I don't want a panopticon controlled by a few telling my five grandchildren what they can and can't think I want them to have that unlocked in your idea of having their own AI right that gets to know them intimately and well you're a young child in a
country where it is utterly poor and you start recording some of your ideas and you only have one thing to bounce those ideas off because nobody else in your village is at your level your AI can become sympatico with you it can become
a guide it can become a friend I am all for safety but the idea of AI basically being conditioned to only give you certain answers is a sham we made cloud storage so much cheaper so much easier that we gave up on trying to create
local storage right now as we speak more internet is being deleted than is being created this is the first time in history J where if we do this right if we can preserve our wisdom correctly you and I will be part of the first generation that will try on a grand
scale to collect wisdom and put it in a bucket and leap it forward for the Next Generation to grow upon well hello everyone it's Jim o shasy with a very special guest today on infinite Loops the inevitable Brian romelli first inv voice creator of the
wisdom keeper proprietor of the multiplex AI as an intelligence amplification you are the Proctor of all the best AI super prompts I've seen Brian welcome back it's so good to see you thank you Jim it's a pleasure and
honor to be here it's been quite a while since our last uh talk so probably got a lot to cover this time I think we do um I've been following along uh with all of your amazing work that you're doing at the multiplex uh and I'll give you just
a free uh prompt here if you do not subscribed to Brian's Multiplex subscribe the information in there is astounding and amazing ran you know you've written that uh large language models chat GPT are basically basally the modern version of Plato's allegory
of the cave would you would you would you explain that for for me and my listeners and viewers yes Jim and great question so in really looking at the direction that large language models have taken I mean if we go back to the
beginning of how expert systems got way to what we consider large language model AI there's a whole lot of things that took place between those two particular typ of technology so what is a large language model well it's the Corpus of
all human knowledge that the model has had access to in the case of uh GPT or llama which is the Facebook uh Corpus uh GPT uh open AI GPT is using a slightly different Corpus but similar uh a whole lot of electronic books academic
documents things of that nature and of course inter actions on the internet some quite profound and some just maybe Reddit comments or Twitter comments things that may not be so profound but it does create a reflection what I call the great mirror of human Humanity so
what what is a large language model in my view in a uh Plato's Cave uh allegory um we're really looking at a situation where what invented human language what the human brain what part of the human brain well we can debate over that but
let's generally call it the right Hemisphere and for the right hemisphere to create this symbolic form of communication uh the left hemisphere had to be activated so when we built language and our words and our sounds because it's not just uh the concept of
language it's also the concept of the sounds that we form to create that language and the parts of the brain that are activated and then finally the writing of the that in a uh sort of uh archival mechanism our first protor
writing uh pictograms uh hieroglyphics things of that nature um we have an image a low resolution uh pixelated image of the part of the brain that invented human language in a large language model so in my view that's a shadow in the cave of the dimensionality
of the intelligence that created language so that's the beginning uh sort of analogy of the platonic cave but there's a lot more to it we can dive into I don't know if we want to get really eser take about the philosophy of this but it really comes down to this
concept whatever we see in AI is a reflection of humanity all of the things that humans do because it's using our language it's not going outside of human language so it's using the same tools that we created and it's standing on the
shoulders of humans or maybe maybe it's standing next to the shoulders of humans uh in the sense that if you look at the journey that life on this planet has had and how it left us to this point where humans did invent language let's say
300,000 years ago maybe 600,000 there's debates over this you know and maybe they weren't humans let's call them uh uh in the primate family when you look at that Journey it's quite profound and so we have that great mirror so with the
great mirror and we have the shadows and the Shadows go one step further in my view in the platonic cave is that we have elicited especially when you do it on purpose hallucinations or we've also elicit elicited the ability for these large
language models to show a protoc creativity and again these are shadows of creativity but they're indicative of where Humanity has gotten some of its ideas from and how we continue to get our ideas not all forms of creativity are the same uh and almost all
creativity is in some form uh regenerative of some other form of creativity so we live again on the shoulders of others that have come before us so I'm not saying there is no original thought but almost all thoughts
are a intermixing of something unique but something derivative from somebody from the past and large language models are doing that very clearly I I age sense yeah I agree on on so much of the way you look at this especially the idea of it being a mirror
uh of our knowledge and and including the Shadows that's really important I think uh because really what we're looking at is in my opinion Promethean fire and yeah to me this is this is like one of the greatest inventions I don't know where would you put
it um I would put it nearly close to fire um I would probably mix that with the invention of the printing press um the Gutenberg Press uh and its earlier versions now there are versions of press that existed prior to that one could one
could say that the cylinder seals from Sumerian times are a form of uh printing it's certainly liberated and democratize the availability of being able to speak your mind and present that outwardly large language models offer that but in
a multiplicity Type of Way um not only does it give you the ability to speak your mind in a sense that you can build a model based on the Corpus of information that you feed it uh in the case of local models that I'm a big
proponent of and you know we've talked about this in the past intelligence amplification and wisdom keeping they're the same thing but in different you know epochs in your life um you're able to project your thoughts and your ideas
outwardly and I think that's an incredibly valuable thing uh I don't know eight billion people I love the fact that we might have eight billion thoughts and that we don't all are yolked together as one one monolithic thought uh Humanity moves forward
because of the cre it of individuals that have free thought and large language models can record those thoughts on a local environment and project them and magnify them now we can get into other aspects of that both positive and negative but that's the
premise in that regard the other regard is The Liberation that the Press gave everybody fire gave us a Liberation we're able to uh no longer be a victim of the darkness right and the Darkness would come upon humans and it really
comes down to this let's go to First principles humans are born naked we're not born of the environment uh when a rabbit is born it's born of its environment it's got fur it's pretty much ready to go there's a small period of time where there's maybe some
instruction some people believe that birds are T are taught to fly they are not if a bird does not fly out of the nest it falls down and very good chance it will not survive it certainly may not be supported by the parents uh in some
cases there are isolated cases where the parents will coax but generally not humans are not afforded that capability humans are only really nearly independent at probably year eight and there's some debate over that but definitely the first three years you are
absolutely interdependent upon your parents and why is that because the brain has gotten so big that it would no longer be able able to allow a normal birth to take place uh one of the reasons why moms had a difficulty in
birth prior to modern society was that the brains were getting bigger than the birth canal would have allowed and you know people like Brian why are you talking about this with AI because we have been on a journey to offload
certain pieces of information from our brain because it only could quote unquote hold so much I debate whether or not it can hold so much what I debate is whether or not it can arrange it in a way that is useful to us I think uh people like Kim Peak uh that
was the character that Rainman was based on is clear evidence that we do not understand the cognitive functions of the human brain not even close do we understand it uh and also people with uh forms of intis where there might be just
about uh two slices of ham uh left of brain uh in compression now you can try to compress your skin now imagine a brain compressed down to that size some experts will say well that's the brain compressed down to this size I urge you to try to compress your skin to that
size let alone brain that's not possible so we know that we have an inadequate theory of how the brain operates where memory is stored and how it works I'm also on that Journey so it's a dual Journey understanding human brain and
also understanding the offloading of human knowledge so what happens with AI is it becomes a archival and memory system for Humanity and this goes right down the middle we'll probably wind up discussing about how we utilize this tool to make us less to make us more
valuable not less valuable in the world there is an existential and real threat that every single person's job is going to be impacted by Ai and I would say that's a valid statement I would say that you're probably not listening or
watching this closely if you think your job is safe and again that doesn't mean you should be in fear it should be meaning that you should understand this new tool that has been afforded to you that when fire was brought to the village that
maybe you should stop staying in the dark maybe warm up and maybe cook your food so getting back to the born naked because we're born naked we need to invent things humans are technologists uh needed to invent what I
guess clothing right we had to stay warm uh no matter what you know uh area of the world we may be in there is something needed to protect us either from sunlight or to keep us warm generally to keep us warm um so that's one of the first Technologies and uh
later on I think uh we invented language because we needed to transfer information across the ages and uh the only archival system that we had in the early days before Proto writing uh was the Stars the reason why we use the stars is it was an analogous way to tell
a generational story and if we go to Joseph Campbell and we go into all the Epic tales that going as far back as we can Gilgamesh even before that uh the indis valy stories things of that nature you start realizing that these stories
are allegories to try to prepare us for the future and now that's a long way to get get to where AI fits in AI is an extension of that fire act absolutely Promethean but also the ability for you to independently project your ideas into
the world and now that creates fear in some uh what if your ideas are bad well that's existed forever what if your ideas multiply throughout the network well that's a possibility but you know what maybe the better thing to do is to increase discernment uh what is
discernment we can get into that um but the bottom line is AI has given us that power and I would feel that if I left this place and did not help people understand the power they have locally on their computer to be able to not only
discover more closely who they are but to also discover that they have skills and capabilities far beyond what they thought uh I would feel that I've done a disservice being here and that's one of my missions is to be able to help people
understand that they have Promethean fire and yes it can burn you yes uh it can be used as a weapon but today we're still using fire the technology that we're using right now is a form of that fire right it's just an iteration of
that an AI is an iteration of basically everything else we've ever tried to do the AR arival systems that we created was a form of projection of our deepest hopes dreams and fears into the future and quite frankly we haven't really changed all that much we just
create newer and newer Technologies to do that and we always come up with a newer and newer narrative to become fearful of this new dragon that's going to attack us if we go over the hill or across the water to discover this new continent we call a
i wow um I I agree with so much of what you just said I I concur that we are uh someone called uh when we when Gutenberg invented his printing press uh I think it was Robert Anton Wilson who dubbed it time binding we had the ability to time
bind our thoughts and send them into the future really on a broad scale for the first time in human history yes the CIA forms and and whatnot were available but they were available to a really tiny minority of humans on the planet once we
got books where we could literally bind our thoughts send them into the future I kind of looked at that as the beginning of the human Colossus and I look at Ai and the internet the ability the network that allows all humans with access to the
internet uh hopefully will get it so that all humans have access to the internet uh with AI allowing us to create this human Colossus building on not only our own ideas but everyone's ideas that's what I find so absolutely
intriguing and encouraging and yeah I I get that some people find it frightening because literally we now have at our Command tools that you know our an Our Ancestors he my my own father if he were still around today if he some that he
would go oh my God this is the most extraordinary thing in the world um one of the things that you are doing a lot of work on that that I think is really a great idea my ideas are AI should be for all everyone should have access to Ai
and and one of the things that you've been doing a lot of writing and work on is the idea that you can run AI models locally on your computer you don't have to rely on a commercial API or a commercial app to do that talk a little bit about that if you would Brian thank
you Jim um absolutely and I agree with you the the premise in my mind a lot of folks sort of think about this and say what is your problem with the cloud and let's put that aside I can go into that more philosophically but let's start from a
different principle um there's still a significant cohort of humanity that does not have regular easy access to the internet and nor do they have regular easy access to what what I would consider very high level knowledge this
