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Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss Show.
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Where does my job always to deconstruct world-class performers of many, many different varieties, pulling out the lessons, strategies, habits, etc.
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that you can apply and test in your own life.
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My guest today is none other than the comedian's comedian, Bill Burr, @billburr on Twitter, b i l l b u r r. Please say hello.
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Many of you know him as a stand-up comedian, of course.
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His YouTube clips have followed me around the planet, as has his podcast.
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He is one of the funniest humans alive.
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I mean, he loses his audience sometimes on purpose, because making them laugh is not enough of a challenge, and then he'll reel them back in and get them back on his side.
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And he's been requested for this podcast for many years.
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Rolling Stone has called him, quote, "The undisputed heavyweight champ of rage-fueled humor." End quote.
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And when we finally got on the same stage to have a conversation and do this, he did not disappoint.
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So, in this very wide-ranging conversation, Bill and I go all over the place.
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We talk about how he found his way into stand-up comedy, uh why he enjoys going for an encore after he's been booed, how he started as a squeaky-clean comedian and then ended up where he is now, which is quite, quite different, how learning can serve as therapy, the importance of enjoying success, and much more.
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This interview comes from my TV show, Fearless, with fear less, less in parentheses, because the objective is to learn to fear less, not to be fearless, not possible, in which I interview world-class performers.
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That's probably my favorite combo word.
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On stage about how they've overcome doubt, conquered fear, and made their toughest decisions.
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You can watch the entire first episode with illusionist David Blaine for free at att.
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Highly recommend you check that out.
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We recorded about 3 hours of material on stage, and only 1 hour was used for TV.
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That means this episode is almost entirely new content that did not appear on TV.
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So, even if you saw that episode already, you're going to get a lot more patented Bill Burr.
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So, please enjoy this wide-ranging conversation with Mr. Bill Burr. Welcome to Fearless.
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I'm your host Tim Ferriss, and on this stage we'll be deconstructing world-class performers to uncover the specific tactics that they've used overcome doubt, tackle hard decisions, and ultimately succeed.
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So, imagine yourself all alone on stage in front of 14,000 people staring directly at you.
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For many of us, probably most of us, that'd be a complete nightmare, but for my guest tonight, it's just another day at the office.
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The man you're about to meet is one of the most prolific and respected comedians in the world.
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He's done five hour-long comedy specials, hosts one of the most popular podcast of all time, and is the co-creator and star of the animated series F is for Family.
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Please welcome to the stage Bill Burr. Hey, how are you? What's going on, Tim? How you doing, buddy? I'm good. I'm good.
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If you ever get booed, you got to come back if there's an encore, you got to go back.
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I think you got to go back.
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So, I waved and I remember there was this kid came running up cuz I trashed all of the teams cuz the Phillies hadn't won a World Series yet.
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They were like 2 years away from it at that point and I just remember this kid was like was was yelling at me.
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He was just going He was going He was going [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you.
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Giving me the finger yelling [ __ ] you and I was standing there.
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He was like 30 yards away. I just kept going. I kept going what? What?
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AND HE STARTED GOING [ __ ] YOU. [ __ ] YOU.
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I literally just He's like giving me the finger like I don't know where it is. I just kept going what?
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I literally got the kid He was like hopping mad.
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By the end he was He WAS JUMPING UP [ __ ] YOU. [ __ ] YOU.
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I WAS LIKE I I CAN'T I CAN'T LIKE I REMEMBER I WAS STANDING NEXT TO Opie and we were just laughing going like how dumb is this kid?
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So, Um but then I was I was mortified afterwards cuz I thought um you know, cuz I knew like a lot a lot of stuff was coming up on you know, people were having phones.
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They had cameras and I was just going you know, everyone's going to see me get booed.
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This is going to be embarrassing.
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I didn't know how it was going to play.
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I just thought um that people weren't going to understand it.
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Now, we first connected and started texting because we know Dave Elitch who's an amazing professional drummer. Yeah, and teacher. Yes, he And teacher. He's just incredible.
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He has a great t-shirt for you guys who want are looking for t-shirts to buy.
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It says uh What does it say? More slowly once again? Something like that. says slow down. Slow down.
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And I think it says repeat or do it again.
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Repeat or do it again on the back.
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And so, he just got sick of saying the same thing.
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So, he just point to one side of his shirt.
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How did you get into drumming? Why Why drumming?
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Uh how did I get into drumming?
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I guess everyone was into music, you know, where I grew up and everything and um I loved music and but I didn't start playing drums till I was almost like 20 years old.
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Like I I started really late.
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But and the reason for that was I was working in a warehouse and I came from a jock town.
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So, everybody played sports, you know, pond hockey and all that.
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So, I I did a lot of that stuff and like I liked music, but there's only a couple of kids that play guitar and I wasn't around it.
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Like I didn't think it was possible.
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I thought what I I was watching people doing on TV, I just didn't think you could do it.
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And then I started working this warehouse and there was kids my age and they were from uh a different town that was more like kids put together bands and stuff and they were coming in like the songs I like they could play it and I was like, "Wow, it's amazing."
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So, I started playing guitar and I just didn't have the patience for it and I think the thing about drumming was the sp- the sport background where it was like a real physical thing that that it kind of came in to play and I just started I just started playing and um I played for like 6 7 years.
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Um and during somewhere during that time I started playing uh I started doing stand-up and I moved to New York and you neighbors don't mind if you're strumming a guitar.
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You can't like play drums in a one-bedroom apartment without pissing everybody off.
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So, I kind of stopped for like 5 years before I got back into it.
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I grew up on Long Island.
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I feel like we have the We don't have a a tough accent. It's just a bad accent. Yeah.
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I think it was uh it's a lot like the show we do. Yeah.
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F is for family with where it was just like the parents just sent you outside and some days you had good days, some days you had bad days, sometimes you just ran into bigger kids and they would just beat the [ __ ] out of you for no reason.
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I just distinctly remember them putting in a pool one time and they would just they they were like, you know, whatever the hell it is when they're smoothing out the concrete and this older kid dared me to throw a rock into it.
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So, I I I wanted his approval and I just took this big rock and this guy was just smoothing it out and I just threw it This guy almost killed me. He almost killed me.
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So, that's back when you could almost kill a kid and it was it wasn't a problem.
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And there was no cell phone video.
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It was all your word against theirs.
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So, I think a lot of the reasons why I started doing stand-up was I just thought I Okay, I'm going to get on stage, show people that I'm a funny guy and people will stop [ __ ] with me.
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Like that was basically And then like then I was a And that was I remember thinking that everything's going to fall into place.
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I'll meet the girl of my dreams, I'll make my money, I'll get my whatever the hell I want, a house.
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And so I only worked on getting better as a comedian.
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And then by the time I got to my mid-30s, like being a comedian was like 600 miles down the road, and everything else was at the starting blocks, and like literally like social interactions, I kept messing up relationships.
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I mean, I was 36, I was still sleep sleeping on a futon.
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Um and what they called was a one-bedroom apartment, which was [ __ ] cuz I met the woman who lived upstairs, we had the exact same apartment, and hers was a studio.
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They just slammed a wall in a mine.
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And um Yeah, so I remember like those there was like a three-year period of like I was in a full-on depression, and I was so detached, I didn't even I wasn't even I wasn't even aware of it.
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When what what was the age, roughly, on that? Uh I don't know.
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It was like the early 2000s, whatever that may late '90s, early 2000s.
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It might have been a five, six year, I can't remember.
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I didn't worry about making it, I didn't worry about how am I going to make money, I didn't worry I just like I'm doing this.
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And when Billy got off stage, I mean, it was the end of the night, I was like going like, "Who do I call for open mics? Like how do I do this?"
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And he remember he wrote down Rita.
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And uh Rita Choice, who was uh she used to book it.
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And uh she was like back then like one of the big characters, like you used to always run into a comedy club.
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So I used to call in to do open mics.
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And uh I remember she used to Once she got to know me, and she thought I was kind of funny, I'd call up and be like, "Hey Hey Rita, it's uh Bill Burr.
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I'd like to do do an open mic."
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She goes, "No, no, no, no, no, Bill.
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You call me, and you say, 'Rita, this is open micer Bill Burr.'"
