they're now instead of challenges or problems they're friends that I can bring closer and sit down and calm them down so that they don't rattle me because at the end of the day I'm still the one in control the best-selling author and host the number one Health and Wellness podcast on purpose with Jay Shetty
hey everyone welcome back to this very special episode of on purpose thanks to our partners a better help for this episode today I'm joined with jesujo licensed therapist and head of clinical operations at betterhelp also I just want to remind you that just because you might hear something on the show that
sounds similar to what you're experiencing beware of self-diagnosis you want to find a qualified professional to assess and explore diagnosis if that's important to you better help would like me to mention the following trigger warnings for racism bullying and relationships with food today we're joined by a very special
guest yulado Sam who's going to be sharing his own experiences his own thoughts his own journey in the world and in life through his lens and our goal with these episodes is to show you the insides or the inner workings of what a therapy session can look like so what we're going to be doing is guiding
you Lotto through some therapy questions that is going to help him reflect uh share his experiences share his thoughts in a way that hopefully shows you that therapy is accessible it's approachable and I'm hoping that these give you a sense of what a real session could look
like for you so that if you've had any fears or any doubts or any challenges with finding a therapist or going to therapy that hopefully some of those will go away and of course hopefully you download better help and use it in your life to make therapy really accessible and affordable and approachable for you
so hey Sue it's always good to have you back in the studio yelato it's good to have you in the studio nice to meet you for the first time and for the few moments I've spent with you uh just now I can tell that you're very thoughtful uh reflective individual and so I'm grateful that you've allowed us this
opportunity to be a part of this experience thank you so much for bringing me into the space um as always curating a space of Wellness is something that is really necessary but also difficult to do so already the fact that we have this easy breath and you know the nerves and Jitters aren't necessarily bubbling to
the top I'm really excited to be able to have this conversation with you both I'd love to hear more a bit about you and then that can go further into what you would like to talk about today first and foremost I'll say I'm from the land of wood and water the birthplace of Reggae
Dance all and the fastest man and woman on the planet none other than Kingston Jamaica so you have to represent you know um but outside of that growing up I've always been into Athletics and I come from a really unique family structure my mom's from England but my brother and I born and raised in Jamaica and on top of
that we have this eclectic sense of family and as I was maturing my mom sort of saw an opportunity where my mental health was concerned moving from spaces and schools where there were so many things brought together all at one time growing up in Jamaica you realize that once you get to a particular school
probably high school which starts in grade seven there are so many communities that come together all at one time it's not as spaced out as the United States so on an island you can have someone that lives two three parishes over that starts their journey to school at 5am in the city where we were and I just happened to have a
challenging time where my mental health was concerned and that was when I met Dr Agri irons it was a really unique experience because I was so young I didn't even know what therapy was but in this space not only were we dealing with anxiety and depression but we were also dealing with family structure how can I
show up as the best version of myself so that I can be the best brother that I can be older brother at that and then also simultaneously be the best son that I can be because the that was my first sense of Duty that I can really think of outside of being my own individual I realized I had this other title I had
sun and then soon thereafter I had big brother and I really started to find out what those two terms meant through sitting down with Dr irons you really connect with other people and I see that identity is really tied to context of view and relationship with with your family yeah family is where it starts I
believe and then we open from that to culture because then the wider scope or The Wider lens looks at the fact that this really nuanced and um I would say it was somewhat of a benefit that was offered to me and my brother wasn't something that a lot of people around me had the opportunity to
experience and I thank my mom for working so hard for that because it's been something that has shaped the relation that I have with both of them to this very day and so in those spaces I realized that relating to other people is not just something that you do to survive or to move yourself forward but
it's something that's actually necessary to humanity we can't sort of exist isolated and finding ways of communicating are super important as we've learned over the last maybe two and a half years as well so I'm glad that those skills have sort of stuck with me skills of being able to communicate relate with other people you
mentioned your mom saw an opportunity that's the way that you mentioned to get you into you know what a lot of people will say Services into therapy you are struggling what would you say you remember about your own struggle not what your mom noticed about you but what did you feel and if you even remember
that kind of thing I can honestly say in the simplest form the things that I remember are being exceptionally present with myself but not fully understanding what that meant so there are these things happening internally there are these thoughts that are running a little faster than I can
keep up with my body's responding in particular ways that I'm not able to check and really bring back and before I knew it I was competing heavily in track and field it's something I did all the way up through college ran internationally as well and I found myself constantly in this not just a
