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Here we go. All right. Cheers, Kevin. Cheers. Good to see you. Clink, clink.
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So, where are we and what are we drinking?
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Are you supposed to say welcome to the show and [ __ ] You're already hammered?
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I'm not already hammered.
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I just feel like in my current state of mind and affairs of skipping the preamble, skipping all the foreplay, going straight in.
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You know, if my audience has been if my audience has been with me for 700 of these, I'm like, you know, you guys are probably pretty limbered up by now. What's limbered? Limbered up. Love it. Yeah.
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Welcome to the Jim Ferraro Show, everybody.
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This is a special edition random show.
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It's been a few months at least. It's good to see you.
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We're We're actually next to each other.
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If you're watching the video, we are sitting next to each other on my floor, which is is crazy. Yeah. This is old school. I like it. Yeah.
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In front of a recording couch.
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Does my audio sound weird to you? Listen to this.
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Tell me if it sounds weird to you. Test 1 2 3. Hello. Hello. How's it going? Does that sound weird? Watch. See? Talk, talk, talk.
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Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. You sound good, right? Doesn't sound weird.
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You don't You don't sound weird. Okay, sweet.
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Actually, yeah, you know, when I get close, You're pretty close. Yeah.
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If I talk right now, I'm getting a huge gain blowback on my voice, but not yours. Oh, interesting.
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So, maybe it's just a It's the headphone thing. Yeah. All right. Sorry, people.
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We're going to leave all that in.
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That's actually pretty funny.
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People will be like, what the [ __ ] are these guys doing?
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All right, I'm investing in tequila, folks, not in editing. I'm just kidding. Half.
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All right, so so we are actually in my new apartment in Los Angeles.
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We're sitting on the floor in front of a a little table here. Yeah, I'm in LA now. I moved. Why did you move to LA?
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So, you know, a lot of things going on Because since COVID, everybody from LA has moved to Austin. Is that true?
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I mean, a lot of people have moved.
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a lot of people have moved to Austin.
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You know, it was one of those things where I was in Portland, Oregon for a few years. Loved it.
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Beautiful, beautiful place. Rains a lot. Not a lot of friends. Yeah.
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And so it was hard cuz we were in the middle of nowhere and you know, it's it's actually just kind of depressing.
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Like rain and no friends with COVID combined.
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Now, when you moved there, I have to say I was like, who does Kevin know in that area?
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Yeah, I knew a couple people and one of them moved and I had a couple of other friends and then one of them had a baby and you know, with COVID and everything you like you don't get around the new baby and all that stuff, so it was tough.
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But my family was out there.
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My mom was out there, you know, my sister's still out there and just decided hey, let's get away from them. No, I'm just kidding.
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Honestly, with all the NFT stuff going on and the majority of my calls were either LA or New York that I was having work wise.
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And so why not get down to where everything is happening and so the choice you know, I we weren't going to go to New York cuz it's just wintertime New York.
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You've already done New York also.
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And I have two kids and it's like New York's hard harder with kids, but yeah, so LA Why is New York harder with kids?
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I mean, when the snow is like 3 ft deep and like the winters the winters and you know, it's there's also traffic.
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Like I remember when I was out in New York and I was watching I'm just laughing cuz I just spent 3 hours in traffic driving from San Diego to Los Angeles. It's [ __ ] terrible.
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There's a difference between like LA stop and go freeway traffic and like you're watching these kids and I saw this happen where they make them all hold hands when they're crossing the street of course. Yeah.
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And then like a taxi comes flying around, you know, at a a million miles an hour and almost like wipes out a a I I'm just I just kind of freak out. Yeah.
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When when you have the dad hat on with the kids, I'm like, I don't want to have to worry about that stuff. got it.
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this is I and I know there's more neighborhoody stuff and there's there's areas of New York where we definitely could have made it work, but I don't know.
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West Coast, I'm I'm still my mom, you know, she's up there. She's in her 80s.
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She's undergoing cancer treatments.
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I want to be on this coast.
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I can bounce up in a second if I need to, so, you know, made sense. That makes sense. Yeah. All right.
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So sitting on the floor with a beverage in hand.
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That's a great question because this is something of yours.
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I am keeping it simple and having some tequila.
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Missing a little bit of Texas perhaps.
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Dos Artes 100% agave blanco.
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I wanted something that would maybe be less likely to donkey punch me in the head hangover wise.
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And so I chose this as much for the blanco, right?
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as for the bottle itself.
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I mean the actual ceramic container is gorgeous.
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This is one of our our favorite tequilas.
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I got to say a big thank you to Aneesh who introduced me to this tequila, bought me a bottle of this as a thank birth- birthday gift or something. It just blew my mind.
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So really good not not crazy expensive.
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I like middle of the road kind of world, but just awesome tequila. Yeah, I have no idea.
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Just for the bottle alone, I'm imagining this costs a fair amount to make.
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Just true for a lot of the premium alcohols.
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Like you're paying 20% of the price or 30% of the price for the glass or the crystal or whatever you're actually not keeping most likely.
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So, what are you drinking?
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I'm having a little bit of champagne just because my wife bought a bottle and we opened it.
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Uh I'm drinking a really douchey champagne.
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It's It's not douchey, but it's like Can I Can I say that on your podcast?
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You can say whatever you want.
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Okay, so it it's um This is the funny thing.
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Daria came back from from the champagne store, which grocery store.
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And she she was like, I I saved $300.
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And I'm like, cool, what did you get?
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We don't ever drink this champagne, but there was apparently a sale on something called Ace of Spades, which is Jay-Z's champagne.
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It's actually quite good.
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It's actually quite good.
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So just laughing because as soon as you mentioned that before we were recording and I was like, and you also have a red wine with Snoop Dogg's face on it on your sink. I'm like, what is this?
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Tupac, uh you know, right?
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Best Fed Butter, what's that? What's coming?
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So, there not too far away from us is a grocery store that basically has Snoop Dogg's wine.
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And it's like kind of like a table wine.
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And And Daria needs it for cooking, so she bought Snoop Dogg's.
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It was like a six It's like I think $10 bottle of wine.
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Don't judge the cost of Snoop Dogg's table wine.
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I just thought I thought there were going to be there was going to be more to that pattern. That's it, basically. And how is it? Mhm. It's quite good. Oh. Very dry, um fantastic. So Cheers. Good to see you, man.
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Yeah, it's been a long time since we've done one of these in person. I know.
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It reminds me of the old school episodes that we used to do back then.
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these all the time in San Francisco. Yeah.
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And even with the glass background, it makes me think of one of your places in San Francisco. Totally.
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Where all those people showed up angry. Well, the protesters. The protesters. That place.
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That That particular place. yet?
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Have you been protested yet?
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I have not been protested yet. That's interesting.
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Yeah, well, I I think that's going to happen actually with your figure thing you're working on. Oh god, I'm not sure.
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People's imaginations are going to go wild with what horrible thing I'm concocting, but I have an up and protested.
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I'll take the counterpoint and this is I don't want to give him credit because I don't know if he would want it, but a friend of mine who has this theory and I tend to agree with it that people are going to be 10% less famous every year if they're already a public figure.
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If they're not in rapid ascension, if they're not exploding, and even if they are, if we go over a longer time frame.
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I mean, it's one thing to be popular on TikTok for a month. You're on TikTok, right? I'm not.
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It's quite a different thing to be popular for like 10 years on 20 years. Yeah.
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And I just think that is going to become harder and harder to do.
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Because there'll be more of a pool of people that'll be Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, the internet is just just the young kids coming up on you.
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Yeah, and I'm okay with it. I'm tired. Are you done?
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I think I'm like that NHL player that like, "Oh, wow, yeah, no, god, given how many injuries he's had, he's doing pretty well out there limping along on the ice."
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Yeah, but let me let me ask you God bless him.
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He's given it a good college try.
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Have have another Have another sip of your tequila cuz I have a serious question to ask you here.
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Tell me That was a really intense sip on the microphone.
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It was like That's why I don't wear a headset. It was very intense.
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So You don't want to go for Rogan.
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You don't want to take him out.
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You could You could You could go for it. No, he's won. He's won? Oh, for sure he's won.
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Yeah, and that doesn't even enter my mind, honestly. Really?
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Does not even enter my mind.
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to have like a live studio and [ __ ] cuz cuz a lot of it has to do with that like live presence.
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he is a He's a television professional.
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I mean, he's very good interviewer, he's very good commentator, he's very comfortable in front of a camera and is an excellent storyteller.
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He's He's got to be five to 10 times bigger than his runner-up in terms of size for interview format podcast.
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You got to be up there with him. there.
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I mean, I'm up there, but you have to understand that the there's there's Rogan and then there's like if it were the Tour de France, there'd be like one guy 10 miles ahead and then there'd be a pack of like the guy on roids.
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Then there'd be four guys.
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No, I don't mean he's on roids.
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I mean like in terms of his his like how far ahead he is. Yes.
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I mean, it's it's as if you then have a cohort of folks they're like four or five maybe who are like spread out over 200 yards.