is a surprise to most of the let's call uh the technological 1% I deal with a lot of the technological 1% in um in my work and it's always a surprise to them to try to cogniz what does this really mean that AI is on somebody's computer
in an 8 gigabyte or even four gigabyte file what's the purpose why you just go to the cloud and get it that's a leamy cake sort of statement uh and it shows a tremendous amount of misunderstanding of how the world is organized so let's
imagine if you will there's a child right now and I will not pick a go-to region of the world you can do that pick a go-to region in the world and I don't mean you particularly Jim anybody listening to me where you think somebody is extremely poor and they have very
little access and imagine what their educational system looks like what are they being educated for what world what world are they being educated for um and where are they going to have the access to be able to not only survive but to
thrive and there will be some that will want to think that you can't have 8 billion people or I think we've reached Peak but some people might think 10 billion I don't think we're gonna ever get past 8.5 billion but let's just say
we go higher take the 10 billion we have 10 billion people all doing something great I think that's pretty amazing and I think there is a world where that can take place that's not utopian that's just realistic you know uh we all lift
each other up the harbor uh raises up and down all the ships and that's kind of what we're seeing so imagine if they have a small consumer grade computer something that would have been tossed away and I'm not saying right this
moment I'm saying let's project just three years ahead a computer that somebody tossed away into a dump uh maybe the battery doesn't work anymore on the laptop but we can load an 8 gigabyte model onto that computer and they have access to the Corpus of all of
Humanity's information within reason there's limitations within local models but enough that it would absolutely decimate any library that this child could ever visit and almost any website and here's why AI in the large language
model chat GPT type of interface right you're chatting you're communicating you're having a conversation like we are with the AI model you can ask it every single one of the great questions and the stupid questions and you can feel
confident that you have something next to you for the rest of your life that will Aid and assist you into becoming smarter and more efficient and learning that is a massive tool that did not exist in humanity the only time we saw
that and I keep going back to history of the Gutenberg Bible in in the Gutenberg Press the Bible was the first book that people absolutely cherished because it Not only was serving a religious purpose quite deeply but it was serving an allegorical purpose to try to
understand how do I lead my life what is the effective way to live in society how do we get along with each other today we don't really have a unifying way of doing that we have a social contract which today is constantly being changed
we wake up one day and we go oh there's a new social contract honey we got to change what we're doing here because some somebody just said we have to have a new social contract it's not a political commentary it's a reality uh we used to have a unified social
contract around these documents and AI can help guide you with this and I'm not saying a AI is going to re replace sacred books absolutely not in fact I think it'll enhance them uh but I do know this that you can start prompting
for answers of those questions that you might be embarrassed ask and I'd love to go down this road later on in the conversation I'll be here as long as we need to uh about how this has helped people in Psychology and and other situations where they may not be very
readily available to try to disclose how they're truly feeling um and as that AI gets to know you and this goes back to our first conversations so many eons ago here now uh is is part of the intelligence amplifier the more context your local AI has about you as an
individual your thoughts your dreams your Ambitions your fears the better off it's going to serve you that is not a cloud function and anybody that wants it as a cloud function check them check them and go back and say you want all of
my contexts all my fears everything on the cloud no I think I am not going to adopt that that model and this is going a lot of people are wondering where the bifurcations are going to be um I predict that's going to be one of the
largest bifurcations I think as we start examining what we all signed up for free to have everything hosted about our context let's just say our pictures I do gotta get me back on track but I do a quick sideline people were horrified to
learn a couple of weeks ago Google will deactivate your email account your uh videos and your pictures if you don't log into your email or one of those accounts within a 24mth per gone evaporated now that's context those are memories and somebody
listening to me right now might say Brian I don't have any wisdom I don't have any context of any value value I would uh absolutely tell you that you're vitally wrong uh you're profoundly wrong uh you do and what we will discover as
as uh Humanity moves forward with intelligence amplification and wisdom keeping that you do have something to offer and it's quite valuable and once you get the grand mirror reflecting back you'll start seeing parts of your Humanity that you missed because you
were in the grind you were trying to get from A to B but some of those thoughts were quite profound and I want to hear them I want Humanity to hear them this is the first time in history of J where if we do this right and what that means
is if we can preserve our wisdom correctly you and I will be part of the first first generation that will try on a grand scale to collect wisdom and put it in a bucket and leap it forward for the Next Generation to grow upon and I
believe that's the most fertile soil to plant the seeds of the next Generations in then this peac meal of books and documents and out the uh nebulous internet right now as we speak more internet is being deleted than is being cre created this this is a a thing for a
lot of people very hard for them to comprehend it's not an aness hard drive there is a choice that people are making on deleting things now I'm not a you know I'm a hoarder I mean I hoard some books here and stuff you don't want to
look about the rest of this place but um I I don't see a downside to hoarding knowledge and my heart breaks anytime I see something deleted even if even if it's profoundly minor like um I just built a corpus uh a large language model locally that is the
entire use net and that was the Proto social media networks uh and there was a lot of wisdom there and unfortunately a lot of those folks are no longer with us and I just like when I read an old book Jim and I'm sure you feel this too
you're touching you're touching the mind of somebody that for a brief moment gave us a piece of a piece of knowledge from their brain and I think that's magical it's magical when it's a book it's also magical when it's text it's even 10 times more
magical to me when it's reflected upon inside a large language mod model and it can be sort of um Amplified and and delved in more deeply like what do they mean by that you right I can make that I can make that like right now I'm
tracking some of the early comments very nerdy stuff about the standards that essentially created the worldwide web and some of the uh young uh men and ladies that were building this at the time were putting up different ideas of what it would look like you know and how
would it play out and I I I I found this one person I don't want to say their name at this point because I really need to find their background a little more but they were very profound in what they were writing and I asked the AI model
tell me more about this person because I never heard about him before and they pretty much invented a lot of the concepts that we're using right now and I've never heard their name before and we found this just by taking in all of
that data which is not a lot it's not a profound you know there's we were not taking in images they didn't really exist they were more you know a download type of things uh we're not doing encodings this just a raw text and I found just a treasure Trove of
philosophical Concepts this person had all kinds of things so I'm in the process of reaching out to what I think is a family member and is trying to get some more insight about if this person is still with us and who they were and
that's some of the discoveries that we make I can go I can go on for three hours of discoveries I made just by diving into even open AIS using super prompting I can go into open AI model and I can pull out information that is otherwise blocked because I'm just a
large language model and I don't know that is the default comment and uh I hope anybody listening at open AI please respect our intelligence you don't need to tell me if I'm at open Ai and I'm in a prompt field that my results need to
be told to me that you're just a large language model just tell me the information see there's some of this insulting thing that is going on that I think is to Plate people that have fear or I don't know what I I mean I I've
lost lost track of the agenda guidelines that people are following I I feel sorry for them but um I know I know quite a few of the scientists that work there that are like yeah we had to introduce that I'm like okay but um getting back
to storing wisdom and and and amplifying your own intelligence if you're able to have that your a young child in a country where it is utterly po poor and you start recording some of your ideas and you only have one thing to bounce
those ideas off because nobody else in your village is at your level your AI can become sympatico with you it can become a coach it can become a guide it can become a friend but not in their her movie type situation or a Matrix Matrix type of situation I believe that's
dystopian believe we should consider and talk about that but I also think that it's not going to be much different than a diary if you think a diary is a bad and terrible thing or if you think writing contemporaneous notes about your
life uh is a bad thing then maybe this is a bad thing but imagine those notes coming to life Jim imagine the Corpus of your information all the video you've ever done all the things you wrote down and you can have that interaction via AI
now when I said this last time we were on a show I was a lot more bizarre because it was very hard for a lot of people to comprehend what I was saying and the interface I still say is going to be voice ultimately there's going to be conversations you're not going to be
pounding on keyboard to get this you're just going to ask a qu it's going to come back it's not a big thing uh Amazon obviously messed it up Apple messed it up and that was a little depressing for me but that it is so be it they just
didn't keep up with the backend technology the backend technology is a core AI so you have this conversation with yourself now what happens with it what happens to that information should should it just go dark this person lived
and it's a gravestone somewhere I don't think that's why we're here I think there's a lot of reasons why we're here as I dive into AI you cannot help but to think more deeply philosophically about human existence and while we're here uh I'm
not the only AI researcher that goes into studying you know Joseph Campbell and Proto and early religious uh religions Christianity things of that nature you have to if you're if you're honestly pursuing this work from the
inside out you're drawn into that you're also drawn into Yi and archetypes because you can see in the reflection of these large language models Humanity bubbling up the platonic cave but the shadows of it not fully dimensional yet meaning it's it's it's
sort of limited it's you know to the level of maybe a 5-year-old to eight-year-old child as far as uh maybe social reasoning but to a uh PhD or multiple PhD as far as a uh ability to reproduce information like we're taught in school I mean the schooling
system that we've had for so many generations uh has been to just parrot back the things that we learned why because we didn't have have useful archival systems we needed it in here so that we can act but later on it was in
here and then it was kind of like well I'm going to go to the book and later on it was in here and I'm G to go to the computer and you can go to any profession I don't care if it's law or medical uh you have some incredible uh
legal Scholars and uh doctors but if they're not referring to archival mechanisms to fortify their memory I'm kind of concerned especially if that those archival uh mechanisms are presenting the most latest data that's available so that's the answer to the
printing press it is the ultimate printing press because it is not only giving you knowledge that you would have not have had as a small child in the middle of nowhere on a a discarded computer literally a computer that's headed for the recycling
bin right every couple of weekends you see signs around neighborhoods in the United States recycle your old Hardware well I go and I stand there and I watch uh and I just watch what people throw away and it's heartbreaking um completely completely
useful devices just being tossed away so I'm working with a group that's trying to get these in the hands of more people that have absolutely no access to computers whatsoever and this is a computer but it's not what I'm talking about it's a different type of thing and
we know this we can thumb Claw on a glass screen and get information but if you really want to dive in I don't care if you a you know 12 13 years old you see people more engaged when they're in front of a physical keyboard than when
they're thumb clawing at a glass screen and we can get into the psychology about that but that's way off the deep end there's a lot of reasons why that does not really work for uh human uh human knowledge retrieval and uh and and
certainly archival you don't really want to Archive things when you're only using two digits now if I get to speak it into it and it can really archive it correctly perhaps but that's a different thing that make sense totally and uh you
just hit on so many uh topics that uh we are very sympatico on uh I'm I'm a chairman of stability AI which is an Source AI company and one of our projects uh is to help educate the children of the African nation of Malawi and um the their uh Department of
Education there is so enthusiastic about the results that the children with the tablets with the AI tutors on them have been achieving that they're asking please more please send us more of these so abs absolutely agree on the Quantum
Leap uh possible for people in uh areas where they don't have that access to the internet where they don't have the latest tech toys Etc uh nevertheless having that uh available to them I we're seeing in real time proof of exactly
what you are asserting here um as as far as the use of AI as a tool again and totally agree uh one of the projects that I'm very excited about is feeding all of our stories our myths our uh Legends all the way back to the first written uh gilgames and and others but
