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I've got a very serious question for you. How are you? I am doing super great. Thank >> to Los Angeles. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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>> Um, so much to talk about.
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I'm so excited to be able to have this conversation on the record. >> god, me too.
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Uh, what brings you to Los Angeles at this moment in time for the people that don't know why you're here, why have you chosen to come here right now?
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I mean, basically to see you. Get out of here.
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>> Which is a good reason to do it. >> Yeah. Reason to be here. >> it.
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Um, what's been going on? Tell us about your life.
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Tell us about creativity.
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Tell us about the last of 6 to 12 months of your life and we can begin there and then we can just follow the thread and go wherever you want. >> it started yet? We're going to we're on. Wow, really? >> We're on, yeah.
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>> Okay, so I was like, I think this is just a little chat. No, we're going. >> Let's do it. We're going.
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>> So, what am what what have what have I been doing for the last 6 months you say?
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>> Yeah, yeah, 6 to 12 months.
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I finally released a new song. >> Which we love.
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Thank you, which is called What You Want. It's um, how to start.
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It's a song I've made with Justice, the incredible French electronical electronic band.
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>> you gave away on the cover art as well in a very brilliant and and exciting way. >> Exactly. Thank you. Um, so the song is out.
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It's been maybe a month and it has been years since I haven't put anything mine out.
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So, I was super excited to finally share some new music and I've been working on that one for quite a long time.
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I would say about a year.
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So, this is a this is the beginning I would say of a new chapter of my music life. >> coin out.
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I mean, you've done you've achieved so much.
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I mean, it's probably been as unexpected to you as anybody else given the success that's happened, given the way you started in your life and probably what you would what you thought you were going to do versus what it's become.
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So, I'm not surprised if I could take a look at it from a distance and just observe why you would take some time to assess and figure out what this actually means to you.
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Is that why you've taken your time to just kind of pause and say, you know, who do I really want to be as a musician or artist or creative human being versus what I've become? Yeah, exactly.
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It's just always a little like when you're touring and you do a lot of stuff and you're always busy, it's incredible, it's a fast life, it's fun. >> Yeah.
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But it's never really the good time to make some new music, at least not for me. Yeah.
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And I just figured out that I needed time to know where I wanted to go musically.
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And for example, to find this I want to say like boldness to do a song with Justice.
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It It required a lot of time for me to feel like I could do it.
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I've always been a fan of Justice.
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I've always been a fan of the French touch.
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And I think time >> They've got a French hammer.
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I mean, there's French touch and then there's Justice, and it's more like a a French breeze block.
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>> Well, but to be honest, I never thought it would be possible.
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And I just went to see them on a show. And with your mom?
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Them with my mom, that's true.
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>> Because can we just establish for the entire world that's listening you have a pretty dialed-in mom and dad.
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I mean, you come from and brother, you come from a great background, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. With pleasure.
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Uh my mom asked me, she was like, "Justice is playing in Brussels. Can we go together?"
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And I was like, "Okay, let's go." >> Yeah.
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So we've been to see and with one of my best friend, which was fun cuz we literally grew up listening to Justice. >> Yeah, yeah.
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And after the show, I went to say hi.
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And then Xavier was asking a lot of questions about what I was doing.
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And then I was like, "Would you like to come to the studio?"
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And I don't know how I found the strength to do that. And they said, "Sure."
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And they came to the studio like 2 weeks after.
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>> You asked them just right there backstage like you want to roll, come on.
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The band that says no to everybody. I know.
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Which is maybe why I asked cuz I was like I have nothing to lose. Nothing to lose.
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Yeah, it's a long list, put my name on it. >> were like, "Sure."
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Wow, now you're on a very short list. I mean, I know, I know.
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I still I still can't believe it, to be honest.
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I'm I feel super happy and excited about that.
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So, when you decided to go to the studio and hang out with them, what what was the reality versus the the fantasy?
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The idea of asking that question, you thinking, "Gosh, you know, this could go anywhere."
