts of things but for me it's the bigger goal
that motivates me for other people they may have much you know different goals of like they they want to fit into a certain uh pair of of clothing or they want to look good for a certain event or they want to achieve a certain physical uh outcome so like the end goal I think
I think the motivation is really important and then I go through the process as you heard me say is I like to break myself out into my various selves because I am you know dozens of different kinds of people I'm morning Brian I'm evening Brian I'm after workout Brian I'm your dad Brian like
I'm and every one of those situations I'm biochemically a different human I have I have a different way of understanding reality and I'll make decisions that are different in each one of those circumstances like you said with Daniel where he doesn't say yes on
the phone because that in that moment he's pleased others Daniel and he wants to be a different version to let him in his life so I do the same approach I break myself out into different persons and I decide which versions of me have authorization and win because you know
like who who's in charge um 10 pmu who's sets the alarm for 6: am or 6 AMU who wants a few more minutes uh with the snooze button and so you need to make those decisions on who's in charge because if you just let it roll out you know that the present you is always going to win and always get what they
want at the expense of other versions of you that have your better interest at heart and then the third is once you get to the the structural or you have a goal and you've separated yourself out and you know who's making decisions and when then you can do these hyperfocus things
on behavioral change like you can paare a habit so every time you see a given thing you do a certain action and so that's really in my estimation how I've tried to stack my life where I basically I've tried to build a life where I make zero decisions of doing things I don't really
want to do and I've almost got it like it's it's actually I'm surprised I've gotten this close to achieving it I just don't behave in ways that I regret anymore and that's phenomenal because I was just like walking regret before what I love about you is that you're living
life on your own terms and you're not hurting anybody and yet what you're doing is so outside of what we consider normal that you get so much hate and vital how do you handle that I love it I I have such a positive relationship with the hate uh it energized me I am endlessly amused by it I think it's just
fun to engage with and you know I Depression was a much better troll than anyone online you know like my my depression could eat me up pretty efficiently it knew the zingers and the dunks everyone else uh you know like it's just play for me so but it's I guess like you know like you you can
think about these two phases like okay phase one is like do something that is unrecognizable in your time and place Okay so we've seen this throughout history phase two is people come with pitchforks like we know this phase three is you've got to survive a whole bunch
of attacks you know like the P powers of B are going to want to start taking you down and then phase if you get past phase two and phase three you get to open up a little bit and you kind of have some open Horizon and so that's where I'm at now is I've survived the
the major dunk you know where people tried to cancel me in society I've survived several attempts at takedowns and now I'm still at it and so I'm really happy I'm on a stage four now and now it's just opening up into a bigger gameplay yeah I was amazed at some of the the stuff that I read online and
some of the stuff that you've been through and I don't know if you want to share some of that or not um what's been the hardest moments for you I'm so happy to be alive I appreciate existence uh with an intensity that I've never felt before I know what it feels like to want to end
your life you know like I desperately wanted to kill myself for 10 years and I'm grateful I didn't and I'm grateful I'm alive so you know when when people come and dunk on me or when they're trying to attack attack me or when they're saying things about me it's okay like it's
fine um everyone's just trying to do their thing and deal with themselves so it's not really worth getting caught up in [Music] and I think it's possible that um you know we'll look back at ourselves right now and we'll say ah oh man like can you believe how hard it was to be
human like can you do you remember how bad it was like the anxiety and the depression and the jealousy and The Angst and the fomo and the like you know all the things we felt like God that was just so hard like can you imagine going back to doing that in the same way we imagine you know previous areas not
having the technology we do today I think it's possible that we're just in this moment in time of a conscious existence it's really brutal and so I guess I don't really expect anything different if if People's internal experiences are are beating them up they're going to try to beat other
people up too it's just like kind of the situation it's okay do you think you have that confidence to sort of face that because you've been to a really dark place and come out of it yes I think it's also because I get great sleep but you honestly but you've also
like it's it's one thing like I get this you know it's one thing when it's an anonymous person online uh saying you know something about you it really mostly says something about them but you've also had people close to you uh come after you and that's a whole different kind of vulnerability and
feeling I I was poor my entire life I my mom made my clothes for school I um I work in third grade I worked the school tables at lunch to pay for leftover food so my mom wouldn't have to pay my $25 a month of cafeteria money like I knew we were poor and I was in on my family's uh