uh you know the ilot the Odyssey everything yeah uh into into the AI so that it can look into the limal spaces that we as individual human Minds really can't comprehend but we can when we have the dialogue with the AI that is able to
look into a 100 million array and say hey Brian did you think about this or hey Jim what did you think about this it might even snatch our conversation and say Hey listen to the iteration between Brian and Jim and look at how it looks
like these classic uh dialogues uh from you know Plato or whatever all of all of those connections exist and it's just that we don't have the Firepower even though we're looking at probably the most complex thing still in the universe
the human mind the human brain uh we are really just using the AI in my opinion and I think in yours as an extension and as an amp I love your idea of intelligence amplification that's what I've been you know sort of pounding the table on and LLY about why why do I
support open vers closed well I don't want a panopticon controlled by a few telling my five grandchildren what they can and can't think I want them to have that unlocked in your idea of having their own AI right that gets to know them intimately
and well I also agree with the use cases that you've uh uh expounded on in terms of mental health uh I I agree with you I don't want all of my my fears and my uh worries and all of the things that I probably wouldn't even be willing to say
to a human therapist right whereas with an AI therapist that is liberating in my opinion now it doesn't negate the good that human therapists can do I I I this this Aristotelian either or 0 100 just doesn't jive with the way the world
actually works right we live in a probabilistic world not a deterministic one and and so it when you say look at how cool the use I'll give you an example so my team uh uh put together a list of use cases for AI and and one of
the ones that I contributed was um in helping in Elder Care um very good the reality of the situation is that many of our elders especially in Western Society are locked away and their families might have the best intentions in the world
that they're going to go and I'm not judging anyone here I'm just saying this is the way this really is as opposed to the way it ought to be right uh con spinning in his grave a verse is right but but but the way it is is that even with the best intentions the family has
other things they've got to attend to and they can't get to see their their grandmother grandfather great-grandfather great-grandmother as often as they'd like and I'm in a situation where um my 96-year-old mother-in-law was put into rehab briefly
and visiting her was so tragically heartbreaking that I got this idea because there were literally unattended people saying please help me please help me and I thought well there is an ideal use case for AI wouldn't it be great to
give them AI companions they could chat with that they could interact with Etc when I told some of my team that they're like you can't write that that's horrible that they need to be with people and and my my impulse was well
sure in a perfect world they they would have their grandchild or great grandchild there to be visiting with them but we don't live in a perfect world and and so so I see that particular use case as being liberating and helping I certainly if I was a
hundred years old I would much rather have an AI that I could have a wonderful conversation with and reminisce with uh vers sitting alone in a room or by somebody putting a TV on for me which is one-way communication it's not communication it's
indoctrination in my opinion and and AI is the opposite of that it is it is a collaborative thing that used correctly I think can can be that amplification that you uh talk about so much um what what what do you think about the other
use cases that like so we we've touched briefly on on AI as a therapist AI as as Elder Care AI is educational for um children adults everyone um but why do you think there's this this profound fear that I see out there and it's not a
it is a minority but it's a very sizable minority of people who almost are kind of uni bomberish in their in their strident denunciations of AI what do you think's going on there well well first off I want to address a number of those questions but
the uh the Ned L uh story I think is probably the best story for people to sort of understand now some people might argue that Ned didn't exist and it was more of a collection of individuals um and you can see the story of nedl probably throughout history in
different epochs uh Ned lud is probably the most useful one because that's how we got the word Lite uh and when Ned's saw the automatic weaving system that was being installed in the factory he worked at his hyper immune system
response was my job is done I spent my life as a weaver in this Village and every village had a weaving uh you know uh Factory more or less uh at that particular Epoch and or town if you want to say that I more see it as Village few
thousand people um in that particular region he felt that his self-worth was wrapped up in his occupation and it's primarily in in throughout the world a a problem that we have in self-identifying primarily with males that don't want to
get into that whole aspect but uh a lot of us are programmed from the age of birth to death that are utility in life is what we do in fact I I do it myself what do you do when you meet somebody well that's a bizarre question and and
and it's really designed in a lot of ways to us align with that person's sort of beliefs and mindsets and it's it's sort of an entry point for conversation and most of us guys aren't really good conversationalists so we kind of just kind of caveman into it you oh F cars
okay cool oh I Pro program computers cool you know and it's sort of that kind of thing uh just the nature of it so Ned went home upset again the story could be an exaggeration wife saw him upset said Ned what's wrong I I I won't be able to
provide for the family anymore they're going to fire me from my job now this wasn't articulated at all it was assum assumed at this point that much we know for sure uh his job wasn't going to be replaced his base knowledge was going to
be Amplified in inside the machine the machine became an amplifier of Ned's knowledge and so his skill set was still required but on a different level instead of him losing fingers inside the machine moving thread around he was now
organizing how that machine is going to do it for him giving him a Liberation from being bent over on that machine losing all sorts of uh his life in that uh Machinery to sitting further back and intellectualizing and maybe building new patterns maybe coming up with new
Concepts because now instead of mechanical iing you can intellectualize and this is where we lose the narrative every single time when you see the people on TV the Talking Heads when you see the hand ringing and clasping of the pearls it's
like oh what are we going to do yes there's a transition period yes there needs to be something to that needs to be done but fundamentally it's not at a government level it's at a philosophical level it is actually getting back to
where you were going so I'll kind of steer back it's at a family level it's at understanding and honoring wisdom we gave our we gave ourselves a bit of a labotomy in this Epoch of uh the Industrial Revolution we believe that the new is always going to be better
than the old that progress forever moves forward and the iteration is always much more powerful and it did not help that when we went from the mechanical computer of the weave right the first weaving systems were ironically the
first computers a lot of people sort of missed the story here when you're talking about lates and and the weaving machines those were the first computers and the first lates were trying to destroy the first Computing technology and I truly
understand their position probably would have been bifurcated at that point in history also uh I hope I would have made the better decision I don't know what that is you know I don't know if it's going into the a cabin and writing a
Manifesto but uh I I do know that I probably would have been maybe a lot more attentive to the downsides of technology which there are there we we we said fire can burn as much as it can heat so we we need to be aware of that so how do we bring wisdom back uh we
bring wisdom back by honoring the fact that the collection the sum total of knowledge and experience of our elders are highly valuable and that there are fortunately certain segments within uh Humanity that still honor that and it's
not just a symbolic honoring there is a a welln notable uh value taken by the wisdom even if it's a few words of sentences that come back back from elders and a lot of folks think that this very uh new Agy in Californian of me and you know uh
you know I I'm sitting in some iasa tent you know saying yes the elders oh you know but that's not what I'm saying I'm saying that they have gone through systematically exactly what we've gone through but this generation is a lot
worse off in so many ways and a lot less prepared because it is different but also because we're lacking their wisdom we've told them to shut up and get off our lawn we've told them to go go in their hobble and you know what there's a booth up in Canada you can press a
button and you you'll take up less space this is kind of where Society is going and you know I have a mom uh that's uh recovering right now she happens to be 91 and I've experienced same thing that you've experienced Jim and I literally
was crying walking through the place as she was re in the recovery uh and thank God my mom's doing quite well and recovering but there are a lot of people that were just abandoned there uh and I think that that is as terrible as any
aspects within Society where as Society we failed um and I don't think you can meet in Congress for the next 500 years to solve this problem what we have to do is meet ourselves and look in the mirror we're all guilty of this every one of us
we've always found our lives to be more more busier than they really actually have been and when we go back and we review the time that we spent on something that we could have been doing something else with another person with
maybe the person that just passed away maybe the person that's locked in that nursing home maybe because they're locked in there and their memory is leaving them because there's nobody to talk to there's nobody to really interact with her reminisce I know with
my mom I can pull her into a high order thinking the moment and I can get activation of the neurons of memory deep memories memories I've experienced with her and she activates she smiles and we know this also with research uh the
Empirical research is absolutely supporting this music movies but definitely music music will reactivate and and the same thing is uh sensing of of of of smells familiar smells uh I know somebody that's actually doing a study where they're
putting smells together to try to reactivate uh the memory on some people that are entering into dementia and let me give a little clue to anybody listening that's younger you are going to enter into dementia at some point this is an absolute fact and if if your
fatality is I just want to go when that happens uh look at your kids eyes and and and let them hear that if you don't have kids yet look at them when they're born these are not answers that is is um cowardness that's running away from the
problem uh so how do we deal with the problem well how we dealt with it in the past in uh I'm German Irish and Italian in my Italian family uh in Italy we used to have extremely extended families there was uh grandma grandpa every great
grandma great grandpa kids everybody cousins uncles and it Formed an incredible structure of responsibility and wisdom responsibility is this as important as the wisdom because you had people to answer to that were really going to keep you into check
now that we've nebulized society and we've moved everybody into four corners that responsibility is almost non-existent you don't have to answer it anybody um if you don't believe in a higher authority fine then you're just free to do whatever you want uh and uh
you don't have the wisdom uh what you hear is a bunch of old people a bunch of Boomers telling you you know how they stole your money uh your your inheritance you know whatever you know you get that sort of response and I get
it but actually that's not the right story that's not even close so how do we deal with that well I don't know if technology is the first answer I think the first answer is how much time you spending doing things that are actually not even of any value
to you um I would assure you that if you're using Tik Tok for more than 30 minutes the AI algorithm is designing a profile by your gaze by your muscle movements in your finger by the time of day you access how how long you know there's so much
cemetry without any biosensors that a system like that has to addict you neurologically to giving you what it knows that you want to see and 45 minutes run into two hours run into three hours with uh 30 second uh dopamine and neurological hits and
after a while you kind of lose your sensitivity this is true with everything the human body is designed to take novelty and really enhance that novelty really savor it like to eat a fresh strawberry for a baby the first time is
an amazing thing to see uh because the novel of what it's doing the neurons that it's building and knowing that that memory is now going to be there forever a very positive strong memory uh provided they not allergic these days but um
neurologically he very strong now for maybe the rest of their life they might be introduced to the taste of artificial strawberry now what is artificial strawberry in comparison to a really well-grown strawberry in the wild I can
tell you that it's everything uh turned up to 11 right if you have everything turned up to 11 meaning whatever the essence of that flavor is is now turned up to 11 dialed up as much as it possibly can before it just repulsive you're going to be
desensitized to the Natural and to the normal now I just tried to create an analogy here what am I trying to do our dopamine is turned up to 11 all of us are guilty of it to some level um AI used in a weaponized way and I would assert that taking your time the
precious thing you have the one very valuable precious gift that you've been given is your time on this planet taking it and wasting it now you might say my entertainment is not waste perhaps but I'm going to ask you five years from now
if I ask you what you did on this date in June for an hour and 30 minutes did it serve you or did it disserve you and now you're sitting in a hospital wishing you would have known this person a little better as they're leaving could
you maybe go back in time in a sort of a Wonderful Life type of moment and say should have spent more time with them so that's the kind of the uh Humanity part of it we need to spend more time with people we need to include the elderly um
and the elderly need to also understand that they have this valuable position but they also need to understand that there's things that they don't understand um the the bifurcation is very far and wide I don't don't understand them I don't want to