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And then you get in there, just real talk, what was it like creating with the two guys?
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It was super fun because first, they're superhuman and and easy.
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And making music, ultimately, it's just about doing something super fun and something with passion.
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And if you don't have fun in the studio, it you just you can hear it.
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So, at first, it was like a very fun human experience.
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They came to the studio uh that I worked to.
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This this time was in Paris, and they just came by.
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And I was with my dog and Tristan, my guy who would like we'd make music with.
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And it was just uh the four of us, five of us with my dog, just uh hanging out and talking.
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And they listened to a lot of demos that I had.
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And then in the end, I was like, "I have this song.
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I'm going to send it to you.
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And I don't really know what to do with the production, and I'm a little stuck in here."
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And what was the format, can I ask, of the song at that moment before Justice got involved?
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>> It was uh pretty much the same chords.
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Uh the production was very like it was not the like the little triplets.
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It was more like Yeah, yeah, a little more four on the floor.
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>> had just a little arpeggiato that I loved the the texture of it.
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It was like very like like super filtered, like uh unfiltered.
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And I wanted something a little So, you gave them kind of breadcrumbs.
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You know, you were like, "This is unfinished, but this is the vibe."
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>> and I think they they heard what I was doing that time in the studio.
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And I think they were like, "Okay, she's she's down to go in a more like dirty path."
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And I think the lyrics also made them like smile.
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And they were like, "This is fun.
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It's kind of like cheeky."
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They loved their English and French uh blend together.
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And I think they they just, you know, came back like 2 months later with that song, and I just jumped.
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I was sitting in the car, and I was like, It's got such an amazing sense of like dystopian freedom, this song. >> I love that.
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I love the emergency and the drama in it.
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>> It's got emergency to it. >> Yeah, absolutely.
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Can I ask you, when it started to come together and you realized this was really special, how did it feel?
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How did it make you feel versus what you'd made before?
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If this song was by design supposed to open up a whole new world for you and to create a new pathway, new freedom, how did it feel when you realized you were achieving that? Well, I I have a video.
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I should show it to you later.
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It's literally when I listened to it cuz I had a feeling because I'm such a big fan of their music.
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I had a feeling it could be really good.
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So, I filmed myself, and I literally like jumped like out of excitement, and I'm usually like Again, like making music is a fun like process, but it's also stressful, and whenever you give something you've been working on to some somebody else >> Oh, it's a risk.
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>> It's a risk, and this time it was just like perfect in everything I I could ever I mean, I didn't even dare to dream about it.
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Um but it felt very exciting because I knew that they understood exactly where I wanted to to go, and it was In my opinion, a very good blend of my vocals, and they understood how to like really give them the space they need, and I love to have like a very like airy vocal that's not pushing too hard with a lot of reverb, and they kept that, and also the production was really working with it somehow.
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It's incredible because I think I may have said something to this effect when we listened to it in Paris for the first time that even though vocally for you, you've found a way to to immerse yourself in the music.
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You're not out front like you have been on certain other songs leading with performance.
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I feel like you still have you have the dominant effect over the song.
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Like the the music that Justice have created is just very Justice. The drums pound.
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Everything is pushed up front.
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The compression is just is just right where it needs to be.
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But in the softest way you're dominating the songs. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely.
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And it I think that French speaking music is always like the vocal is always very much in front up front in the front.
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And you because you need to like to hear the lyrics and there's so much like concern, you know, and all of this needs to be like heard.
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So it's kind of hard to make the vocal sound like understandable.
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So it was important for me to to get the vocal really up front, but also to you know, not make the the song less like bouncy. >> Justice. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so yeah, it felt super exciting because I was like I'm I'm glad that I I had so much time to really figure out that this is the music I'm doing now and it makes sense with what I've done before.
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>> feel like that like a huge departure from in many respects.
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I feel like there's been steps towards this.
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>> And it's also the good like the very like organic way to move on and to make new music and I'm so proud of what I've done in the past, but I'm also very excited for what's to come. >> No, very tasteful.