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Uh she was always breaking balls, so I would always laugh, and I would do it.
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And she was kind of like a test, like if you had like a sense of humor about yourself, and I gradually like worked my way in um to doing stand-up.
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You know, I remember one time I I did a show I've told this before, but I I did this show I was I was uh seeing this woman when I was in New York and and I remember she came over and I was making her dinner whatever and then I had a spot at the Comic Strip, which where I was living was right around the corner.
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So, I said I got to go run do a spot.
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And during the week, I mean, you know, she asked me what do what do those spots pay?
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And they would like the Comic Strip was hilarious.
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It was like $5, $8, seven.
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And you just basically just going up there trying out material.
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And I went up there and um I tried out new material and it worked and I was psyched and I came home and I finished like cooking the dinner or whatever.
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I think I was making I can't remember what I was making and uh I did this stupid dance in the kitchen and she was laughing and I was dancing cuz I had this new material and was excited.
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And then she got like this uh she got like this sad look on her face.
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And I was like, God, I dance that bad?
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Like what what's the matter, right? And she goes, "No."
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She goes, "I I just wish I had a job where I got paid $8 and I came home and danced in a kitchen." And I never forgot that. I was like, "Oh, yeah."
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I didn't even I didn't even think that cuz I got this weird thing about money where I I I want to have it so I'm not broke, but I don't give a [ __ ] about it.
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But I also don't want to have debt, so I don't overextend myself, but I don't uh I don't give a [ __ ] about it.
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Like um I will I will pay extra to not go through the process.
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Like I can't even Like I don't use like, you know, frequent flyer miles.
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Like my wife signed me up for them, but I don't use them ever cuz I don't want to go through the [ __ ] you know, logging in and all of a sudden I'm working for American Airlines.
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I'm like, I don't work for these [ __ ] people.
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Like I'll I'll buy my own ticket.
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I don't I don't want to do this.
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Yeah, I won't cancel [ __ ] Like I got like the gym memberships I've never canceled cuz I'm not cuz I'm not going through going on that stupid thing.
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And if you want to do this, press one.
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If you want to do that, press two. Like I got I don't know.
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Like my free time I I I cherish it and I'm not like going to [ __ ] I'm not I'm not going to be laying on my deathbed one time just thinking about how many hours I spent on the phone going person person operator person [ __ ] you like I don't want to do that so I would rather pay the I'd rather pay the extra charge yeah.
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So a little bit later I want to pull up the not caring about money examples that I have found most personally amusing which are actually from your podcast so we'll get to those. Okay.
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But uh at the time so if you can just place us when were you working in your dad's office?
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And maybe you could describe what your dad did.
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Early 90s to mid 90s I was working in uh um my we were going to a dental office and I had been laid off from the warehouse with the guy all cooked up right but my car was paid off thank god and I was living at home so I
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was kind of living like this little existence for like 3 months and my dad started working with this other guy went to practice with him and he he needed some you know I think he was just sick of watching me being around the house so
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nepotism kicked in and next thing you know I got a lab coat and I'm standing next to him to hand him all the [ __ ] as he's taking teeth out and and stuff and I had to get past the gross factor of that and then I learned how to pour up models and stuff
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and take x-rays and I was actually I was halfway decent at it but I knew that you know if I have a second I thought maybe you know I would do this but what was funny was I had to call my father Dr. Burr I couldn't call him
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Burr I couldn't call him dad in front of a patient cuz that would be weird like hey dad do you do YOU WANT DO YOU WANT THIS so I had to keep it professional and when I worked there it was around the time when I started doing stand-up and what sucked I was still living at home so he knew cuz at the end of the night he'd be like where you working tonight And I would have like a I'd have like a gig in Maine.
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Living in Massachusetts, and I would for free, and I would drive up there on maybe like five, 10 bucks gas money, and I would drive all the way up.
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My dad would have like 7:00 patients and [ __ ] Like he worked like a lunatic, like from 7:00 to 7:00.
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He would side book root canals like on molars, which is three you know, nerve involvements.
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We'd be We'd like numb up a guy, and then we go in the other room and like And he didn't give a [ __ ] too.
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Like one time some homeless guy came in and he was like I finally got a lunch, cuz you'd never get a lunch with him.
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This guy came in, you know, he was you know, substance abuse, and he was all, you know, and all these other guys I I noticed would just give him medicine and they would leave.
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My dad would be like, "Yeah, just get him in there and blah blah blah." And I was like pissed. And I'd be like, "Dr.
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Brian, what the [ __ ] Why can't we just get this guy, you know, just And he just goes, "Look."
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He goes, "I can't go home tonight knowing there's some guy in pain, and I didn't do anything."
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Did you get material for for your comedy from that experience? Oh, yeah, big time.
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I read that you had dental comedy early, and I I don't know what dental comedy is. Oh, yeah. No, no, I had all of it. I had all of it.
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My dad used to like He used to set me up, cuz he knew that I swear to god if I had like a like a late show, then he would go extra fast. He'd just go extra. Give me this. Give me that.
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Christ, Bill, you're out to lunch.
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He'd would start giving me [ __ ] in front of the patient.
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I used to tell him like like, "Dad, you can't do that type of stuff."
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And like he he wasn't like that, but I got a lot of it out of like patients.
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Like I remember this guy came in uh I used to work totally squeaky clean.
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Totally clean, cuz I didn't want to offend anybody, cuz I didn't want to get heckled, cuz I was still this really shy person, right?
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So, I remember this guy came in one time, and like his teeth were all rotten out.
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And I just remember he said something like like, "Doc, you know, I don't understand what the problem is.
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You know, I I brush my teeth almost every day, right?" That's what he said.
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So, my punchline to that was like, "Oh, yeah?
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Well, do you wipe your ass almost every time you take a shit?"
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So, for a while, I started closing on that joke, and I would work totally squeaky clean, going up there looking like Ron Howard, and everybody's like, "Oh, look at this wholesome guy."
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And then out of nowhere, I would just end with, "Yeah, do you wipe your ass almost every time you take a shit?"
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And then be like, "GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY."
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AND THEN THEY'D BE LIKE LIKE, "DUDE, WHAT'S going on?"
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I had no idea what I was doing.
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I actually was a prop back for a second where I had one prop, like that's for whatever reason, you're not allowed to have props in comedy. In acting, it's fine. I have no idea, right?
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So, we had this dental mask, like when you really just had some gnarly [ __ ] going on.
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They had these plastic things, it looked like a welder's shield, but it was all plastic.
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When just I'm I'll spare you the details, but stuff is flying at you.
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So, I used to bring that, and I would take it out after I'd do all the dental material, and be like, "Yeah, my job's so bad, like I have to wear this at work."
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And I would just put it on, and I had no joke.
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And I would put it on, and they'd sort of chuckle, and be like waiting for the joke.
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And then behind the mask, like almost like muffled, I'D BE LIKE, "GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY."
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AND I'D JUST TAKE IT AWAY, AND and I'd put it back in my little duffel bag, and I'd walk away.
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It was just I was horrible.
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How do you know when something is close, and when something is done?
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Like uh when you're working on a joke or a piece of writing, how do you know when something's done?
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Well, I think when I'm when I'm touring, none of the jokes are done until I start getting sick of them.
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Then I'm like, all right, I need to record these, and document these, because they're going to start becoming not funny. Mhm.
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Because they're starting to feel like a job to tell them.
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I'm sick of this joke, and oh my god, I don't want to do this joke, and this is one so long, and I might not think that anymore, and those things sometimes those things just drop away, and you you never record them or anything.
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So, I I'd say it's like that.
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When you bombed that first time, was that at Kelly's?
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That third That third gig.
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Jesus, you did your research. Uh I just try.
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hell did you find that one?
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I must have told that on another podcast. A good team helping me.
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Some magic elves in the back as well.
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The you got to cover that camera up on your flat screen. And on your laptop.
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I That's actually really good That's actually really really good advice. you.
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They try to see what you're watching and [ __ ] If you bang your wife So, I want to talk about last Tuesday night.
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Uh When you uh I imagine the drive back after that gig was very different from uh from the Mötley Crüe experience. So mortified.
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How did you What did you do to get yourself back on the horse for the ver- for the next gig?
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I mean, what did you say to yourself before you got on stage the next time?
