bb you've been doing the work huh wow this album is a revelation and by that i mean a revelation to yourself and then us and not the other way around which is often the case often the music gets made reveals itself to us and then later on you go oh huh it meant something to me the artist but you got it the right way around you went through it making this huh yeah it definitely has to go through it
you know sometimes you go around things uh this this was definitely a uh i can't i can't even find the word like like i guess i had a revelation on this album and i it was i went through some dark times but i'm feeling so much it was very therapeutic for me yeah i can imagine and listening to it it's therapeutic for the listener as well because it it strikes a lot of chords that that make that that
really are very human um the idea of being comfortable within one's own identity and not within the manifestation even harder when you're trying to figure out who you are but you've also presented an image and allowed us sort of try to figure out who you are for me it's kind of been like this you know you know in life when you go through things and i kind of have this love-hate relationship with myself where
i'm constantly trying to like accept myself and who i am and the stuff that i go through and the battles that i have within myself and my mental health and like a like um accepting myself or thinking i'm good enough for things um and and um accepting my past and things that have happened to me that have affected the way that i view myself and the world around me and um you know i it's i think with this
album kind of like you know would break my heart myself for empty or sabotage i think those were records where i could finally like um heal a bit and accept like this is just who i am but not in a not like in a reflecting way not in like a victimizing way because i feel like i've done that in the past and now i feel like i've come to the point where i'm like this is just who i am
like that's what's so rewarding about it is that it is kind of a very strong record even though you're identifying a lot of areas in your life that you want to practice you know you want to figure out it's it's got a lot of strength in it like your voice sounds strong the music is powerful was that important to you that when you listen back to it as a body of work that it was there was power in this album
alone very dramatic i like dramatic sounds and like i love like good like i love like dramatic vocals and melodies and guitars and pianos and i think it happened naturally um it happened naturally uh for me it's more about the feeling and there's some things i'm just drawn to um i'm just drawn to way more than others and i like just big sounding things one of the first impressions i got from you was hearing
you on our very own radio station talking about lauren hill and it was one of my favorite moments at the time because you were so passionate you were such a fan you were so eloquent the way you talked about her and it was just so open it was brilliant and i know you that she just she she kind of is i think she from what i got from you she's a huge part of what has motivated you to want to write and express
yourself right i'm obsessed with her writing and her music and like she says and i don't know i just like loved how frank she was with her with her songs and like how she talked about like you know um like stacks and guys wanting things from girl like just she spoke about a real thing which i really loved about how people want to just use each other which i feel like a lot of women never
really talk about but she talked about everything in a very insightful way and then when she spoke about her son and and the industry telling her she couldn't have her son she just talked about things that i feel like a lot of people didn't really speak about and that that's what i really respect about her the same reason why i expect i respect elena's more set in her songwriting you know she's talking about
the movie theater it's so shocking at first and you're just like i remember being like in the 90s when i heard that on the radio and i was just like wait what just what just happened and it was such a huge moment and i i remember interviewing her around that time and she was so dialed in like her conversation was so engaging and smart and then someone told me later on you know she's younger than you and i
just flew i couldn't get my head around the fact i thought she was like five years older than me she was so smart and you know she's alanis is amazing lauren is amazing but these artists too if you put them both side by side made these incredible bodies of work and then in their own way sort of withdrew over time and kind of recaptured some essence in different ways with different challenges
we capture some essence of what it is to not be who we see at those pivotal moments something about it right just the power of those records i was angry for the longest time because i'm like i want another album from lauren hill i want another miseducation of lauren hill like why it's hard being a fan sometimes it can you become selfish i feel like she just said what she needed to say and artistry i feel like we put so much
pressure on artists of like having to constantly stay relevant but to me i i envy her and like but i'm inspired by her because she was able to put together one album that was so focused we just played benny fellow new zealander she's awesome why did you pick benny yeah i think i only put like one new artist on there i could put more if you want but um i love i just love her voice and i love
this song because i thought those things i know that's really dramatic but i've been literally obsessed with the song i played every day i played every photo shoot i probably like 10-15 times a day um i just like the fact that these are things that i've been thinking i've thought in my life at one point like i hope i don't die in my sleep i hope i don't die in this plane and i just like never really have heard
her song like that and the fact that she's able to i don't i think as an artist she's really talented her melody face um and it's so funny that she's talking about ways that she could die and she's scared but it sounds so the song sounds so lovely she's got a really cool a skew view like it's like she sees the same thing as everybody else she sees a little bit of skew left