space of Doubt but then also saying I'm not the biggest on the field and sometimes when you perform in uh like a space like Jamaica where we have like the biggest high school track and field meet in the Western Hemisphere High School Champs um there's a lot of pressure because again We're a nation where this is one
of the ways that you can make your your way out big up to Usain Bolt us off a Powell um hands of parchment those are some of the people that I had the fortune of whether being able to watch train or being part of a high performance track team with Fitz Coleman those individuals brought me into a space where I saw what
was tangible and I put a lot of pressure on myself um not just uh to perform but then also to make a mark my desire was to make a mark on the world and that was the first way I understood it and combination of like just being in high school going through puberty and then also performing at a high level in a sport put me in
this intersection of well who's helping this athlete to process what he's feeling on and off the track and I think that's the opportunity that my mom saw because there was a big moment in high school where I just everything froze and it was my actual my first absence seizure that I realized that I had and that was the
impetus to say hey he's not having the craziest of physical responses and that's how I ended up in my first therapy session and in in that session I imagine you had a lot going on you said something really poignant here about like being extremely self-aware but not understanding what that means
and now you're reflecting on that later in life you've gone through a lot of things including that therapy so what do you understand about yourself now that's different from then when I was small there were the doubts the pressures the as my favorite author Anthony C Winkler would say like the little pasta that's
in your head that's telling you right from wrong the voice that isn't yours yet the voice that is probably Societies or your families that is there to guide you but no one necessarily sits down and allows that process to be um a very present one where we detail like how are you feeling actually what
are you thinking about and how does life feel for you and your little body right now as you continue to develop and so in reflecting now I realize that I'm more skilled with these techniques I'm more patient with them as well um as a kid you sort of want to understand you want to do you want to
get done and yet at the same time you don't have the understanding of how to process all of that and you might Center yourself under all the isms and schisms that are around you and so now I found that I give myself a bit more space to breathe give myself a little bit more time to relate not just to
um myself but to my environment and then I'm able to like analyze a bit more and that allows me then with even some of the things that I still deal with today that may not have disappeared but they're now instead of challenges or problems they're friends that I can bring closer you know and sit down and calm them down
so that they don't rattle me because at the end of the day I'm still the one in control um my emotions are a reflection of the internal side but they're actually not what makes the decisions Hey sir I just wanted to maybe just share a few observations for our viewers and listeners back at home or wherever you
are what I love about watching a therapy session in this way or a conversation with a therapist is you get to notice the really attentive listening that Jesu has of like finding like something very specific that you said and using that as an opportunity to ask a follow-up question which we don't always get in
our day-to-day life I was I was thinking about if you were sharing your very honest truth on an everyday basis sometimes our friends and family they can be really well intentioned but it's really hard for them to ask a question that does Justice to what you just shared and and to really create a space
of listening very attentively and I could see what ASU was picking out and I'm sure you felt it too that you you had to sit and think oh wow yeah I just said that like what does that really mean um and I think that that's one of the beauties of therapy as well that you actually have someone who's sitting with
you who is listening far more attentively and skillfully than than most of the people we meet uh every single day and then I was also just reflecting to what you said I I think that a lot of our listeners will be able to empathize with what it feels like being a young person who has pressure on them
so whether it's sports or Athletics or whether it's dance or gymnastics or whether it's swimming or whether it's you know whatever it is that any of us did When We Were Young I think everyone can empathize with that experience of feeling like I'm not big enough I'm not the F I'm not fast enough I'm not uh
skillful enough like and and I can't can't even imagine what it begins to feel also when you feel that that is a method in your nation to to create some you know impact in your life like that if you add that layer to it that's you know a really remarkable layer so I just wanted to share some of those
Reflections quickly from what I was hearing as well uh through this session so if you're listening or watching right now uh I hope you're appreciating and taking in all of these cues thank you I mean you're noting I think a very key difference from talking to people that you care about that care about you your friends your
family the folks that you generally want to turn to first when you're going through something oftentimes when they respond when the folks that love you are listening to you speak they're trying to respond in a way that's kind of like emotionally tied up in who you are in the relationship so you're listening
to respond with you in that response what therapists are generally doing are listening to respond to you with you in mind I'm not responding with like anything that has to do with my life or trying to connect it to something about me and that's what people do that's what friends do with each other is I'm going
to respond in a way that helps us connect on this friend level so I'm gonna bring it back to like oh that reminds me of a time when I was in high school and I was running track like you're gonna find that therapist generally don't do that very much because the focus should remain on the