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And so there is maybe a popularity sequence to it, but they're 10 miles behind the person on in first place.
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So I don't even I don't think about uh competing at all in that sense.
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The other thing though too is like I feel like his content he's really good at getting the spicy [ __ ] on, right?
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Like he'll have the spicy guest on, he knows how to push the buttons, and I feel like you have kind of like not I mean, you you have like fantastic intellectual conversations, but I don't know that you push the the agenda of like normal celebrity for the sake of like stir up the pot a bit, you know?
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Yeah, no, I don't I don't have the endurance for it.
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And he he's he really enjoys so many different formats.
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He He is Joe Rogan, meaning Joe Rogan is the best version of Joe Rogan.
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And I think anyone who looks at what Joe does and says, "I'm going to do that and I'm going to do that better and I'm going to be bigger" is foolish.
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I think that's a terrible idea.
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Yeah, no [ __ ] And Joe has tremendous endurance, I think in part because he has chosen formats and ways of communicating and ways of presenting visually that it seems he really enjoys. Right?
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So if somebody tries to force fit themselves into that game Oh, yeah. they're going to lose. Yeah.
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You both had Zuckerberg on the show.
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You maybe 3 months before him, 4 months, something like that.
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Behind the scenes, how much prepping do they give you of like don't ask Mark this, like what's that like?
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They They, meaning his team were extremely easy to deal with for me.
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Did they say like this question is off off limits?
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Like don't ask Mark about his work ethic.
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gave them as I give every guest final cut.
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So there wasn't a lot of talk about prohibited topics or anything like that. Mhm.
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And Did you go easy on him?
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I wouldn't say I went easy.
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There's something that people should know if they don't already about the show and deliberate decisions that that I make so that I enjoy the format in the same way that I think Joe does it with his format.
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And anyone who has, I think, tremendous in podcast years longevity, which would be at least 5 or 10 finds the format that they're best at.
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It's just like different shaped athletes in different sports. Yeah.
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And in the case of my podcast, I made the decision really early on I don't want to have a gotcha show.
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There are many other people who are going to do that better than I will because they enjoy it. I don't.
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I don't want to be Mike Wallace.
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Even though this is famous interviewer if you have not heard that name, you should actually look him up because he was a very skilled interviewer and there's a documentary about him that is fantastic and has chilling footage of him and the entire story behind interviewing the Ayatollah Khomeini.
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In any case, it's not hardball.
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It's not any of these formats and in part that This is going to sound so cheesy and Hallmark card, but I hated going into interviews myself.
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You've been interviewed a ton.
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I've been interviewed hundreds or thousands of times at this point.
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And when you go in and someone just cuts an angle and is out to get some type of headline that they're going to cherry-pick from a longer statement you make and twist it out of context, I just didn't want anything to do with that.
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I wanted my show to be the show, not because it's easy necessarily, but because it's well-researched and thoughtful and not out to be aggressive for the sake of being aggressive.
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For all of those reasons and more, there were certain topics that I didn't bring up.
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And in part that is because if it is a topic, let's just say I were to ask Zuckerberg something like, "What is your stance on A, B, and C?
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Or what How do you personally think about Russia, Ukraine, this, that, and the other thing?"
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When that is a clear and present high-priority area focus within Meta, Facebook itself, he's not going to have any maneuvering ability. Do you know what I mean?
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He's He's going to feel, as he should, compelled to give whatever response they have jointly determined be the right response.
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And so for me to throw that out, it's a waste of everyone's time and oxygen.
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Because number one, we're not going to get, and I wouldn't expect, nor would I even recommend that he give something new.
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And my podcast isn't live again for many reasons.
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But I think I know which trees are worth barking up and which are not.
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I think I'm very good at picking those shots.
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And if people want, let's just say a politically oriented show or a controversy focused show or true crime or something.
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There are tens of thousands of podcasts, brand new ones that come out every week.
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You can find something you enjoy.
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For me, I wanted a lot of that interview, say with Mark.
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Which I was quite happy with.
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Will remain evergreen for a very long time. Right?
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So talking about how he structures his life, thinks about priorities.
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How he integrates, say belief systems, like religion into his family.
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I mean, these are all questions that may not be the topic of the week, but that nonetheless, I think will preserve value, maybe even appreciate in value over time as more and more people chase Yeah.
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whatever happens to be trending that instant on point. TikTok. Yeah.
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Or whatever the platform is. Remember Vine? I mean Yeah.
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Risky business betting on one platform.
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When I interviewed Elon probably 10 years or so ago I I did the same type of approach where it was very like, let's get into who you are as a person versus the topic of the day.
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And if you go back and watch that interview today, there's still some great evergreen pieces of content that are like lessons from just his childhood growing up, like things that lessons that he learned along the way.
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The idea of taking things back to first principles, like the all that stuff was pretty new when he talked about it back then. Yeah.
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And it was I I'm still really proud of that interview that it that it it still, you know, it still gets a lot of views and people should turn ads off on that [ __ ] I don't have ads on that.
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I could make a little little cash on the side.
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That's you know, I was going to say, Kevin.
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You know, I saw you the the holes in your socks.
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Yeah, just to see You know, she's breaking down there.
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All the hand-me-downs that you're wearing. That's right.
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Times are tough in the Rose household. So tough.
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What do you think I should do with the podcast? Honestly, Yeah.
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because I love you, I want you to move to Los Angeles and have a live show.
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Cuz I think a live show would be cuz it Here's the question, like I guess what I was trying to hint at with the Joe Rogan piece is that I believe when I watch Zach on his show and I watch a lot of people, Aaron Rodgers and a few people that I've watched recently, the reason why he can get them to share intimate details is because of that.
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I mean, Aaron Rodgers is sitting there with smoking a cigar on his set, right?
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And they're just kind of chilling out, like having fun.
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It's the Elon moment with the weed cigarette, you know, all that [ __ ] But like that that magic can't happen remote, you know? Yeah, it's a lot harder. It's a lot harder. So, I don't know.
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I mean, I I would if If you if you're going to go for it, like I'd love for you to move to LA, dude, but that's just me personally.
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Could have wanted to have you more in my orbit and hanging out more often, you know?
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You know, I've thought about doing a limited edition live series.
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I was actually looking at it right before COVID hit.
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Well, you did that series, that television show, right? And I enjoyed that.
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And I would do it again, and there is a magic, a connection, also an audio-visual component if you want to show photographs or video Sure.
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that is very hard, if not impossible, to replicate live.
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I also just like having I think having an audience is a lot of fun.
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Well, think about what Oprah did, right?
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being an athlete having to compete.
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It's going from training to competing. Yeah.
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And since I don't do live very often, I get a cheap thrill out of it. Yeah.
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Uh but what were you saying about Oprah?
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Well, I was just saying that she was able to break down I mean, a lot of the intimate stuff that came out was because they were sitting across from each other, right?
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You felt like you were just with her during that moment.
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Why don't you do 6 months out of the year out here?
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A little studio, little series.
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It could be cool, actually. Maybe 1 month.
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But the fact of the matter is I moved to Austin because I wanted to leave a scene.
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I mean, there are tons of reasons, but I remember you were in SF, right?
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And you were kind of getting burnt out I was done for a couple of years before I left.
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And then I got there, and then COVID happened.
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And what I thought was going to take like 5 to 8 years happened in 18 months.
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And now Austin is a scene. And it's like, "Fuck."
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because I remember one time I I talked to you, and I don't know if you want to keep this in or not, but like there was one time where you were like, you moved to Austin kind of hoping to kind of like get away from that [ __ ] And then you're going to coffee shops, and they're "Tim!"
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Like recognizing you and just being like you're like, "Fuck, I just wanted to kind of get some peace."
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Yeah, you know, and it's uh Like you're hearing tech conversations over coffee. It's the tech stuff.
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Because if if somebody listens to the podcast and they say hi, honestly, there are days when I need it. Like it feels good.
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But it's the But but but I'll I'll paint a picture.
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If I'm this This like actually happened to me, something very similar to this.
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If, however, I like spot a guy in a man bun who has more tattoos than like a Brazilian MMA fighter who's been to prison and has like an ayahuasca t-shirt on and is wearing like a Bitcoin bracelet and comes over to me and he's like, "Yo, bro." Yeah.
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Well, I used to listen to your stuff, but I'm more of a Lex Friedman fan.
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And I'm like, "What is this Lex Friedman?"
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Who's actually a great podcaster.
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But somebody says this to me, and I'm like, "What is this interaction about?
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Like this is such a bizarre interaction."
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That like archetype which is at the nexus of a bunch of circles, including something called conspirituality.
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Whoever came up with that, high five, one of the best words ever.
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But this like conspirituality that seems to have taken as it's HQ Austin.
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You started this Drives me cuckoo bananas.
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I I did not start the conspirituality.
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but you were one of the first people I heard talking about ayahuasca and [ __ ] Well, yeah, that's true.
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And then as soon as something as as soon as something is popular enough that people are doing it because it's popular, then I'm I'm like I want to just exit stage left. Yeah.