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You've had a really tasteful pop music career, but pop is is is its very nature probably the most malleable of experiences for music listener because it's it's got real magpie effect.
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There's a real magpie effect.
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It's like oh, that's cool. I can make that pop.
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And really clever, really smart, talented, tasteful people can make some of the most kind of edgy, really sort of dangerous sounding music popular.
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They can bring it and force us into a room. That's very true.
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It's also super important to to understand that the the audience of the people they're ready. They give people credit. >> Exactly.
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Like they really are ready and especially now and an era where all of the music it's blending together.
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There's like playlist of everything together and we can really give them the we can be confident and we can we we shouldn't like under underestimate the the people and if if they've been loving like very like easy pop song which I love cuz I've I've done that my whole life.
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I love a very easy very like comfortable I would even say like colorful pop song but I also love a darkness and I I've been super happy to see that my my French speaking audience Belgian French audience which is like the core audience that I have so far has been really you know they they replied very well and I was a little scared but I was also excited to be like >> isn't it? To be a little scared.
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That's why you took your time and did it. Yeah, yeah.
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The video really really helps as well. It's beautiful.
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The choreography, the casting, the feeling of it, the filter. It was shot on iPhone.
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Let's get that out in the open but we're not here continue to promote Apple products but we're very proud to have played a part in that experience.
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Uh not your first experience working with iPhone.
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You've been an iPhone in a video before as well which was hilarious when you actually played an iPhone as an iPhone. >> Oh my god, yes. Yes, it's true. I did that. I played an iPhone. Yes.
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>> That's the thing you forgot. You're like wait, what?
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Like oh yeah, it was a life-size iPhone.
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I completely forgot about that.
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Like that just happens all the time.
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Yeah, that's like my I always have this like relationship with social media cuz I started making music on the social media doing little covers and I got a lot of people following me at first through the social media even before any anything else
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happened and and then it's it's a super important part of my career but it's also of course as everyone else like you can get like attached to the phone a little too much and so I impersonated a phone a few years ago. >> to great effect by the way. I don't
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>> to great effect by the way.
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I don't think I've ever seen anybody uh, play a life-size iPhone with the same convincing and believability as you, Anja.
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Um, the social media thing is really interesting because it's changed shape, in particular in recent years.
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There was a time when it was very available to artists like yourselves, and if you did great music or did great content, then a then an audience was available to you. Yes.
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>> And it was in everyone's interest to make the connection, build a following, and that's where the stickiness is.
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I think it's become very challenging for people even with an existing following to to to find their actual audience anymore because the the algorithms changed. It's all so confusing.
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Do you think, and I was talking to, uh, Lykke Li about this as well, that, you know, artists nowadays, including yourself, have to rethink how to use the internet, that it's not the only tool, because it's becoming confusing space, I think, to reach each other. Do you know what I mean? It is.
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I have no answer to that because I'm also myself a little confused.
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The only answer I got so far is, I think if you make great music, or at least music that you're proud of and that you find great.
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The one thing that is for sure changing, in my opinion, is how much live is again such an important part of it, cuz I started in 2017, 18, and I started like, uh, touring when I was starting my career, I was already performing and testing the the song with audience every time.
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I was like, "Oh, I I made this song. What do you guys think?"
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>> Probably before you even felt ready. Oh, I wasn't ready. That's for sure.
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But now I see that after COVID, it was really hard because the the the live was not happening, of course, for a while.
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And I feel like now it came back, and people are like looking forward to see their artists on a show, and that's super exciting.
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And I feel like it's also good that not every show translate well on the social media. >> Yeah, yeah. Or not as much.
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I've seen Rosalía show in Paris, uh, 2 ago. Okay.
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And I've seen some images and it was incredible, but when you see it in real life, it's like >> absolutely >> was it? It's incredible. >> incredible. She's beyond.
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>> Yeah, she's definitely doing her thing better than anybody could do her thing.