client so that is something that is is intentional and something that somebody can expect when they go to therapy is this person is here with undivided attention to you which most of us don't get in our everyday life with anybody definitely you know it allows for a relationship to form but it is different it's different than what
you're gonna have with your friends you know your loved ones yeah like it's like that small bridge between them maybe like a sympathetic relationship versus an empathetic relationship which the sympathetic to my understanding is oh I've experienced that too I know what that feels like whereas what we're
noting now is just sitting down with the person and being like I actually heard what you said and you mentioned this would you like to speak more about that which allows for the person that's actually going through something or the person that is coming for help to actually express what they
need without um this other perspective interfering and not to say that it isn't helpful sometimes because I I do believe that in these sessions there are obviously moments of the oh I know what you mean by that yet at the same time they come even at more specific instances and so it's really a pleasure
because also as a man of color having these conversations too can lead to some very nuanced moments where those lines sort of get blurred for one or many reasons so this definitely feels great speaking of connecting things back to something you just said what are these lines that get blurred well I think I
found that for me I've been fortunate to have individuals of color black men and women for the longer sessions that I've I've been able to commit to and I say to commit to because there's a reality that therapy isn't always as affordable or convenient with the world that we we live in and so we're trying to through
something like this make it feel more tangible and more accessible to people but then being in America I have found that if I do happen to work with a therapist that may be of a different ethnicity or a different race there are some times where um depending if I haven't done enough research or we haven't had enough time
together those lines of like well I don't get to talk about this often let's actually investigate this when the this that they're investigating isn't what's most important to me it's the that um and the only reason I'm able to have that a little bit extra of awareness is because my experience lets me know that
I should be able to speak about the the that and not the this you know it's if I'm understanding it sounds like you've had experiences where the person in front of you is focusing in on something but that isn't necessarily what you want to talk about um but it sounds like you're over there
kind of taking care of this other person too thinking like oh I can understand why you would want to focus on that so then you go with that which takes the focus of that so what is the that for you right now what is something going on with you right now I'll share this is actually a genuine concern of mine
um I've recently moved into a new apartment um the first time it's me my one bedroom one bath taking care of myself congratulations thank you very much I appreciate that and one of the things I had to ask myself recently is how safe I am in my apartment we know the the context of what it means to to be in America and
thanks to Morehouse College my undergraduate experience that the world isn't as Fair sometimes and we have seen the stories on the news we hear it on the radio we see the social media posts um but Brianna Taylor's experience resonated with me in a very different way to know that you can be in your home in
your bed fast asleep that was something that it was real but now that I am a hundred percent on my own sitting in that space I ask myself how do not even how do I prevent that but is that a reality for me and the sad answer in some senses is yes there is the small chance that if I
haven't introduced myself properly to my neighbors or if I leave at different hours if I wear particular things I might be seen as suspicious instead of mysterious and cool you know that I always want to be that low-key sexy neighbor like oh my gosh he's leaving he said oh he's coming back you know but the reality that I
also have to navigate is that before they get to to meet me there are might actually be I guess colored by the Hue of my skin and it's something that I have to be aware of regardless of of where I am and it just so happens that I live here and so all the contextual matters of like what
it means to be black in America like sort of came back to me all at one time so thank you for sharing that for many other people who are describing to folks like I just moved into my first place of my own the first thing that a lot of people are going to think is like that's awesome congratulations that's amazing
and then you continue to share that actually you also have to be concerned about your safety this is not something that many people have to think about um and you know as you're speaking I also have a lot of my own emotional reaction to hearing you because our homes are supposed to be our sanctuaries
our homes are supposed to be the safest place where we can let our hair down where we can feel comfortable where we don't have to be on edge about anything what I'm hearing is up for you that is not always the reality yeah and you want me to believe in this progress right and yet at the same time on the
news I am able to literally see a physical representation of my features going through these extremely traumatic experiences right I'm seeing it not only um represented by people advocating for it but also sensationalized and um debated as to whether oh it's just or not when in reality there are so many faces
that look like mine that dream like I do that sound like I do that are slowly absorbing all of that information and without proper resources without spaces like this the discussion around empowering you in the face of that adversity is somewhat lost and that is probably one of the goals of being a
more house man it's to be a candle in the dark to represent that even though I know this reality is around me this Shadow might be following me that's a lot of pressure for yourself again a lot of pressure to be light in a very dark world so what are the things you'd say in your life that continue to motivate you to
