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Worry belongs to tomorrow.
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Regret belongs to yesterday.
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Happiness is here and now.
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I learned during the war how to think.
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I learned to quantify the worst thing and quite often the worst thing is not so bad.
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author and host The number one health and wellness podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty Bob, I want to dive straight in to your journey and to really dive into your work that you're doing today.
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And I think I was really blown away to hear about your time as a Marine.
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And and I'd like to start there.
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Well, you know, when I enlisted in the Marine Corps, I did so mostly because I had two friends of mine ask me to join them.
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They were We were in our senior year of high school and they were going to visit with the Marine Corps recruiter and asked me if I'd go along with them and I did.
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You know, as we spent time with the Marine Corps recruiter, he eventually had us in the palm of his hands.
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I mean, this was during the the height of the Vietnam War in 1968. I listed one month.
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And uh walking through a village at night, I was doing the point team and uh the point man uh he uh uh stepped over a tripwire, missed it, and I hit it and that thing blew and I got uh shrapnel both my legs and my left elbow and I was matter of fact that I left on a stretcher.
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So, uh you know, the the thoughts that that I took back from that is uh I think I learned to think one day at a time.
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And I looked to quantify the worst thing that could possibly happen.
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That's got me through a number of businesses.
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I've I've built three businesses now and I'm working on the third all from scratch.
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And uh you know, when you do a startup, a startup, you have a lot of good days and a lot of bad days and uh sometimes, you know, the the days are euphoric and the bad days look like uh Armageddon.
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Uh so, you know, how you think really matters.
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And I learned during the war how to think.
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I learned to quantify the worst thing and quite often the worst thing when you sit down and you quantify, it's not so bad.
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But if you you know, if you look at the worst thing, it's this big dark room full of uh bad things that could happen, then it looks like far worse than it actually is and and then it becomes debilitating.
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Yeah, I mean, that's such a powerful reflection hearing that from you based on the experiences that you went through.
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Often we hear that idea, but sitting with you here today, listening to it in person, I can feel just how how real that idea is for you.
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I love what you said about facing one day at a time.
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I think a lot of our anxiety, a lot of our pain, a lot of our stress is based on what could happen in 12 months. Or exactly, yeah.
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Or what happened 12 months ago. Yeah.
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And what you're saying is well, actually, when you take one day at a time, that feels manageable and solvable even in such extreme situations.
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Well, you know, one day at a time is something you can do something about, right?
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Because it's there, you know, to be worried about a year from now.
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There's not much you can do until it's a year from now.
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And then it becomes one day at a time. Yeah.
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I often thought that uh worry belongs to tomorrow, regret belongs to yesterday, happiness is here and now. Mhm. That's so powerful. Wow.
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And then when you came back and you come back and you're experiencing depression, you're experiencing, of course, all the stress, the trauma that comes from living in that way for a month.
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I mean, how did your parents react to that before we get on to how you reacted to it?
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I mean, I I what how did your parents feel?
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I grew up in a in a different kind of house.
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Um I grew up in a in a in a uh blue-collar neighborhood in East Baltimore.
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And mom and dad were both compulsive gamblers.
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And they weren't very good at it.
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Now, I I wouldn't trade my mom and dad for any two on the planet. I love them to pieces.
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Uh but they didn't pay a lot of attention to me.
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And I wasn't actually home that much, so they never noticed.
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They never noticed, and a lot of it which a lot of veterans I just kept to myself.
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You know, my my symptoms were And as I was home, they got worse and they got worse and they got worse.
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And when I say that, I mean over 49 years.
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This is the symptoms with me was I d- I didn't want to go places.
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I didn't want to be with groups, you know?
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No matter who the group was, I never felt like I belonged.
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Because I'd be there and I'd have this This is this picture of the stuff that we did.
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I mean, and it just never leaves you.
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And of course, nobody else is dealing with that kind of stuff.
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So, you definitely are different, right?
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So so that's the you know, one of the things.
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A quick temper is is is another thing.
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People would describe me as being one of the most intense people they've ever met.
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Now, the the crying when I got into that, it was always by myself. Nobody'd be around.
