Dr Michael Donnino is the founder/director of the Psychophysiologic Research Group, and the first person in the country to complete a residency/fellowship program leading to board certification in internal medicine, emergency medicine, and critical care. Liz Wallenstein is a licensed mental health counselor who has trained in, among other areas, the methodology of ‘TMS Mind Body-Connection’. Liz and Dr Michael join the show to discuss the profound influence of Dr John Sarno on their lives, and the potentially transformational power of ‘Mind-Body’ therapies. Important Links: - [The Mind-Body Group](https://www.mindbodygroup.net/) - [Michael’s Twitter](https://twitter.com/mdonnino?s=21&t=UksOB4xRlZEEcoRQg6OcOQ) - [Liz’s Website](https://lizwallensteintherapy.com) - [Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection](https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection/dp/0446557684) Show Notes: 00:00:00 - Start [00:01:27] - Podcast Intro [00:08:35] - Guest Intro [00:16:59] - Introductions to Dr. Sarno [00:27:46] - The relationship between our emotional and physical reactions [00:34:42] - Reasons to be hopeful [00:41:29] - Emotions and conditioning [00:46:57] - A response to the sceptics [00:53:38] - The societal costs of chronic pain [00:56:34] - Mental health: moving beyond diagnostic labels [01:07:13] - What does the medical community think of mind-body syndrome? [01:15:53] - The future of mind-body treatments [01:19:18] - The importance of sincerity Books Mentioned: - Your Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma; by Bessel van der Kolk; - Molecules of Emotion: The Science Behind Mind-Body Medicine; by Candace Pert - Healing Back Pain; by John E. Sarno - The Screwtape Letters; by C.S. Lewis - The Status Game: On Human Life and How to Play It; by Will Storr - The Great Pain Deception: Faulty Medical Advice Is Making Us Worse; by Steve Ozanich - Anatomy of an Illness: As Perceived by the Patient; by Norman Cousins