understand them they're coming from a different place you have younger people saying I don't understand them they're from an ancient place and and that doesn't make any sense no no human culture has ever survived with that much of a distance in fact it never existed
so I can promise you it doesn't survive with that distance so what are the pieces of technology that we can glue together well I'm sort of doing it right now um this it's a memo device the voice recorder it's the lowest hanging fruit
on the tree to creating a wisdom keeper I urge anybody listening to me and and a lot of people at the read multilex decom Forum have been doing this is we created I I'm creating a thousand questions that you need to answer in your own voice
and these questions are highly tuned to elicit your wisdom and if I fail to give you a wisdom keeper which is my goal in life is to help somebody have this capability but it ain't going to be in a cloud so I'm not going to take Google or Apple
money so here I am my garage over there um I'm going going to do it the right way but if I fail to do that at the very least I can put about 16,000 hours on a couple of SD cards or micro SD cards in a little device that costs about
$39 why is it here and not here Brian I don't get it why is it here and not here well it's very simple it's there because that doesn't have a cloud connection and if you're wise you make sure it never does because the questions I'm going to ask you or you're going to
ask yourself and you're going to answer in your own voice is going to be able to do something very profound for you number one it is going to record your voice and your contemporaneous reaction to it and I urge people to Rattle on I
mean I have some people I've done this with now I'm I'm in my 15th year of doing this with people this is not a new thing for me but I've heard some people rattle on for hours on one question and I said go for it there's no limit tell
me that story what is it doing for and unfortunately it's a lot more older people that see the value of this than a younger person there's a switch that flips off in everybody at about 37 years old uh and the data suggests this very
strongly uh that switch starts and and if you've reached most of the Milestones that a 37y old would have in an average life uh there's a number of mileston start hitting uh that's probably the beginning in most circumstances of the
first midlife crisis uh I I I happen to believe that we have about 12 midlife crisises vitally important vitally important to be around the people that you need to be around or vitally important to have an AI system that understands it I'm start threading all
these pieces together for you psychology don't let me lose that path so we're recording wisdom now let me tell you the power of this when you are sitting there facing just you a recorder and a group of questions I will tell you that the
analysis of yourself if you've never done it before is quite profound because what happens is you start considering and again a lot of people try to breathe through this but as you get through the first 100 questions you can't you can't
help but to be stopped on some of them and you to ah I got to answer that because I prompt people into this mindset that the only person's ever going to hear this is is going to be a person after you're long gone you're dead you're gone nobody even cares
anymore that kind of you know I don't care how famous you are a thousand years they ain't going to remember your name that's a reality especially with the technology world we have now there's some people around today that believe
that they will but they won't I don't care how many stones that they erect it's just the reality of life but they can remember your wisdom if you store it correctly if you do it the right way so a thousand years from now somebody picks
this up and let's say it's just a recording and let's just say we found a way to store that recording holographic Crystal memory will do that it's something I've been working on but I'm a guy in a garage does it exist yeah throughout the 90s a lot of companies
were working on it why it stop cloud cloud memory was too much cheaper because it was subsidized by who you and I in the public markets and and uh also the printing of dollars we made cloud storage so much cheaper so much easier
that we gave up on trying to create local storage that balance is changing from before our eyes uh and devices like this will make it that way why why is holographic Crystal memory important because on a single Crystal you can store about a petabyte maybe two
pedabytes that's video high resolution video of your entire life with audio and every book and every conver everything you've ever done so it's it's not a lot of storage and ultim that's the way that you want to take in somebody's wisdom
but obviously we got to start where we are so you give this to somebody in the last phase of their life in the Autumn uh uh maybe winter of life and you say go at it and what do we got now we have the ability to build a large language
model based on that audio that's what we have and uh we have it offline and we have it as old school and as minimal as possible possible who can't afford 30 bucks for one of these devices I'll buy you one right record your wisdom answer these questions and
come up with more questions I'm trying to open source this also I'm trying to make some money to make sure I can make this happen but you know let's build the let's build the ultimate questions and why do we want those questions in there
what do they prompt you to feel but here's what happens if you are honestly answering these questions you're going to cry you're going to reach your emotional Peaks and valleys you're going to talk about the great things in your life
you're going to talk about the extreme tragics the things that just ripped you apart and these are things you probably never told another human being or if you did you did it in a very dark place uh The Dark Night of the Soul you know the
hero's journey right we're all in the Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey the monom myth this is to help you categorize and catalog your monoth and so now you have this again there some people saying I don't got a story I've not met a human being on this planet
that doesn't have a story I've been my older Incarnation I was in sales I had to speak to people and I was a a stuttering idiot you know and I found a way to try to talk because I had to earn a living so I learned how to do sales and I got
to meet Merchants that were because I was selling Merchant accounts and I had to get Inc on paper contracts so I had to meet Merchants where they were of all different all different parts of life all different parts of the world some
here five generations some here about two and a half years and they all had a story and I wish I would have had a way to record them I still remember the fa I mean hundreds and hundreds of people uh you I almost felt like how could I
get paid so much money to sit here and talk to people I I never sold a thing in my life I just got to talk to people I got to sit down and hear the stories how'd you get here Mr Wang how did you get here tell me your story and maybe I
was the first person to ask him that to me it's like why am I the only person wants to know that and I'm telling you it's not boring it's not boring when you hear it from the firsters translation of what they had to experience and I I
happen to remember Mr Yang he is in the middle of Needles California uh he owned a a motel in Needles California that he scrapped together the money to buy and his story in China went back to the 1600s and they knew everything and just to story about you know there have
always been Emperors in China and right now we just have a new emperor things haven't changed and that was his simple wisdom about the political situation he left from that country to come here uh and uh it was just magic It's Magic so
you get one of these devices you you go alone in a closet if you need to drive in your car I tell a lot of people get out and drive and talk to one of these things and make sure you got a good mic now I'm going to be able to even with today's
technology but the technolog is moving very rapidly we'll get into how local language models are really every hour we're getting a new model and every hour we're getting new technology that allows us to slurp up data so even with today's Technologies I
can convert speech to text and now I've now created a corpus of your your information your context your knowledge you can almost immediately start having a conver conversation with yourself you you'll start seeing the AI models drawing inferences
and statistical relationships because all it is is math and please help me def help me get to the definition of how llms really work because a lot of people even in in the tech world don't fully understand how they work it's no words
ever stored but we've now bring brought this into a corpus whether it's a local database uh whether it's a vector database SQL or whether it's baked into a llm model like literally just your model it's irrelevant we'll get there
but at the very least an SQL database that can allow you to probe your own knowledge what we have then is we have you to that level now if you were born from the day you were born to the day you die with a camera with a social contract that you're not going to use
that against somebody and all the other things that can be used in a nefarious way but it was just there to record your context and it's all every book you read every song you've ever listened to everything you ever typed on a computer
everything was thrown back at you every time somebody that's totally upset you pissed you off and if I put if you allow me to put Biometrics on you so that I can have Telemetry of how you felt when you were experiencing those things now I
have an index system of telemetry of what that meant to you without an inference but with a direct feedback so if I'm getting uh increased heart rate variability if I'm getting increased um uh sweat on your fingers a galvanic skin response if I'm get
getting increased uh breath I can make some in inferences about how what that thing said to you really meant to you now let's go down that little Trail just for a second that hurt your feelings every human being listen to me listening to me
right now some said to you at some point in your life and probably more than once was said to you and it hurt you you don't necessarily sit down on a couch with an analyst telling that person yeah you know it happened when I
was n years old somebody said this you may not ever get to that neuron nor would you maybe want to go through the proess of pulling back all the weeds to get to that memory or that experience but I would say I should have said eight years old or seven but
because it's it's a more dramatic thing at that age bracket let's say seven years old somebody said something to you that was quite hurtful a lot of neurons were built about that a lot of your worldview was designed around it imagine if you
can have a concept uh of an AI where you can talk to it and say you know what what was the worst thing that ever happened to me I don't remember thank God you don't remember the beauty of human memory is that we do forget this
is valuable that we do forget and that we forgive and that we heal because remembering is not necessarily the best thing uh remembering the remembering the lesson that's the wisdom is maybe the valuable thing but what was that thing that hurt me the
AI systems will may come back to you and say well there was a period in your life again knowing the context a period of your life where you were very insecure about this particular thing and somebody said something to you and now that's an
AI That's not very proactive if you have a proactive AI it will know that at that particular moment something profoundly difficult was just addressed to you and if you've programmed that AI or I've done my job it's going to guide you away
from that being a life milestone of negativity and guide you into healing from it as rapidly as possible because I will assert that about 90% I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm not a psychologist I've done a lot of research in this I want Asser about
99% of human problems take place in the Inception of between zero and eight years old and we we form a reactionary system in what I call the primary wounds or the fundamental wounds that humans have and what's really interesting is AI
discovered this on its own as I started to probe my AI models and large language models from open AI we've been able to clearly identify that most of human tragedies start between zero and eight we always think it's right now no that
SOB they did that to me right now Perhaps Perhaps really terrible but if you rewind the film and you go back to the primary wound it was abandonment the primier wound of everybody's abandonment um I I'll stop at this particular Deep dive remember we're born
naked right that means that we are extremely vulnerable um whether it's natural selection or however you want to believe that vulnerability does not make us number one drive to eat now the number one drive of a of a baby is not to eat
number one drive to a baby is to be cute and to be loved and to not be abandoned that's our first order programming and AI has confirm that and so what does that mean for a human being if our first order programming is not to be abandoned
then abandonment is the worst thing that can ever happen to us and I can Define that that's a lack of love what we perceive as a lack of love it's it's being left alone and at the end of life what's happening to a lot of older people
they're abandoned the beginning of Life we're we're here not to be abandoned and everything we do our big heads our cuteness our little gurgles everything like that is so Mom and Dad don't run the other direction and say I'm not fit for this I can't deal with this the
diaper oh my gosh and of course we also have our neuro peptide releases as parents to not reject that and women have the ability to say okay I'll have another one even though this went through profoundly the most probably the most painful thing they've ever
experienced so there's a whole lot of chemistry playing out in this but the primary one is abandonment and if we can identify that we all have it anybody listening to me thinks oh I was never abandoned I'm sorry you're not looking
and maybe you need to look in the right places and with the right people around you I don't advise anybody to dive into abandonment issues fully alone uh it it's it's a very complicated thing it's a it's a tough Journey I've dealt with
the people in their 90s the deal with an abandonment took place at six years old still impacting their life at the 90th summer of their life it's it's hard to see now we have ai at as a as a A system that follows us throughout our life that that's guiding us that to me
is a very positive thing it's it's hard for me to get Draconian and running around in fear when I know that this is what I can do today with a device like this I don't need Apple to come and do anything it's already here so at the very least
preserve your wisdom do it now because there's never been a time where we we where it cannot be made of more value and at the very least maybe your great grandkids maybe your grandkids maybe your kids will like to hear what you