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But there was good things, too.
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And the the good things were when I went to college, I when I came back, I worked as a laborer in a steel mill up at Bethlehem Steel.
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And I did that for a year, and then the University of Baltimore had a special deal for veterans where uh my high school grades didn't matter, thank goodness.
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I didn't have to take the entrance exams, right?
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And I could go on the GI Bill, which I did.
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I went, studied accounting.
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Literally, I mean, as fate would have it, it was the first major in the book. What is this?
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They said, you good with math?
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I said, yeah, good as anything.
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You you interested in business? Yeah.
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You should try accounting. And I did.
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And I wound up graduating with a bachelor of science in accountancy, magna laude. Wow, congratulations.
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I had never done that without the Marine Corps. Never ever ever.
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Took the CPA exam, passed it the first time, got a job where I would travel.
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I mean, my life is full of just coincidences.
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You know, where I I was working for a commercial credit leasing corp.
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And this is back in 1975.
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They sent me to Redwood City to schedule the assets of this leasing company they want to buy. I finish.
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I I have 12 hours until the flight.
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I wind up on Stanford campus at the bookstore because I always like to like to read and so forth.
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And I buy a book on programming in the basic language.
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And I read enough of that during the layover and on the flight wrote my first programs and then got good at it.
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Bought an and and the company that I worked for had a dumb terminal that happened to run the basic computer language. Wow.
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And then I I taught myself Pascal and then C and then C++ and I started my first business which was Parsus Technology.
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And I I wrote all the code for that.
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And when I when I was working there, I I worked uh 40 hours No, 60 hours 60 hours at a time.
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I come to work Monday morning, work through Tuesday morning, work through Wednesday morning, and then about 8:00 at night I'd start to hallucinate after about 60 hours.
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I'd hear stuff that wasn't there, maybe see something move that I know didn't, and I'd go back, go to sleep, come back, you know, after 8 hours and a shower and a little actually a little workout, do it again.
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And that's how that company got off the ground.
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I put $40,000 into that company and I sold it to Intuit for 64 million.
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That was my first business. Wow. Yeah.
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You know, most people like just reintegrating into society, like just kind of surviving seems to be a natural challenge because of the extreme events that people go through.
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How did you navigate that when you were talking about some of the challenges you had when you came back?
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Like how did you even just start finding your way again because it can be so disassociating, it can be so disconnected.
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Well, you know, using using that term disassociating disassociating, there was a time where I'd seen a psychiatrist for a good while and she said told me one of the things that that has helped me get through the war and also helped me in business, she says, you have a remarkable ability to to disassociate.
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And where I developed that, I don't know.
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One of the the blessings that I have is I don't worry about anything at all. I just don't worry.
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And that has been one of the things that to me is is help bring out the joy in my life, you know, what joy there was.
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I mean, that's beautiful to hear.
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That's what an incredible gift to have to not worry. That's very special.
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Uh when you started learning and teaching yourself these coding languages and you started building this company, what was your level of business experience at the time or technology experience at the time?
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And how did you even figure out what you wanted to build?
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I think there's so many people today I just I literally was just at uh the tech university in Monterrey, Mexico.
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50% of the people from that university go on to become entrepreneurs.
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And so, it's a really uh phenomenal institution.
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But one of the biggest questions I saw that young people have is, "Jay, how do I know if I'm doing the right thing?
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Or I don't know what I'm building?
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Or what should I focus on?"
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I feel like now there's so much choice that people feel paralyzed by the amount of options they have.
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I had a degree in accountancy.
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So, I understood the record keeping a business. Right. All right.
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I started a little business which was a uh more of a bookkeeping business than anything where I'd work with these small businesses. Some Some were taverns. One was a flower shop.
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Uh one of my favorites was a pest control Fels Pest Control.
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The guy's name was Fat Willie.
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I learned a lot from him.
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Uh he'd keep track the way he would keep track of things and and and I you know, when it got to the point where over you know, over you know, a few years, I could you know, start doing the records of a business and I could tell you if they'd succeed or not.
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And anyhow, using those little things that I learned there, I you know, that's what I did when I launched my business.
