it came from that we had that we only had that i think technically it goes sup billy good to see you you too wow what a smasher love it i love it i'm so happy that it's seeing the light of day oh me too you know because i i just feel like this is another interstellar like experience this is like another planet um that you've gone on this one on every
level like the track slaps but you're just laying it out there like just the truth just like everything you need to know is here check it out listen or don't that's what it is paint the picture billy eilish paint the picture what was it like making this song like where did it even come from it came from that girl we had that we only had that i
think technically it goes uh yeah it does um phineas made that just that like we were just messing around he just made that and we were like oh and it just was that and just like and it was way slower and pitched down it was like really slow this like crazy and i just we would just listen to it and we would just like walk around the room like feeling it and it was such a feeler
like i oh my god i kept picturing visuals for it and like i kept picturing like legs and girls and like shapes and darkness and like this cool and i was just like we have to make something to this because this is a waste otherwise um and then we just we literally made that whole song in like two days or something like a day i don't know but
it was a it was like fun satisfying ass process it was very very fulfilling i can tell because vocally you cover the whole ground like you start in such a sort of off-the-cuff throwaway manna and then at the end you're reaching places of power i that that you know you don't often show which we know you have but you show this ridiculous restraint in terms of
how much you're willing to really let it go but at the end you're letting it go like it's you're putting it out there i feel absolutely i really wanted it to be uh uh like just random and not random but kind of um like unexpected almost um and that that like i don't even honestly it's so funny because i write with structure in my head about like verses and
pre-choruses and then chorus and then verse pre-chorus chorus bridge chorus end and that's kind of how i learned to write music and same with my brother and this song really i don't even know like what is what and that is cool to me that's what's so cool about it it's like take that put that there put that there do that there it almost feels like you're sampling your performance to
reach a different emotional space it's kind of crazy yeah and it's not in my comfort zone and that's fun to me and so you know that that like whatever you'd call it chorus you couldn't say me but you can't let me go and i do that like that it's so sick is some of my fa like that's my favorite thing ever i think that i don't know i love that part and it's
like i feel like i've never done it before yeah no whenever every time i hear it i get the same sensation which is kind of like this sort of this really uncomfortable kind of euphoria like i feel like i'm gonna move but it's like it's not like the usual sense of like here we go here's the drop it's like it's really it's kind of brilliantly awkward i love
it and you know i i also love the fact that you're um you just the whole way you put these songs out to me there's a thread that's flowing through it i don't know if it's conscious or subconscious and maybe i'm overthinking it duh but i feel like you're again you're you're regaining control in a weird way it's like my future therefore i am right lost cause your power nda it's
like huh i've been somewhere and i want to grab it back i would agree with that i'm like okay i'm ready i'm ready to come back like i'm i'm i'm there you know i was the break was cool and i'm back you know so i want to talk about the album because i'm not going to because i just a little bit i want to talk about how you and phineas approach
this one how you approach building sounds and moods and feelings around what you were going through and what you wanted to say because it's very clear to me that there's a sound that's that you've that you've built around your words this time in a very very purposeful way like sometimes it's going to be really restrained and the message is going to be right there
and sometimes it's going to be nda and it's going to take you somewhere very strange but each time it's kind of revolving around what you want to say right every time there was just so much uh reflection like there was so much self-reflection that i was doing that you know i was realizing things about my life that i had never even processed and realized that i had never processed
and same with things that i witnessed around me and you know saw happen and like just talking through it and getting it out of me and then you know making it sound good and then you know after the fact some songs we wrote like for instance like male fantasy which isn't out yet obviously but that song you know we wrote and we just it kind of wrote itself and
afterwards you know i would listen i'd be like oh my god like wow things feelings emotions like you don't even realize they're there until like you do but um yeah it was it's a crazy process this album i use therapy for that every wednesday straight after this conversation i'm straight into my intuition me too i love therapy everybody should go to therapy absolutely
yeah i wondered what your relationship was like with with therapy and the creative process because i imagined you probably did you've never talked to me about it i've never talked to you about it but i do it and i and i just wondered sort of like how you know it helps you clear the pathway for expression yeah it does it ah dude it like cleanses it it's