overcome that pressure to meet that pressure I think of my my granddad that recently passed again we go back to family so needless to say my mom my brother my my grandmother my my family but outside of that in the world we get some small glimmers of Hope and one of the ideas that I constantly
have is what's my hope and that happens to be my art what gives me hope is a great story but a story that doesn't reflect a lot of the stereotypes I don't know if you all watched my favorite movie of the year thus far um everything everywhere all at once really fantastic movie outside of that
uh I love the world championships were earlier this summer you know big of Chilean Fraser price Elaine Thompson bigger Panzer part the whole like anytime I can see people like thriving um it's always big for me I I noted that there must be an immense pressure to continue to share this light that you
have inside of yourself with other people on top of also having to wonder if you're safe in your own home if you're safe in any space like you said um and it's hope that you come back to that allows you to move through this world continue navigating it gives you kind of the freedom to continue to see Beauty in
the world um what about times where it doesn't feel so easy to do that well this is where the skills kick in is it not and so it's going to the skills that I have or taking a moment um grounding myself and when I say grounding myself sometimes it's the difference between a shallow breath and an actual deep breath
and knowing the difference in my body of like what that actually feels like there's a lot of people don't know what it means to breathe you know below their rib cage and it's something that's uncanny to me because um as an athlete I was also never taught to breathe I learned about it's like an important thing that's the important
thing I learned about aerobic and anaerobic respiration but no one ever gave me an exercise to expand my lung capacity right I'm putting my body under duress I'm putting my body under stress I like to use Sports as an analogy sometimes for life right and yet still the one process that is going to go
whether or not your body is under that right the fire the part that fuels you is not so much so expounded on and so the skills really come into play when I'm not feeling my best um I typically in those dark moments either go to art go to my loves or go to my my family it's all still about connection
relationships you know being together um interconnectedness and it's making me think of intersectionality how things in in all of our Lives meet each other in some way it's clear that you're a person of the world that is absorbed you said that you know life is an active choice that you're doing all the time that you
have these skills that get you through the more challenging times can you share where you started learning these skills if nobody taught you how to breathe where did you learn how to do that I happen to be in these really amazing spaces collaborating with these great people and I ended up working with after
grad school um I ended up working with this Wellness brand and while we were there in that space that was my first introduction to um probably like mindfulness in that extent um sound healing those types of things and that was where there's a bit of Interest started to like develop
um but while I was pursuing my masters I was conducting research and what I found is that all cultures across the world what connects us to the eurobod the Greeks the Ashanti the Aztecs is the fact that we all have the same instrument can you actively make the decision to go to your breath can you actively
make the decision to just relax your shoulders relax your forehead stop biting on your jaw these are always the things that we don't realize that we're doing but no one is ever saying to you hey take a second and actually stop bracing because people think bracing means this you going out there and grabbing the
bull by that you know what I'm hearing is like even when maybe you were conscious of it or not people weren't teaching you things but you went out to be taught by the world in some way or another you're an active student of life it sounds like in that that Alaska learner and I'm also seeing
that this lifelong learner has taken all the beauty that he's found and you really want to share it with other people you you mention your family a lot and you mentioned art and art is something to be seen art is something to be experienced and something to move other people and it sounds like you've
been moved you want to move other people I definitely do how can I do my work so that my cup is somewhat full so that I can water the next person so that I can give just a little not everything because I need something for myself but I can't start until I've poured something as we've heard the angel
saying into the cup my mind keeps going back to something you said earlier um the pressure that I don't know if it's a pressure that you felt for yourself off but a lot of people in your community felt when you're in high school to achieve to perform in a particular space in order to get out I would be remiss if I don't ask like do
you feel that kind of thing still present in your life do you feel like there are pressures to get out of something even if I do happen to make it to the place where I'm financially free and I'm able to protect and provide for my family there's also this question which I'm sure both of you have asked yourself how
can I help the The Wider World The Wider Community um it's through things like this definitely but the beautiful aspect of it is that I don't think it ever stops because my reality is until I see things change in the world around me that means that there's still work to be done and the question that I I beg of myself
is what can I do you've said so many things that I I want to continue exploring with you but really it's like you've done quite a lot of self-exploration is what I'm hearing it's interesting hearing you both continuing the conversation I think a lot of the time people have an assumption that
therapy or conversations around therapy end up being like these deep dark secrets and these deep dark holes where it's like yeah I always feel like sometimes people feel they have to invent a huge problem before a therapy session and people feel like oh well if I don't have a really big problem in my life