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I saw this piece in the New York Post about socialites using ayahuasca to do God knows what.
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And it's just the same status [ __ ] The cars, the good the goodies that you show to your friends, like all the status stuff that drives me completely nuts.
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And look, I'm sure I play some of those games myself because we're human and we all play some of those games.
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I don't know that you do.
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Like I know you Well, I've never seen you drive a crazy car. No.
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You always have shitty cars. Yeah. Yeah, I do. It's true. It's true.
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And yeah, I don't In that way I don't play any of those games or I try not to.
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houses have always been very reasonable. Yeah. Yeah, they're modest.
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Uh You have a private jet, but that's Yeah, you know.
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Aside from my fleet of golf golf streams. yeah. Very reasonable.
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So, as soon as especially with the psychedelic stuff God, it makes me like so sad on some level that like the [ __ ] monkeys can't help but like soil their own home over and over again.
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It's just like, "Oh guys, come on. Like this one thing.
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Can we not turn this into like a kicking it with the Kardashians, keeping up with whoever the hell is your next door neighbor.
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And because like my instead of this sort of sideways glance making sure that someone has noticed your hot new like Bugatti.
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Now it's like oh oh well you had a good shaman experience.
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Let me tell you about my shaman and it's like it's the same jerking off.
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It's the same stupid game.
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And um I've still never done the uh the actual ayahuasca.
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I got to do that one time with you. I'd love to.
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Yeah, we can talk about it. We can talk about it.
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I mean I I know you'd give me the authentic [ __ ] I don't want that like [ __ ] I want to go If I'm going to get doing this go in.
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I'm just going to be like hold on.
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Let me hop on Craigslist. Find somebody good. Give me a second.
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Casual encounters, does that make sense?
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I don't know how they're advertising these days.
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I will say just as a quick note with with ayahuasca specifically I talk so many more people out of using well this is broadly speaking out of using psychedelics than I have ever talked into using psychedelics.
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I think that's something that a lot of folks listening may not realize.
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That I mostly disqualify or discourage people from doing ayahuasca or any psychedelic.
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It just depends a lot on the specifics for me because these things are so strong. Mhm.
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And they can be they can be incredibly destabilizing. been there.
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And After I did that high dose mushrooms very amazing experience and definitely therapy like a [ __ ] ton like they tell you all compressed in this little thing.
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But for two or three days after I was just kind of like ooh emotions were all over the place, you know?
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It's like it's not just smooth sailing from the second you get done, you know?
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The chemicals are got to rebalance and [ __ ] Yeah and you're you're increasing plasticity.
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So if you take like you just imagine that half life of this huge Let's just say Well, maybe not huge, like volleyball sized ball of Play-Doh and you have to heat it to be able to shape it.
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And that's your brain and then you heat it and depending on all the inputs and stimuli, positive and negative that enter your life or that you allow to enter your life over the subsequent handful of days or even weeks will shape how that dries.
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And then it's not automatically for the better.
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So long way of of saying definitely do your homework.
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This stuff has become so popular and I'm excited about the therapeutic potential.
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I'm excited about the potential for examining in ways that have been effectively impossible before for a lot of technological reasons.
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We will begin to ask and answer questions about the mind and consciousness itself that we have not even been able to scratch the surface of in you know, even even 20 years ago.
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I think I think psychiatry's going to fundamentally change in a lot of really core ways, right?
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I mean fundamental core kind of redundant, but you get the idea that that some of the tectonic plates under which psychiatry rests currently are going to shift very dramatically and I'm excited about that. Yeah. Sounds great.
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I'm I'm speaking of which you kind of we haven't even hit any of our topics we're going to talk about today.
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Well, let me ask you before we move on. Yeah.
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Well, it was it was going to be in line with that, but it yeah. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.
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Now that you gave me one quarter of a drink. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. I'm on a I'm on a roll.
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I may or may not have had some other chocolates. Oh, that's right.
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You had a little chocolate before we got started. I did not have that.
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In any case, ayahuasca chocolate. What? The old god. Just kidding.
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That would be the most the That would be like, cat [ __ ] sandwich is like the flavor that comes to mind. All right.
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Why would you want to do, say ayahuasca?
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What would the What would the the pull be potentially?
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Well, I mean, for me, I I have had a few experiences on on psychedelics that every drug that you take is a little bit different, right?
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Like you have a different door open, right?
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Like high-dose weed is going to feel very different than high-dose mushrooms cuz it's going to feel very different than microdosed acid, which I'm just talking about the things that I've I've tried.
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So, I imagine there's another door to open there.
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Boofing ketamine, different door.
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Ketamine, very different.
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I've done I've done ketamine before in a therapeutic setting and it was it was it was actually the most pleasant, like chill thing I've ever done.
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Like it's just like just chill, you know?
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Watch out for the long-term brain damage if you guys ever do it.
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We'll We'll get into that in another episode.
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Yeah, so, you know, for me, I'm trying to figure out, and this is onto my first point about my my 7-day retreat that I'm going to do.
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That was That was a good head fake.
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Did you answer my question? No, no, no.
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What I'm What I'm saying is that I I want to I want to open as many doors as possible during this lifetime. Why not, you know? Okay. All right. Hey.
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It's not to say I'm going to go and and and stick to one door and be down that path for the next, you know, 6 months, but why not just try it?
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Like I'm We're going to be dead in 40 years. It's true.
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Despite Despite all the people. Yeah.
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Skipping lunch in jail in hopes of eking out an extra 3 years.
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So, you were going to segue, opening doors. Yeah. And?
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You know, the problem, Tim, I I have with a lot of these compounds is that I I feel like they're very prescriptive, and I worry that, you know, you get these you get these changes. Don't get me wrong.
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And and granted, I don't have as much data as you do on this on this front, but for me, I felt this like nice relief for like a month, you know?
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And then it kind of creeps back in to to the normal steady state of of the things, right?
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And so the plasticity I I wonder is it like something that you have to do multiple times and then like how many times?
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And then then on the on the worst case of this, you hear about these people that they just don't ever come back and they're they're lifelong journeyers that are they they you know psychonauts that and you're like are you killing more brain cells?
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Are you really re-reworking the plastic there?
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You just kind of like Yeah, yeah, or you took that Play-Doh and just like just threw it down a sand dune, you know? Exactly.
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So for me, I've been you know I've we've mentioned this many times on the show is like I I love uh the meditation side of things.
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I think of it as a kind of a trying to reach the same peak but in a more kind of steady state like every day microdose way that eventually over a decade or longer of practice you'll eventually get to some amazing state of consciousness.
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I'm not obviously not there yet but I'm doing my first 7-day silent retreat at uh Mountain Cloud Zen Center which I'm very excited to do. That's Henry's place. Henry's place, yeah. Henry Shukman, yeah. Nice. Fantastic teacher. So why do this retreat?
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What are you hoping to gain from it?
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Well, if you read a lot of the Zen books that are out there, a lot of the whether it be the three pillars of Zen or Zen the authentic gate, a lot of the big unlocks that happen with meditation are not just through 50 minutes a day which Zen is typically 25 minutes of seated meditation, 5 minutes of walking, and then another 25 minutes of seated.
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It actually happens at these sessions or at these like proper retreats, you know?
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Where you're doing days meditating and and you really go deep.
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It allows your mind to really calm and you've done this. You've been there.
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So I I just I just want to go.
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I want to see what's there.
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Like in this spirit of unlocking these other doors and trying new things, like, "Hell yeah, like let's let's go." Let's go. You know. LFG. Zen. Uh All right.
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Are you concerned at all? Do you have any worries?
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How are your knees going to be?
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You're going to be sitting a lot.
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I'm going to be bringing my seated I use a kind of Japanese style seated bench for for meditation versus the folded legs. Kind of like a Sebian.
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It's got a little like a bidet adapter on it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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So, I'm going to go and do that. Hitachi magic wand.
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I don't know keeps the hips loose. Yeah, exactly.
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I don't know what you're saying, but it feels great.
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I'm used to sitting for an hour a day like that, so that's that's not a I I don't know.
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You're going to be going from hour to how many hours a day? I'm fine.
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Like like it's going to be like eight or Once you Once you lose feeling in your legs, you're fine. I'm fine.
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I I I I'm really like I'm all in.
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I I just want to do this. Yeah, I'm all in.
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I I just want to do this. I'm very very excited. Yeah. I do like Henry. Henry's amazing.
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Uh for for those of you don't know, just a plug for Henry through via Sam, Henry has a lot of his courses on the Waking Up app from Sam Harris, so you can you can check his stuff out there. Fantastic Zen teacher.
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Just a a good human, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, great guy, very well-spoken, great guy. podcast twice now. He's been on twice.
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So, for people who want to taste test of Dr.
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Shukman, he Your second interview with him around the koans was just brilliant, dude. It was so good.
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Yeah, yeah, because that was part of the intention for the first episode, as you know. Yeah.
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And then we got hooked on all these other topics and didn't come back to it.