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And then plus I learned, you know, I learned like for example, I read during the Civil War, right?
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During the Civil War in the Union, there was a General McClellan who really trained and organized the uh Union Army.
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But he could not move them into battle.
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Just couldn't do it, right?
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And then uh so So, Lincoln fired him and put Grant there.
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And Grant didn't care how they were organized. The enemy's over there. Go there, right?
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That's That's That's what he did.
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And actually, the the right way is a mix of the two, right?
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So, I learned that from them. I learned from John D.
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Rockefeller that the guy who knows the most about his business, he kept exceptional records.
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They were all manual, but he knew everything about his business at a time when very few people did.
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The guy who knows the most about his business quite often is the guy that that wins because as you know, knowledge truly is power.
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And especially specific and pertinent knowledge.
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So, I mean, I learned from from people in history. Right?
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And and then beyond that, I just powered through. Mhm.
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Yeah, I love those examples.
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I think what I love about them is I often say to people that you can be mentored by people you've never met.
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When we study history, when we look at patterns, when we look at connections and start connecting the dots between events that have happened before us, you can actually gain a so much wisdom and so much insight even if you never asked Rockefeller the question yourself. Exactly.
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I mean, you know, and so many good Julius Caesar's another one.
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You know, what he was able to do in Gaul and how he was able to you know, lead his armies and and one time he was attacked by a vastly larger force and the battlements that he built was just brilliant. Right?
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Nobody showed him how to do that. He figured it out.
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So, I mean, we have that ability as long as you believe in yourself and you give yourself a chance.
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If there's someone right now who's listening who's thinking about starting a business, what would be the top three things you think they should think about if they're starting if they're thinking about starting something?
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Well, the first thing is they should do something that they love. That is fun.
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That is something that they're really interested in.
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And and the reason for that, my father used to tell me, he used to say, "Robert, when you love something, it tells you all its secrets." Mhm. And um That's beautiful.
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And basically, if you know, if you love what you're doing, it's going to um well, you're going to work harder.
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And that that all translates to success.
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Um and then uh let's see here, what would be the the second you you have to not be doing it for the money.
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If if you start a business and you're doing it just to turn a buck, I don't think you'll be successful.
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You've got to start it to be special.
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And the businesses that I started, in none of them, even GoDaddy, did I do it to to make money?
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I did it to make a difference.
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You know, when you you work to make a difference, you know, you do things that on the surface, from a business uh standpoint, it doesn't make sense.
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But when it comes to really doing something special and getting your idea across and taking care of your customers and so forth, that's that's what you need to do.
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And you will never do that if you're just doing it for a dollar.
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The third thing is there's uh there's two groups of people that you have to you you have to energize.
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The first group is your employees.
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And uh your employees, you know, they need to believe in what you're doing.
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And uh you need to structure it so they can believe in what you're doing, that that it's special.
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And again, if if you're doing it for money, it's they're going to have difficult time doing that.
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But if you you know, if you have a higher purpose, right?
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People always do want to aspire to a higher purpose, I believe.
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So, what happens is when you do that with them, it creates enthusiasm.
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And what do we know about enthusiasm? It's contagious.
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And those are the employees then fire up the customers, and then the customers fire up each other.
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So, it'd be those three things.
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Yeah, those are great answers.
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I love those three things.
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They're such great points.
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What was something that you were passionate about with GoDaddy?
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Like, when you said that, I fully agree with you that we should never start business to make money.
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There has to be a greater goal with it.
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What was that goal with GoDaddy when it started out?
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Like, the part we don't see.
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Well, when I started GoDaddy, I had it had been after I sold Parsons Technology, which was the name of my first business, and I signed a non-compete with uh Intuit.
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Not that I couldn't compete with them.
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I couldn't work for money. Yeah. Right? For a few years.
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And and uh they they held back a few a few million dollars.
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And when it was up, I just wanted to be back in action again.
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But, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
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This was back when the internet was just getting going, like '97.
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So, I named this business Jomax Technologies. I had like $36 million. I had gotten divorced.
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I mean, I I don't blame her.