then I don't need therapy and what I'm what I'm hearing today and and hearing this conversation is actually we're speaking to someone who has a great set of skills has some good good ideas and good thoughts but we're getting and I'm hoping you're feeling this way and you're the only person who can really tell us this but
there's a sense of like healthy reflection in and of yourself of your own ideas Jesus asking you questions that are making you pause and and stop and and really think about where some of these strengths are where they're not so I start looking at it so much more of a wholesome discussion as
opposed to like I'm like in an emergency situation where I have a problem and I need a therapist to solve it which is often a feeling I think people have where they're like I'm not going to go to therapy because I don't have that or I only go to therapy when I have something that extreme yeah
and people have shared with me that they get stressed out before sessions because they think that they're supposed to be prepared with this big problem that they're supposed to bring up or you know I've been asked like what am I supposed to bring to you am I supposed to become prepared with something do I need to have a topic on hand
um and I've shared with folks like it doesn't always have to be that way of course if you have a topic on hand that's something we're going to explore and dig deep into but you're right therapy can also just be about digging deep into you into um something that's going on now relating something that's happened in
the past to the present and it doesn't have to be deep and dark although that does happen in therapy um but it doesn't have to be that way it's not about like pathology or what's wrong with you or what's wrong with your mother or what wrong with anything sometimes it's so refreshing and healing
even if there's no wound there necessarily at the time but it's like a refreshing thing to be able to just look Inward and ReDiscover your values what's important to you because being able to reflect on this stuff externally I think on a regular basis allows you to continue nurturing your sense of self
and when you don't have a strong sense of self what it seems like you have a like what's stronger than strongest you know like a strong sense of self it is what allows you to you know have an outpouring of love for other people to instill hope in others um and continue to be influential inspirational these things don't happen
if you don't know who you are two things to that my grandma always says you shouldn't eat because you are hungry you should eat so that you do not get hungry this is coming from a woman that at some point knew what it meant to be right so I have learned that therapy isn't necessarily because you
need the help at the moment it's so that you can be prepared for that that moment where you might not actually have access to the therapist right um and then the second thing is that the issues that I think that I've gone through are actually like chilling they're actually a lot heavier than I
think maybe it sounds like in the moment but I had to realize that the issue is always going to be the issue it's your relationship to the issue that is positive or negative right life is going to be what life is it's your relationship to life that is either positive or negative it's a real thing for me when I'm in particular
neighborhoods um I remember like working and performing in in Europe and um the first time I was in Poland I remember what the response was to me when I walked into certain spaces but my relationship to those things is that again not only am I a candle in the dark that is allowed to feel what I feel but
then what can I do to shift this space to leave it better than I saw it you know like I am the one person here that was born in the United States I was born here I was raised here having said that I also look like someone that has this like Perpetual Foreigner label stuck to them
um regardless of having been born here raised here educated here I still encounter on a fairly regular basis the idea from other people that I don't really belong here that I am a visitor to this country um which is weird because I'm the most American one in this room right like and um I think that experience like ever
since I was very small because my parents who decided to have their kids in this country and still name them like foreign like I have a very ethnic name and that is very much part of my experience and my journey it shaped who I am it made things difficult when I was a small kid but at this point it's not
something I would want to change but I think that and like navigating the world in this like yellow body it leaves this like gaping hole this thing I'm trying to fill of wanting to be included of wanting to be accepted of wanting to be long and and I think that's one of the pillars of humanity it's like we're all
looking for that sense of belonging and I think you know my journey into my profession and the career track I've chosen and everything that I've done at this point is all related to that and you said something about you know getting to know people on an individual level on a one-on-one experience when I get to
learn about somebody else's life and their pain and their hope and their love it allows me to feel closer to that sense of belonging it's like we're all actually kind of the same in many ways regardless of all kinds of stuff and it allows me to feel included um you know I entered a field too mental
health is still very predominantly white and you know I find myself in professional spaces where I still feel like the extreme minority which I think is still something that I grapple with it's still something that I'm navigating and still something I'm trying to feel completely comfortable with because
ultimately I can say that I feel comfortable in my skin I feel good that I live authentically but there are still contexts and there are still spaces and there are still times where I don't feel that same confidence in myself and it's something I bring with me I think to my work because I know I look like a certain way
and I know that people are thinking about something as soon as they see me and and that's that's part of the work too and part of my uh personal and professional challenge is always feeling like I have to prove myself and you know the nice thing when I'm in an actual therapy session when it's just me and