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And I was like, "All right, we need to do a round two." Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
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So, anything you've enjoyed watching recently? Yes.
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I was going to get into some of the I figure we could do cuz it's been a while since we've hung out.
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And I'm sure, you know, with COVID and everything else we've hit some good movies.
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I was going to give you like my favorite porn search terms.
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five bullet movie list cuz I know you love five bullets.
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I actually have five bullets right here. Five bullets. He love those bullets. Uh I do.
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my five bullet movie list and then you tell me yes or no would you like these whether you've seen them. Oh great, yeah.
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And then you do the same for me. You got five? I do not have five. I have one. All right.
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But but good good good job. But it has six episodes.
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So technically I think I have six and you have five. Okay. Six for five. All right. So the new Top Gun. [ __ ] great. Fantastic.
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Can you believe that he did all that flying himself?
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I mean the the fact that he is still doing so many of his own stunts is insane. Incredible.
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And it's it's got want to pick up Scientology.
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You know you're in the right place. Yeah, exactly.
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The real reason that Kevin moved to LA. That is not the case.
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I I thought Maverick was fantastic. Saw it in IMAX.
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I hadn't seen anything on IMAX in a long time and I was like all right like if we're going to do it let's actually do it.
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I really went into it being like oh Jesus I hope they don't ruin this, you know, like another Top Gun.
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Is this going to be cheesy?
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And I walked away being like damn that was good. It was really good.
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and it's there have been also a lot of filmmakers who have enjoyed it not that that's my indicator.
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I just thought it'd be fun to go see uh old school all the tropes like use all the clichés because they work. and the dancing so good.
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Just you know exactly what you're signing up for.
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And it's like having something that reliable and uplifting is like really reassuring in a world of increasingly chaotic uncertainty.
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It's like yeah, you know when you go to see [ __ ] Maverick it's not going to end with like an orphan kid dying.
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You know that that's not the ending. All right.
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So the next next movie the the price of everything. Have you seen that? The of Everything. Is this an art doc? Yes. Yes.
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I saw it a long time Yeah, I saw it quite a few years ago.
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Yeah, I really really enjoyed it.
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So, while you you've seen it much more recently though.
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Yeah, I mean it's it basically just gives you if you're ever curious uh kind of behind the scenes of the contemporary art world, what goes on at auction, how these artists make their art.
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They actually which is crazy, they actually hire like people to do the art for them. Some of them do, yeah. Yeah, some of them do.
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It's just a crazy behind the scenes view of the art world and for someone that's into NFTs, it was just like I learned a lot. So, highly recommend it.
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a wild romp through contemporary art and if you're in the camp of let's just say advocate, right?
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You really enjoy contemporary art, you'll get a lot out of it.
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And also if if you think that much of contemporary art is complete horse [ __ ] you will also get a lot out of it because neither camp is going to be disappointed. Yeah.
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Uh hey love, can I have a little sippers of something you find? Thank you.
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Uh not a beer, just like any wine or anything. Thank you.
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So, the price of everything next one Elvis, the new Elvis film. Oh, look at that. There we go. Bam. Thank you. Look at that bling. So, the new Elvis film. So, here's the deal.
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I don't want to care about Elvis.
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Who cares about Elvis, right?
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Like I I didn't think No, seriously.
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I I was like Elvis, old people, blah blah blah.
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You watch Elvis, this this new movie. did you go to it?
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Um Johnny actually told me it was fantastic.
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And so, I put it on and I was blown away because Elvis was a misfit.
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Like he grew up in a black neighborhood.
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That's what how he got a lot of that kind of soul vibe like that came through in his music.
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And then also, he was like thrown in jail because of the way he moved his hips and [ __ ] Like that These were the times back then, right?
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And so, like he got on stage when like just like make his finger move and stuff to like like get the crowd going and [ __ ] cuz he couldn't move his hips otherwise he'd be thrown in jail. It's a brilliant story.
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Then it shows how he got hooked on drugs and whenever I thought of Elvis, I thought of this like kind of Vegas singer, overweight, passed away.
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Oh, I don't know much about I learned a lot and he reminds me of just any other icon.
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I I can see why he's so massive.
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I It was like a history lesson in a movie. So highly recommend it. Yeah. I'll check it out. I'll see you.
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It looked like the cinematography is beautiful just based on the preview. Fantastic.
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Yeah, I I was not expecting to love an Elvis movie. That is not me, right?
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But I I walked away being like he was a badass, a lot cooler than I thought. Yeah.
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Um next one, Everything Everywhere All at Once. Yes. So good.
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It was great and I'll I'll give you a bit of trivia maybe if you have not heard this already.
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I was watching it and Michelle Yeoh's husband from within 30 seconds, I was like, I know that guy. Goonies. Yes, exactly.
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I was like, Data from the Goonies within like 30 seconds.
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I'm just so glad that that guy is still around.
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Yeah, I mean he could have ended up in a million different places and the fact that he's in he he I'm sure he's he's been he's been in maybe many many many other films, but to end up in this as such a I don't want to say sleeper hit, like unexpected I would imagine mega hit.
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So I I made Daria watch it and and she was just like, what the hell am I watching? It's a weird-ass film. bizarre movie.
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If you like really weird [ __ ] and you're just like your jam is kind of like funky, indie, odd, like you walk away being like, what the hell did I just watch, but it's it's it's brilliant.
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It's brilliant at the end of the day. Oh, yeah. I really enjoyed it.
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for the dildo scene was just Remember that one when they're trying to race? Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. It's in the fight scene.
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It's in the middle of a fight scene. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
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Yeah, there's a lot There's a lot to it. It's a strange movie.
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So, my last one on list of ones I watched recently that was for Here's number five, Airplane, the original Airplane.
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Have you watched that recently?
38:37
No, and it would never get made today, which is probably part of what makes it funny.
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It's cringe like bad, like really sexist, and there's a whole a whole lot of jokes in there that you look at and you're like, "How the hell did they make this?"
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But, it's also like there's so many iconic moments and and and bits that when you watch it Yeah, I heard you spit in the back of the bus there.
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It's just It's It's fantastic to watch again. Airplane. Yeah. Oldie. I'm into it. All right.
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What's your one movie that you have to recommend?
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Well, I'll share an oldie.
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It's not as old as Airplane, but if people have not seen I recently rewatched it, Spirited Away. Mhm.
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By Studio Ghibli, which at the time was headed up by Miyazaki Hayao.
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My favorite movie of all time. Really? Why?
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It just I watch it and I'm like, "This is good, you know?"
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It just has all the ingredients.
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I think I also watched it when I was 15 or 16.
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So, there's the nostalgia aspect.
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It might have been a few years later, but the coming of age and hero's journey of Chihiro, who then gets renamed Sen, and there's a whole story and sequence behind that.
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The fact that she goes from so weak to so self-confident and strong, the way that is woven in to a fantasy backdrop, including so many of my favorite things, right?
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I mean, there's like Japanese bathhouse, bunch of weird gods, you know, bunch of creepy like ghosts type phantasms.
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Like Kaonashi or No-Face is one of the characters.
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And I thought the animation and the backgrounds and everything, when you consider particularly that they're hand-painted, was spectacular and is spectacular. So, I've rewatched that.
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I'm also very interested now in world-building.
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I'm doing a bunch of fiction writing right now. Mhm.
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Can you tell us more about that? Yeah.
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Yeah, we'll get into that.
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And Are you going to talk about that today or not? No, I'll save it. I'll save it.
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But I will say, I'm bouncing around a little bit.
40:45
So, Spirited Away and then recently read a classic.
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I think it was published in 1968 initially, called The Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le Guin. And it's incredible.
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It's such a beautifully crafted book.
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The language is really not flowery, but poetic sometimes in a very simplistic way.
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That is to say, even very basic sentences, she'll make beautiful.
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And without The Wizard of Earthsea, Harry Potter doesn't exist. Mhm.
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Or at least wizarding schools as we've come to think about them.
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There's so many components of fantasy worlds that we take for granted now that would not have existed were it for The Wizard of Earthsea.
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And then prior to that, I also listened to I know I'm jumping around a bit.
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The Fellowship of the Ring for the first time.
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So, I had not read The Lord of the Rings. I had not read any J. R. R. Tolkien.
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And when you consume when you consume those two books, especially Tolkien's stuff, you realize how many of the archetypes that we just assume have been around forever because they're so ubiquitous, came out of this guy's head.
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One question there, did you see the new Amazon series? The new Amazon series?
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Oh, the the I can't remember the the name of it.
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I've seen the trailer pop up because they're promoting the hell out of it.
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Oh, they spent a billion dollars on the series. Something crazy. Bezos went nuts.
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I haven't watched that, but I will. Cool.
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And as far as my other item, my one item, I'll mention it.
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I mentioned it to Daria earlier because I think it's so spectacular.
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It's a limited series or a six-part, I want to say, animated series.
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Although it it combines 3D and 2D animation in a really innovative, spectacular way is Arcane, which you heard me mention earlier as well.