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PTSD, so lucky she kept me around that long.
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So, I wanted to do something on the internet.
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So, what I did was I thought I would hire some pretty sharp people, and we would start trying things on the internet.
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And when we And when we did, you know, if it worked, we would continue, and if it didn't, we'd move on.
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And uh so, we named it Jomax Technologies after a dirt road that I drove by on the way to work.
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I mean, it didn't matter.
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I mean, we didn't do anything.
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So, our employees would go to Chamber of Commerce meetings, and people would ask them, "What are you doing?"
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They'd go, "Well, we don't know."
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You know, they said, "I've never had a a business tell me that."
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And then, eventually, as time went on, we decided to to start uh doing websites for people.
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And these are way early really fundamental websites.
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And we noticed that the websites business would would generate cash, but it couldn't scale because, you know, it was just your efforts there that you were you were tied to.
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I have a rule that if you got the right business, you can make money while you're sleeping.
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Your business can be successful while you're sleeping.
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So, we then wrote software that would build a website for people.
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They could do it theirself.
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We had so many requirements.
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And then eventually in uh in 99 uh or 99 and 2000, we became a domain name registrar, renamed the company GoDaddy, uh just as an and uh I I did that at first as a joke, but it stuck.
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And um and never did we dream that we'd make our our our bread on domain names. Yeah.
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And then there's there's a further story going back.
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Okay, I would keep track of how much money I had.
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And and and then as and tie that to how successful the business is doing.
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Now, that room you remember that were the days of cash burn, right?
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And so, I would start it and and when I first started, I said, "I'm not going to worry about this business until I get down to 30 million." And then 25. And then 20, 20.
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And then 18, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6.
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Uh you know, we get down to $6 million.
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And this is about in never raised.
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It was all your own money you put into it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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It was always only my own money.
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I I've never really borrowed much and from the first business, none. Wow. And GoDaddy, none. And no partners. Oh, incredible. Wow. Yeah.
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So, I get down to $6 million.
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And one of the things I learned is from I read about General Grant, he kept his own counsel. I kept my own counsel.
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So, I decided to shut GoDaddy down while I still had some some money.
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And the reason I had to is the dot-com boom was so loud that you couldn't buy advertising.
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I mean, people were paying $100 for a a you know, a customer.
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And the customer might generate two bucks.
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Well, you're going to burn up a lot of cash that way.
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And I don't care how big your truck is.
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You're you're not going to you know, you're not going to be able to make wages. That's what I did. So, I go to Hawaii.
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And I I went there to first pay my bills, pay my employees, and sell the assets.
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Figured out how I'm going to do that.
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And then so, I'm there by myself for a week.
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And I as I started thinking about I don't want to shut it down. I just had this feeling.
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I just didn't want to shut it down.
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The epiphany for me happened with this guy is parking cars and he comes up to me and he goes, "Hey, don't Mr. Parsons."
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This guy is a little older than me, throwing his keys up in the air, happy as a lark, right?
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I'm thinking, what's wrong with this picture?
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This guy has probably got nothing.
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He's parking cars for a living.
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Look how happy and free he is.
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I got $6 million and I'm miserable. Right?
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And so, I decided then that I would go back and not shut the company down.
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And I just would ride it out.
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And if the company sunk, I'd go down with the ship. Wow.
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So, that was probably in February, March.
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And later that later then the dot-com crash happened.
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And the dot-com crash, GoDaddy was born out of that because I was one of the few guys that was paying my bills.
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and all these companies just went away.
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I mean, I would we would have checks returned every week from different companies that just weren't there anymore. Right?
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And so so we would take in the you know, we'd go ahead and I went from not being able to buy advertising at any price to having people standing in line to give it to me.
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I had more friends than I thought I had, and then all of a sudden things turned around for us, and that October, we became profitable for the very first time, and never missed a month since. Wow. That's unbelievable.
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I mean, it sounds like you've been guided so much by your intuition as well as data.
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Like you talked about the numbers, you talked about knowing your business, you talked about knowing your numbers, but it sounds like you're also guided intuitively.
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Would you agree with that? Was that Is that true?