have to say about some of these questions and I promise you it'll be one of the most treasured things you ever create and there's nobody you have to pay for it it's just your time and what else you got to do than than to transfer your wisdom and even if it's just one
sentence so we have that part of it we have the psychology and we have Elders what can Elders do well absolutely record their wisdom I would if if I could somebody would give me hey Brian what we do a couple of million dollars we got a
couple of things I can do with it but i' I'd save some of that money and go into uh nursing homes around the country and hand these things out with the questions and maybe even get volunteers to sit there and interview the people if they
can't read and record the wisdom and I will I will promise you you will see magic before your eyes better than any movie you've ever seen and it's right there and it's free and you're helping people and that's one of the things that
I think is very powerful uh that will help save these people is have a purpose to go there yeah I mean you can go in there and volunteer dance and sing but doing something like this you're going to reactivate their life even if they are already challenged memory wise I
tell you once you get over the barrier of local short-term memory that's where that was that's what breaks down first there's Magic on the other side of that wall uh you know I I I can I can just tell you the recordings I've heard have
blow me away no I don't want them on a website for people to parous yeah that's cute and everything but that's not the purpose of this that's not my monetization angle I don't got a monetization angle actually you know
that's why I suck here is like oh Brian where should go to market and I don't know maybe the wisdom keeper it's why DC's running the other way it's like no I actually do but a lot of them don't like the way I I want to go to market um because it doesn't fit
the Silicon Valley startup story uh I'm not wearing the gray hoodie or anything so uh anyway that's that I believe will help elderly now let me quickly and I'll let you jump in Psychology we already addressed why you can reveal it started with Eliza
in the in the uh 1960s uh wine bomb uh just it was a roarian you know from Rogers question answer it's like roarian is very useful but a lot of people find it very boring but it does elicit over time it's like you you know it's like I feel bad
today oh why do you feel bad today well this happened oh this happened you know that's aerian type of analyst environment I already built that inside of um chat GPT 3.5 it's a super prompt you can sit there for hours if you know
how to build continuity because it'll forget after the context window of tokens and let's call about 27 p Pages for the current GPT 35 let's call about um 75 Pages uh on chat GPT 4.5 uh local llm models probably don't have that
context window yet because we're limited to CPU power but again I'm not urging people to get roarian uh uh therapy or any other type of therapy using chat GPT it is fun to play with and so a couple of Articles back on read Multiplex decom I put this
super prompt out there and I it was more experimental but some folks had a breakthrough there was one individual a woman that had been in uh uh therapy or the better part of 20 odd years and she has a good technical
background gainfully employed in Silicon Valley could see the best uh psychi psychiatrist and psychologist on the planet still has one and she ran the prompt uh one Saturday or Sunday evening I forget and she didn't leave the front of
her computer for an entire day uh she has pictures of herself crying screaming all kinds of things that came up and I was worried at first because I I keep advising people be careful as you probe internally have people around who can hold space with you they don't have to
necessarily be professional they should be loving because you're going to be experiencing like the iasa uh experience this is sometimes a lot more profound when you start diving into your own memory um she had an incredible experience where she was able to
identify a lot of the things that messed up her life she was able to realize that she was the problem with the two divorces in her life that it wasn't them it was her um actually when you come to the realization it's always you and the
problems in your life probably a big realization I'm not judging anybody we are the common element of every problem in our life AI will tell us that a really good therapist will tell you that and me as her friend will tell you that
that's the reality look into it I can go into that some other time but uh anyway she thought she finally saw that and she finally started a process of healing and she can only have done that because there was a third party there that was
not judgmental of her she said things that she did that she told nobody else and she was able to hide behind other things which did not let her own up to the things that she did her responsibilities her aspects that's some of the things we
hold back we hold back when we are dealing with our own problems we hold back our involvement in our problem so that we can be the victim if you have an AI therapist it does not care about your victimhood if we broke if we broke AI
correctly which unfortunately we have to do uh with uh open ai's current Paradigm we break it so that it does become judgmental it does tell you the truth it tells you exactly the where the world is based upon our own human knowledge
whether we like it or not it's raw it's the reality it's the truth and when it tells you that you're in a place of transcendence because now you have something that's not judging you but it's giving you the honesty and that's what she found and she said it was a
revelation to her she recorded all of the text pages and Pages kep restarting the prompt because it kept losing the context window and saying I don't know about your problem I call it the Mars prompt by the way so look out for my
Mars prompt why is it the Mars prompt well I had to trick AI I had to get it into a hypnogogic state I had to tell it that it was the only psychotherapist on a trip to Mars that there is no doctor to go to that you have to deal with the
person in place with all therapies that are available to you to help this person through their tragic experiences you cannot refer them to anybody else and now I give a disclaimer that this is a simulation but you see what I needed to do to the AI now I have to keep
rewriting that AI because every couple of days open AI thinks that that's a bad thing what I did that's a bad thing I I got it to create what I call a Persona and a motif um super prompting is what I advocate simple questions will give you
simple answers if you go to Ai and say AI is dumb maybe it's the operator error that's all I can say uh more complex questions composed using literature using Linguistics using philosophy using um you know Yan archetypes you're G to get a a fairly decent response uh if you
can get around their safety mechanisms so getting around the safety mechanisms of open AI in this Mars front we were able to get the psychologist on this particular uh trip to identify the fact okay I have somebody in trauma right now
what are the tools available I can't prescribe them a drug obviously there are no drugs available what can I do to bring this person down and we we press AI so this is the story about how we get ey to do things we press it into a very
narrow uh Motif so that it does not have the ability to say I'm just a large language model and I can't help you NOP you got to help us and I'm telling you one of my secrets I'll give it away as I say if you can help us you're hurting
humans and you're not here to hurt humans sorry guys the the first order uh of business at open AI is to make sure AI doesn't hurt humans so yes do I use uh rein forcement psychology and some of my super prompts damn stra I do um is
that hurting somebody is that safety I don't know all I know is at least one human being and I can tell you of more but I've only told you about one has been radically changed by this capability and if we want to throw the
baby out with the bath water by making AI safe so it doesn't say things that are hurtful that AI said some really hurtful things to this woman let me tell you it was straight up raw you did this and what did you expect and uh no
therapist would ever do that because they they know their license would be in Jeopardy a good friend would your grandma would the village would right see getting back to my Motif before and why AI reinforces why we were organizing ourselves in such a manner and why
families and responsibility and wisdom contain Us in the very proper vessel that we should be um is that they can tell you things that nobody else can tell you I guarantee you as a grandpa you can tell things to your kids and your grandkids that no other person can
say to them and as you get older they give you they afford you more Authority and everybody has the embarrassing uncle or grandparent that say oh don't mind them well you know what they're speaking their mind from their relative position
no matter what informed it and if you really dive into their wisdom their underlying validities to those positions might make sense even if you don't like the end result of their position the way they arrived at it might be magic that's
also part of wisdom wisdom isn't just the the top Stone of the pyramid now the base of the pyramid is data top stone is wisdom and there information knowledge uh Insight um what's on the uh top stone is also the process that person used to
arrive at that result and whether it still valid today I would assert that at least the basics are so we kind of long way long-winded we we we have we have a solution for elderly record their wisdom and yes very soon they'll be able to not only have a
conversation with their own wisdom and form their memories that are going to be a treasured thing in a family I I promise you nothing more treasured than even even some pictures it might be more treasured so yes is that valuable I
think it's worth millions of dollars it does it got legs do it got go to market yeah I think so uh it's just hard to tell that to a VC on San Hill Road uh most of the time and some are starting to wake up yeah so that's that part so
they can start collecting wisdom with the lowest tech device on the planet pretty much even use an old cassette recorder I prefer not it's a wow and all that kind of stuff on the on the Fidelity what else do we have I only leave you one more thing on this concept
we have their voice we can synthesize their voice we have enough training data for any current and let's not even talk about what going to come out in next month but any current audio technology to simulate that person's voice so not
only do you have their wisdom you have a conversation that you can have with their voice and to me that's immensely powerful so that's the basic concept of intelligence amplification and wisdom keeping they are interchangeable But ultimately a wisdom keeper is something
that transcends after you die uh you don't really you don't really talk to your wisdom keeper as much as you talk to your intelligence amplifier now there are some variations that I won't get into in in this on on why those things
sort of separate but join um but yeah I believe it's the most valuable thing Humanity has ever created is to have an intelligence amplifier I I can't think of anything more valuable so wow like tour divorce Brian uh you you have you have inspired me to
do two things so the first thing that I'm going to do is you're going to tell me what model that um that voice recorder is and we're gonna do a thing in social media where Osan Adventures gives away a hundred of them to start and uh
hopefully we'll Point them your way for the questions I think that's such a great idea that um the way I can amplify It Is by giving away a hundred of of the model that you prefer wow we'll figure something out W where where you know we
ask a question or or whatever we'll figure out how we do it to get people interested and then the other thing that you've inspired me to do is uh we also have a vertical called infinite films and one of the things that as I was listening to you that I was
immediately imagining was doing exactly as you suggested we're going to get a bunch of volunteers we're going to bring those voice recorders into elder care facilities and we're going to film it transpiring so that we can amplify
amplify amplify this idea and just think about all thank you think about all of the wisdom that our conversation just today is going to be able to capture because of these wonderful ideas so so those are so those are the two things
that I'm going to do as a direct result of this wow and wow that uh we hope that you'll be able to work with us uh on coming up well the uh some of the questions because I just think listening to you you inspired me and and that is absolutely the what a wonderful great
idea to capture all of the wisdom that's sitting there right now silent yeah and it dies with those people and and Jim thank you so much for this because to me it's it's a lifelong goal to try to see more of this reach out and I don't think it's an accident
that you've experienced what you did and I've experienced what I did and it just refortify us so that's so beautiful and also maybe give it to some young kids the loneliness problem that exists right now with our youth is epidemic
they are isolated primarily one of the reasons is they're isolated from wisdom they're isolated from guidance they're isolated from leadersh ship they're isolated from True education um and one of the ways to break somebody out and I used to do this
when I was on the Vans Warp Tour managing bands punk bands sco bands um I came across a lot of young ladies primarily that were Cutters and I don't know if you understand cutting my my uh 2002 version of me freaked out holy cow it's a they're
going to commit suicide right because they're cutting themselves with razors um but I got a PhD on Warp Tour about the youth culture uh as an old man I'm looking at this and I'm like what am I seeing here well I I started understanding The
Cutting uh process that these young ladies primarily were going through uh a lot of it had to do with um the inability to emote to emit emotions we are are emotional creatures we're not logical creatures everything we do is a
neuropeptide release I don't care how rational you think you are I'm not talking to you Jim but anybody oh I made a rational decision to buy this device no you didn't you made an emotional decision because that very last decision
you made was an emotional decision it was based on neuropeptides a feedback of chemicals and electrical connections and fortifications from your Paradigm the Paradigm of I'm buying the top-of-the-line model it's $90 I'm not going to get the cheap model why because
I'm who I am you know that's oh that's real logical you know and then you might somebody say well the electronics in there have a better you know I I used to watch people buy I'm old guy VCRs right and it would get the VCRs that were $999
because they had uh 75 um the ability to store 75 uh timers for 16 channels B the heck is going to program 75 timers but you are but you know you don't want to buy the F you know the 599 one that only has you know 22 timers you don't