or right so she can kind of get inside the subject in a different way and those kind of writers i love those kind of writers you know i love your writing you know you are one of the the best writers around right now and the stats prove it um you talked a little bit about getting yourself into a place where i guess your subconscious kicks in because the anxiety is is there to try to prevent you from actually doing your
job what does it feel like when you know a song is available to you and you may not have expected it but it's but you've gotta you've gotta heed the call like uh ultimate uh nirvana like the best high in the world like you know when you like when you have a couple i mean i don't know if you drink when you have a couple of glasses of wine or you're like or you're having some tequila and you
the best night of your life that you ever went out with your friends right before you got super drunk that like that like buzzed feeling of like ah right you know what song that i didn't put on the playlist that i wish i would have put on the playlist let's put it on right now just put it on right now what do you want ray of light by madonna oh yeah man that's an epic that record is unbelievable
because i i really love that song i've been in the studio where i try to use that as an inspiration but it's really hard because to me that song my favorite one of my favorite songs of all time as well the fact that it kind of has like that all guitar that guitar when it comes in and then when the experimental sounds and then like and then the drums are super experimental and then when she goes
sorry i get excited and then when she goes um [Music] um [Music] it's my favorite madonna song really that song is incredible like i think the artistry that the musicianship in that song is phenomenal like it's all of madonna that i've loved over the years here and there and doing it and everything that's coming together in this one moment it's like a little bit of like the angstyness with like the dance but then
the experiments will we love her for trying different things but i forgot to put that on my album but on the sorry on the playlist but like one of my favorite songs ever as well i had to add that in there i'm sorry because that the system of a down i know it's weird it's a different song a different artist but it kind of gives me that same feel when i listen to it you know there's one thing that sort of
there's some real bangers on this playlist and i mean that thai dollar sign spicy record post was like an underrated classic it's a modern classic i love that record damn i'm like what's going on right like i was like that should be bigger i just love those melodies who want to who want to go and also i'd all assign in in general though like i'll say this like i believe he just being in the studio with him and
being in the studio with a lot of big writers and a lot of artists like he truly wows me like i'm just like how where where does it come from like what are you connected to like what planet he is to me obviously respected in the industry but so underrated and i'm like who like who do i need to speak to because i'm like this is not you know like i know we respect him and he's incredible but i'm like
people don't really know how much he has written for other people what he has really done his songs his song writing his melodies i'm like yeah that song needs to blow up way bigger spicy i'm sorry it's incredible but don't you think that you and him have that in common to some degree and that you both are very successful and yet both of you sort of to your point earlier on feel like there's this unresolved recognition
but i don't know if ty i i think thai's okay i mean every time i speak to tai he's like seems to be living a great existence his girl and him are going wine tasting and he's like you want to come wine tasting with us i'm like oh they i'll let's all the wines tasting with tylenol and that's interesting let's do it there's a theme that has been flowing through this aside from quality music bb and as we come to
the end of this playlist um you know you finished with radiohead creep was there a particular order here of why you put things where they were i'll be honest i just i just was you know i was like they were like you got to pick your all-time favorites i was like all-time favorites like this is painful that one goes to the end for a reason because it's the on cartoon if you're lucky enough to hear them play it
which is rare these days but that song nobody actually i think summed up in the 90s and everyone put this crown on on nirvana on kirkebane right but i think tom york was really in in the deep in the 90s and this song creep is is the anthem for a total lack of self fulfillment so dark it's so depressing but i find a a comfort in songs like in these lyrics i wish i had a beautiful soul
it kind of comes from this place of like not loving yourself which i kind of relate to and i think i think i have i don't know with music you know i feel like a lot of people are you know in my squad like you know they love me and they don't judge me but a lot of times like even with my mother she's like why can't you just write happy songs just write happy like be like the other girls
you know that are in your group putting out music no but she just wants to she doesn't want to think that i'm like you know she's a child or she didn't do a good job it comes from that insecurity of that to me these songs are not dark and sad they're insightful and they're honest and that in my songwriting that's what i love and that's what i think when i try to make songs and put songs out and i do
all the time because i i'm run by fear a lot of times and overthinking like you said i always win for me and what i feel like my fans love is the records like i'm a mess where it's like i'm really being honest and there's a real and there's a i don't know i just find comfort in that and i find honesty and truth in that when i listen to creep i can feel the pain and um yeah that's where that's where i love and i
i live and i thrive as long as you can be honest when you're happy too that's what you don't want to do is become like beholden to this idea of what people expect from you and by being quote unquote honest it's like if you're in a good place you should feel free to write whatever you want it's so hard for me to write like uh i can write good play songs but they'll still be in minor keys you