i have to every once a week too and i am so happy to because it's not like you know i i genuinely believe that everyone every human on earth should go to therapy whether you feel this or that about your life if you're happy or anything like you you anyone should go even if they think their life is just amazing and perfect and nothing's wrong
every single person should go and i i think it helps my creative process because it makes me not word vomit and it makes me not like have everything up here it makes me talk through things and then i think about them constantly like i talk through things in therapy that i don't even think about in my life and then over the week i'm like thinking about wow that thing
we talked about in therapy like i should write about that like that's really interesting and it's really helpful it like brings it out of you and it's really necessary i have moments with my therapist where i sit down and i'm and i'm like wow okay i got like i'm on the clock now i'm paying this dude i like this dude and it's cool and whatever but i have nothing to say to this guy
and then i'm like well just say the first thing that comes to mind and then at the end of it i'm just like wow we covered some ground isn't that funny i sometimes dude some days i'm like oh my god therapy what am i gonna talk i don't have anything to say like nothing's happened and you get on the call and i'm i immediately like really like i just spit out everything
that's happened and it's like you didn't even know that you were going through it it's crazy i'm excited you're back in the director's chair i can't wait to see the visual for nda can you sort of describe how it was and sort of i mean those images that you had when you were hearing the beat did you follow him through it's definitely one of the coolest videos i've ever made
in my life and i directed it was it was pretty crazy it's real too at this time of the of the album cycle last time the first time we met in france and subsequently you know as we got to know each other you were just like oh man i was having a terrible time and uh and and and and you know so so how is it this time like does it get any better or is it still
stuck it's much better i mean listen it's a lot of work also when you you know want to give your album a life and a big one and you know you want people to listen you got to do stuff to make that happen you got to do shoots and shoots and shoots and shoots and shoots hello and yeah yeah and all the things um and it it's you know it's been a pretty uh
punishing couple of weeks i gotta tell you i have cried probably 30 times like probably i've cried more than the last two weeks than i have in my whole life but it's okay because you know life moves on and things pass but it the whole process overall has been much better i feel so much more confident and happy in my life and my personal life and my brain
and my creative you know creativity and um but it's just promo is tough it's tough but it's worth so how important is the and i mean this is a genuine question right person to person how important is the concept of escape to keeping you present and actually keep you going it's vitally important i think that it's tough because does that make sense
that questions i ask that right you know what i mean when i say that it does it's really important and i wish that the public understood that more of having a private life is really really important and also you know a private life people go you know well it's not private because we figured it out it's like that's because you were invading my privacy i was private and that's really how i
feel in like all areas of my life and i respect people's privacy i respect the the public's privacy my fans privacy i want them to have their own lives and do their own thing and then we come together and we connect and it's that's how i feel about everyone i know yeah and it has purpose and it has meaning and it matters because you everyone there is invested in that
experience as opposed to being drawn into it i kind of figure that's what nda is about right it's really about you addressing these very specific situations that people now know about that have affected your sense of privacy and i want to know at the end when you say that i push it too far did i take it too far whether or not you're sort of asking
yourself that question you know what i love about that part is that even i who wrote it and phineas who wrote it that little ending like i have like eight different meanings for that and that's what i love about it i when i hear it each time i hear it i think of a different thing i think of a different perspe a different like i'm am i saying it's this
in this way am i saying it this way i i love that it makes me feel very fulfilled well it's always kind of a it normally applies that line that i go too far applies mainly when you're asking someone did i take a joke too far that i go too far and yet i what i loved at the end of it was it made me feel like you were asking yourself like did i did i go too
far that i let everybody in too far that i take it did i did i take on too much last time did i did i welcome all this in that's amazing that and it's absolutely true it's a question i ask all the time did i did i let did i let too many um you know eyes into my brain billy thanks for taking a few minutes to let me kind of dive into a few essential questions i had about the album and some
of the themes um like i said i i think this album is going to be in your lifespan and over the course of your creative life maybe the most important for various reasons you know i like yeah i do agree i feel that already um i feel so impacted by this project and i am beyond happy about that so i hope that yeah i can it can move on in that same realm you