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Is that fair or not really?
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You know, you sometimes you hear that saying better lucky than good.
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And things just just happen, and you know, you'd like to believe they happen for a reason.
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I believe the universe is guiding you. Mhm.
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Um and I believe there's there's an intelligence to it, you know, however you define that intelligence, whether it's, you know, a particular form of God or or just the just just the way of the universe.
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But I believe it's there. Yeah. That's incredible.
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What a What an unbelievable story.
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I mean, as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking, you know, you have this really positive mindset, you have this really incredible ability to find the good even in challenging times.
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What's been one of the biggest failures in your life or you know, something that's gone wrong that maybe in business or or in another field that you learned a lot from or you took a lot of insight from.
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I would say one of the the regrets I have is, you know, when I came back and I I got married and I had kids is I missed their childhood cuz I was working working so hard.
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You know, back then I had PTSD so bad I had a flash temper.
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So, it was probably some ways you know, the hard thing is it was a good thing that I wasn't around.
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But I I have a great relationship with all three of them now.
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I love them dearly and I look forward to treasure our time together. That's incredible.
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Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
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I can It's interesting to hear about your experience that you weren't there, but you're saying it was actually good I wasn't there because I had PTSD and I was dealing with that and I've I've heard in your journey you talk about how psychedelics were like a huge part of your coming home. 100% yeah.
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And could you could you walk us through how you got introduced to that and how you were open to that?
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In 2018, I read Michael Pollan's book How to Change Your Mind.
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I I went through it like a bag of peanuts and I and and I just told my wife uh Renee who is the love of my life.
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I never did psychedelics before in my life.
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Never did them anything like that.
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But I said to her if this can do it for me I I mean, I I want to try them.
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And I mean, I I got to the point Jay where somebody could come up to me and say like I'm at the golf course and say, "You were in Vietnam, weren't you?" I start crying.
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Yeah, I mean, it just it just it gets worse, you know?
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So, she had me hooked up in 2 weeks with two individuals that again would see me in Hawaii and on the first day I did ayahuasca and it's it's guided, you know, you I mean, a lot of talk and the therapy that does the healing.
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Psychedelics make it possible because it make you receptive and it make you willing to change.
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So, on the first day it was ayahuasca.
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On the second day it was uh magic mushrooms, uh uh uh uh psilocybin.
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And and you know, a little interesting aside, when the guide made the he made a teapot and he said and he says, "I made this teapot holds three cups and I made them strong, so you'll only need one."
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I drank all three cups and I ate the tea bags. I understand. Oh, man, I was sailing.
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And then you know, then a lot and then on the on the third day I took a break.
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And on the fourth day, it was LSD.
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And afterwards I was a different guy.
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I was totally a different guy.
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I the people that worked with me were like, "What happened to him? He's so nice.
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He doesn't have a temper.
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He's not that intense, scary dude anymore."
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You know, he uh uh my son said told his wife, he said, "Man, I'm worried my dad's going to die soon." And she goes, "Why?"
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And he goes, "Well, I think he found out he's going to die soon because he keeps calling and he's so nice and so forth."
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But I mean and it was that type of thing and of course Renee, my wife, noticed it instantly.
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And the best way I can describe it is after being treated with psychedelics, it had been 49 years since the war I finally came home. That's unbelievable.
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Do you feel Do you feel like you went back to being who you were before the war?
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Exactly, you know, enriched by everything I learned since.
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And you know, I I still have the memories of the war.
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There's times when you know, when I when I talk about it, I choke up and so forth.
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But I'm not debilitated by it anymore.
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But it's still very much there. Of course. of course. Yeah.
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It It sounds like It sounds like that you've kept the the parts that have made you who you are and left the parts that defined who it forced you to be. Yeah. Does that feel right? Yeah, for sure.
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To be honest, just sitting with you today, like you have such a joyful spirit.
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You You have such a like positive outlook on life. You're fun to be around.
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Like Well, that's what I'm experiencing.
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That's how I experienced you at PhD when I was there a couple of years ago.
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And for me to know, it feels like this is who you are.
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This is who you always were.