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Cuz a lot of people like fall off, they don't get back on.
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Well, I fell off a lot of things and didn't get back on.
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But like I also always knew I I knew if I was good at something or if I wasn't.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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Like, as much as I love playing drums and everything, I went to the music store enough times and saw an 8-year-old get on a drum kit and I be I would like dude, like I would pay you to take lessons.
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Like, I just didn't have it. Like, it's a hobby.
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It's something I enjoy doing, but I would never subject anybody to it on a professional level.
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So, um This helps me a lot with my ADD.
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As I went down that road and I forgot the question.
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Uh the question was Which is fine, by the way.
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Uh The question was how did you get back on the horse? What did Oh.
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you say to yourself before getting back on stage?
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It never dawned on me not to do it again. Right.
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Had you already committed to the next gig?
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All the other social [ __ ] that mortified me, I just stayed away from it.
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And but that thing was like, I don't think I had another Maybe I I just was like, you knew you know what's going to happen.
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It's like you're riding a motorcycle.
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You know one of these days you're going to go down.
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You just hope you you're going to live.
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You talked about some dark periods earlier.
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I I I'm forgetting the exact timeline, but what precipitated that?
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I guess you said it was a couple of years.
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And for people who don't know, I almost offed myself uh during a year off from college.
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So, it's like I've had some some battles myself.
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we What What How are you going to do it? You know what?
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So, this is a good question.
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And I'll tell you why I'm not going to give an answer because it was a really good plan.
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It was a plan that would minimize guilt or self-blaming on the part of my family.
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It was really well thought through.
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I had everything specked out.
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And so, for the risk Zipline in the woods into a into a soil.
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Mostly involved Yeah, involved some porcupines.
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Little bit of curare, yeah. It was very complex. Hard to replicate.
23:45
But, uh yeah, I wouldn't want people to copycat it if I if I put it out there, but I What What precipitated that period for you?
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Um Uh what does that mean? What came before that?
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Yeah, you What triggered it? Like, what led to it?
24:03
Sorry, using weatherman language. My bad. Uh I don't know why.
24:08
It just comes out of me sometimes.
24:08
Uh yeah, what led What led to it?
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Like, what triggered going into that funk?
24:14
Um I don't Half of you laughing didn't know what it meant either. Um Thank you.
24:27
I I just think I was it was I was just going full speed towards a wall that you I you know, cuz I thought I was normal, well-adjusted, and even though I knew I had like a crazy temper, I had this period, you know, where I just was really just like, you know, I would be what you needed me to be.
24:41
And like I I really had like I was friends with everybody. Right.
24:45
Which is not a real thing. Yeah.
24:49
Um if you're being who you are.
24:49
I would just I would adjust my [ __ ] so I wouldn't cause any friction so there wouldn't be, you know, any like, you know, the [ __ ] I dealt with coming up.
24:57
I had enough of people screaming and yelling.
25:00
I had enough of fighting and all that stuff.
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That I would just adjust my behavior so then we we would just be smooth.
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And um I just think using that as a game plan, eventually you're just going to you're so going to spin away from who the hell you are.
25:15
Um that I think that, you know, and also just focusing on staying up in other areas of my life, I think then that's when the the anger and all of that stuff started to come up.
25:26
And then I kind of went like this completely different person and I really started snapping about nothing um for a good 12 years.
25:33
And uh I think just somewhere in there somewhere in there I mean, maybe I would I was always like depressed, but I didn't realize it.
25:41
I think I just didn't realize it.
25:42
And somewhere along the line, you know, one of the umpteen thousand poor women that ever came across me, like one of them finally told me to go to therapy.
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And I went there thinking like, yeah, I'm fine.
25:55
I'm blah blah blah blah blah.
25:56
And then you start telling story.
25:56
And it was all this [ __ ] that I knew that happened, but was just hovering. Yeah.
26:01
It just sort of it's just over here and you're just just going around in life.
26:03
And then all of a sudden when you start talking about it, it's you say it out loud, it's like, oh, that's a real thing.
26:10
Oh, that really did happen to me.
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It's like and then you start thinking like, wow, I'm pretty [ __ ] up.
26:14
And uh Hey, and I'm not happy. Yeah. I'm really not happy.
26:17
Like and then you I I really started getting conscious of what my brain was telling me and what my if my brain was like a a friend, I would like be like, yeah, dude, we can't do this anymore.
26:29
You're just bumming me out, man.
26:29
I mean, Jesus Christ, do you ever see the light? The [ __ ] you know?
26:33
So then fortunately I wasn't like clinically Mhm.
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So I didn't need any any medicine.
26:40
All I needed was uh I just needed to I just became aware of it.
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And I'd be like, all right, well, there's that thought.
26:47
Do you want to have that thought or do you want to go to the gym?
26:50
I got back into playing drums, which was a great thing, and um And I also I just stopped giving a [ __ ] about making it.
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And in a way where I was just like, "You know what? [ __ ] forget this.
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I'm just going to do what I do."
27:00
Cuz I went through that whole period like, you know, I know how many of you guys are trying to make it out here.
27:03
You just go through that period where you just like, "Oh, they they they like guys with you know whatever blue button-down shirts."
27:09
And you're wearing the blue button-down shirts, and people who talk about this, they like in my time it it's gone from the tail end of the sport coat guy into the grunge guy into the alt scene, into the the whole like whatever that period was where guys in their 30s acted like they were 14, and they were awkward, and just, you know, the hoodie like that.
27:31
My wife called them uh uh what do you call them?
27:32
Uh not baby men or something. Man boys.
27:35
Man boys is what she called them.
27:37
And they go, "No, no, no, I'm just like awkward."
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Like there was this whole this default thing.
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It's like, "Oh great, now I have to hold up both ends of the conversation."
27:43
So, I really just those people I I really just I kind of got hostile with.
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I just like, "Well, when you get over with that, you know, and you can [ __ ] talk to me." Yeah. You you are awkward. This is weird.
27:55
And I also thought a lot of people No, but a lot of people that do that, it's also it's a passive-aggressive thing to come in and [ __ ] steal focus, and we all have to deal with how awkward you are, and make sure you're okay.
28:06
It's like, "Fuck you, dude. You're in your 30s. Figure this out."
28:10
I never forget one time I was in a green room in New York.
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I I was living in LA, and I met an old friend, and we were talking about the old days about when we were I remember this guy remember that night when this happened, we were having a great time.
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And there was younger comics, and they were listening, and then some people who actually were in the tail end of the stories.
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We having this great time.
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And then this this woman comes in, comedian, and she was like socially awkward and she didn't know how to like get into it.
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So, we're all Yeah, man, we're all laughing and everything.
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And she walked right into the middle of the circle.
28:38
I swear to god, she just walked in going like, "Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello."
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And she was like mocking saying hello. Yeah.
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But then totally stole all the focus and everyone was just like, "Oh, wow. You all right?"
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And and all the fun went out of the room.
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And then everyone was dealing with her.
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And then she left and I said to my friend, I go, "What the What the What the [ __ ] WAS THAT?"
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WHAT WHO THAT WAS LIKE THAT WAS SOME RUDE [ __ ] WE WERE HAVING A GREAT TIME AND LIKE IF YOU DON'T know how to say [ __ ] hello, learn how to do it.
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Don't come in and take the whole thing away and just ruin this thing.
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And that was the last time. That was the last time.
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I was like, "Fuck these awkward people."
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Like if you really If you really ARE LOOK, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE BULLY PEOPLE.
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I don't want to bully somebody if they really are socially awkward or something like that. I'll work with you.
29:30
But if you just embraced Right.
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I'm awkward, now the world has to deal with it. Right. That's your stick.
29:38
Yeah, go [ __ ] Yeah, go [ __ ] yourself.
29:41
So we're all We're all We also have a clip that we'll pull up in a minute from Method for Family that might I don't know.
29:47
Also, now that I I've seen all the episodes and now that you're telling me a lot of these stories, I can see where I think a lot of them came from.
29:52
There There's one clip that we'll pull up in a in a little bit.
29:55
I'm not going to do it just right now.
29:56
But uh what have you found to help get you out of a depressive period? You mentioned exercise.
30:05
I For instance, I mean I I I I found drummers in general to be very happy people.