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And Arcane is based on a game I have never played, but many people do, League of Legends, or it's based on some characters from this game.
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And Riot Games, and there's a a separate behind-the-scenes series, which is the making of Arcane, called Bridging the Rift, which I'm also watching.
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And they just threw everything at this.
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And the animation studio in France, Fortiche, that helped to create the not just the visual components, there's a lot to it.
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And the musical Is this streaming?
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composition behind it, it is on Netflix. Oh, cool.
43:30
And every every frame of this series could be a beautiful, large NFT or a piece of artwork that you would put on a wall. I love that.
43:42
I mean, it is staggeringly detailed and gorgeous.
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So, I I'm just recommending to everybody.
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I think And they spent nine figures on it.
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I don't know if it was 100 million, 200, or more, but the fact that they were willing to dedicate, after a lot of testing, it wasn't haphazard, but willing to dedicate that type of resources to a six-part animated series, ah, man, it's it's it's really gorgeous.
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And it also shows a contemporary example of world building.
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Even though there is world building, there is world building in League of Legends cuz I've learned more about the game even though I haven't played it.
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When you're creating 6 hours of content on a handful of characters, you have to flesh them out and create narrative arcs that intertwine in a way that you just don't necessarily have to in a video game.
44:34
So, highest recommendation.
44:37
Can I pick your brain a little bit here or just maybe get you to divulge a little bit here?
44:45
You've talked you've mentioned now a couple times about doing a little bit of writing in this genre. You're not doing a book. No.
44:51
But you're doing something I mean, I think now's the time to start kind of teasing things out a little bit.
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Can you just tell us what What is Tim working on these days?
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Like you don't have to go into a lot of detail, but can you Can you give us a little bit of like I'm I'm flushing out or doing this or maybe pushing here or can you Well, I here's what I'll say.
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I'll say that that I'm not going to I'm not going to Hey, Toasty.
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Not going to divulge too much, but I will say that I've been experimenting with fiction for about a year and a half, 2 years.
45:25
Well, you did the NFT with with us, which is great.
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my first NFT experiment, thanks to your encouragement, was a short fiction piece called uh If You Want to Start a War.
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And I really enjoyed the process of putting that together.
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And specifically the writing process of playing with fiction.
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And in that particular case, it was very strongly based on real events.
45:55
It's fiction, but a lot of it was based on real people and real events, which makes it even spookier if people want to check that out.
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Uh and we did that through Grails, which was great.
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And I'm continuing to work those muscles after a lot of conversations with people like Steven Pressfield and others who who have been very encouraging.
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I may have some stuff to show in the next few months. Cool. Oh, yeah.
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I'll I'll put it I'll put it that way, but it has been a great excuse to read and watch a lot of fiction.
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Sci-fi and and fantasy primarily.
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And have learned so much.
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I've ended up going really deep. So, with Ursula K.
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Le Guin for instance, who was a huge influence on Neil Gaiman.
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Whose writing I've loved for a very long time, including books that I've recommended probably on previous random shows many years ago. Mhm.
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Like The Graveyard Book, which is just fantastic.
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If people only read non-fiction and you want a easy gateway drug, try that out.
47:01
The audiobook by Neil Gaiman is fantastic.
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In any case, so I'm I'm working as I'm thinking about fiction through these influences and lineages, right?
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So, I'm looking at Neil Gaiman, like all sorts of aspects of his process and writing, and then I hear him talking about Ursula K. Le Guin.
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Then I go on Twitter and ask people if I'm only going to read one of her books, which one should I read?
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Get a whole host of answers.
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Start with The Wizard of Earthsea.
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That leads me somewhere else.
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Then I watch a PBS documentary on her life and then learn about A, B, and C and just following the breadcrumbs of my curiosity in that way has has So, Tim, I've seen you in a little while.
47:43
I've seen you like this a handful of times. Yeah.
47:45
I've seen you write a handful of books now.
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We've been friends that long. Yeah.
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And I see when you go down rabbit holes and I I I see this I see this and I I recognize it and it means that you're up to something big. I'm doing so yeah. I mean It really does.
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It mean and and you look happy.
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When you describe it looks like you're having a good time. having a good time. That makes me happy. Yeah, thanks, man.
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Yeah, I'm I'm excited and it's I feel like I'm I am a awakening muscles or sort of creative processes that processes that have been dormant for a long time.
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It It feels like this is um it's potentially a new way for you to flex your creativity in a in a different Yeah.
48:31
in something that you've been it's it sounds like this is something you've had a passion for for a very long time. Mhm.
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And now is the first time you're like, "Okay, I'm going to go for it here."
48:38
And Yeah, totally and it it brings back so many and there's a value here, right?
48:45
It's not just simple nostalgia.
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There are it brings back so many emotional imprints that were powerful and positive when I was a kid.
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And especially given some of the darker stuff that I've talked about in my childhood, it's easy for my psyche to weigh the negative more heavily, right?
49:04
To weigh the dark stuff more heavily.
49:08
But by say going then into some of these these corners of the fiction world it's brought me back to for instance, right now I'm rereading The NeverEnding Story by Michael Ende, I mean it was which was my favorite book as a kid and I remember I used to get in trouble.
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I would pull pranks and stuff and get sent to detention and detention in elementary school was in a few places.
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I always tried to dodge the nurse's office cuz it's so boring.
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nurse's office cuz it's so boring. I wanted to get sent to the library and then I would go get sent to the library and I I started reading The NeverEnding Story and I fell so in love with it that I took it out of its spot and I hid it
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in a different corner of the library so that nobody else would take it out so I wouldn't get interrupted and then I would get into detention again and I would know exactly where it was hidden so I could go back and continue reading and NeverEnding Story and I don't know if you've ever had this experience. Maybe you some people might
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Maybe you some people might have this experience if for instance they saw Aladdin as a kid and then they go and watch it as an adult and they're like, "Oh my god, Robin Williams had a lot of humor for adults." Mhm.
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And I didn't notice it as a kid. Mhm.
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Similarly with a lot of these fiction books like you read The Wizard of Earthsea or you read The NeverEnding Story, there is a lot of deep philosophical discussion and a lot of insight and you might even say truth that is really applicable, maybe even more so to adults who can grok that piece of it.
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Don't you love that when you reread something a little bit later? Yeah.
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And it just hits you in a completely different way. Yeah, totally. It's the best.
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Yeah, it's uh it's it's a lot of fun. So I'm lit up. Yeah, I feel good. That's awesome. Love to hear that. Sweet.
50:57
Should we I've got a couple I know we're coming up on an hour here but I've got a couple more quick little things that are fun Coming up on an hour? How old are we? Jesus. It's time to go to bed. It's 9:45.
51:08
It's 9:45, time to have my warm milk and go to bed. Exactly. Put on my overalls.
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Have a little more Shampers love. Thank you.
51:17
Tim needs a little splash of something too.
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carbonated water is great for me.
51:25
So this is a fun one actually.
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This is completely off topic but I thought it was just it's such a fun little hack.
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that this is off topic for the random show. Yeah, it's true. Thank you very much. Really appreciate it.
51:39
So one of the things that I love about the random show is we can bring up anything and it's just like it's like what are we excited about, what little hacks are we finding and we used to do a lot of that back in the day.
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Now that we're all Now we're just all in lazy.
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Yeah, we're just like tired Hacks, who has time for that?
51:53
We were just We were just joking about this before we went live.
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We're going to talk about like what cholesterol medicine we're on and [ __ ] Oh, yeah, I was just saying the 20-year-old versions of us would be so disappointed. So disappointed.
52:05
So, inflation is is is is a [ __ ] right now, right?
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It's it's kind of going crazy.
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One of the things that It's like $34 avocado toast here in Santa Monica. It's it's not cheap. People are hurting.
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We got to go tomorrow, by the way.
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I know this great place I'm going to take you to.
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So, one of the things that I've always generally avoided are just bonds, government bonds, and and because the the interest rates have been [ __ ] right? Yeah.
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So, they have the something called the I bonds.
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And so, I bonds I, letter I. Yeah, letter I.
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And so, I bonds Is this a dumb dumb question? Yeah. I bonds? Yeah, exactly. U Y E? Not the U Y E.
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So, the the letter I bonds.
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Um you can buy directly on treasurydirect.
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gov, which is a government website.
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And I've done this over the last couple of years, and it it's really it's great.
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They max out at 10k, so the most you can put in is 10 grand.
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And you can do it for you, your spouse can have one, and then also you can do it for your kids as well.
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And right now, the I bond is based on the the current inflation plus interest on top of that. So, you get 9. 62% from the government. Hm.
53:15
Like, that's good, right?
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And And granted, that can change with inflation and all of that, but like, I'll lock in that rate any day.
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Like, I'll go for that for sure.
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So, you know, I You can If you have $100, you can do it.
53:29
This is applicable to pretty much everyone, right?
53:31
Not Not investment advice, but No, it's totally investment advice.
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But, if you use code Kev Kev Yeah, exactly.
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With the government website, use code Cairo.