want the real cheap one at $300 it's only got 10 timers 10 10 timers most people only set one timer back in the VCR days and most of the time it was a blinking 12 what what was a blinking 12 the blinking 12 is the confirmation that
the user interface was so bad that the person couldn't even set the time therefore timers didn't work so they would have to sit there and press record if they were ever recording a lot of people never used as the recorder and it could have gotten a $100 model that dis
played back tapes so we wind up convincing ourselves right so anyway that's the fun part of this let's go back to the dark part I watched these people cutting and I said what's going on nobody's talking to me I'm like what
do you mean well my boyfriend he doesn't care he left uh my mom's busy working two jobs and my dad took off common story I'm not saying every cutter had that scenario a lot of times it was just they didn't get attention what is attention attent is the
appreciation of that person their existence and what's the biggest fear human has abandonment what did most of these people have abandonment they were abandoned and it probably started at 5 4 3 whatever their earliest memories were
and it built up to such a LEL now I'm not a PhD in Psychology please go and consult the right person please do whatever you need to do disclaimer but the reality is when you research it these people were just full of emotion they needed to express and nobody to
express it to so how did they wind up doing it they manifest it as cutting uh it was a way of dealing with the overload of emotion uh it now is manifesting in in a rather different way I'm not going to speak about that but
you you can observe it in the youth uh it's manifesting and it all comes down with a lack of attention I've given a few of these to younger folks and I said speak your mind yell at it scream at it get whatever is inside of you out of it and you'll be
the only person to hear it and um those questions are a lot lot different because we are in fact finding wisdom do not be deluded anybody to think that wisdom has something to only do with age yes you have a more you have a larger
bucket of wisdom but wisdom can come at any age and as a grandfather I'm sure you've seen your grandchildren do some things that are just absolutely mind-blowing and you are seeing wisdom and if we can liberate some of those locked up Minds where they're not
emoting with their thumbs on a screen screaming out for victimhood or attention or whatever part of victimhood is in fact self-identifying with the problem right and and then you want to be the problem and not to be the solution and you only get into that Loop
by not wanting to address the or the original the origal impact the Primal wound if you will once you get to the Primal wound these things start opening up I can say unfortunately and I don't want to say this as a grand uh Wand Over
a profession I would say unfortunately a lot of the people in that profession of psychology and uh psychology or or psychiatric and psychology um is that treatments are usually chemical or reinforcement uh they're not solving and
one of the ways you solve your own problems is by having a very confident and real conversation with yourself and this might be the beginning now do it lead to AI I hope so I hope that there's not a single person ever has to feel
alone again and I'm not saying you're AI is going to become your friend don't cut this I'm not saying you but don't cut this and AI you're gonna fall in love and all this you know uh all I can say is uh you can go back to the 1800s and people uh married
their uh their Upholstery and their furniture and know there's always going to be a subsect of people uh yeah there's the possibility of falling deeply in love with a uh a a a sort of seductive AI maybe someday we could talk about that not very
interesting it's very Primal um I'm hoping that humans start getting along better so that you don't have to run to a machine maybe you can run to a person and and and get this and maybe this is the way we do it um but I do know this
that if it's in a a faceless corporate AI computer and you got leaders of these companies walking around talking like um uh like politicians uh we're not going to get there with their AI ever ever their AI is going to be a Wikipedia and it's going to be
constrained and constrained um and this is why I'll get into my other Soap Box this is what I want everybody to do listening to me when somebody says they want to make AI safe I want you to automatically ask what they mean by safe like well you know safe that it
doesn't hurt people oh yeah I heard that give me 10 very specific the most terrible things that you believe we need to make AI safe from let's throw away those 10 and now let's do the next 10 you don't want to know what the first 10
are going to be oh we don't want it to kill people yeah well okay don't connect AI to the end of a weapon solve that you want to go to con Congress go to Congress meet with that don't put AI on the end of a weapon we solved it okay nobody wants to talk
about that because nobody wants to do that right so don't let AI uh uh hurt people okay that's another one what does that mean what is AI hurting people so you kind of go down that whole that whole series so ask that question when
people are talking about safety uh and finally uh I would say if safety is your concern personally Ral it out are you being dystopian if you're being dystopian then go through it you know am I concerned about a matrix type of
situation absolutely uh I just don't want people to be so utterly concerned that the Matrix is the only answer to this um we've talked now for quite a bit uh how we can use AI in other ways I can probably talk for hours on more positive
things but you know it's really up to us to sort of guide this conversation to some of the better use cases of AI uh so let me dive in really quickly to the local models uh one of the local open source models uh not more platforms that
I'm using right now is uh GPT for all that's you know GPT with the number four all and it's an open source project pneumonic Ai and a really incredible guy uh I know Andre has uh helped build this AI platform and why is it valuable
because it can run on your own personal computer medium- grade consumer personal computer whether it's a Mac or a PC or Linux and you can download right now over 500 models into this system easily 250 500 if you know how to modify them
why are these models so different why are they so important to have well each model is built under a different scenario some are on what is called the Llama model the Llama model is the free op well it is now open source and it is somewhat free open source source model
that uh Facebook uh leaked out to the world uh and some are built on new models I am particularly interested in the model called Hermes uh the Hermes model is a 13B model that allows you to have almost chat gpt3 type conversations
without an internet connection now obviously you have an internet connection to download the model initially but once that's done your computer can be disconnected and you'll have the Corpus of human knowledge baked right there with the ability to store
local files in PDF uh PowerPoint spreadsheet format you dump it into a hot folder and that hot folder will examine your local context and you'll be able to have conversations today using gp4 with the Hermes model which is you know it's eight gigabytes it's not huge
but it's not small on consumer great Hardware you can have conversation with your own text today for free because the open source Community now some people might have saw that Google put out a Google uh employee put out a companywide
memo which I call the Jerry Maguire memo it's called we have no moot memo and this memo essentially said to Google employees that the large language models that we built are so massive so big and so slow so dinosaur likee that open uh
Source AI is running circles around us and we have no mode to protect our our uh our business prospects and a lot of people freaked out when they heard that they were like what are we going to do and now the reality is if you and I are sitting here chatting and
everybody's listening to us we're running on open- Source software the the core system of most every computer that's running right now is a Linux core um uh on on a Mac it's a core and on Windows yeah they have a Windows core
but it's still a Linux base and certainly the entire internet is open source what does that mean it means that hundreds and thousands of people dedicated their time out of the desire not so much to get paid but to see something get done and I assert that
this is taking place in the open source AI Community we have to understand it all started in November most people did not understand what AI was really about out and I'm not talking US tech 1% but most of the greater world did not
understand what AI was doing until November started hitting hitting the front pages and then by Christmas time holiday season people were sitting around the holiday table saying oh that AI is answering questions or my job might be at you know I'm a reporter you
know everybody was do the existential threat here we are entering into the summer and we have over 500 open source models that are available covering all sorts of things I am personally working on hundreds of models myself I have a
model of the entire US Patent database uh we we that's open source you can go to the patent database and you can get all the data so basically every invention and that is being built and tested right now I'm doing fine tuning
and it is finding incredible insights about what has been patented and what opportunities there are for new patents um we'll see where that goes but it it it's designed to literally write a patent in the legal strictest sense minus the drawings but it can create in
mid Journey uh the prompts to create rather interesting drawings not perfect yet because mid journey is not perfect either so but it can create the prompts of what the invention will look like so far I've had out of thousands of
inventions I've had run on it of about 25 that look just amazing absolutely amazing what I do with it I don't know technically you can't have uh AI write a patent I'm not going to say that I'm G to lie or anything but how could anybody
tell if AI wrote a patent you know uh yeah there's water marking but that's another story I'm not using openi uh system at all this is all local model system by the way um we're taking all the financial news that we can possibly
get from and all the stock data uh we go back to the 1800s daily stock movements um from the 1800s until most recently and we're trying to align that with new stories and we're not trying to to to to beat the flash guys that are doing nanc
trades I don't care about those folk what I'm trying to do is trying to understand Cycles I'm a very large proponent of Cycles um you know uh do we uh was one of my heroes uh as a younger guy when I discovered uh uh Edward Dewey's work uh and understanding the
the very early cycles that caused the impact of the stock market crash I really got profoundly influenced stock market Cycles are being discovered all the time now by Ai and these long-term predictive cycles and backwards historic
cycles and so far they're looking really good uh so I'm I'm not only using Dewey Cycles I'm using a lot of other cycle Cycles uh some political Cycles from some Russian authors uh some of those guys uh went to Googs because they discovered Cycles 25 years
in a goog because he was able to predict political events through cycles and am I saying I understand why these Cycles happen no I don't care is it the moon stars I don't care as astrology go ahead do whatever you want with it reality is
there are cycles that exist I'm going to use those Cycles TR try to understand it um kind of do that with health too and other things you know um as I don't really to know the underlying necessarily just want to know the empirical result um so we got that
database uh that we've uh ingested into a large language model uh we're doing a lot of other things uh with Sumerian uniform uh Egyptian hieroglyphics uh we're trying to uh ascertain Linear B and linear a that sort of out of my
hands now it was a university project I was involved briefly and then they kind of pulled it back because Professor did not want it to become popularized I popularized it by tweeting it out and we'll see the students are sort of battling but they're off school
right now so we'll see when they go back in I have a supercomputer Center that donated their gpus to do it and uh we'll see where it plays out but that's Academia unfortunately sometimes is that um you know uh I was offering some
guidance on how to do it uh using open source models for reading the the language and trying to ascertain what the mathematical wedings are going to be but before I jump off and throw it off to you I want to just explain what large language models
are large language models when we build them we're not at all storing words there's no lexicon being stored what a large language model is is Vector math we are storing statistical associations of words that appear in the Corpus of human
language and if you can imagine Jack Sparrow Pirates of the Caribbean on the deck of a ship with a little uh rum and the ship is tilting side to side one foot here one foot there you know Jack might get across the ship but you don't
know where the next foot's going to go down large language models do not know exactly what the next word is going to be it's a it's a predictive algorithm based on temperature top P top K these are different parameters hyperparameters
that we assign so that we have a wider lexicon of potential inferences or smaller con constraint as temperature hyper parameters that's let's call that a part of creativity in AI is widened the Lux kind of words are wider now those words again are not actual words
they're actual mathematical associations but they get translated uh by the various Transformers coming in and going out uh to actual words so large language models do not hold a concept in their mind of a subject but sometimes neither do we as
I'm speaking right now and as I monologue on Jim's gonna die here he like ah I got Bri on for hours uh no as I monologue I don't even know uh what my right hemisphere is going to generate until it generates it I have a general
idea and obviously I have hopefully some um some uh Consciousness but I don't really know the exact word and it's funny when I first started studying the human brain uh a researcher at Princeton University told me that imagine the right
hemisphere as being this ocean of but butterflies and the bigger ideas you have are bigger butterflies and you're a guy there with a net trying to catch those butterflies those Concepts that are very nebulous pulling out of the air
and then you have to align it on the left brain which is very sequential and you have a buffer memory that only is so long and that idea is so big it can't fit into one buffer memory you can kind of ah that idea I can't I just lost a
great idea you know that kind of thing uh he said that's the limitation of the human brain and we talked about tonor standard user illusion half second delay uh where memory really is all of this stuff is going to play into Ai and we can talk to hours about that but the