30:08
I don't know if they're happy and then they end up drumming or if it's because of the physical aspect of just going animal on a drum kit. It's awesome. It's a great feeling. It's It's awesome.
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So I I drum I I I I also had a uh played the drums in college, uh but not very good at all.
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But that was my experience.
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It was It was like a It alleviated a lot of these darker Yeah, it's fun. thoughts. It's fun.
30:28
Is there anything else that you've found particularly helpful?
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Yeah, I just do [ __ ] I just get up and do something that day.
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And it's literally like I'll I will like, you know, I'll go on You I like to cook and stuff, so I'll go on YouTube and I'll see somebody uh you know, what I did recently um Who's the guy from Hell's Kitchen?
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I always uh uh Gordon Ramsay. Yeah, Gordon Ramsay.
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Dude, he's got this video like the sickest scrambled egg you're ever going to make in your life. It's insane.
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And um I just remember watching it and I was just like, "I'm going to [ __ ] make that thing."
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And uh cuz I have the free time.
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Like I as a comedian like I I can do it.
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I went on, I bought all the ingredients and all that type of stuff and uh that's that's what I do.
31:08
And I I or I'll learn something um um you know, but I I do have my hobbies like cooking and playing drums and a few other things that I do and it's just like I I try to have like that moment in the day um like learn something or go somewhere like and working out is a is a is a big thing. Is that's a big thing.
31:33
How did your goals change if they did from when you're trying to force-fit yourself?
31:37
Like what was the kind of pinnacle that you had in mind from making it to after?
31:43
Go For me coming up it was all about having an HBO special cuz HBO specials those were the best comics.
31:47
That's all the great guys that I saw coming up.
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You got on HBO's totally uncensored and they were the home for that.
31:54
And unfortunately when I got into it um you know, right in the like early '90s by the mid-'90s they just stopped doing it for like 10 years.
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And um so I don't I that was that's when I kind of felt rudderless cuz when HBO stopped doing their specials I didn't know what to do and then What What Comedy Central started doing the half hours they You you were um the fact that they had commercials they basically I think it's 8 minutes each hour.
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So they were automatically going to take 16 minutes out or 8 minutes out of a half hour.
32:28
And then they also they would they would beep out the curses with like the worst most archaic like beep beep.
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So it really and they wouldn't just fade it down and come back up?
32:37
So, um I remember watching specials and just thinking that was really distracting.
32:41
So, once again, I work clean.
32:43
So, if you watch my first half hour on Comedy Central, I work totally clean.
32:48
Um and I gave them I gave them the least amount of material that I could.
32:55
Because I just looked at it cuz those guys doing like, all right, here's a half you know, it's a half hour.
32:57
They're only going to use 22 minutes.
32:59
They would they they would do is they do 40.
33:03
So, then you had this guy who you didn't know, you didn't approve of, is now going to hack 40 minutes down to 22. What is he going to do? Exactly.
33:09
So, I was like immediately like, well, [ __ ] that.
33:14
Like, what's the least you you can do?
33:17
And they said least amount of time you can do is like 25 or 26. And I did exactly that.
33:20
So, the worst you could do is butcher four of it out, but the rest of it was going to look good.
33:25
So, I I was happy with it.
33:27
And um you know, it was just kind of doing stuff like that.
33:30
But that's it still wasn't what I wanted. Because it wasn't me.
33:34
That that half hour that I did.
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That was me like just kind of doing an extended Letterman spot where I was working totally clean.
33:39
And but it wasn't until HBO came back and did the half hours and I did those that uh I actually got to do It was the first time people got to see me you know, not in a club.
33:51
They were at home and they got to see that this is what I do.
33:55
And you know, and that was the same time I got on the Opie and Anthony show and they all kind of came out at the same time.
33:59
It was the first time I went to a club and it was sold out and people were there to see me, which was a whole other level of pressure.
34:08
It used to It used to be Yes.
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It um Up until then, it was people who come into the club cuz that's what they did.
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They had nothing else to do.
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Like, "Ah, let's go down to the comedy club."
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And you had to prove to them that you were funny.
34:22
And I used to remember thinking like, imagine they came to see me, how much easier this would be.
34:25
I didn't realize the other pressures like, "No, we saw that.
34:28
So, we're expecting at least that, if not better."
34:30
And then it's like, oh man.
34:32
Um so that took me like a good 3 months of the it was a new kind of nervousness to experience to get over of of people expecting like, yeah, we're here to see you. We like what you do. Don't ruin this.
34:48
What was the first special? Um the first half hour? Yeah.
34:53
Or not the Comedy Central, but the first time you could be yourself.
34:56
Oh, that was the HBO half hour that I did and um that was in 2005. 2005.
35:00
Still remember, April 2005, came out in September.
35:06
Is Is there anything since then and I mean this is an assumption on my part, which is dangerous, but did you feel like you had summited the mountain at that point?
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Did you feel like you'd arrived?
35:16
No, I felt that somewhere in like 2009, 2010.
35:18
I By then I'd done a couple of hours.
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I'd done my second hour for Netflix, which became the new HBO as far as just totally uncensored and um I remember I think I bought a house at that point. I bought a house, right?
35:31
And still, you know, people didn't really I had a niche following in that and I said to my wife, I was just like, I know you're not supposed to say this, but I made it.
35:40
Cuz there's this sickness in this business of like, no, man, if you think you made it and then you're going to relax and it's all going to go away.
35:47
So like, oh, so I'm never going to be happy?
35:49
It's like I I tell dick jokes and I just bought a house. I MADE IT. YEAH.
35:57
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO I DIDN'T WANT TO be that guy that that is doing well and it's like, oh, but what about the next thing?
36:05
Like that you those those that that sickness Just the gray the gray hound chasing the rab- the rabbit. Yeah. Yeah.
36:11
Performance or driven people can have this sickness of like, it's just, you know, it's just like you can't even enjoy.
36:16
It's like, what's the next thing?
36:18
I mean, I know guys that like they have like they they accomplish something and as they're right as they're getting right to the peak, this depression hits them cuz they're like, then what?
36:27
And then what am I going to do when then then this is over and then then I got nothing and blah blah blah.
36:32
It's like, hey, can you just [ __ ] have a beer up here?
36:35
We we we we did this, you know?
36:37
Can we enjoy this for a second?
36:38
Did you keep Did you continue doing therapy after those initial sessions that you mentioned?
36:44
I I did it for a few years and then one day it just dawned on me that I just kind of I'm just talking in circles in here and it's just like bad shit's going to always happen to me.
36:52
And what am I going to keep coming in here and moaning about it?
36:53
Like what what what point am I going to grow up and kind of not need not need this?
36:57
And I'm not trying to say that you're weak if you go there, but I I just hit this point where uh I was I was like, all right. You know?
37:04
I I all of that [ __ ] happened. You know? It happened, right?
37:12
And it definitely affected who I am.
37:14
But now I'm not going to be like lashing out at people and I'll be like, oh, I do this because of that.
37:20
A little a little bit of that, but I I what I did, you know, at some point it'd be like if somebody's teaching you how to fix a car, at some point you got to try to fix it yourself. Right. You know what I mean?
37:29
Can't keep going, and then then do I turn right here?
37:29
Or how do I do this, right?
37:31
So I it just became like that.
37:33
So now I I kind of um you know, I kind of self-therapy myself. It's cheaper.
37:41
See, you mentioned the uh I guess delusion maybe of always chasing the next thing and never being satisfied with where you are.
37:49
The other worry that I've heard a lot from friends of mine who are comedians is that if they do therapy or meditation or fill in the blank to tone down some of their tendencies that it will make them less funny. Yeah.
38:03
Is that something you you thought that that was true enough. It's not true.
38:07
What it does is it gives you an insight into you as a human and then you start you see people differently and it it actually allowed me to um write like or I think about characters and just notice [ __ ] with people that I never did before.
38:24
Like I got a I got a thing with somebody who Somebody Anybody who does this when they're talking like, "I was in blah blah blah."
38:29
They're full of [ __ ] NOW, NOT ONLY NOT ONLY ARE THEY FULL of [ __ ] they have a complete inability to accept responsibility for anything they've ever done.
38:42
I just recently told this to Jim Norton.
38:46
It was that publicist who backed over like those 12 people in like Long Island.