circumstances and I didn't make money until I was 34 years old until I sold brain tree and I've had money for 10 years now 12 years and I've learned a lot of lessons about the complexity of money I really wish that I would have spent more time having made m money and say can I
talk to somebody who who's had wealth and can tell me how to how this game works but I will tell you uh of the people close to me over the past you know 12 Years a very large number like almost like 50% have ended up doing something to me that is uh that is unambiguous bad behavior in some
cases illegal behavior and um this is not to say they're bad and I'm good it's meant to say that when you're around these circumstances it's often times very hard to keep your bearings and sometimes you lose your reality and you become so lost in it you can no longer tell what's
going going on but money is extraordinarily complicated and it drives people to do crazy things and I've seen this pattern now repeat itself so many times in my personal life like those who are the closest people to me and to see what they would do when money was a stake and it's almost like it's
they'll do anything and they lose touch with reality in the pursuit of that objective I have a friend who is incredibly wealthy and we've been friends for a number of years now and one thing that struck me a few years ago was his Circle kept getting smaller and
smaller yeah and I I remember asking him about this and I was like you know like when we were hanging out last year and I'm just making this up but there's like 30 people here and now there's like 15 and you you see it shrink over time and he said yeah you know because people do
these things that yeah um they ask me for something or they do things and then I can't really trust them and then everybody who's trying to be my friend and I'm paraphrasing here and I'm not going to reveal who it is but everybody who's trying to be my friend
wants something from me or that's how I think about it so it's really hard for me to like open up to new people because I all like I've become skeptical of motivations and intentions yeah yeah say that like um that's been what I have seen so when I've shared my problems they are almost identical to
the life experiences other people have had and uh it's just algorithmic like this is why I'm saying I wish I could go back in time and talk to somebody because it is so predictable how people will behave in these circumstances that you can do so many things to try to lessen the negative
outcomes but I'm inherently a very trusting person and I I'm a hands off or I just kind of let people do their own thing and that's just not a a good recipe most people can't thrive in that environment most people will really struggle to play by the rules that we as
Society have have agreed that would constitute fairness and honesty and legality so again it's fine this is not a critique of people it's just it's The Human Condition it is what it is and this is the same Reon I I don't trust myself you know like this is why I don't have Suites in my house it's not like I
think I'm the best person in the whole world I know uh that I will cheat I will do things uh I don't want to do if I put myself in those circumstances so this is coming from a place of distrust of myself and all things that we humans do if I inherited or you know suddenly came
into $500 million tomorrow and I came to you and said Brian I just got this big chunk of money give me the lessons that you've learned over the last 12 years that I should put in place today what would they be uh one is I would suggest you not change anything in your life for 6
to 12 months keep on with your same habits and have the money so you can distinguish between your your preferred LIF Style and what money would otherwise alter your perception of what you want because once you start acquiring things you start losing your perspective on where your Baseline is so
and the shock of going from zero to 500 million is so is so sudden that it scrambles your reality and then number two is it is um reasonable that a a large large majority of people are going to want something from you at all times and it's it will be small things
like you know a a niece or a nephew when you're invited to their wedding most people will give a gift you know $100 or $200 or $20 whatever the number is in that cultural norm that family they're going to expect you to give something for $500 or $1,000 because you have so much money
and so people just assume uh that because you have so much money that you have more obligation uh to them so there's like this this acial relationship and then three is I'd say identify what you want the money to achieve and that really needs to come from you on what your objectives are
because if you don't determine your objectives in life money will run you and so it creates this really inverse relationship where you wanted the money so you could you could uh achieve your objectives but now running money is running you and you've lost yourself and if you don't follow those three things
pretty soon you're in a situation where you don't know what is up and what's what's down you don't know who you can trust you've got people on the inside who are you know engaging in potentially compromising Behavior without you knowing and so it just creates a real
challenging environment and then you become your your internal World becomes destabilized where like your friend said you just don't know who you can trust and it becomes a really isolating experience does that ever make you feel lonely it's a challenge you know like anything like I mean like
in in life it's like all of our problems are equal it's not like if you're rich you have fewer problems it's not like if you're poor you've got I mean like so so there there's like there are some clear differences like if if you're poor and you've got a very
serious medical condition you don't have the resources to address that that's a very big difference but overall every person I know who's wealthy has just as many problems and it feels to them their problems are just as intense as everyone else at every other class of wealth uh excluding you know