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It's like it's unbelievable what she's pulling off right now. Yeah, it's true.
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I went and saw Bruce Springsteen last night at the other end of the spectrum and I filmed something to show my kids and I was like, "Oh man, this doesn't translate at all."
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It was such an amazing experience and my phone just could not handle it.
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Um, your beginnings, not to go over it all, but are super interesting cuz I feel like people knew you had it in you before you even did.
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I feel like there is this sense of people gently urging you or nudging you or giving you the confidence to explore this.
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Is that looking back on your life now with a bit of perspective, is does that feel true to you?
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You mean that I had a lot of, uh, support?
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>> Yeah, and that even though, you know, you probably knew you wanted to do this, that you may have required that support to just nudge you in that direction.
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>> It feels like, I mean, in the very beginning the way I remember it cuz it it starts to be a little blurry cuz it's almost 10 years ago. >> Tell me about it.
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It felt like I really did not know what I was doing.
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I was genuinely confused all the time cuz I was like, "What's going on?
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Why do I have all of this stress and pressure and and happiness at the same time?"
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I don't know what to do with it.
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>> Are you still on the success that you achieved very quickly?
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>> Yes, and it was super quick and it happened in the social media, but also on the radio and I did not know how much the French radio would help and I was you know, Brussels is a small city, but it's already a big place for music and I was just understanding how much it it was real, but also I was myself like uploading the videos on my YouTube channel cuz I I was independent.
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So, it was a lot of things and I felt like a little unprepared.
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>> Yeah, you were independent during that time, which is insane.
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It It It caught on so fast.
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I feel like records are getting broken left, right, and center, and everyone was talking about it.
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We were hearing it out here.
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We were like, "Oh, this artist Angèle is like doing huge numbers in in France and in parts of Europe, and this is a really big thing."
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And And I was like, "Okay, this is great."
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But I didn't realize at the time cuz I wasn't as I didn't know you, and I wasn't as deep into the conversation with you, that you were dealing with this kind of in a very So, like you say, independent way.
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>> Yeah, I mean, of course I had an incredible team, but when we started, we were literally my two managers and me. And Wow.
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>> Of course, you know, by the time more and more people got involved and we got to construct a team, but we had to do it when it was happening, and my first tour was chaotic and beautiful, chaotic. I wasn't ready at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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When did it start to feel comfortable for you?
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When did you start to realize, "You know what?
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I actually think I can make this work for me and not in the way everybody else works"?
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>> Well, when I started therapy, I think definitely helped cuz I was like That's the one.
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That's the one thing I the one thing that worked for me so far. Yeah, same.
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I started therapy during COVID, and it was a very good time to reflect on everything that has happened for the last 4 years.
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And since then, I've I've found a way to feel more confident and to understand that I need to be well surrounded.
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I still have the same team since the beginning.
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Uh my manager used to be my nanny somehow.
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So, we're very family style.
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Um I stayed very like grounded, very like close from Belgium.
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I never left Belgium, which also helped cuz it Paris is such an incredible city, and I've spent a lot of time there, but I think the fact of like staying in in in in my country really like helped me staying grounded.
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>> That's a very Belgian thing as well, not to try to sort of create like a a of the Belgian creative experience, but a a lot of my friends or any of my friends who are from Belgium do not leave Belgium. Yes, that's true.
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So, what do you think that is apart from it being to to your to to your point somewhat of a safe environment, a close community, what is it about Belgium that that inspires the creative spirit and ultimately wants you to keep creating there?
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I think it's a very like in interesting balance between as you said smaller community, we're very close from France.
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It's like an hour and half by train.
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So, it's super easy to get there.
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But, there's no not the same like concurrency.
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So, when you're a Belgian artist, if you go to France, it's incredible. You you won basically.
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Like as a Belgian artist, if you have a French audience, it's like bingo. This is it.
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So, but if you're like have a Belgian career, it's already a big thing.
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It's already it's own important thing.