38:50
And then I remember she just she drove away and then she went to her house and when she got to her house like the cops showed up and the lawyer met them in the driveway and was like, um, "Yeah, she'll come down tomorrow and blah blah blah." And they left.
39:05
And I remember thinking like, "You can [ __ ] do that?"
39:07
I didn't know you could do that.
39:08
So, she was of course vilified and then the next day in the paper they had this picture of her and she was like talking to the media. She's like, "Uh, uh."
39:16
She had her hand like that.
39:18
It's like, "YOU [ __ ] BACKED OVER 11 PEOPLE."
39:21
I'LL GO WITH YOU THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN, that you can't see that, but you left. You [ __ ] left.
39:25
Yeah, get the [ __ ] out of here.
39:27
So, I've noticed that and I remember So, you start picking up on that.
39:32
I remember one time this comic did some passive-aggressive [ __ ] to him.
39:36
I called him out on it and he immediately went with the two hands to the chest.
39:39
I'm like, "That's the kind of guy that would back over 11 people and drive away."
39:45
So, I wouldn't have noticed that if I didn't go to therapy and I've also noticed like, um, you know, like I like Yeah, I talk to myself a lot about like going, you know, like getting into it with people and screaming and yelling and then I'll drive away and be like, "All right, Bill, how did that go?" You know?
40:01
And then try to see how they're how, you know, if I was wrong in it.
40:05
Like they were right, you know? That's somebody's mom. You just yelled at her.
40:08
Like what's wrong with you?
40:08
You like I really had like a like really a hair-trigger kind of thing.
40:12
So, it's something that, um, you know, working on my temper I really try to I've really been like especially lately because you know, I was making my wife like on pins and needles because it wasn't like I was flipping out over anything.
40:27
Like I [ __ ] hate these things.
40:29
Whatever this the second it came out I saw this the whatever this is this pad. Yeah, I bet.
40:33
I hate these I hate these things. I can't stand them.
40:37
They don't make my life easier. They're nightmare. They're intrusive. You know?
40:43
Am I Am I can't I can't stand them.
40:43
So I I flip out about them in like um I saw a thing recently this politically active comedian was sitting there talking it was trying to get people to vote in like this oddly like bullying way going like, you know, there's going to be an app out there that's going to say, you know, whether you voted or not.
41:01
And they're not going to know whether you voted and who you voted for but they're going to know that you voted so you can't basically [ __ ] people anymore.
41:08
I just was watching the whole time going and like that's a good thing that that level of private information because of this [ __ ] app.
41:13
You can say that you could say well I voted or not.
41:16
That's what I I that's what I I I hate about all of this [ __ ] Like I I have a theory like like somewhere around 94 95 we should we should have stopped making new [ __ ] Yeah. All right?
41:28
They could they cured enough diseases. Cars were fast enough.
41:32
You could you know, planes aren't any really faster than they were back then. It was good.
41:38
But all of this [ __ ] now that like, you know, Tape your cameras. Yeah. Tape your cameras. this stuff. Look at Billy Bush.
41:45
Billy Bush got fired for some [ __ ] that happened in 2005.
41:50
It's [ __ ] unbelievable.
41:50
And all he was doing is what an interviewer does.
41:53
He was keeping the interviewee happy. Right?
41:56
Like I I go I just grabbed the [ __ ] HE'S LIKE, YEAH, GRAB SOME [ __ ] WHATEVER. WE'RE DOING THIS.
42:01
AND FOR ALL YOU KNOW, AT THE end of the interview when Trump left he could have been like what was that what was that guy like?
42:07
I think I was out of his mind.
42:08
He's talking about grabbing [ __ ] HE'S [ __ ] CRAZY.
42:11
ANYWAYS, who do we got next? Matthew McConaughey. All right, all right.
42:14
What's going on, you know? He's just doing that.
42:16
For all you know, that's all he was doing and it was literally like that's what I hate about this [ __ ] It's like you literally take 2 seconds of somebody's [ __ ] life and you're like that's who you are.
42:25
That's you what That that tweet is who you are.
42:27
That's what's in your heart and all of this [ __ ] I I got friends of mine they've gotten like big shows, SNL and stuff like that.
42:32
They One person they they go back to 2010.
42:37
They went through 6 years of tweets to try and What what what what what was about this one, hey?
42:40
Yeah, it's like get the [ __ ] out of here, right?
42:46
Why did you start doing the podcast?
42:46
I guess uh I would Bobby Kelly once again, I was hanging his apartment when we we used to live near each other in New York.
42:54
And he was just like, "Dude, you got to do this.
42:55
This is called a podcast."
42:55
I had no idea what it was.
42:57
He goes, "You know, it's another way to connect with your fans."
42:59
And both me and him and all of my friends, we we weren't the guys they were picking. Yeah.
43:04
We just weren't the guys.
43:06
We weren't Whatever they were going for, they we just never were the guys.
43:09
And you know, and yet we they on every showcase they'd always put us on last because we would, you know, we we were really good at what we did, but there was always like the you know, whatever the hell it was they were looking for.
43:21
We were just We were the outcasts.
43:22
So, um so any way to connect with your fans, we had to do it.
43:27
And that was this new thing and I just like doing it.
43:29
And at first I just I used to call in used to before I had like all the mixer and all that, used to call in this this service.
43:35
So, I would just call up this phone number on my flip phone.
43:40
And I would just I'd be in airports and I would just be trashing people and telling stories and singing songs.
43:43
And at first I just did it for like 7 minutes, then it was 10 minutes, then it became 20, then a half hour.
43:48
And then I started going like, "Well, you know, yeah, you know, ask me some questions."
43:54
Or I had this thing underrated overrated for a while and YouTube video of the week and I just sort of built like a show around it and um and it just kind of became what it became.
44:03
Was it for shits and giggles or was there something No, I want I I wanted to connect with fans.
44:07
You know, it was a way to just just another thing to do.
44:11
And um but it was also uh I enjoyed it.
44:16
Because there's other ways to connect with fans that I don't enjoy.
44:17
Like all those um those things you guys when you upload your pictures.
44:23
I don't like those cuz it says, "Can we have access to to all your photos?"
44:27
And it's like, "No, you can have access to this photo, you [ __ ] weirdo." So, I don't do it.
44:33
You know, so I I just don't do any of those.
44:35
But then there's other stuff that like this is the same thing.
44:36
It's like the mall thing again.
44:38
Like does this fit into the wheelhouse of what I feel like I want to do and it was just something I like doing so I just started doing it.
44:45
So, between I should say during the period of your specials and then getting all the way to F is for Family, what were the what were the high points for you in that that entire span? the question.
44:57
I just heard that person groaning out there like, "Ah." Sorry. Sorry.
45:00
We're getting down to the end here, right?
45:03
that's a C-minus question. Bear with me.
45:05
No, I think it's I'm working on material.
45:06
I think his ass is hurting from sitting down.
45:12
So, uh This is the beauty.
45:15
We can we can go around again. Here we go.
45:19
So, from the from the point that you started doing your specials up to F is for Family, were there any particular inflection points or experiences that set you on the path that led you to where you are?
45:31
Um Any like formative experiences?
45:31
You know, I'm thinking of Chappelle's Show, I'm thinking of Breaking Bad.
45:34
you have you have so much that you've done.
45:35
I'm just wondering if any stand out is having Like influence my comedy or just got me to where I'm at? Both. Either. All right.
45:42
Well, getting me to where I'm at is like, you know, how long it took me to make it is like it's a bunch of people.
45:48
It's comics that I saw when I was in Boston, people who gave me shots.
45:55
Um getting in at the Comic Strip.
45:57
There was a woman, Amanda Shatz at MTV.
45:59
She um saw me in Boston and then she was like, "I want you to I want to see you in New York.
46:02
And I couldn't get in at the Comic Strip.
46:04
I remember Lucien going, "I already have enough white guys."
46:07
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
46:08
And I remember I remember all these white guys used to get mad about.
46:09
Just like reverse racism.
46:11
And they want to say all this type of [ __ ] And it's just like, dude, you know what he's saying.
46:16
There's like it's we're not even a dime a dozen.
46:18
There's like we're a dime for 60 of us.