53:38
And identify as child of No, it's just it's it's one of those things where it's like to when you talk about kind of a good year in the stock market, you're talking, you know, 10% is what you're kind of hoping for on average. Yeah, for sure.
53:55
And and that's with a lot of risk, right?
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And the fact that you can get a US government bond and it's going to yield you 9.
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62 right now, like that's that's just like free money.
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So I mean listen If the government defaults on their bonds, yes, come after me.
54:09
But Well, I'll be a lawyer. Let me hear you. Well, yeah.
54:12
Well, I'll have some And there'll be marauder trucks on the road.
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By that point, it'll be hard to find Kevin. Yeah, exactly.
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But anyway, I got this that was worth bringing up.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's just like never I I I touched Clearly if I'm asking if it's I bond with an E Y E, I've never heard of any other.
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So right there with you, folks.
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Uh I got I got two today for my kids and I'm just going to like put that as car money for the future. Yeah.
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Just let it go and then when it expires, I'll go and reinvest it and yeah, it's it's good. Cool.
54:41
I bond I bonds with an I. Little hack.
54:43
So I got a couple I I'm not sure this is is a hack, but I'll just I'll lump it in or include it because it relates to thematically the stuff that's going on in my mind.
54:55
And that is I watched a masterclass.
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It's a company is masterclass.
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They have all these various instructionals for people in every discipline you can imagine, including a number of that I've already mentioned, like Neil Gaiman.
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And they had one with Amy Tan, who's a very famous novelist.
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And the first few segments in particular I found incredibly compelling and she's so eloquent, also.
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She's she seems to speak in finished prose and I only know a few people like that.
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And it always just blows my mind that they're able to do that.
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Sam Harris would be another one. Waking up app.
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Remember This is a side note, I don't think Sam would mind me asking.
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At one point, uh I was listening to his many meditations and I listened to one and I texted him and I said, "Sam, is there any chance I could get the text for like the X, Y, and Z episode?"
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And he's like, "What do you mean, the text?"
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And I'm like, "The script that you used for recording the A, B, and C part of that episode."
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And he goes, "Oh, I don't I don't use scripts."
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I was like and I was like, "Oh, yeah, you and I are just different animals, different species entirely."
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So, the That's impressive he just wings it cuz it's good it's good content.
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mean, he is yeah, he he just has different hardware uh and it's a it's not just a it's not born that way.
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I recognize it's also a a skill that he's developed.
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But, Amy Tan similar, very very well-spoken and extremely good at explaining how she approaches different facets of fiction and how she has pulled from her own life.
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She also has an entire segment where she goes through all of the rejection letters or at least some of the some of the most notable of the rejection letters that she got in the beginning, just rejection after rejection after rejection.
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What was cool that you don't see, at least I didn't see when I got a lot of my rejections, is fiction editors in a number of cases gave her great feedback on her manuscript.
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So, they read the whole thing and then they were like, "This is This is what you could do to improve this part and here are three other things you could do to really strengthen this aspect of it."
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You just, at least in my experience, don't get that from rejections in nonfiction.
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So, it was it was cool to see not just how she thought about responding to criticism.
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She's actually really grateful for a lot of the letters.
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But, also how much she gained from the feedback and then Mhm.
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used to iterate her fiction, which is just fantastic.
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Do you do the monthly on that Master Class or do you do the yearly? I did neither.
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In this particular case, I got a freebie.
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A freebie on like Delta Airlines or United or something.
57:40
I just keep getting billed for that [ __ ] It drives me nuts.
57:43
I always think I'm going to like watch a bunch of them, you know? And I sign up for them. still paying for match.
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com and because I could not figure out how to cancel the thing.
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And it's like I haven't used match in like 20 years.
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So, you're welcome, match. com. Yeah.
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I still get [ __ ] on those episodes.
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There's like two or three things I just can't figure out how to cancel.
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Because seriously, and and you know what's funny is they I figured it out.
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They only bill you close to midnight because they know the push notifications come through.
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The other night I was up late and it was like 11:30 and I had one of those pop down and it was the yearly thing, yeah.
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And I'm like, you [ __ ] And then I went to bed and I I don't even know who it is. I forgot. But they they got me. It sucks.
58:30
Ugh, you know, hey, that's what growth hacking's for. Yeah, exactly. Uh let's see here. So, physical training.
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I've been thinking a lot about physical training.
58:38
I have a a gut now, dude.
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I have a little bit of a gut. I mean, look at this.
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Look at this tiny [ __ ] You're You're as fat as I am. You're like I am not. I am not. kidding me?
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No, you're like fat You're like You're like fat bastard from Austin Powers. Let me see it. Let me see.
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Okay, I'm definitely skinnier than you, dude.
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What are you talking You won't even Oh, no, no. feel that.
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Okay, you're a little skinnier.
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I mean, look, I'm not proud of it. I am not proud.
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Uh and I'm not going to blame it on age, although I guess I will say things are slowing down, that's for sure. Yeah.
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Uh but I have actually lost a decent amount of this baby fat using a couple of I'm not baby fat anymore. It's geriatric fat.
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with a few simple things.
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One is a sled, so I have something called the XPO Trainer that is a mechanically assisted or say mechanically resisted sled, so you don't have to load it with plates.
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And it's on inflatable I think they're inflatable.
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One may be solid rubber tire, so you can use them on say a driveway.
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And I've been using the XPO Trainer plus some jump rope, which is very minimal. Jump rope is hard.
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Yeah, I do that for like 5 or 10 minutes.
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It's Doesn't it kill you?
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I did jump rope recently.
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I was like dead afterwards. It's hard, yeah.
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Yeah, that's kind of the point in the beginning, so but like I I thought it was going to be like some schoolyard [ __ ] That shit's difficult. it's hard. It's hard.
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So, I'll do I'll do the jump rope, then the XPO Trainer, and then kettlebells.
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And I have some alternation, but most mornings I will do some combination of these things.
1:00:19
And I've been doing I mean, it's pretty easy for me to do intermittent fasting, so I'm just doing late lunch, early dinner Mhm. typically.
1:00:28
Can we get one of those croissants in the morning I was telling you about? I mean, look, man.
1:00:31
I haven't seen you in what?
1:00:33
Like 27 years, so Yeah, just I mean, if I use travel as vacation equals I can eat butter cookies anytime I want, I'm going to turn I will turn into Fat Bastard from Austin Powers, which is not the look I'm going for, especially I can imagine bald Fat Bastard. It's not good. No, you don't want that. No. All right. What else you got here?
1:00:53
Um yeah, so I think the last thing for me was that I did one of these full body scans. What? Oh, yeah.
1:01:01
So, oh yeah, Darius is telling me this true.
1:01:03
I do I do super No, we're not cutting a video of me doing Supernatural.
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I do a VR workout called Supernatural three times a week. Have you tried this?
1:01:13
I've no idea what you're talking about.
1:01:14
Oh my god, we can have to get Tim to do it right after this, right?
1:01:16
Yes, you're going to freak out, dude. Okay? It's really good. I hate VR. It's stupid. This is amazing.
1:01:24
Yeah, well, I I love that you've been like short VR for like the last 10 years.
1:01:28
And I've made good money being short VR.
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But you you now own a VR device.
1:01:31
Yeah, well, I've had a VR device.
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Like you have to play with all the latest [ __ ] if you're technologist. Yeah, all right.
1:01:37
I'm just saying that like it's dumb except for this app. This app is amazing.
1:01:42
So, Supernatural is a is it's a like a you have two lightsabers, Okay.
1:01:46
and you have to slice [ __ ] in the air.
1:01:48
And it sounds like it's not Fruit Ninja.
1:01:50
It's like way better than that. It's done to music.
1:01:52
It's choreographed to music. It's amazing. Okay.
1:01:56
Tim, you're going to Sounds amazing.
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I mean, look, lightsabers, chopping things, Yeah, you choreographed to music, I mean, that's three for three for me. So.
1:02:04
Anyway, Supernatural is how I get my um my hit in every almost like every other day, pretty much.
1:02:09
So, so more more slicing and less jump rope. Yeah. You'll like it. We'll try it.
1:02:14
And more more croissants.
1:02:15
We're going to try it afterwards.
1:02:17
Um so, that's my big thing.
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The other thing I was going to say is I did one of those full body MRI scans. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:23
Yeah, we should talk about this.
1:02:24
This is something I need to get on. Yeah.
1:02:26
So, yeah, I you know what?
1:02:28
Honestly, it was like I don't know if it was my mom getting cancer.
1:02:32
I think I did it before that.
1:02:33
But like I was just one of those things where I got to the stage in life where I had a couple little girls and I'm like, uh you know, I uh Tia was telling me.
1:02:41
He was like, "Hey, you know, you can do these.
1:02:43
You're at the age now where it makes sense.
1:02:46
See if anything shows up.
1:02:46
They can detect like it it's it's it's something like 80% of cancers at stage one, which is amazing. Yeah.
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And so, I was like, "Okay, let's do it."
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So, I went and did it 2 years ago, came back, you know, all the standard stuff.