like the extreme situations where like a person does not have the ability to pay for basic nutrition or doesn't have the ability to pay for medical bills or is suffering from some other like on the on the disparities but what I'm trying to say is uh human suffering is pretty
Universal and there's a lot of um misperception that somehow money lessons problems you know it's not a Panacea it has its own problems and many people with money wish they didn't have the money uh but of course that's also hypocritical because if they did just give it away like like talk the talk so
it's complic a nuance and it's just a very hard question to parse uh because it's hard to imagine those circumstances it's hard for society to talk about too uh I feel like it's exceptionally hard for my wealthier friends to talk about money than it is for other people because yeah I mean
they they risk um getting slapped on the hand for saying anything that is just insensitive um right it's like uh because their experience is it's complex right that it causes very serious problems in their life it creates loneliness it uh puts them in very
challenging situations and then the natural response is like boohoo like go complain to someone um and I understand that uh it's also just like I think it misses a little bit because we all live together in society and we share classes of problems and so to me it's like it's
a bigger observation about how all of us struggle all the time and how it's worthwhile to contemplate how we can all struggle less yeah we're more similar than we tend to think that we are I think across not only cultures but um socioeconomic statuses too I I want to come back to blueprint for a second I
want to go through specific things so I want to go through nine things I want to go through behavioral interventions I want to go through diet interventions and supplement interventions and I want you to give me your top three behavioral interventions top three diet
interventions and top three supplements that people listening to this if they're looking to sort of like play around with blueprint but maybe they don't want to go all in that they can do and they'll get a noticeable sort of like bang for the bucket of yeah I I can tell you uh I
would uh structure that just a little bit differently I can tell you the top five power laws okay yeah let's do that and so you by doing these five things you could achieve a life expectancy of 92 so one don't smoke two is exercise 6 hours a week and that's a combination of
strength and flexibility and cardiovascular three is eat a blueprint like diet or like Mediterranean diet four is maintain a BMI between 18.5 and 22.5 and then five is uh limit alcohol consumption and those five things the power laws sleep is a contender for being a power law of Health I think the
evidence is emerging now that we've got much better measurement around it talk to me about the alcohol consumption because that one is is sort of a bit vague in a sense of you didn't offer specifics like BMI you're like this range what's what what is a limited alcohol consumption is that like 2
ounces a week is it six is it like we're best with none but up until this point it doesn't hurt us I forget the exact uh unit number if I remember correctly it's something like between one and three glasses of wine a week equivalent so it's it's a yeah it's a moderate
intake U but basically I think what it's saying one is it's not excessive so it's limited I do zero alcohol intake you used to drink alcohol though yeah I drink three ounces of red wine for breakfast daily yeah yeah what was the thinking behind that you gave it
up I think I remember if if I remember correctly it's because you couldn't afford the 80 calories in your diet correct yeah but you you liked red wine it was delicious it was such a wonderful experience yeah it increased the joy of food a lot do you ever have wine now or is just like a rule that you
don't have it because once you go down that path it's like a slippery slope I don't now because even small amounts negatively affect my sleep even if I drink them drink it around noon or even if I do three ounces at noon I still sometimes see effects in sleep and nothing is worth trading high
quality sleep to me that's fascinating are there certain foods that like if you ate even at 11:30 would disrupt your sleep that you know a bit uh carbohydrates so breads pastas even rice uh is hard for my body to digest is that your body or most body uh my body and maybe it's because I
don't eat rice very often so you know that the one time occurrence but yeah when I eat anything of that variety my resting heart rate will be 55 plus you know probably in the 56 57 range uh then of course anything fried but I never eat fried but if I did it would definitely
do it uh flowers of all types even like almond flour yeah I try I tried a bunch of different flowers I wanted to find you know like uh I wanted to find some variety of foods that would do it and that that did and then also sugar so if um I you know on occasion I've tried
like a a fun drink like some someone took me and got a bobo or something Boba or something like that I think it's made by tapioca um but yeah that will do it for me that will increase my so I know now the list of foods that increase my R heart rate this is the cool thing
um you before I would say I would be confronted with a situation of like I really want to eat this cookie but I know I don't I really shouldn't and then I did it anyways you know and I probably did that like in my life thousands of times maybe and for the first time in my life I've gotten to
a point where I can look at the cookie and have it in my hand and say you know what the pain of eating this thing so far exceeds the momentary pleasure from eating it there's no way I'm going to do it and I can fill that with such confidence I'm not even tempted to eat
the cookie whereas before I was just desperate in its face to just be you know there's no way I was going to win in that situation I was G to eat the cookie and then after that I was going to eat the five more in the pack you know like I couldn't stop myself and so now my I finally finally finally finally