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And if you're going to be another [ __ ] coming in here talking about your cul-de-sac life, he already has that.
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So, you know, stop being a baby about it, right?
46:30
Everything else is gravy for you as a white dude.
46:31
So, um So, I just basically was like I I remember thinking like, all right, this guy's I'm I'm I'm going to get in here.
46:39
I mean, I don't know how, but I'm going to get in here. And she saw me.
46:40
And so, she hooked me up with the showcase there. Somehow I did well.
46:44
I got passed there, which led me to get into New York.
46:46
And then, um through New York, just being there, I remember Dave Chappelle said some nice things to me one night.
46:54
Um saying that basically, uh you're going to get there, but the road that you're going's going to take longer.
46:58
But when you when you get there, you're going to have that staying thing.
47:01
And I held on to that for years.
47:05
And when I would be playing some [ __ ] I was just like, but Dave Chappelle said, you know.
47:10
Um But then it would just, you know, a lot of radio guys.
47:12
Um uh Jim Norton get me in with Opie and Anthony was huge.
47:15
Randy Baumann in Pittsburgh.
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Cuz like, I would go to these markets and um the guys that I really vibe with, like they would give me the option to be like, hey, rather than flying in Thursday morning for your Thursday through Sunday, if you want to fly in Wednesday whole week, um you know, I'll help you pack the place.
47:37
And guys like Randy Baumann in in Pittsburgh, I I would do that.
47:39
I would just come in, have no shows Tuesday, Wednesday, and I would just do 4 hours of radio in the morning, do the whole morning show, and then do morning on Thursday and Friday, just killing as hard as I could to, you know, get it like half full.
47:53
Maybe they don't have to pull the curtain.
47:54
And it was just all those types of things and um um I guess uh I don't know.
48:03
I've been doing this [ __ ] for a long time, so I'm trying to be a Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad was huge.
48:07
Because forever I wanted to play a guy like that. All right?
48:15
But back when I had my hair and stuff, I looked like Ron Howard, so it was like they I was always the friend. I was the nerd.
48:22
I just wasn't going to be that guy, and I just always wanted to play a guy like Kuby, and they gave me a shot.
48:30
And um and then through that, all of a sudden I got these other roles like you know, once you get it on tape and they can see that you can do it, they're like, "Oh, he can do this."
48:38
And then people will take a shot on you.
48:39
So, that that was a huge thing, and um I'd say Mike Binder with when I did Black or White, uh which became Black and White.
48:47
Black or Yeah, that was it What was it?
48:49
It was a Black and White was the original name of it, but somebody already owned the the the copyright of that, and they wouldn't sell it, so then we had to switch it to Black or White, and it was like this trial about who should have the uh the rights to watch this kid that was was uh racially mixed, was half white and half black.
49:08
So, Black and White made it seem inclusive, but we had to switch it to Black or White, so it kind of became like this make a decision kind of vibe to it.
49:16
But he let me I I got to play a lawyer in that and um had all these great dramatic scenes and all that, so now I kind of got a nice like acting thing going on where I get to do some drama stuff.
49:24
So, I get to do some comedy stuff, so it's been cool.
49:31
Speaking of Cosmo magazine, uh this uh next question is from Marcus Harbaugh, I think that's how you say it, also from Facebook.
49:38
My wife thinks he's hilarious, and she's generally not a fan of pro-male types of comedy.
49:44
How did he learn to so expertly deliver that kind of humor without alienating his female audience?
49:49
I alienated a lot of females. I do.
49:52
I I I alienate issue people.
49:52
I alienate politically correct people like they they they got like that thing where like, you know, this is the issue.
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You're only allowed to have this thought on this issue.
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I have zero sense of humor about this issue.
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These are all the proper words.
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These are all the If you use these bad If you use these words, this you're this.
50:10
If you use that They're very like it's hilarious cuz they're progressive left using the exact same like Fox News extreme right.
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They're the exact same [ __ ] lunatics.
50:21
I hate them I hate progressive left people and I generally speaking and and the Fox News to the right.
50:25
They're taking our country, those people.
50:28
Those I I can't even listen to them. They're idiots.
50:33
They're like both of them and THEY BOTH HAVE BOTH OF THEM LIKE LIKE THEIR HEART is in the right place.
50:40
They just They're not doing it They They're doing it in this very Stalin-esque kind of way of zero tolerance. Oh, yeah.
50:47
Um and it What's funny to me is the right always gets that.
50:51
The left just cannot see when they're doing it.
50:53
It's like you've become what the [ __ ] you're fighting and you're annoying. Yeah. You're annoying.
50:59
So, I mean, I think that explains, you know, a little bit of the Trump [ __ ] Like how that guy kind of came up with It's like you guys were ramming this [ __ ] down like What's This is It's so [ __ ] up.
51:10
If you just look at politics, like Obama was a response to 8 years of the Bush people ramming it down your throat and he was a response to 8 years of Clinton people ramming it down their throats and then 12 years before that you had Reagan and Bush.
51:22
Both sides just can't present their [ __ ] They got to be like, "FUCKING EAT IT! EAT IT!"
51:27
LIKE YOU KNOW, and it's All it does is it it causes resentment and the If you look, the pendulum just keeps swinging like further and further and people sound [ __ ] Right now, people sound crazy to me.
51:43
On either side that I I can't watch it.
51:46
It's like if anybody if anybody in the left gets in, it's like it's going to be socialism.
51:52
This is going to be like communist Russia.
51:54
And if anybody right gets in, it's like THIS IS LIKE GERMANY IN 1935.
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Every [ __ ] time just just go and just go and like this. So, I don't know.
52:05
Like I just try to just be like all right, I just let's settle down. Everybody [ __ ] relax. Get yourself a sandwich.
52:15
Some of these things could be true.
52:15
Some of them might not be true.
52:18
But like getting into this is is you're not going to be able to think clearly and be able to make the right move when you have to. I I I I guess. So, we'll we'll see.
52:27
Ned, do you deliberately at times try to lose the audience?
52:32
Like push them to the breaking point and like There is something that I I And then reel them back?
52:37
I mean, is that sort of a sport for you?
52:40
I used to do, that was from playing hell rooms and no one would listen.
52:42
So, what I would do is I I would make a statement that would make people be like, "Dude, what the fuck?"
52:47
And thinking that I'm I'm heading towards this thing, right?
52:52
Like I would make a statement that would make anything make you feel like I'm heading towards like uh supporting the clan or beating women or anything like that.
53:00
You just say that and that gets everybody to drop their fork to listen.
53:04
They're like, "Dude, what the [ __ ] is this?"
53:06
And then you just wind them back to the point that you wanted to make anyways.
53:09
And they're like, "Oh, all right.
53:11
Okay, that's kind of funny."
53:12
And then you just keep doing that.
53:15
And then eventually once I once I had the room Yeah.
53:18
once I had the room, then I could just do my show.
53:23
And I think a little bit of that that started to bleed into my style.
53:25
I don't I mean, I don't do that anymore on purpose.
53:29
But when I was coming up, I used to do that on purpose.
53:31
It was all these techniques.
53:33
You could also start talking quieter if people were talking louder.
53:36
People used to say that that never [ __ ] worked for me.
53:37
Then no just nobody heard me.
53:39
I'm just like, "Okay, nobody's listening to my jokes.
53:43
But, you know, yeah, a lot of that came from um you know, all the those crazy rooms I did.
53:49
And I'm very proud that I did all those and I didn't sidestep any of those.
53:52
Like, I pretty much did all of my did the uh the good rooms, the bad rooms, the white rooms, black rooms, gay clubs.
53:57
I did everything cuz I I really felt that I I I know why. I know why. Just I remember this.
54:05
I When I was a kid, not a kid, um I was like probably 18 years old and it was the summer of '86 and Rodney Dangerfield, like great Rodney Dangerfield, was on um he was on tour and he came to this place, Great Woods.
54:19
Now it's called the Tweeter Center.
54:21
And I remember he came and he he killed and he was hilarious and all that.
54:24
And I saw all these people there, blah blah blah blah blah.
54:27
And I didn't notice that they were all white cuz I was white.
54:28
So, I was just like, oh wow, we're all watching this guy, whatever.
54:30
And then like like a month later, I saw Eddie Murphy on the Raw tour.