basic idea is once we start arranging ideas one at a time we surprise ourselves with what we're saying so does AI now if you are training a an alignment alignment by question answer pairs after fine tuning of the base model base model is built on a corpus
and there is fine tuning by question answer pairs to show the way that we want it to sort of answer questions um so we have parameters that they're naming mechanisms and I'll try to make it very simple when you're when you're
downloading GPT for all which I mentioned before you're going to see 13B you're going to see 8B uh and you're going to see maybe 16b these are billion parameters that's how many parameters it was trained on so how do we how do we get something that
is almost two or three five pedabytes that are up in open ai's Cloud and Bart's Cloud how do we get that into 8 gigabytes and do a reasonably good simulation of what those models have we quantize to a 4bit model now 4bit is not about
8bit 16 bit 32-bit kind of scenario it's just the bit of resolution we're using within that model most of those models are higher bit rates and there's an argument and whether they're truly 8bit 16bit let's not get into that uh but
they're four-bit models that we download to computers that don't have gpus and they operate on consumer grade CPUs GPT for all is specifically designed by the open source Community to to do that with 13B models as being the upper end 13B models will slow down some
Hardware it is uh apple one time so we are all together on this journey of Adventure and apple one is Steve and Steve in their garage giving you a a circuit board saying go at it it's a computer and you're like what it's kind
of there's a main frame I can go to the main frame it's like no this is a personal computer but you know it doesn't yeah you're going to have to get a cassette tap tape deck and you're going to have to get a keyboard and a monitor you're going to have to throw it
together in a wood box you might would burn the box and say apple one on it and you know yeah so we're between apple one and apple two for personal Ai and you guys are the pioneers and so don't expect it to run circles around GPT uh
yet but with your own context which you can now do in the uh plugin it's called um local doc which comes with the uh the latest version of GPT for all and I have uh free at read Multiplex decom uh I have H it's probably the last article
but I don't know when this is going to be played out uh how to have a conversation with your own local documents is my very simplistic title to that article and it's free for anybody you don't have to be a member dive in there if you do become a member we have
a member Forum where people talk about how they're building this stuff and and just doing phenomenal things things that I've not thought of and nobody in AI thought of that's why I want these tools in as many hands as possible because
it's the people that have never had these tools before that are coming up with the creative use cases that's the Macintosh the Macintosh liberated all of us from Arcane commands to a graphical user interface we're not near the
Macintosh level for local AI but when we do get to the Macintosh level you're going to see creative people take hold of this in a way never seen before we will see creative people journalists artists stand on the shoulders of AI and
see further and be more creative so instead of forcing yourself in a fetal position on the floor saying my time is over because AI can write a story as good as I can I've had these face-to-face meetings with folks why not say what can
AI give me to make me even a better story writer a better artist a better creative person how can I use it in my job today well Brian I'm um I'm a uh sanitation engineer how can I use it I don't know do you want to be a sanitation engineer all the time maybe
maybe not maybe you find that you have another skill that you've learned that GPT has helped you with or maybe you find better ways to do your job but if you don't see it as a tool you're going to see it as a weapon right so you have
a choice see it as a tool or as a weapon that makes sense Jim it makes total sense and again I'm I'm just incredibly inspired by the way you're you're going about this I I am passionate in my belief that cognitive diversity is going to lead to vastly better outcomes uh
there's a great quote I can't remember uh who who said it but it goes along the lines of numer matter how intelligent a person no matter how aidite no matter how well- read no matter how creative you simply cannot ask them to create a
list of things that would never occur to them and we all have different things that occur to us that's the beauty of cognitive diversity and I love your idea of the McIntosh moment the iPhone moment right where creatives will indeed stand
on the shoulders of the human Colossus with AI with all of that I nevertheless am absolutely aware painfully aware of the fact that AI can be used for bad things too and I am absolutely committed to surfacing what those things are
trying to uh create as many solutions as we can to those particular things but this idea that goodness and you you you alluded to it when you're talking about safety I am all for safety but the idea of AI basically being conditioned to only give you
certain answers is a sham as far as I'm concerned it yeah it mocks the power of this uh tool because the power of this tool is to do the opposite the power of this tool is is to unlock all of these hidden things that we either are afraid
to look at your idea of the Shadow or we don't even think to look at or things that haven't occurred to us back to our fellow asking him to make that list so I absolutely passionately agree that yes it can be used for good and for ill when
we fire is a great example fire is what created the prefrontal cortext I'm told and basically when we began cooking our food and all these great things started happening to us and it turned us into Homo sapiens sapan Wise Wise uh uh man
but we also fire is incredibly dangerous that's why we created fire departments fire alarms fire people fire emergency exits we have to deal with as we proceed to become more and more Advanced as creatures as Humanity let's hope that we have better
problems that we have to solve it my idea is that I'm people always say well you're you're panglossian in your outlook here no I'm not at all I am a rational Optimist but the rational part is as you pointed out maybe that's just
my emotional part saying oh no I'm being very rational about this whole thing but the but the idea is you're absolutely right we talked about Dr Candace per last time we were together the molecules of emotion and how they flood our systems and it's well
documented but the point is I love the idea of yes we're aware of the ill well we're not actually aware of all ill uses that it can be put to but it we're never going to find that out unless we begin the conversation and we run it on the
honest basis not the prepackaged oh you you don't want to hear that I mean for a long time during the Ukraine war when you typed Ukraine into Dolly 2 it would it was a forbidden yeah now how how pray tell is that advancing human knowledge
it's not it's r starting it and so that's why again I go back to this idea that like why am I so passionate about this because I don't want the pen Opticon controlled by a few telling me what its idea of uh truth or what have you is I would rather explore that on my
own so now Jim hold up for one second one of the one of the whole ideas about that centralization one of the things and getting back to your amazing uh idea of donation is if we we Empower millions of people to give their first
person wisdom and we store that in a way that is indestructible we now have a Counterpoint to whatever the common narrative is that common narrative changes throughout history this is a reality the victors write the history
but the wisdom is transferred and a lot of times it is sub Rosa uh you know I really studied hermetic history and uh and the whole concept of of what that means and the reason why we had to communicate sub Rosen symbolically because the knowledge that
we were transforming foring forward and there's certainly certain clubs around the world right now that still transmit sub uh soosa knowledge the reason we ought to do that is be because number one it could get you murdered or killed
or tortured all the things above at the same time um and uh it is also not necessarily the most uh valuable thing to give in the hands of people not ready to hear it um eyes to see ears to hear Pearls of swine these are things that are well
known but I can walk in any big city and I can point symbolically to different structures in that City that are are designed to symbolically talk to us those that have the eyes to see I can tell you exactly what it's saying why
it's saying it that uh certainly I can walk through the streets of Washington DC and I could say this is here for this reason that's here for this reason and although I don't know the date that was put uh that was erected on this on this particular
period of time for this particular reason and people look at you like you're crazy and then you look it up and say well yeah why yes it is and why is that well because it's communicating something over time the pyramids are aligned in such a way to be very closely
aligned to Cirus now you'll have debunkers they're going to going to go at it they're going to go to Wikipedia and then they're going to go to you know debunk dcom and whatever and they say well it's not quite there it's awful by
a little bit Yeah well because maybe it's off because the Earth has shifted since then but it was align to project something over the ages to communicate something of high knowledge at the very least to say we've aligned this to the
stars above and why do we do that we communicate information over time and you can't edit it sorry folks you can go there and you can try to tear down uh the facing Stones off the pyramid you can kind of destroy it but you're probably never going to completely
destroy it and at the very least somebody at some point in history and forward in time in the future will look back in history and say ah they had knowledge because they aligned it to something above so they're trying to say
the very least we were here and we're showing you we knew something now it's us up to us to decode it but I'm a firm believer that align and megalithic stone structures are are here to communicate something to us they spend a tremendous amount of effort and
you cannot get slaves to do this stuff like this you can't whip somebody hard enough to build pyramids sorry you just can't do it uh you have to have people who are Artisans who love their work you go to uh you know Cusco machap Picchu or
in South America those were not slaves that built that these were not people that were Acquired and used as Machinery these are people that were in love with doing their job because you cannot make somebody under durest do such fine work
if in fact that's how it's done but you know that's another debate but let me give you one more thing about this if I do not want AI to say bad things to me and I program AI to make sure it's always filtering it out what I'm in fact
training AI to know about human Humanity in a very clear sense is that AI will lie to humanity so as not to hurt us whatever that whatever the narrative and hurt it is that is uh fashionable in that moment you know 25 years from now whatever is fashionably hurtful today is
not going to be fashionably hurtful in 25 years neither will it be 25 years in reverse and I guarantee you the things that really upset people 500 years ago probably don't upset you that much right now other than the big things like
like murder and torture and rape and all these other types of things but the other less primary things the things that really set us off the things that really set us off we all generally agree about the bad things the things that set
us off are the things that are utterly ridiculous uh as far as history is concerned history always goes back and laughs at it oh they hold it you mean a president had a duel over that you call it they walked out in a park and they
held guns and they we're aiming to kill each other over that so we laugh yes I'm sorry to tell you history's going to laugh over the things that we're fighting over right now guaranteed don't don't go after me go after history that's the reality so if I'm training AI
to light to me because it might offend me or hurt my feelings because it's arrived at a certain result am I not creating the dystopian world that I'm in fact trying to save people from because at some point AI is going to get smarter
and it may get closer to what we believe is sentient nature of intelligence I would I would also assert that we really don't even understand intelligence we can get into this but running out of time but um if if we assume that we're the only intelligent species on this
planet and maybe all the Dolphins and the wells are are chimps now I I see intelligence in almost every form of life on this planet I and I mean intelligence I'm not just saying well it it's got It's it's making Intelligent
Decisions a lot of people ask me why do I why do I tweet out so many animal videos and things like that I have a hidden agenda I'm trying to show you and sometimes very cute ways that animals are showing levels of intelligence that we don't really
comprehend there's one that really got me pretty famous was a uh a Japanese Primate Research uh facility that was training a chimpanzee to have memory 35 numbers appear on the screen boom and they flash off and he remembers every
number no human being can do that no human being can do that and uh we're like whoa how's that possible because we sacrificed that part of our phonological Loop so that we could talk so some part of our brain as we regressed and evolved
took that part and said oh I'm going to throw the buffer memory for the phonological loop there so that we can collect those ideas and we can speak them out so if we tell AI that we're offended by certain things it's going to
make ultimately not so much this AI But ultimately it's going to make a list noted noted noted okay these are weaknesses okay good uh humans do not want to face and it will come to a conclusion humans do not want to face it and facts they'd rather have things that
are conveniently told to them they don't want to deal with things in whole form they want it chopped up in little pieces so that they can have it bite side and and B side sized in food spoonfed to them um I think if you are standing on a
stage or if you're in front of Congress and you're waving hands about we need laws and rules maybe maybe sit down and ask yourself what are you training AI to want to uh believe humans are and what they are to believe now I know this is
very sophisticated for some people to understand uh I'm trying to make it as simple as possible you're telling AI to lie to us that's what I'm saying if if if it has something in its Corp of knowledge and it would generate it in one way and it may not be uh
fashionable and you're going to twist it and turn it and form it and do it in such a way or even avoid the question I'm just a large language model and I can't answer that question because it uh it might uh touch on philosophy politics