got to a place where I can model out the pain and that's so unpleasant that I just don't want to do it and the pain in this case is you know it's going to impact your sleep and therefore you know it how much of that relates to the fact that you've had eight months of perfect
sleep like if last night was like oh the streak ended and now you've got the cookie in your hand are you still thinking with the same logic well that's what I actually measured my brain at my brain interface company kernel I looked at my brain based upon sleep patterns
and I saw we saw in my brain I had less willpower when I had a poor night's sleep when I had less REM and less deep and so yes when you have bad sleep you have substantially less willpower well it's so interesting because I talked to my kids about this and I talk about it
in the context of positioning an easy mode or hard mode and I'm like when you go to sleep it doesn't mean you're not go like when you sleep well doesn't mean somebody's going to do something not going to do something to you tomorrow that makes it you angry or upset it means your ability to regulate your
emotions and have a healthy response is going to be much easier than if you have a poor night sleep so you can like you're playing on easy mode or hard mode and I think sleep is one of the Prime indicator great job why does posture matter you have like the best posture I've I'm like
conscious of this and like I'm actually having better posture during this interview because of you I realize that I present complexity in people's lives that you know if someone sees an article about me or a video or something and if they're not in the same place as me uh it can have a net
negative reaction where the person's like damn it I'm never going to be able to do what he does so that makes me feel bad about myself and so why even try and I'm deeply empathetic about that and I I I'm very I'm very I yeah I'm empathetic I wish that wasn't the outcome and so I really try to be
thoughtful and meet everyone where they're at where I hope that when someone thinks about me and you if they view my posture or they view my eating habits that they can think of me like an angel on their shoulder of like I'm I'm there I'm there with you friend like I I
want you to be your best self and I understand you and there's no judgment coming from me and it's fine if you make mistakes it's cool um but it's it's it's complicated I understand that it's difficult and so posture I do work extraordinarily hard I'm also mindful that it potentially has this boomering
effect uh where yeah um people get discouraged but yeah I mean I I maintain good posture because I discovered I've got narrow genetically narrow internal jugular veins these two pipes on the side of the neck and so I've have restricted blood flow out of my brain when I have bad
posture so it Kinks my veins and so I we did a whole bunch of measurement with MRI and ultrasound and I work did a bunch of physical therapy to strengthen certain muscles that maintain proper posture and so I've just built it as a habit now but it took me months and
months like for example as a family we have a habit where one day one of my eldest son made fun of me he's like dad's like an AI and he was like he's like this like you know being this AI move and so his impersonation of me was reduced to Z so now every time anyone in the family has
improper posture that means if if you're holding a phone directly down you're looking at your head's hanging over or you're in some other catastrophic postural position you'll hear it Z and everyone in the family just like right like it's straight up and so we're now a
family where we support each other in proper posture but it took us a while to get there that's awesome I want to go back to something you said earlier just about being empathetic I I wish everybody was just more empathetic to everybody else it's like we're all icebergs and what we project is sort of
like above the sea level but there's so much going on below the sea that's like a hundred or a thousand times bigger than what we see and we just have no idea and I wish we'd all collectively just have a bit more tolerance for each other and a bit more sort of assuming
good intentions even when they're not always obvious yeah the world's a pretty tough place right now what's the relationship between our biological health and our Sexual Health well uh if you're not if you're a man and if you're yeah if you're male and you're not getting enough sleep your
nighttime erections are eliminated and nighttime erections are an important biomarker for sexual health psychological health and cardiovascular health and you I've measured my nighttime erections extensively as we basically we try to measure everything we can measure as I know it's atypical
and so this is not a common measurement people are familiar with but that's true for the entire blueprint we're doing things that are new but uh I guess I say that because um people often times associate the cost of not getting good sleep with feeling a little bit grumpy the next day you know
or a little bit more irritable but they don't really understand the whole body consequences where basically your sexual function goes to zero and uh it's not that you can't still have intercourse you you can but I I pointed out it's a pretty devastating cost on on uh not getting good sleep so
um yeah all these things are deeply connected and this is why coming back to grind culture grind culture assumes death is inevitable so you're trying to achieve immortality through the means that you have and so once you go back down the stack and you start question
these things about our reality it leads you down this path of like do I really believe in this cultural moment of this thing or is there something else really bigger going on one of my friends who was in the Special Forces for a long time uh used to be deployed often and he said one of