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So, I feel like >> So, Belgium nurtures its own superstars. It does support it. I feel like yeah.
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I feel like there's this thing where like Belgium would say we need to like go in Paris means like work with a lot of like French infrastructures and the industry is maybe more like powerful in France because it's bigger.
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But, it's also incredible to have your world and I mean I I cannot speak about Belgian pop music without speaking about Stromae, which is a good example of someone who's stayed in Belgium and he's massive in the entire world, but I think the fact that you know, he can live a normal life, he can be like making his music. >> He fought for that. Absolutely.
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I was exactly thinking that this song is such an important song for me.
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I really remember um where I was and what and what mindset I mindset I was when I wrote it and listen to it with you here in LA in California, which is so far away from Belgium.
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I feel like so um it's it's nice. Thank you. >> on?
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Where do you go when you hear it?
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What what was going on in your life at that moment?
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I was making my first uh record uh called Brol, which means disorder. >> Mhm.
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And uh it's a Belgium slang.
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And I was working on that.
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I was in Brussels in a tiny apartment and I had a nice little view.
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I wrote that song cuz I wanted to like write No, I did not want to write a feminist anthem. >> Mhm.
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I did not even know what I was doing, but I had something to say about about it apparently.
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And I started writing this song and it took me a while to really find the right tone cuz I wanted to have a lot of humor. Mhm.
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And it was a little bit of a joke, but it was a way to to be like I feel like something is off in the way women are being treated in this world.
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And I was like freshly 20 years old, very like unaware of the actual feminism, but I had this thing that was telling me that something was off and it was pre-Me Too.
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And then Me Too happened and it's it's called a different way in in in French we say Balance ton porc.
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And so Balance ton quoi is like a way to use this Me Too, but like make it my own.
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And of course, I did not expect the song to to be huge and to also give me a sudden responsibility.
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Yeah, I was going to ask you about the balance between trusting your inner voice and releasing something that speaks to you personally, but then ultimately speaks to so many people, becomes kind of anthemic to people.
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And how you kind of then sort of stay connected to the music and the the origin of it versus what it means to people, which is important, too.
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That I don't really know.
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I never I mean, by By time I did not expect it, so it was it was a sudden, you know, of course it was a responsibility.
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It was also just amazing to understand that that song was really connecting to a lot of people and to a subject and to a more like political subject.
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I think it was just also like a kind of in the moment because then Me Too really kind of exploded and became such a real thing when that song also became a thing.
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And so I was just I was myself so surprised, but also so much like understanding the importance of it.
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And when we had to do the video, we really took a long time to make it.
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We I did it with Charlotte Adigéry.
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She's also um Belgian and she's a an amazing photographer and we we've been working a lot together.
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And when we we wrote that video, it was super important to be right.
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And of course if I had to do it today, I I would change it cuz it's been years now and you always want to get better.
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And feminism it's wide and the sub the subject is so wide and there's so many things to say about it.
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But I'm I'm very glad and I'm proud of my young 21 22 years year old self that was just kind of not really knowing what she was doing, but really speaking with the instinct and what was, you know, in my guts.
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You obviously have a really powerful Thank you for answering that.
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You obviously have a very um distinct inner voice, a voice that when it chooses to present itself, it's like, all right, I'm listening. Like I I understand.
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I think I understand where I need to go right now.
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Has it always been the case?
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You know, would your parents say that that you were always you would always listen to yourself and trust your instincts as a kid? It's fun. I don't really know.
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As a kid, that's a question for my therapy. I'll think of it.
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But I would say for sure it's something that I've been following since the beginning of that crazy life which is being a musician.
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When we started, that was the only thing that I was following cuz nothing else made sense and it was just I want to do this, I want to do that.
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This feels off, this feels weird.
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So, it was just following a little path that was, you know, making I was making my own little way through my instinct.
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And then, I can tell when things got weird for me and when I became famous also and that part of it was also weird to just deal with.
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Um when I stopped listening to my instincts, that's when things got weird in my life.