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But naturally, the challenges just clouded over and the experiences clouded over that. Yeah. Yeah.
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The The windows have been opened.
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Yeah, it's it's unbelievable.
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And is that a practice that you have to keep up?
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Do you go back to Hawaii or to the centers to continue that practice or no, it was once and it's kind of I've I've went through the process twice. Right.
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I've went through the process once myself.
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And then once with two of the guys I served with.
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And um they both came home. Wow. They both came home. That's unbelievable.
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That must be beautiful for you to see that for other people there. Oh, 100%. Yeah.
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Now, one of the things that I spend time and and money and help out as best I can is um to get psychedelics uh made legal for therapeutic use.
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Uh we're very close with MDMA.
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Thank God to uh Rick Doblin and uh MAPS.
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And you know, the rest I I don't I think it's not too far behind.
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I tell you, when we do it's going to be a renaissance.
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And uh we deserve that as a people.
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And our veterans deserve it.
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Every veteran should be treated with it when they come back.
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Because the Veterans Administration says 30% of the combat veterans have PTSD.
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I'd be willing to say 100% do, but 30% are really good at pushing it down. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah, I know.
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I mean, and and it's it's not surprising.
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I mean, like you said, like no one else can relate to what that experience is like.
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No one else can understand it.
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And I mean, that's that's a lot to carry for the human mind Oh, oh, oh. Absolutely, for sure.
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Uh when those those two were treated and so maybe you should have seen the tears. I mean, the tears.
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I mean, and it's like, oh.
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They were carrying some They were you know, they were They were there much longer than I was, but uh you know, they carry a lot of crosses. Yeah.
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What What are some of the uh you know, from all your experiences in life, you've lived so many different lives, it seems, as well.
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What are some of the mindsets or approaches you think, lessons that you think people should carry with them?
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What are What are some of the mistakes people make, or what are some of the shifts in our mindset we could make to live happier and healthier lives?
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You need to believe in yourself.
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Definitely, you need to believe in yourself, because uh you know, while there's many books, there's no manual. Mhm.
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You know, what we talked about, looking too far into the future, day at a time, and uh and also, when you're doing stuff, the best you can, have fun. Have fun.
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You know, we're more productive of when we have fun. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, a lot of people today have a lot of self-doubt.
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When you said believe in yourself, when I'm traveling and speaking and coaching people and meeting people, I notice self-doubt to be just such a big challenge.
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When you say believe in yourself, and I think so many people even if they act confident and they act secure, inside there's such a low self-esteem situation that we have in the country right now and in the world right now.
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Like if someone has self-doubt or they they're feeling like they don't have potential they don't believe in themself.
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What would you say to them?
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I would say there's a couple things they need to do that uh usually they have self-doubt for a reason.
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Usually they were not encouraged, they were discouraged as they were raised, I would think.
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And uh that that being the case, I would I would say this uh this uh therapy with psychedelics when it's available would be perfect because it would free them from a lot of those shackles.
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Um and and there's there's something that works just as good and it is legal.
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It's called an SGB block. Uh do you know about it? No, I don't. Please do.
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Okay, what an SGB block is is uh S S and G is stands for stellate ganglion.
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And then B stands for block.
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And and and what it is is PTSD and all that stuff is caused from the uh uh the amygdala in the front of the mind. Okay?
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And the amygdala manages uh fight or flight and emotions.
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Well, what happens is as we go through all these unpleasant events and so forth, it gets added to.
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And and the individual stays in a close to a fight or flight type situation, which is what PTSD is.
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And and it's debilitating, but the problem is with the human mind, the mind hides these flaws from the person which it resides. They don't know it.
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They feel like they're just perfect except they have self-doubt.
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Or or they have anxiety or they're on edge or that sort of thing.
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It's the amygdala, all right?
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And but so the amygdala communicates with the rest of the body through the stellate ganglion nerves in the neck.
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And when there's a fight or flight uh response necessary, or be it a real or emotional, it releases adrenaline and epinephrine. It speeds the heart up. It dilates the lungs.
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It tightens the arteries and extremities to move blood to the core.
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All those things to get us to survive that have been developed over millennia, right?