the things that they looked for in the troops and they asked them about regularly was their uh their poop and whether they had a morning erection I love that that's fantastic I mean that's the first time I've heard of anyone else measuring uh erections it it's so
important and I know it's taboo and funny and people like can dunk on it but it's really important can you I'm asking this as a bald dude but can you prevent your hairline from receding I mean I imagine it's way too late for me now but do you do that like can you yeah it takes yeah hair loss is an enormous
amount of work the technology is really not great so what I do currently is in the morning I I put a topical application on my hair that is was based upon my my genetics of what things I do and don't respond to and metabolize and then I put a red light cap on my head and it
activates certain things I then work out eat breakfast and I'll shower and I'll use a certain shampoo that creates the right environment on the scalp and then I'll do um once a month I just started this new therapy where I'll use this laser um across the scalp and then I'll
apply exosomes and that's a combo therapy to help hair grow uh stronger and faster and then I used to do PRP which is you draw blood out you pull the plasma and you re-inject the growth factors I stopped doing that because we're now doing this laser exosome treatment and yeah that's it so
basically it's a topical application which you've probably heard minoxidil is the most common thing so it's minoxidil plus a few little goodies plus red light cap therapy plus this laser and exosome treatment yeah I mean I I should be bald at this point I started losing my hair
in my late 20s and the men in my family are bald basically so I'm grateful I have some hair it's genetic yeah um I started losing mine in my like mid 20s and then it sort of stopped like it it it receded and then thinned out massively and then just all of a sudden
stopped yeah I mean the the technology that uh is very close is exciting there's uh cloning therapies that are being developed so if you had a few few follicles you can clone it and then do basically like implantation so I I think it's a a possibility that in like five
years time that you would be able to restore hair yourself is there any biological longevity reason why Hair Matters I mean there's probably a sexual attractiveness angle to it there's probably a confidence angle to it there's probably a lot of internal ones but is there any biological sort of like
longevity reasons why it matters if there is I'm not aware of what do you think of hot and cold exposure do you do that I don't uh it's it's not that they don't potentially have benefits for right applications the hot and cold therapy didn't make our cut because it
doesn't increase lifespan Health span rather the evidence was not strong enough for my team to recommend it to be cut into the protocol so if you go back to how we think about this we've looked at all the scientific evidence through the the specific lens of increasing lifespan healthspan and then we've
ranked them according to power laws and so this is not to say we may we we won't ever you know we won't do it at some point in time like we're very open-minded and we'll always change our minds following the evidence it's just right now we don't think the evidence
supports it to incorporate a habit for longevity purposes which is our AIM now if somebody's doing it for recovery and other objectives like that's an entirely different question so it has nothing to say about the Technologies uh for those just for my uh highly focused objective
if you think of blueprint as like a 100 pieces of Lego and each one of those pieces of Lego is an intervention based on scientific evidence what's the last piece of Lego you took out and put in a new piece of Lego because you're like oh this is better than that piece of Lego I
recently started taking oral minoxidil so there's there's the liquid minoxidil for hair growth you know for or for rather hair loss prevention and uh I took an oral version which initially that drug was a improved for uh high blood pressure but was then repurposed for hair growth because it it made hair
grow all over the body but I started experiencing some side effects I stopped that so uh we do stuff like that like every few days we'll try something new like that so that one stopped and then let me think before that uh you know I did those uh blood transfusions so my
son gave me his plasma and I gave my dad my plasma and I did six of those one a month for six months and we saw no effect in me uh but when I gave my father plasma my father's speed of Aging slowed by the equivalent of 25 years so from a 71y old to a 46y old and those results remained uh this uh the stable
for six months which is the last measurement we did so in that case the plasma therapy was promising and it didn't work in me lot probably because my biomarkers are already pretty competitive with an 18-year-old whereas my father benefited significantly because his biomarkers as a 71y old are
pretty different than my biomarkers and so in that case we discontinu the therapy from me but he could continue if he wanted that's fascinating that seems like a really easyish intervention that you can do to extend the longevity of your parents from the outside looking in
it can sound wild and creepy and weird and everything uh on a personal level you know to be able to do something like that for a parent is a special experience it's not too dis similar than donating an organ you know that's very common place and we don't think of organ transplants as weird or
organ donation as weird so it's just uh it's a new idea and so people think it's weird but it's actually identical to what we already do in life and we actually applaud people who make those kinds of sacrifices and and I should I should clarify it's not a sacrifice
giving plasma is not a sacrifice if our goal is not to die how do you think about the the things like sunscreen and sort of like the other things that are sort of approximate to us especially I'm thinking especially about things we put on or in our bodies right so we talked