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Like, "Oh, we see this here, but you know, that's normal, la la like this is a little bit weird.
1:03:05
You have an extra vertebrae," which I actually do, which is weird.
1:03:08
Um so, oh oh A little vestigial tail. Yeah, exactly.
1:03:10
A bunch of [ __ ] like that.
1:03:17
So, uh I I do that and then I go for year two.
1:03:20
I go and get the scan again and they call me up and they're they're like "Yeah, it turns out you have a little brain aneurysm."
1:03:27
A little a little small brain aneurysm.
1:03:29
I'm like I'm like, "What the [ __ ] Like this is crazy. Okay, tell me more."
1:03:33
And then after the fact, like a month later, or not a month later, but a few weeks later, my doctor calls them and says, "Hey, what what do we see on the first scan?"
1:03:43
They found it on the first scan as well.
1:03:45
It hadn't changed, which is great. Yeah. And it's super tiny.
1:03:48
It's the smallest My doctor said, "If they hadn't been using the latest tech, they wouldn't even have detected it at all cuz it was so small."
1:03:55
So, it's only 1 mm and they don't treat them till they get to 7 mm.
1:03:59
So, it's like it's totally fine.
1:04:01
You want to keep your blood pressure low and all that, but it's also it's weird because in some sense, like you want to detect those stage one cancers, but there's a lot of false positives.
1:04:10
Not that this is a false positive.
1:04:11
It's something to pay attention to.
1:04:13
Certainly changing my dietary actions in terms of keeping sodium low and like lowering my blood pressure.
1:04:18
But it's something you should do.
1:04:20
Which is why we're having croissants and coffee tomorrow. Exactly.
1:04:24
Well, I mean, that's like going to mess with my blood pressure. [ __ ] with you.
1:04:26
But you know, it's it's like So, how I mean, was that I would imagine that to be terrifying. I Yeah.
1:04:33
It's 45 minutes, so it's fast.
1:04:33
And they Not the procedure.
1:04:35
The review of the results.
1:04:38
Yeah, I mean, you go through it and I have a couple spots on my brain and they they told me, "You're allowed one per decade."
1:04:44
And so, they're like, "You're fine.
1:04:45
You have, you know, two or three, whatever, that's fine."
1:04:47
I'm like, "Okay, this still doesn't sound good." Don't worry.
1:04:50
It's like a bruised apple, but that's fine.
1:04:52
Yeah, and then they're like they're like, "Your lymph nodes" This is the first scan.
1:04:55
They're like, "Your lymph nodes are really swollen on the left side." I'm like, "Cool.
1:04:58
Like what does that mean?"
1:05:00
And then they're like, "Did you get your your COVID vaccine on that side?" I'm like, "Yeah, I did."
1:05:05
They're like, "Okay, that's why."
1:05:06
And then that would turn out to be fine.
1:05:08
And then, you know, they found like some other [ __ ] Like there's a little bit of like a a little a little tail.
1:05:15
No, there's like a a little like like I have this little tiny bulge in my right nut sack but then it's just it's kind of like the the little stringy thing that connects to the sack kind of bulges out a little bit and they're like that's totally normal. It's not cancer. You're fine. Blah blah.
1:05:29
So like you know, it's just little [ __ ] like that where you're just like cool.
1:05:35
Oh my god, I can't wait until our random shows when we're like in our 60s and 70s.
1:05:39
It's just going to be a my prostate injuries and prostate complaints. Oh my god.
1:05:45
So I still have Let me just rewind so I make sure No, just make sure I'm hearing you correctly.
1:05:52
So were you pissed that they did not catch it the first time around? Yeah.
1:05:57
That they didn't spot it the first time around.
1:05:59
I think it was it was so small that they just they have different It's not a radiologist.
1:06:04
Whoever it is that reviews it.
1:06:05
It's probably radiologist. I think it is.
1:06:09
I think the first one was like this is so insignificant I don't even need to call it out and the second one called it out. Yeah.
1:06:14
They were just like and then they compared the notes and it was fine.
1:06:18
This is the story I haven't told.
1:06:20
A friend of mine went in, had a scan, they found a growth in his brain, non-cancerous, a decent size, operated, removed it, he's fine, but he didn't even know he had it and he was just going in for for a thing and it was growing and and it saved his life most likely. That's That's wild.
1:06:38
And so it's [ __ ] like that and the and the the radiologist when I talked to him he said the number he goes I don't really drink.
1:06:46
He goes but the number of bottles of wine I get in the mail from people that are like you saved my life cuz you found this at stage one or stage two. I don't know.
1:06:54
It's just one of those things where get your diagnostics, folks.
1:06:58
And I mean do it more Hate to say this but like don't don't push out the interval.
1:07:03
If you're supposed to get something every five years, if anything, get it more frequently. Don't push it out.
1:07:07
I had so I have recently had the opposite experience with a friend of mine who went in for a routine exam, stage four cancer, terminal.
1:07:19
Holy [ __ ] And I just spent several days with him and uh not because not because I don't want to give specifics just in case people like try and triangulate stuff, but it's metastasized and at this point surgery, at least some types of surgery, don't make any sense.
1:07:39
And man, if you want a proof point for what someone can do with decades of meditation practice, he is incredibly upbeat. He's super happy.
1:07:54
He is as productive as he can be.
1:08:00
He's spending a lot of time with loved ones, of course.
1:08:05
But he is consciously choosing of all the decision trees a path of gratitude and not naive optimism, but optimism in the sense of looking at everything as Mhm. the glass half full.
1:08:25
And I was so inspired by this because I'm going through some hard stuff myself and to see someone in those circumstances able to demonstrate that, it just blew my mind. Yeah.
1:08:39
And I've spent I know him well enough and we've had enough interactions.
1:08:42
I I know it is not an act. It is not an act.
1:08:45
And I'm really impressed because that's not automatically the case.
1:08:50
I mean, there are people, including famous famous meditators who are world-famous teachers who on their deathbeds or in the process of going through hospice just say over and over again to their closest friends like, I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I don't want to die.
1:09:05
And they're afraid, which is understandable. I might be that person. I mean, certainly.
1:09:10
I've no confidence that I would end up responding the way my friend is responding, but it's been incredibly inspiring. Wow.
1:09:17
Yeah, and uh I mean, certainly sad in its own way, but a real gift that he's also giving those around him. It's incredible.
1:09:27
How are you doing with the dealing with all that?
1:09:31
Uh you mean with with his situation?
1:09:33
a friend to see having a friend go through something like that, you know?
1:09:37
Uh Are you going to see him again, do you think, before he passes, or is it something that's like I would like to.
1:09:40
I mean, it's I I don't know how long the time horizon is.
1:09:42
It's it's uh it may not be that long.
1:09:49
I am doing well with it because of how he is able to choose to respond to this unfolding story.
1:10:08
Of course, it's sad on a number of levels, right?
1:10:10
But I mean, we're all we all have a one-way ticket, as far as we know. Yeah. You know?
1:10:15
My my dad, before he passed, said there's no lease on life.
1:10:19
He just like wanted to remind me of that.
1:10:20
Like just like, you know, it's coming for all of us. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
1:10:24
And it's and it's not something you want to think about all the time, but you think about it none of the time, you also have a problem.
1:10:31
And this this has been a very strong reminder for me.
1:10:33
It's like, yeah, get it together, you know?
1:10:38
Like When I had uh Don't dick around too much. Like have fun.
1:10:43
Don't take everything seriously, but also realize that like every moment you have like this, not to get all cheesy, but it's like these are precious, amazing moments. Yeah. Everybody's healthy. Yeah.
1:10:55
I think about that with my girls every day, dude. It with the kids.
1:11:01
You know, um I had Sam Harris on the podcast a while ago, a couple years ago, and we talked about the Buddhist monk that was sitting in a meditative pose on the cover of Rage Against the Machine that doused himself in gasoline in defiance of the local government and lit himself on fire and did not flinch.
1:11:21
And this has been recorded. Yeah.
1:11:21
And there was pictures and everything else. Video. Video, too. move. Yeah.
1:11:26
Holy [ __ ] You want to talk about meditation really working? Like, oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, I can't do that.
1:11:36
I can I can barely stay in a cold plunge this morning for 3 minutes. So. Yeah.
1:11:40
I was in the sauna today.
1:11:40
I was like, 15 minutes ago I was going to make it 20.
1:11:44
Okay, I'm going to go for it. Yeah.
1:11:47
Yeah, it's I mean, it's uh You know, all these things are kind of pointing at by all these things, I I guess I'm bookending some of our earlier discussion that touched on psychedelics and I mentioned psychiatry and these sort of tectonic plate shifts that I think are are currently underway, but will be most noticeable 5, 10 years from now.
1:12:14
And the types of feats that we're describing all point to severe I think under appreciation for what we are capable of in terms of shaping mind and consciousness. Yeah.
1:12:35
Right, because lighting yourself on fire and not flinching should not be possible. No. I'm not Yeah. Clearly.