54:35
He had the blue leather suit. I had lawn seats.
54:37
That's how famous this dude was.
54:39
I was sitting on the grass watching guy doing stand-up comedy.
54:42
He had like the Weather Girls opened up for him and everything.
54:45
And I remember that night looking around going, wait, this guy's making everybody laugh. This is the difference.
54:50
So, I remembered when um getting into comedy that I I didn't want to be that guy like being like a radio station.
54:58
Like, he makes white males 18 to 35, you know?
55:00
Like, I I wanted to be like, no, this guy is funny.
55:02
But But the only way to do that was to do all of those uh those different rooms.
55:07
And it didn't it didn't always go well.
55:12
Um like, black rooms are hilarious.
55:13
Like, they it's like they The what I learned about them is they're either got they're having fun, no matter they're either going to have fun with you or without you.
55:22
But either way, they're going to have a good time.
55:24
So, that was that was definitely um those were some of my favorite shows that I ever did.
55:32
There was a there was a legendary show at this now gone comedy club that's now like a [ __ ] wine bar which just kills me cuz I mean it was just the rawest sickest like in the village it was right as Giuliani was taking over so people were still selling drugs out in front of him.
55:49
It was just It was crazy.
55:49
And I used to see like, you know, all these guys like young Dave Chappelle, Jay Mohr, all these Red Johnny and the Round Guy, all these guys just they just murdering in there but Sunday night was was the uptown show cuz they wouldn't say, you know, the black-owned show, I guess.
56:04
So, they would say the uptown show and this guy um Talent and and Will Sylvince used to host that show and that for me that was the show.
56:14
Like to this day like that was that was the most fun show I ever did was when when you killed on that show, dude, it was like you walked out of that Why am I not famous yet?
56:25
Like that's how hard It was just everyone was on top of you.
56:28
It was the greatest ever.
56:28
But when you bombed it was just like Why did I ever think I was funny?
56:34
I should have opened a hardware store.
56:35
Like you would just leave like uh Did you Those are some rough nights though going back to the uh technically one bedroom that was really a studio and getting under the futon just laying there. Yeah.
56:49
A lot of grunt and groan in the next day in the shower like God, I hate myself, YOU KNOW.
56:56
WHAT PIECE OF advice would you give your 25-year-old self?
57:00
Oh, I hate that question. What do they always say?
57:02
If you could go back and tell yourself what you know now uh What did you dislike about your 25-year-old self?
57:09
If you prefer that question. Um What did I dislike?
57:17
No, I I definitely felt like a freak back then.
57:19
I definitely did not feel I never felt like I fit in anywhere until I went to a comedy club.
57:23
And just seeing all the comics and I was just like these these people are the same kind of crazy that I am. You know what I mean?
57:29
Like everybody's out of their mind but like they there was a specific way that they were nuts that like I just felt like I would just meet them like like I it's like I know this person but I don't know them like they it just felt like um in a weird way like you were going home. It was crazy.
57:47
But as far as like what I would tell myself um I would be afraid to [ __ ] it up cuz it ended up so well.
57:56
You know, it's like that Back to the School Back to the Future whatever the hell it's called.
57:59
Um I always mess up the name of movies.
58:03
Back to the Future where you change one thing and you know, see how your mom wants to [ __ ] you however that happened.
58:10
So Wasn't that one of the storylines? Yeah.
58:14
Calvin, look at me, Calvin.
58:16
good family movie where the mom wants to bang her son from the future.
58:19
OH, IT'S GREAT FOR THE KIDS. IT WAS WONDERFUL. OH, the '80s. How old are you now? 48.
58:29
What do you think your 60-year-old self would tell your current self in terms Buy some apartment buildings.
58:34
Buy some apartment buildings. Yes.
58:37
Cuz you're going to be I you don't I No, I'm I want to do stuff like that because I want to when I'm 70 I want to leave if I want to.
58:43
I probably won't because I love doing it so much but I don't want to be that guy in that mustard stained tuxedo suit just still you know, as the numbers start going down the back nine.
58:53
And I'm like, "I have things to say."
58:55
You know, it's just people going like, "Oh, I saw him in front of like three people. It was sad."
59:02
There was a There was a donut making sheet machine in the back.
59:05
Like I go back to those gigs.
59:06
So I would like to uh not go out and and you know, I'm doing real well. I'm making great money.
59:11
I would like to not go out and buy a bunch of dumb shiny [ __ ] I would like to buy [ __ ] like assets so I have money.
59:17
So my my next goal, the same way I did the thing where I never got sucked so far into this business where I had to apologize if I was even if I wasn't sorry.
59:27
I um I now want to get the money that I'm making this business to make money outside of the business. Mhm.
59:33
So, cuz eventually this business is done with you. Yeah.
59:36
It just is and you have to you got to deal with that [ __ ] So, like I I would just love to be to be honest with you, man, if I could just, you know, making a decent amount of money off of [ __ ] like that.
59:48
Yeah, I just always picture myself just sitting on the back porch, you know, with a dog not giving a [ __ ] smoking a cigar.
59:53
Like that's how I want to What kind of cigar? do stuff.
59:57
I I'll They don't mess them up with global warming.
1:00:00
If you can still make a great one, it definitely be a Cuban.
1:00:02
Um probably a uh robusto. The Cohibas I like. I like the Partagas.
1:00:09
I just smoked one recently.
1:00:09
I don't even know the name of it.
1:00:11
It was one of the sickest cigars I uh I've ever smoked, but it was like it was like a 2-hour smoke and I I absolutely love cigars, but like, you know, there is a thing amongst cigar smokers where like if someone comes nosing around, you know, if you break up if you bust out like a box of cigars at a party, all these [ __ ] phonies will come up.
1:00:29
Oh, you like you smoke cigars?
1:00:31
Oh, yeah, you smoke cigars.
1:00:32
And you'll learn this one time.
1:00:34
You'll give out your cigars to them.
1:00:36
And then what kills you is you'll look over like a half hour later and the thing's like halfway smoked and they already ash the thing out.
1:00:40
They just snub the thing out and I learned that.
1:00:44
So, I got to butt Bobby Kelly.
1:00:44
I shouldn't out him here.
1:00:47
I shouldn't have said his name. It's all right. We Fix in post. He has two humidors.
1:00:53
He's got the real [ __ ] And then he's got his [ __ ] So, somebody comes over and be like, so he just Yeah, you like cigars?
1:00:59
Oh, yeah, what kind what kind do you like?
1:01:00
And if they're just saying [ __ ] I got one for you.
1:01:01
I got one I wanted at a carnival. Here you go. OH, THIS IS GREAT. THIS IS DELICIOUS.
1:01:08
SO, but I I really like um smoking a cigar is is a sacred thing to me. Yeah.
1:01:12
Like if I have a great cigar, like sometimes if there's no place to smoke, I will not smoke it.
1:01:16
Like I'm not going to be this [ __ ] These [ __ ] a couple of my friends are animals.
1:01:21
They'll stand next to a dumpster like it's it's you know what I'm saying?
1:01:24
Cigarette smokers are animals.
1:01:24
They're like they're on the [ __ ] right?
1:01:25
So, they'll be in an alley, they don't care.
1:01:30
[ __ ] rat running by, they're out there smoking, catching pneumonia. They're animals.
1:01:36
Cigar smoking is a gentleman thing.
1:01:36
It's like it's a it's a really it's an adult thing.
1:01:41
And it's so it's just like I want to be with people that I love, telling stories, hanging out, and like the right the right everything.
1:01:48
And then and then and even if you're doing it by yourself, it's like you have to have I'm never doing this like well can I can I smoke it before blah blah blah?
1:01:54
It's like I would just want to have nothing and I just sit there in that great guy thing that my wife cannot understand is just being able to be a guy and just be not thinking about [ __ ] and just be sitting there and just enjoying yourself.
1:02:11
Uh next question is from Sharpie Sharp.
1:02:14
Uh I would like to see that birth certificate. This is from Facebook.
1:02:17
Uh what's the best heckle that's been thrown your way or most memorable?
1:02:23
There's too many of them, man. Um All right.
1:02:27
We'll we'll go around we'll go around the uh All right.
1:02:33
When I was black room, best one I ever got, I was bombing at this place used to be called Mixed Nuts, it's now called the Comedy Union.