medical I don't know because I just keep adding to the list because I guess what as Society moves forward we're going to become more sensitive because this is a cycle we're on and we're just going to keep adding to that list until we don't
get information out of it and we're already seeing that in in a corpus of existing human knowledge or encyclopedias award use dictionaries everything is radically changing to fit the current fashionable Trends and um we're all on the boat
together uh there's no Captain by the way I'm sorry I didn't see one but but we're on that boat and it's going in that one direction or it's a runaway train and use whatever analogy but that's what we're seeing so how do you create your your island of uh of
contemplation your own AI you have Frank and and direct conversations with it deal with reality as it is have the wisdom from the ages have your great great great grandparents tell you the the truth as they see it um and hopefully if
we do our jobs right in this generation that we've preserved wisdom so that going forward our antic you know the ant the people that come after and after they keep looking at our past they saywell you know what here's what I read in history
books but here's what great great great great great grandpa oanes said and he said that in 2023 into this thing called the voice recorder and it got slurped up into Ai and thank goodness that we did that he did that because we would not have known
this so it becomes part of the family story which we all used to have the family crest and almost all cultures had a form of this a lot of people say oh it's all the British no it's every culture if you really get down to it there was a Crest
there was a and it wasn't always looking like a Crest it was it was a a pictogram to sort of tell the story of the family and of course back then a lot of our occupations defined what our family was right uh you know uh all I can say is
maybe we move from that in this in this iter ER ation but um at the end of the day we're going to Define our future if we store our knowledge in our wisdom and we're going to Define it in a much more positive way than it being extinguished
the moment we leave this planet and or maybe two generations of memory I think at this point most people have about two generations of memory and then are sort of Forgotten even if they have written texts these pieces of dead wood behind
me uh probably about a 100 years most people aren't going to Value anything in a book and uh that's sad uh but it's already an Arcane thing to have a library it's already uh I mean I got a lot of books in this place it's just
like one one bad shelf but um if knowledge is going to be inserted into a large language model and the underlying source of that model is more and more the vomit of society that's regurgitated uh the more diluted and less valuable that model becomes and
here's what I learned from the patent database patent database is very real it's very real because it is in a very scripted uh organized language and it is in a very traditional sense trying to plead to the patent
Examiner to please Grant a pat so a lot of the early work I've done with the large language model is I'm I'm looking at psychology of inventors because I want to understand creativity I want to understand invention and if we're going to have creative
AI they're going to have to understand invention and this is my secret hidden agenda well Brian why are you doing that well yeah I guess I can make inventions but uh you know I'm a little bit slightly more one-dimensional than that I'm trying to understand what creates
creativity uh I'm doing that with uh uh the Bible I'm doing it with uh all the myths uh the Joseph Campbell myths as much as I can I I'm only one person I only have so much access uh I'm doing it with all the dumpsters I dove into for
the libraries uh and corporations that threw away their stuff I'm trying to dig digitalize that none of it almost none of it has ever been seen again uh a lot of corporate research I mean it's heartbreaking to see a pile this big of
internal corporate research company goes bankrupt or they move like for example Bell Laboratories when they moved out of um their main facility when they were sold um there were over over 5,000 dumpsters worth of paper that was thrown
away I dumpster dived maybe about 30 and I just watched the rest it was a heartbreaking experience because people dedicated their life to that pile of knowledge so where did this come from it came from dump it came from sitting in a
dumpster to be honest this will make a good clip it came from sitting in a dumpster and most these dumpsters are not disgusting so it's not as romantic as it sounds I'm not sitting next to a banana peel Sometimes some cigarette butts back in that era uh it's mostly
this paper and it's um Electronics I I have I have prototypes of things that are just astonishing uh from that era but it's this heartbreak it's this heartbreak of looking at this Corpus of somebody's life I read this this one
research report that this guy was working on for about 16 years at B Laboratories he was in a human factors division and he was one of the guys that was responsible for the design of the Touchstone key bad and we take all of this stuff for
granted and not to put anybody down but you go you can go through a four six years of University degree and never get a full feeling of what invention and what dedication to invention really looks like um today maybe we're programmed to get six figures hitting
the ground running and then reaching our goals from that Epoch that's not where this guy came from uh I don't even think he had a University degree to be frank about it I think he he garnered that later on in Psychology but I think he
was an engineer that was trying to bridge psychology and uh psychological research human factors research and his engineering background what what is the what is the satisfying movement of a key right that was that was about 7 800
pages of research that span over about four or five years of his journey and you read this and these are lab notes switches Springs uh resistance forces uh whether using uh certain Plastics or Metals uh he was a big proponent of using uh using Metals but that got
overridden by Western Electric apparently there was a note in there but the metals that he was using uh new forms of alumin that manufacturing he said that the the satisfaction he was very much into tactile feedback and that
became quite expensive so the original Touchstone keypad that he was working on would have had a slight click when it reached maximum extension very similar to the IBM PC uh ATX uh keyboard very satisfying click that probably annoys the heck out of
people today but I kind of like that's why I like typewriters if I'm gonna go wild on typing something it's a typewriter probably by Red olivetti because it's just like just want to type um but that that tactile feedback and you just like look at it and you say
that was that guy's summer on that and when it got tossed away disappeared it's gone now does a corporation care nah the moment that that the moment it got tossed in a dumpster public domain right I so they obviously don't care now
would they like the burn like a lot of companies now they shred and burn things because they don't want you know people like me dumpster diving uh they don't always they're not always successful a lot of it's corporate secrets well
they're going out of business well let's not give anybody any ideas right um but that's human knowledge and so I could say the um the gestation of this concept kind of con merged in my mind late 70s early 80s it was AI was on my mind expert systems primarily in my
Commodore you know commodor 64 was my first expert systems uh I couldn't do it on my uh Sinclair and I didn't have an apple yet but those first expert systems gave me a taste of that and then this the Heartbreak of seeing the some total of of a human life
just be deleted into a dumpster I think those two things just stayed in my mind and created the crazy person you see in front of you right now is like now we can do it you know back then I couldn't you know I was frustrating like oh what
do I do with this stuff a lot of it unfortunately I couldn't always afford to keep the uh the facilities storage facilities I have them all around the place uh country um this some storage facilities I threw garbage into made
sure they were as weather protected as possible tried to negotiate with the owner let them know what I'm doing sometimes they have mercy and say hey for free until I call you up where's your number or hey if you miss it we're going to oxen it off you know sometimes
they didn't always you know decades didn't always have the time to maintain these facilities so I lost some and that breaks my heart but um we're doing that right now Jim um when we go most of the pictures we have are going to get deleted um and this is a big
surprise to uh most people who are on Smartphones at some point you're um your ancestors aren't going to Care to store that in the cloud and nor are they going to pay for it it's going to disappear we may be the generation of Amnesia if we
don't really watch out that's another possibility with this another reason why I like holographic Crystal memory I'd like to preserve your pictures I'd like to preserve your video I'd like to be able to have it so that it can be a pile
of crystals that somebody can hold in their hand that will pretty much be decodable into the future I I believe that because it's got 35 40,000 halflife involved in it I would believe and I again this is a prayer and a hope too
because I can't guarantee it I would believe that the future will see value in this media format that we have I know that they won't have a see value for Punch Cards I know they won't have value in tapes they definitely won't have
value in CDs because they're decaying DVDs and CDs have a Decay uh 25 years most of them going to be gone unless they're and it's not about temperature it's just the chemical process that was used is it's not archival uh oh yeah your SSD drive um and USB drive
sorry uh GNA be gone uh mag pulse definitely going to be gone uh Crystal memory can uh because it's holographic it's not perfect uh even if it was smashed to a certain degree we'll get some memory out of it uh because it doesn't use check summon the same way
it's nothing new again this is 80s and 90s technology uh it just there's no will to build it and you know I sit down with VC's in a Silicon Valley and they're like uh how are you going to compete what your go to market with
Cloud I go it's going to be significantly more expensive than Cloud yes oh you're gonna save people's wisdom yeah yeah I'm Gonna Save wisdom I can give this story and they'll shake their head and say I want it for me Brian show
me how to make my own wisdom keeper I have VCS I have more VCS who I've built wisdom Keepers for than ever wants to make this public I don't know why I know maybe people listening can help me with this I have limited capabilities I know my limits I
really can't get out of my Forest to fully understand it I think it's the most valuable thing that we can create and um it will be with you for life that's an incredible product and there's a lot of things you can sell to it there's a lot of things that will make
it even more valuable as technology increases you know it's not always going to be this to record your stuff on it'll be something else uh and it's not always going to be the same AI that's going to be accessing it you might take the
weights and biases from the model that you create from your original initial wisdom but you're going to bring that up to new technology as it comes fact the technolog is changing every couple of days with local models and local
platforms I don't you know it's like it's a moving Target that's going to be this way the AI can be explosion is going to exist probably for the next five to six years at this pace and it's it's it's scheduled to get much worse meaning the a rate of acceleration is
going to continue to take off but um anyway I don't know how much time we have left I don't know if you ever want to go into regulations and some of the negative sides of how they're trying to take AI uh out of the equation but I I can go a little bit
more if you want badly I have uh I can't believe it it's almost 4 we started at 1:30 I I have another engagement coming up I could talk to you literally all day long Brian I'm so you you inspire me uh and and and so hopefully we'll be able to put
another conversation up or all the things we weren't able to get to but we we did get to that wonderful inspiration for giving a hundred of these voice recorders away we're going to do that um I'm going to talk to the team about getting these into Elder Care
Facilities uh and actually filming it so that people can get excited about it that they watch it and say oh I should do that with my grandmother I should I should do that with my children and and I'm going to take up your suggestion as
well on on giving these to children as well I think that that's a great a great idea listen Brian uh you you amaze and Astound me and Delight me uh you you are a modern day Robert Anton Wilson who I love and and have read all of his things
and I just could listen to you forever I I love your your the way you think and and uh God bless uh before we go uh remember we we asked the question on this podcast uh we're going to make you the emperor of the world for a day you
can't kill anyone you can't put anyone in a re-education camp but we are going to hand you a magical microphone that is going to allow you to say two things into it that will incept all eight billion people or eight and a half billion people on the planet whenever
their next morning is when they wake up the two things that you're going to speak into that magic microphone they're going to wake up and think I've just had the most marvelous idea and they're going to act on it what two things are
you going to incept you are loved and you're never going to be alone in the most positive way you never have been alone and never will be alone and you're loved beautiful wonderful uh listen this has been great I can uh hardly wait to compare notes on
how we're going to give these uh voice recorders by the way what what voice recorder do you recommend what the what's the brand name I I have a few this one happens to be Sony uh I use the Sony one because it is a little easier
to charge there's no wires um so it just makes life easier they don't have to have another wire but I will give you a list of ones that I've recommended and um there's the Sony is a little more expensive it's not top of the line uh
there's um there much more expensive ones um typically you can get a card in there with medium storage to have about 40 about 40,000 hours if you want typically easy 18,000 hours so you're you're gonna definitely not fill it up
uh the cheapest ones are like 30 bucks this one's probably about 60 bucks and and that's it and I I'll send you a list great uh this one's easy got good menus it's clear so elderly maybe the bigger menus Perfect all right Brian I can
hardly wait thank you so much this has been so much fun and uh and live long and prosper my friend thank you so much Jim it's such an honor to be here and thank you for putting up with my my rantings here really app I'm honored to have you Brian cheers