this other person a lot of that pressure actually dissipates it's not really there as much because as soon as this other person starts to recognize that they can feel safe because I'm not here to talk about anything that would make them feel othered in this one-on-one interaction I feel accepted by them too
my clients and I think that's what intersectionality is about um even for example you sharing that allows me to feel like you can understand my plight a little bit more because it's also one thing that I've noticed because there are individuals that may look like us that also don't have that awareness
either right um and growing up in Jamaica I was really fortunate to be able to grow up and see black billionaires to see doctors that look like me to have teachers both male and female that looks like me and when I went to Morehouse I was very fortunate to have that continue but I will let you know that since
leaving Morehouse almost every instructor that I've had every teacher that I've had in my master's program I did not have one black instructor directly teach me I had to go out and find in the department right and one of the things that really grounded me was actually knowing that I know that it's
possible um and I think that's also like a double-edged sword because knowing what's possible and then being in a space where it's not visibly seen it then frustrates you because it's like why isn't it happening but the reality is that if we can be intentional and creative and mindful in not just our art
but the way that we live the impact that we'll have is so much longer lasting that we can literally shape the way people are going to experience the world well I mean hearing from you today I mean I feel very uh inspired by your commitment to the work that is so important to your heart not just to your
heart which is so important to the world right like this is work that I think we all believe is valuable and needed and critical it's not even you know it's not a it's not a luxury there's a this is just a necessity for what we need is humankind but what I find very indicative is that the work that you've been able to do with your family
through the amazing experiences that you've had thanks to your family through the work that you have done in therapy has given you the ability to now go out and want to share this message with the world like that's that's what at least what I mix and you can totally agree disagree but that that's what I'm
perceiving in someone like you where you've been through your pain you've been through challenges of course we're always going through pain and challenges but you're someone who's created a toolkit for yourself whether it's the tools that you develop through therapy or you know and so now you're in a
position of strength and empowerment in wanting to go and be this light that we were discussing and dealing with the pressure of being that light but that's some of the work that so many people are trying to do right now is even feeling like I think I think we all know that it's hard to be the light when
all you've seen is Darkness and we know we don't want people to prematurely try and be the light and at the same time we also know that ultimately when you've walked out of your own Darkness it's great to turn the light on for others right so much of what therapy is doing is helping us make sense of our emotional and mental self
in order to figure out what we want to do in the outside world and it sounds like that's work that you've been doing and continue to do which is giving you a sense of strength to try and help others right now and I think we as human beings have the capacity to develop that unlimited toolkit but it's
not until we have great teachers and collaborators um access to information access to basic human needs that we can stop thinking of survival and we can then start to thrive and so I have to give thanks for the blessings that I have thank you so much Ilona thank you hey so did you have any final
words or remarks for us for today that you wanted to share um wish I had something Super Wise my relation to that is is that's part of what I think I aim to have my clients strive for in therapy is integration of separate pieces of self integration of you know all these different components
those are all very important things that I I think about in conceptualizing a client case also really integrating all these things that may feel disconnected or disjointed is what allows you to continue to be authentic and and move through the world as somebody that you feel really comfortable being somebody that you want
to be around thank you so much for sharing that everyone has been listening and watching at home I hope today's episode has been uh enlightening in so many different ways in not only the process of therapy which is what we started with but in helping each and every one of us recognize more coherently
the amount of work that we need to do as individuals uh and as a society I think that's ultimately what I always take away in these conversations is just how much progress we need to make individually and collectively and I think anyone who's listening to on purpose is dedicated to that believe that everyone is dedicated
to their personal growth and the growth of the society around them and when we recognize that those two things are not disconnected that they're actually one and the same I often say to people if we care about ourselves then we care about our kids that's obvious and then when you care
about your kids you care about your kids school and then when you care about your kids school you care about your kids town and when you care about your kids town you care about your kid's City and then when you care about your kids City you you can't if you care then your care doesn't stop and I think when we take a
moment to invest in our own selves and our self-care and then expand that radius out uh we can create a better Society for all so thank you so much everyone has been listening and watching today uh thank you to ulada Sam for joining us opening your heart opening your mind uh Jesus thank you so much for
always guiding us and helping us navigate these wonderful conversations uh and to everyone who's been listening and watching at home thank you so much for tuning in I will see you again on another episode of on purpose this episode was sponsored by better help big thanks again to jesujo head of clinical
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