1:02:41
And I was up there and dude, when I tell you 5 minutes of straight silence, dry mouth, nothing.
1:02:48
And it was the summertime when sound carries, right?
1:02:50
And I'm just going and going and it's nothing and nothing and then just in the middle of one of my jokes, I'm meandering in this long setup for something else that's going to bomb.
1:03:01
Big black lady in the back just out loud to nobody just sort of looked around and just went like I ain't laughed yet.
1:03:08
And the whole place exploded laughing.
1:03:14
And I didn't know how to deal with it.
1:03:15
I didn't know I had to address it.
1:03:17
I kept trying to do my material and then they were just laughing at me trying to do my it was [ __ ] humiliating.
1:03:26
Um And that's I don't know.
1:03:31
There's one uh I'll tell you the weirdest one I got.
1:03:35
Um I've told this one before.
1:03:35
One of the weirdest ones I got, I was at Dangerfield's uh doing the the midnight show and it was just one of those nights everybody was bombing and the place was packed and nobody was laughing.
1:03:48
I remember the guy in front of me like he was just bombing so bad and he was in on some show where he played a bartender.
1:03:56
And he had gotten beaten up.
1:03:56
He was like, "Oh, you guys see that movie?"
1:03:59
He's trying to get you guys see this movie blah blah blah blah.
1:04:00
He goes, "I yeah I played the bartender.
1:04:01
The you know, the the the star of the movie beat the you know, beat the [ __ ] out of me. You guys see that?"
1:04:06
And then some kid in the back just goes, "He should have killed you." So, I was like, "Oh."
1:04:12
And that guy walked past me, never even looked at me.
1:04:15
He just when he got off stage, he just had this flop sweat and just walked by me just going, "Wow." "Wow."
1:04:20
And then I went on stage immediately bombing.
1:04:23
And there was this group of kids in the corner, these white dudes and they were just like just ready for a fight.
1:04:29
They were just super [ __ ] hot.
1:04:30
They had that whole my dad used to beat the [ __ ] out of me vibe. Yeah.
1:04:34
And everything I had learned up to that point was like, "Bill, don't get into it with them."
1:04:38
I heard them talking and I was just don't say anything. Don't say anything.
1:04:41
And then finally I just it's this [ __ ] thing when you're on stage as a comic.
1:04:44
You think like this and this is like some sort of like a [ __ ] gun and bullets but it isn't.
1:04:50
It's just plastic [ __ ] and I just like I finally said I go, "Hey, you know what?
1:04:53
What's going on over there?
1:04:53
What do you what are you guys talking about?"
1:04:56
And blah blah blah I can't remember what he said and this guy just finally was just yelled out, You know, I had the He goes, "Anyth- He just yells out.
1:05:02
He goes, "Anything red and on stage is a faggot." Right?
1:05:08
And it was the most childish heckle I ever got.
1:05:11
This is back when like people didn't freak out about that word.
1:05:12
You guys are like, "Oh my god, what does that say about gay people?"
1:05:15
Like this was when straight people used it, it just meant you were an [ __ ] And um So, he said that I just remembered like I didn't know what to do.
1:05:23
It was just like it was so [ __ ] childish.
1:05:26
But I also knew he was going to like beat the [ __ ] out of me.
1:05:28
So, I just went like right back into my state my my act.
1:05:33
Like This is almost like a cooties joke. You know?
1:05:37
This right here, the reaction to that is why you can never leave the comedy clubs, by the way.
1:05:40
Like cuz that used to be a funny story, but now because of like that now gay people said what that word makes us feel like, now everybody even if you say it and you say that somebody else said it to you, it becomes this weird thing of like well, does he advocate what he said?
1:05:55
But but like it just becomes all of that and becomes like context and all of that [ __ ] So, Well, that's what he said.
1:06:06
So, stuff a few a handful more questions.
1:06:08
You mentioned helicopter parents. Helicopters. Helicopters, yes.
1:06:11
Let's talk about helicopters. All right.
1:06:13
How did you How and why did you get into helicopters?
1:06:16
God, you're just running the gamut of everything here. Uh Oh, yeah.
1:06:21
Helicopters, how did I get into that?
1:06:22
Paranoia of living in California. Okay. Living in the LA basin.
1:06:27
Enough conspiracy theory about nothing being behind the dollar.
1:06:31
Um robots coming and all that type of [ __ ] And this is place became really claustrophobic.
1:06:36
Well, I was just like, how the hell would I ever get out of here? Yeah.
1:06:39
When the [ __ ] hits the fan, how do you get out of here?
1:06:42
Like even when it's working well, it still takes 3 hours just to get out of here.
1:06:46
Forget about some Armageddon [ __ ] And I just thought, you know, up and out. That's the way to go.
1:06:51
Learn how to fly a helicopter.
1:06:54
And when the zombies come, you just start it up and you just fly out.
1:07:01
So, assuming your favorite By the way, that does not work.
1:07:02
If you ever see that in the movies where you just start the thing up and you you fly out like that.
1:07:07
I mean, you can do that, but you're going to [ __ ] it up.
1:07:10
Like you got to let the the band the they got like belts and stuff.
1:07:11
They got to let those things stretch.
1:07:13
You got to let the engine heat up and all that.
1:07:14
So, anytime you see Rambo and those guys just jumping in a Jumping in cold in the state of Camaro and you just I mean, if zombies were coming, I would definitely do that [ __ ] BUT I'D BE GOING SO, I'M PLANNING AWAY LIKE Please don't let THE BELT SNAP.
1:07:32
AND YOU JUST NOSE IT down into one of those [ __ ] Take one with you.
1:07:38
Just imagining the visual.
1:07:39
Uh just like a lawn mower just taking out zombies.
1:07:41
The uh So, do you have other preparations?
1:07:45
Now, this is spoken as someone so people think this is crazy.
1:07:50
Uh so, in San Francisco and then in New York got really into at one point went off the deep end with prepping stuff. Like got really into it.
1:07:57
Like going to canneries for LDS. You guys can look it up.
1:08:00
You can really go down the rabbit hole and some of you will spin out and get tied up in a straight jacket.
1:08:06
Uh but I and I was being kind of lectured at how unreasonable it was and how silly it was that I was getting water and gathering food and all this stuff just in case we had disaster took us off the grid for 7 days or more in SF, which happens fairly regularly.
1:08:20
And uh some editors were kind of making fun of me cuz I was writing at the time.
1:08:24
And then Hurricane Sandy hit New York and lo and behold, nobody was prepared, right?
1:08:28
So, do you have besides the helicopter, do you have other preparations? Nope. No.
1:08:32
And I and I don't And I I don't own a helicopter, either.
1:08:37
So, it's pretty [ __ ] useless.
1:08:41
No, what it was was I went down that rabbit hole and you got you got to get gold coins and you got to get this powdered food and all that type of stuff.
1:08:47
And then somewhere along the line, I was just like, do I really want to survive this?
1:08:52
Do I really want to see what's next?
1:08:52
Or do I want to be one of the people that dies?
1:08:56
Like it And I realized, no, I want to be one of the people that dies. JFK said it.
1:09:01
The the the the living will envy the dead. And it's true.
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I don't want to start over again. Some whole new society.
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I remember doing a bit doing a bit on that.
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Somebody just picking up a rake like, "THESE ARE THE NEW RULES."
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AND YOU'RE JUST all gathering around with your burlap shirt with the string tied around it. I know.
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Like I remember when the uh that that fat dude who's running North Korea, right? The boss's son.
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He was trying way too hard to show that he's a badass was saying he was going to he had missiles aimed at LA and everyone was panicking.
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I was like, "Perfect, man.
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I hope it's right at my house. Right at my house.
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And I hope I'm watching the UFC or football Sunday just sitting here da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da just vaporized."
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Who you don't want to be is the people up in Bakersfield.
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Just outside of it, but you still get the radiation with the boils and [ __ ] You're trying to Your teeth are falling out. [ __ ] that.
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TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO catch squirrels.
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I have no desire to do any of that.
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BILL BURR. THANK YOU. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Thank you for having me on, man. Thanks very much. time. Had a great time. Thank you. All right.
1:10:17
Hey guys, this is Tim again.
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Just a few more things before you take off.
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