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It does It does all that.
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Well, what what is happening is the people that are suffering from this, they're in that state very close, and any trigger just pushes them right into it, and they have no control over it.
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They have no physical control over it.
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Even though they say, you hear people say, "I don't know what's wrong with me." Right? Okay.
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This is what the SGB block does is using a It's a medical doctor using ultrasound, takes about 5 minutes.
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They take and shoot the big brother of lidocaine in the neck right next to the stellate ganglion nerves.
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It numbs them, and when it does, the amygdala goes offline. It just shuts down.
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And then the individual get a little droopy eye, talk like a sailor, right? And that sort of thing.
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And then when it the the numbing agent wears off, and uh the eye returns to normal, and the voice normal, the amygdala reconnects, and it reboots.
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It resets, and it goes back to the way the individual should be, and the difference is profound. All right?
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Now, this is done all over the country.
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It's uh there's a You can find a website called Stella Centers, which will tell you about it.
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I'm not involved in it at all.
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I just know about it, and I and I help people get it done.
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It People It changes their lives.
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I've helped I've helped NFL players do it. I've helped veterans.
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I've helped, you know, people that are little kids that are just having trouble in school and I mean stuff like that is amazing.
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And there's only one downside and the downside is when it's not permanent.
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In many cases, it'll it'll be 6 months or a year or 2 years. But here's what you do.
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When you start sliding back, get it done again.
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I've had it done four times.
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I have probably helped 150 people get it done.
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Never had one negative result and everybody is just And they're all veterans, too? Or or just anyone? Anyone.
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Yeah, and they just Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, you know?
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Uh it is uh it is it is just amazing.
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Bob, it's it's wonderful to hear your spirit of you know, healing yourself, wanting to help heal others.
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I can see how much joy you get in helping other people and seeing them break through their challenges and what's holding them back.
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We end every episode here with what's called the final five.
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And these five questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay.
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Bob, Bob, since these are your final five, uh question number one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? Do what you love. Great answer.
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Uh second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? My worst advice?
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Oh my god, well, this horse can't lose.
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Question number three, uh what's something you used to value but you don't value anymore?
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You know, I'd say to a degree, money. Mm.
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Question number four, what's something you're trying to learn right now or what's something that you're working on right now that you're excited about?
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Uh well, I'm I'm trying to learn what I can do to get uh psychedelics legal.
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In a In a medical capacity, in a healing capacity. Yeah. Yeah.
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Uh fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?
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This sounds trite, but it's and I don't know how you'd make it a law, but I'd just say, you know, if you love your neighbor.
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Yeah, that would be beautiful. Yeah, wouldn't it?
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Yeah, it would make the world a much better place.
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We wouldn't have to have so many people who have to go to war and come back with PTSD and have to deal with the repercussions of that. So For sure. Yeah.
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Bob, uh it has been such a joy, such a pleasure to spend this time with you today.
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Honestly, I I meant everything I said.
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Your Your spirit, your energy, you know, the way you communicate, just just your smile, it's truly just uh it's infectious.
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It's very infectious being around you.
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And I can't begin to imagine the journey you've had to go on to rediscover yourself, to refind yourself, to to allow yourself to be yourself from before, and it's it's unbelievable to to experience it.
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So, thank you so much for this honor and for this opportunity to sit with you and have this conversation.
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Well, I got to tell you, it's been absolutely my pleasure. Oh, yeah. So, thank you.
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No, you're very kind, Bob.
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And for everyone who's been listening or watching, make sure that you share the insights that Bob gave, things that are going to stay with you, uh messages that you're going to pass on to a friend.
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I hope that you'll pass this episode on to others as well.
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Make sure you check out everything that Bob's working on as well. Bob, congratulations.
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I know tonight you have a party to celebrate uh your new partnership with uh PXG and Nick Jonas as well.
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I I hope that goes extremely extremely well.
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Uh and for everyone who's been watching, I I you come back and listen to more episodes of on purpose dedicated to helping you be happier, healthier, and more healed. Thank you so much.
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If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr.
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Daniel Amen on how to change your life by changing your brain.