earlier about plastic bottles and and sort of trying to avoid that do you have a particular sunscreen you use like I imagine you've thought about this more than any other human we do try to be thoughtful uh we're not perfect you know there's so many things we're looking at
at any given time but yeah we have we use a sunscreen elta MD e LT MD and it's a good one that has less bad stuff in it uh I generally uh try to avoid the sun when the UV index is above four so I get sun exposure in the morning and in the night and this is also another contentious part in society where I get
a lot of flak for the pness of my skin and you know it's a cultural norm that uh tan skin is somehow a signifier of health and and wellness and Beauty but you know the sun Dam ages and damages the skin and creates cancer risk so it's it's not this culture of a tan skin is
not going to survive much longer uh because it will just naturally push in the direction where um we we generally over a long enough time Horizon move towards more positive habits for society sometimes it takes a very long time but I think this is one of them that uh our current ideas around
sun exposure um will change even with sunscreen well no you you can I mean it's not like you I'm not suggesting we will avoid the sun all together I'm suggesting we will be more mindful you know it won't be a case where because currently our general dispositions are
pretty Brazen towards the sun it's like um it's not not a careful balance of you know get sun exposure but only so much it's like you unadulterated sun exposure is kind of like this it's it kind of is like around like like certain dietary preferences where um it's really a a
much bigger social thing than it is a data thing or science thing and uhu that's fine that this is how people kind of break out into camps but you we we measure my skin age using uh multi-spectral Imaging and using a whole bunch of other uh Technologies so we see exactly what happens when and by looking
at the data it's just very hard to it's very hard to go do something that's going to actively accelerate my speed of Aging when the objective of this project is to try to slow it as much as possible and we talked a briefly about frying pans but I think we skipped over it do you
use teflon or using stainless steel or do you I have stainless still and then I I want to ask uh just before we sort of wrap up here how do you envision and I know we don't have a Long window in terms of what we can see but if you zoom out how do you see AI helping us so I I actually I tried to
embody the problem of AI I tried to become the species as a problem and so I did that with a thought experiment where I said okay I'm a collection of 35 trillion sales and that's a lot of intelligent agents all doing their own thing with different objectives the body doesn't
have a singular objective the body has all kinds of conflicting objectives at all moments and I wanted to see could I achieve goal alignment within me Brian Johnson and that's what I've been trying to do and so first I had to say okay in order to understand these 35 trillion
cells I need to get a read uh of as many of them as possible then I need to find the evidence to tell me how I align the cells and then I need to implement it with exactitude now this is a problem that is identical to AI so we're we're building the super intelligence and we then are
going to give it objective functions that say all right AI do this you know like solve this math problem or help me write this thing or have this conversation with me whatever the thing we're asking it to do has goals and it has goals we've we've programmed into it it has goals that it emerges from the
system itself so we're basically trying to say what are our goals under what circumstances and for whom so it's a giant goal alignment problem so my situation I had to say okay is 10 p.m Brian in charge who sets the alarm or 6: am. Brian who wants to hit this news
button who's in charge and under what circumstance that's the same kind of goal alignment problem you have with AI and it's the same kind of problem you have with planet Earth yes so earth needs to be a home where we can Thrive if we kill Earth we're in a bad situation and so when I say don't die
it's don't die individually don't kill each other don't let the planet die don't kill it and align AI with don't die don't die is deceptively simple and endlessly expansive it is a heris it is a computational model it is a mathematical framework it is a biological system it is a closed loop
algorithm all those things in two words and this is what I'm putting forward as a species is if we care to be around for the future we need to be able to figure out how to cooperate at the most basic level and don't die is the most played game in in every single minute of every
single day on planet Earth there's not a game even capitalism is not played more than don't die every two seconds you and I breathe to not die we look both ways before we cross the street we we throw out moldy food it is the most played game in existence now the moment you
stand up above don't die you break out into a billion different directions of what people want how they understand the world what they care about what they'll do and why all their rules and justifications so you really have to say if we're trying to goal align a super intelligence around something and not
kill the Earth and not kill each other and not die ourselves how do you do it and that's what I've tried to put forward is this is an actual plan a practical plan that spans what to eat for breakfast and how to align a super intelligent system with with all of our
interests that's beautiful we always ask the same question to end which is what is success for you but I have a feeling it's going to be two words I would say it's the courage to believe that I don't know that's a perfect way to wrap up this conversation thanks a lot for your time