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So, I think my instinct is the very that the one thing that I always come back to, for sure.
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And it's not always easy to know exactly if you're right, but I would say even if you're wrong, at least you followed something that you know, that you you're going to learn with it.
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>> That's what the learning is.
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Yeah, when you try to do something for the wrong reason, like I should do this and it's no matter in what perspective, if it's like production wise, lyric or like just like the strategy or like where should I go? Like, should I do this?
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Should I should I ans- answer this question? What should I say?
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And sometimes just like reconnecting to your inner little voice.
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And in in my life, it has always worked pretty much. >> Trust your spirit.
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You know, you just talked about making music.
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You're a producer, you're you know, you write all your your own songs.
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I mean, you're very self-contained in that regard, which which I'm sure for people like Justice really makes it for even more fun experience because it's like, "Oh, cool.
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We're dealing with a peer here.
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It's not someone who's asking us to paint a picture for them." Yeah.
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I mean, probably it was also fun cuz when when we met after we we did the song, I mean, they did the first version and they sent it to me.
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And then we met actually in New York.
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And it was fun cuz they they started working on Ableton not long time ago, which is the one program I've always worked.
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And so, I knew what they were doing.
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And so, it was also fun cuz it was kind of this I don't know how to say like um mysterious thing when you listen to Justice is so much it's still like rich.
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And then you see this times and I was like, "Oh."
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You got the inside track.
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We don't have to go Well, I mean no secret.
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I think they do um listen to their instinct too.
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They have incredible ears and I love that they love a good song.
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They love the like harmonic and melodic aspect.
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They're very technical and they're I mean they no joke.
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They learn a lot from Daft Punk who obviously made their first, you know, couple of albums, you know. >> famously.
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>> Famously made their first couple of albums Daft Punk are right in charge of all of the music and uh but then uh as they established, you know, uh the problem is is that they made a better album with than they made for themselves and ultimately now we're the best thing on the internet.
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We don't do that anymore.
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We don't do that last time.
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Apologies for my bad French accent.
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Um So, producer, songwriter, artist, performer at the highest level.
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Choreography in the new video is so great.
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That I mean we have to talk about La Horde.
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La Horde which is They're incredible.
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These three people uh named La Horde uh are a collective and they have a dance company.
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They also work at the in Marseille uh as the director of the dance Wait, I'm losing my words right now.
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Yeah, but like the yeah, like the like the like the the dance collective or the program, yeah.
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>> and we've been knowing each other for quite a bit now and I asked them to work with me for that special project cuz I really could see the emergency that we were talking about but also the tension.
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I wanted to make something sexy and fresh and I wanted to play with codes.
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Uh I wanted a night life night time uh video.
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>> Cuz I can't tell sometimes whether it's a party or a riot in the video.
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And that's what I really love about it is it's like which way is this going?
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You don't really know and I love that through the video you don't you like you feel almost a little uncomfortable. >> yeah. And I wanted that.
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I wanted a little also like self awareness and a little like the the French lyrics are a little cheeky as I said.
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Um It was weird to make my parents listen to it for example.
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So, I was kind of like talking over the lyrics to make sure they wouldn't listen to it.
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>> You're not going to leave and they're going to listen to it on their own time.
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It's like you just don't want to do it with them there. >> No, no, no. Exactly.
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But we did happen and it was fine.
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But as I said, I wanted that lyrics to kind of like feel fun and self aware and I love to play with all of these things together like romantic, sexy, but also fun and playful.
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And I knew that La Horde was perfect to bring also a lot of like poetry.
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And we've we worked together on that project and I want to work with them a lot more because they're absolutely incredible. Understandable.
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You know, for the visuals to accompany a song which feels like a fresh start or at least an evolution for you then yeah, add to your crew.
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And isn't that what it's all about?
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And I feel like you're really good at that.
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You have a great taste metric where you're able to go really like that photographer.
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Can I work with that photographer?
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Really like these choreography troop.