1:12:40
Not even David Blaine can do one Yeah.
1:12:43
No one wants to end up having to test that, but there are a lot of outcomes that we're seeing say in treating various diagnoses related to I don't want to say mental illness but psychiatric conditions that are considered intractable or extremely difficult to treat and some of the outcomes that we're seeing which are not solely produced through psychedelics.
1:13:08
I don't want to make psychedelics sound like a panacea of any type. They're not.
1:13:10
They have some in some cases very significant risks.
1:13:16
But it's it's clear that many of the paradigms through which we've treated patients specifically with any type of what we would consider mental illness is is likely resting on a number of assumptions that are completely untrue. Yeah. And that's exciting. It's really exciting.
1:13:37
I remember our friend Dr.
1:13:37
Weil 20 years ago was speaking about chemotherapy and said how barbaric it will look in the future.
1:13:48
And it turns out that is actually true.
1:13:50
We have immunotherapy now.
1:13:52
My mom's going through it.
1:13:52
Like there's a lot of these things that are very very promising and we're just like a few years away from some really exciting breakthroughs.
1:13:58
I'm not sure if you saw that that near Times article about the uh it was like eight out of eight patients cured with this new type of immunotherapy in cancer. No. Did you see that?
1:14:07
It was a groundbreaking crazy study about this new type of immunotherapy that's just now coming out there soon.
1:14:12
But I'd imagine the same is true for psychedelics, right?
1:14:16
Like you know, 20 years from now they'll have honed it in Yeah.
1:14:20
and figured out the right dose, the right I mean they may even modify those molecules.
1:14:24
Like who knows where it's going to go but it's going to be exciting.
1:14:27
It is going to be exciting.
1:14:30
I I think the you know, we're all driven by our beliefs, right?
1:14:38
These thoughts we take to be true and assumptions even scientists are subject to this, right?
1:14:46
I mean, scientists are not robots.
1:14:49
And so, you have anyone doing anything comes in with certain set of of uh biases or biases.
1:15:02
And in psychedelics, you see also in the in the psychedelic for-profit sector, you see a lot of motivated reasoning where you you have a number of split camps and different kind of schisms within these communities.
1:15:19
And one of them is between camp A.
1:15:22
And camp A believes that many of the clinical outcomes for depression and PTSD and so on are driven by the content of an experience.
1:15:34
And the narrative that you can restructure uh after you observe it for the first time, perhaps, right?
1:15:38
The software that's that's behind many of your decisions.
1:15:42
Blah blah blah blah blah.
1:15:43
They think it's the content.
1:15:43
In which case, if that is your belief, and in an ideal world, you'd be able to test these things definitively, and many people are making attempts at this, but it's it's really challenging.
1:15:55
Then, you want enough workspace to allow all that to play out.
1:15:59
So, let's just say psilocybin and having a session of 4 to 6 hours would be viewed as a feature and not a bug.
1:16:08
Then, you have camp B, which is saying, "Oh, yeah, all those hallucinations, terrible side effects.
1:16:15
Really, what's happening is on this structural level, and this type of XYZ is happening to this receptor and da da da.
1:16:22
And we can do all of that if we change the molecule without the psychedelic effects and also press it into like a 30-minute session, and that will copy and paste into our current medical formatting much more easily.
1:16:35
But, there's a profit motive there, right?
1:16:39
Because if you can if you can scale something in that way and reduce some of the quote-unquote side effects and also patent it.
1:16:46
Yeah, and absolutely patent it.
1:16:48
And then also make it a drug that you need to take at least twice a week or maybe even every day instead of once a month or once every 3 months.
1:16:59
That they're a bad thing though?
1:17:02
It's not automatically a bad thing, but I just think it's important for folks to be aware of incentives and to track incentives, right?
1:17:08
So Cuz then it just turns into another a better antidepressant, which is not necessarily a bad thing. necessarily a bad thing.
1:17:14
It depends on how the antidepressant is achieving its effects, right?
1:17:17
And there are immediate There are immediate changes that can be beneficial in a whole host of different situations with medicine generally speaking, right?
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So with the pharmacological intervention It's like if you're if you're bleeding out and you need a coagulant, like you don't want the you don't have to wait a long time for that to work.
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And similarly, it's like if you are suffering from suicidal ideation and are at risk of harming or killing yourself, you need something that's going to work really quickly, in which case just putting this out there is like intravenous ketamine treatment may be one thing, right?
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may be a may be something you consider.
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It's not going to fix all of your problems, but it's going to stop the immediate bleeding, so to speak, right?
1:18:05
Isn't that what they do if someone comes in and they're about to commit suicide, don't they give them IV ketamine?
1:18:09
Like I've heard that's a thing.
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I don't know what it looks like.
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Actually, I'd love to hear from people in the audience who who know how something like that is triaged in an ER, right?
1:18:18
If somebody shows up and maybe a loved one brought them and they're like, "I'm going to blow my head off."
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Uh I would I mean I would have to imagine there's like sedation, maybe they use some hypnotics. They might use ketamine.
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I don't know, but in a I had heard that once.
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I do know I know a number of people who were on the verge of blowing their heads off who with competent supervised uh ketamine assisted therapy I mean literally within one or two sessions were able to say, "I don't know what I was so upset about.
1:18:52
Like I can't even believe believe I was so wound up about that." And that's incredible.
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It's not a indefinite fix.
1:19:03
But to answer your question to come back, like there are cases in which I think it makes sense to have some type of maintenance dose, right?
1:19:09
So let's just say you're able to strip out a bunch of the hallucinogenic or psychedelic effects from LSD and it remains incredibly effective for cluster headaches, which is actually one indication.
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And the best combination of effect and minimizing side effects is to have like some small dose four or five days a week. Great. Fantastic.
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But if you're trying to process or contend with some type of childhood trauma that has been plaguing your automatic behaviors and maybe addictions, perhaps you know, self destructive or otherwise destructive behaviors then I don't know if what we need is a maintenance drug.
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There may be more psychological surgery required for that.
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In which case perhaps the content does play a meaningful role.
1:20:04
I happen to believe that's the case. In in many instances.
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But 10 years from now, psychedelics is going to be crazy because it it's subject to these market forces and these incentives.
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So, you know, don't ask a barber if you need a haircut kind of situation.
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You go to an orthopedic surgeon and you're like, "Do I need surgery?"
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They're not all going to say you need surgery, but they have a certain incentive to do surgery.
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Uh as realizing that in advance is is important.
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But I I do think what we will find through the study of psychedelics is even if psychedelics as compounds were to disappear 10 years from now, let's just say, let's just say they go back to being they are reclassified rescheduled, right?
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And then all over the place and then who knows?
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Like some senator's kid jumps off a balcony and then the whole thing goes kaput and it's thrown back into psychedelic scientific winter.
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Even if that's the case within the next 10 to 15 years, I think we will learn so many new things about the functioning of the mind and processing of trauma, metabolizing of difficult experience and issues such as treatment-resistant depression, complex PTSD that the treatment paradigms will shift even if the compounds disappear, which I don't think they will.
1:21:38
And I also think there's so many indications that do not require high doses of psychedelics, which will be well treated with lower doses of psychedelics.
1:21:48
So I'm excited to to see what bears out. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Awesome.
1:21:53
Anything else you want to cover?
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I think that's it for me. Yeah. I'm I'm good as well. That was awesome.
1:22:01
Yeah, good to see you, brother.
1:22:01
Yeah, good to see you, too, man.
1:22:04
Thanks for Thanks for having me over for dinner.
1:22:05
Yeah, sitting on our our couch here. Mr.
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Toast is in the background for those watching the audience. Yeah, yeah. 12 and doing well. Yeah. Passed out.
1:22:13
So, you know, not that long Well, it is I mean, it is long ago.
1:22:15
Not in like historical uh evolutionary terms, but in like our lifetime terms, a while ago, like we had a we had a shot very much like this in San Francisco in one of your I don't want to I don't want to say first apartments, but earlier apartments with a couch like this and Toast walked by as a puppy and chewed through one of these XLR cables suddenly.
1:22:42
Back then I had a little bit of hair. That's right.
1:22:44
I think it's crazy that you had hair back then. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird.
1:22:49
Somebody was asking me they're like, "Yeah, but you could probably figure out how to regrow hair."
1:22:53
And I'm like, "Yeah, but if I just suddenly like disappeared for 6 months and then reappeared like a huge mop on my head I mean that's what Elon Musk did.
1:23:00
Did you see the early Elon Musk pictures where he was Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could do it.
1:23:05
I could do it, but A, I don't I don't feel the need.
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B, I just think especially from my friends, I would get so much endless [ __ ] Do you think he should do it?
1:23:15
I'm asking Dari right now. She said no. No. No. Yeah, yeah. It's Tim Tim, yeah. Mr. Clean. I've grown into the Mr. Clean look. I'm good. I'm good with it. Uh all right, brother. All right.
1:23:26
We'll do this again in a few months. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
1:23:31
See more of each other in person. All right. Peace. Peace.