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Can I work with this crew? >> Exactly.
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I mean, that's that's the best thing when when you get to a certain point and you're like, I love La Horde.
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I wish I could work with them. And then we met.
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And then I was like same as Justice. We went to have dinner.
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I was with Sylvie Mamandra.
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And we kind of did not prepare that.
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We're like, would you guys like to work with us?
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And they were like, sure. I was like, okay.
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Do you want to listen to the song? Yeah. What about now? Okay.
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And they were like, okay, let's go.
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Sometimes it's easier than it feels than it seems.
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Um And so yeah, I was like, okay, dream to work with Lauv, done.
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Dream to work with Justice, >> Justice, done. Next dream.
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You don't have to verbalize it.
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Manifestation is a private thing.
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But, are you thinking, let me roll this into an actual question, that's my job.
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What is What What is actually next?
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Where does music go for you now that the train is on track?
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>> It's a lot of time in the studio, a lot.
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I've I haven't I mean, I'm starting to feel like it's you know, it's good to stop at some point because I've been doing so much studio.
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I I've been doing so many songs.
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I've been I'm so excited for what's to come.
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You feel like you have it? I feel like I'm ready.
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I feel like I'm like a about to be ready.
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The There's so much that you can do and you don't want to overdo cuz when a song is written, it's written and usually you can come back to like, you know, change your word, change this, that, but usually the melody, the chords, the lyrics, that's it.
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The production can be a whole different world and I don't think you ever spend too much time on one production, but we were listening to Balance Ton Quoi and when I think of it, it feels like maybe simple, but it took me a year to really get there because I wanted it to be like very specific and I wanted to sound like round, but also kind of sharp and you always want to have all of these together.
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>> that don't actually relate. Oh my gosh. I know what you mean. It's totally amazing. I know what you mean.
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Like, I was literally talking to someone the other day about something I've been working on and I was just literally like, I just want it to be a little bit brighter, but don't lose the like the the like the like the warmth.
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Like, I need it to warm and they're just like, those are opposite things, bro.
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Like, what am I trying to achieve here?
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It's so hard to to communicate it, which is I think why it's so important that you learn as many languages as you can and you being able to like, you know, open up Ableton and just fire off something that you've got inside of you and not have to wait for somebody to show up. That's That's true. >> crucial.
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Yeah, it's super fun to have that and talking about language, um it's always fun because you think that you know, sometimes you you use crazy words and even it could go like in the food.
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Like this is a little like, you know, like you know, this type of cheese.
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Well, I want this type of cheese and this is too this type of cheese.
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I'm not because I have work with French people. Maybe. >> on, man.
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>> to make them understand in their own language, you know? Like cheese.
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But not in an offensive way, you know?
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Not in a way like I know you only really like cheese and really tasteful cinema.
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But you know, I just want it to be like cheese. Exactly.
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It's like this is too much like Roquefort and I want a little like Camembert.
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But no, it it's sometimes it can go like everywhere and we've had very absurd conversation.
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Um of like how how you like picture it and so I feel like even when you do the mix, you get very much like it's a lot of images all of a sudden cuz you can go to like this like frequency on the treble right here.
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But sometimes it's never as effective as if you go like, I need some like softness in the treble and I need as you said like some warmth.
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But don't you know, don't get rid of the sharpness.
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And usually we understand each other. Yeah.
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Well, you obviously have a real ability to be able to speak your language through the through the arts in a creative way.
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Um it's a very exciting time in your life at least as a fan of your music, I feel.
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Um with this song just kicking the door wide open in so many different directions for you to be able to all go and play in.
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I cannot wait to hear more music.
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We're so grateful here at Apple Music that you came out to say hello to us. >> I'm so glad.
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We're going to have another conversation when the time is right with more music to talk about and way more to dive into.
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So I'm going to leave it there.
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But Angèle, thank you so much for >> so much. Thank you. Amazing. Amazing.
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All right, the end of the world is upon us, but let's have a good time listening to it.